Patsy Gearys slide

Subject: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 12:11 PM

This sounds like the Yellow Rose Of Texas, what do people think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44LU0nt921M

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 12:16 PM

soorry, that is the wrong patsy gearys slide.this is the one hopefullly
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=patsy+gearys+slide+you+tube#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cd310a03,vid:rAeEBFaZ7tE,st:0

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 01:08 PM

Can't get that link to work. The Patsy Geary I know is the Bothy Band version. Works well on a G diatonic harmonica in second position in order to play that flatted note in the A part.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 01:15 PM

The Boys of the Lough used to do a set switching between both tunes pointing out the similarity. I think they called it Colemans Cross.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 01:49 PM

Coleman's Cross was in the same Bothy Band set as Patsy Geary's.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 02:06 PM

Interesting that the tune is mentioned here as a slide, whereas a lot of sources notate it in 6/8 time, cf. the numerous versions on the Session website. I think of it as more slidey than jiggy...

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 03:52 PM

it is a sliabh luchra slide, 12/8, it is not a jig, in this area slides are danced a lot, and this tune is relatively local, the session is not always correct although it is a useful resource

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 05:17 PM

It's not a Sliabh Luachra tune. Patsy Geary was a Clare musician.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 05:33 PM

obviously the version i hear,and am referring to is originally American, as the first part is the yellow rose of texas played in 12/8.
Slides were from the sliabh luachra area as were polkas in 2/4,
QUOTE
What is a slide in Irish music?
Slides, 12/8

Another tune type associated with the Sliabh Luachra area, slides are our first quadruple meter tune type. They are felt in 4, and often played faster than 6/8 jigs. The accent falls on beats 1 and 3, again to move the tune forward.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 05:41 PM

there is another slide called the jenny and this is an adaptation of the jenny lind polka a 4/4,tune jenny lind was swedish [akathe swedish nightingale] but that does not make the polka or the slide version swedish
Jenny Lind
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Jenny_Lind
jenny lind opera singer from en.wikipedia.org
Johanna Maria Lind (Madame Goldschmidt) (6 October 1820 – 2 November 1887) was a Swedish opera singer, often called the "Swedish Nightingale]
music travels and evolves, but just because it has a name of a person that is swedish or in Patsy Gearys case[ClarE] it does not make the style swedish or clare

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 05:41 PM

12/8 tunes were not limited to Sliabh Luachra.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 05:48 PM

PATSY was from Tipperary, not clare
12 8 tunes are ASSOCIATED WITH Sliabh Luachra area
Sliabh Luachra (Irish pronunciation: [?l??i?w 'l??u?x???]), sometimes anglicised Slieve Logher, is an upland region in Munster, Ireland. It is on the borders of counties Cork, Kerry and Limerick, and bounded to the south by the River Blackwater. It includes the Mullaghareirk Mountains.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 05:54 PM

would you agree that highlands are associated with Donegal, are you going to say they are associated with cape clear?

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 05:56 PM

Ffs. He may have been born in Tipp,after he got married he lived in Cloughansavaun near Ross. He spent most of his (musical) life in South West Clare as well as travelling. His music, through John Kelly,bi's associated with West Clare.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 06:04 PM

I was born in England, I have spent half my life in ireland that does not make me irish,I believe you too were not born in Ireland, is that correct
A highland is an Irish musical form in duple meter, largely idiomatic of County Donegal. Like the fling, it is related to the Scottish highland fling and the hornpipe, found throughout the British Isles. Like its Scottish cousin, a fling is played in cut time and has a dotted rhythm.
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His music, through John Kelly,bi's associated with West Clare. that does not make the slide which has the first part of an american tune, and which is a type of tune idiomatic of of Sliabh Luachra area, a CLARE TUNE

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 06:14 PM

Patsy Geary’s slide

Also known as Celtic Rose Of Texas, The First Cousin Of The Gallant Tipperary Boys, John Kelly’s, Micin Callaghan’s, Mickey Callaghan’s, Mickey O’ Callaghan’s, Mickey O’Callaghan’s, Mickey O’Callaghen’s, Micky Callaghan’s, Patsy Geary’s, The Rose Of Tralee, The Tidy Girleen, The Yellow Rose Of Texas.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Mar 25 - 09:39 PM

Give it up, Peter. You know it makes sense!

As for one's come-froms, I was told here in Cornwall (despite the fact that I've been here for 38 years) that incomers have to have been in the churchyard for twenty years before they're accepted...

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,jim bainbridge
Date: 24 Mar 25 - 06:42 AM

God Save the King makes an excellent slide, with a bit of imagination & variation- I first heard Patsy Geary's slide from the Rakes of Gravesend many years ago.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 24 Mar 25 - 09:10 AM

I know Steve, grand parents in the local cemetery is the going rate here. But show me a reference for Patsy Geary the fiddle player that is not in the context of Clare music..

Anyway, slides are tricky. Recently I heard a slide version of Merrily kiss the quaker, not the usual Planxty one but one Johnny Leary often played. There was a exchange between the player (Noel Hill) and Aine O'Connell, who maintained it wasn't a proper slide. Whatever the way, it is a nice tune, I prefer it to the usual one, for now at least.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 25 - 03:58 AM

calling it the Celtic Rose of Texas gets over the problem. on the subject of whether something is proper or not as long as the dancers are happy to dance to the player its got to be proper.
an improper slide is when you are dancing with a woman and your hands go wandering

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 25 Mar 25 - 10:08 AM

Ah, I see, the opinion of an accomplished Sliabh Luachra musician about the nature o9f a tune   is irrelevant as long as the dancers don't care about it?

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 25 - 04:38 PM

Merrily Kiss the Quaker is not a very good slide to dance to,
Denis Murphys is better, The Celtic rose of Texas is a good dance, to dance a slide to.
I have played a lot for dancing, and how you play is important, ,however some tunes are better than others to dance to, without a doubt. The Geese in the bog is imo a good dancing jig.
IMO Merrily Kiss the Quaker is better to jig to, than as a slide, it is to do with how it is notated.
The dancers soon let you know when a tune is not suitable for dancing, slides have to have a second part that is good for the slide feel.

Sandman

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 25 Mar 25 - 05:32 PM

As I said, it was a very different version of the Quaker. So you are in an apples and oranges argument there.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 25 Mar 25 - 05:55 PM

And fwiw, I just checked if the tune was included in Terry Moylan's collection of Johnny Leary's music. It is, not note for note as I recently heard, and learned it.

The comment in the second edition of Terry's book states Johnny Leary played this, and a number of other tunes, at the request of Connie Ryan during a visit of Ryan's group and Brook's academy, so he (Ryan) could use it teaching the slide in his dancing classes.I think that would be enough to confirm its dancing credentials

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 25 - 09:22 PM

I had a good look this evening at Patsy Geary's and The Yellow Rose Of Texas, with my missus listening along. Blow me down, I've known that song since I was a little tyke and I've played that tune for decades, and, until this thread, I've never noticed the connection. How can it be!

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,The Sandman
Date: 26 Mar 25 - 02:32 AM

the version i am referring to is not the sliabh luachra one, it is not a good dancing slide, imo.
I am in a discussion not an argument

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 25 - 03:02 AM

You are always in an argument,dick. It's your default approach.

Subject: RE: Patsy Gearys slide
From: GUEST,The Sandman
Date: 26 Mar 25 - 03:53 AM

Can we get back to discussing the similarity between The Yellow Rose of Texas and this particular slide.