Folkies supporting IRA

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 04:43 PM

that s true Paul thats so true , but never a less it was a message
the Icelanders to watch out , we had our cutting gear and they had their
guns and big boats

Hey paul did see the statue they put up in Hull ?

All the best Skarpi Iceland

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 04:50 PM

I dont believe there was any way that the Navy would have FIRED on your Gunboats, Skarpi, that just wouldnt have been acceptable.

Yes, have seen it...its a shame that the statue is all thats left of the fishing industry!

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 04:57 PM

Paul thats true its a shame even today in Iceland the fishing
is just a small income of this nation most of the fish goes with flights to another countrys and never stopped here in Iceland .

less and less people wants to work in this work.

no it wouldnt Paul but thay crashed one of our gunboat and one
man died ....... I remember that crash it was taken up on a tape
and they showed it in a TV I cant remember if the man died in the
crash or after the crash ...

All the Best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Alison
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 05:01 PM

Guest, you said "Skarpi and Alision I went to that site read their guestbook nothing much about Ireland mostly sex chat."

Loyalists from that Website FAIR have been recently defeated and they are angry about this, so they have lowered themselves and done thay by resulting to accused others of making comments about sex in their guestbook, which they have only made these comments themselves. They can't answer anyone's questions, if these questions do not support Loyalist's views. The Dan Darragh's were trying to have a political debate about Irish issues. The point of these arguments is to point out to people in the world that the Website FAIR is not a genuing site about victims at all. There maybe are real Loyalist and Unionist victims attached to this Website FAIR, but it is sad that they are being used in that way. There should be a Website about all victims from all sides of the fence here and it shoud be about helping them to come to terms with their losses. I am not on any side of the fence, but this Website FAIR is all anti IRA and this just brings hatred to Northern Ireland not peace at all. Kind Regards.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 05:03 PM

Yes, its strange, but the only fish that comes into Hull now is from Icelandic vessels, I think.

As to the one unfortunate man who died, I THINK he was a welder, working on one of your boats, & the Navy ship warned your vessel that it was starting its engines & moving off. The water from the British ship went over the Icelandic vessel, & because the welder was using an electric arc welding torch, he was electrocuted & died.

But, its a long time ago now, & I may be wrong, but I thought that was what happened.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 05:11 PM

You are right Paul I just checked it in a book witch I have he was a welder ....


All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Guest ..An Irishman
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 05:11 PM

Quote.....The majority of the whole of Ireland want unificaction


Firstly it would be a landslide no fekin two ways about it.

Secondly nobody gives a feck anymore the battles won.

Sing your songs let never it be forgotten.Never let outsiders silence you.You know they dont hear the music like you do let it lift your hearts and f..k em.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 05:22 PM

Thanks for checking Skarpi

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Alison
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 05:52 PM

An Irishman hi, I have read this year in that the majority of the British public are more in favour of an United Ireland with an Irish Rule according to various polls (sources available at the guardian.co.uk). With 40%+ of the population of Northern Ireland in favour of an United Ireland. I thought you might be interested.
kind Regards.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,An Irishman
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 07:02 PM

Quote..[An Irishman hi, I have read this year in that the majority of the British public are more in favour of an United Ireland with an Irish Rule according to various polls (sources available at the guardian.co.uk)]

Glad to hear it how they think or poll is neither here nor there anyhow but nice to know.

Quote..[With 40%+ of the population of Northern Ireland in favour of an United Ireland. I thought you might be interested.]

Not interested no, how the Irish nation would vote definetly interested.

Sounds like we agree anyhow in a fashion lets leave it at that.

Kind regards also.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 07:24 PM

I would have thought you would be VERY interested to hear it?

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 07:30 PM

Isn't Bob Williamson "Kippers for tea" from Hull ?

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 07:37 PM

Didnt know, so I Googled it...(well, Yahoo'ed it actually) & apparently he's a Mancunian...ah, BOLTON

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 07:40 PM

Sorry ! Always thought he was from Hull,
he sang about the Iceland/Britain Cod War.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 07:42 PM

Ah right...dont know THAT one either...I'll keep on with this search, might find some good material!

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Colin Poyntzpass
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 08:30 PM

Alison we had to remove your log from the guestbook as it seemed to favour republicans. Our site is attempting to honour those killed in the troubles. We are Christains and spread the word of God and give a broad understanding to all faiths. We don't need the type this of material. Colin F.A.I.R.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Colin Poyntzpass
Date: 06 Aug 06 - 08:34 PM

Sorry spelling error, Christians.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: skarpi
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 06:25 AM

Our site is attempting to honour those killed in the troubles. We are Christains and spread the word of God and give a broad understanding to all faiths. We don't need the type this of material. Colin F.A.I.R.????


And its okai to talk about gay sex on this webside ?????

Sorry maid this is not the way to honour those who got killed .


All the best SkarpiIceland,.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Alison
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 01:19 PM

Colin, go back to your Website FAIR. I told the Website FAIR that I was not on any side of the fence, but your Website is so one-sided and this does not help all victims does it?

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Alison
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 03:57 PM

Colin, On the Website FAIR in the Guestbook, I have been accused, from your side of the fence, of being a republican and a member of Sinn Fein offering sex to Ulster men to get them to change themselves to be republicans, which you know is all lies. Of cause I am offened, but I am not a hostile person. Being hostile does not help any situation here in Northern Ireland, there is no point in being hostile at all, as it serves not purpose either. There is enough hatred in Ireland as it is. I found that Republican people can answer my questions without any hatred to either side of the fence here and they don't block me out of their Guestbooks either for asking a simple question. They encourage a healthy debate on Irish issues. I was trying to learn about Ireland and I came across your Website FAIR. I thought your Website FAIR was genuing, but I found it to be one-sided. So I asked why it was so one-sided and why is it not anti Unionist and anti Loyalist as well as anti IRA? Also I found on the Website FAIR the ten volunteers were disrespected too, which this would have been hurtful to their families. Their families are victims too. I am not a political person, but there are real victims on the other side of the fence to you. The conflicts in Northern Ireland has hurt many families on both sides. I understand that your side has suffered due to the IRA, but others have suffered from Loyalists and Unionists. I would like to see you all at peace, but angering the other side to you does not bring peace at all and it is the victims that continue to suffered. Yes, the IRA have done this and that, but so has the Loyalists and Unionists too. I would like to see an end to sectarain violence in Ireland, maybe one day all of you will live together in peace, which I hope can be acheived!

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 04:17 PM

Alison, Really I would stay away from these guys, they are not connected to mainstream groups, just fools and it sounds they are getting some form of a kick. I told you before I am more than glad to help you with any questions you may have. If Colin wants a debate he can call on me.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Alison
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 05:47 PM

Divis, I have stayed a way from these guys, but as you can see they have contacted me. Thank you again for your concern here.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 06:02 PM

Colin, Any questions I am only to glad to answer. Alison has only asked questions or made comments in a polite and civil manner and it's only right she should receive a civil answer.
Thank you

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 03:53 AM

Sweeney,
Can you not recommend a Republican site where they do not take kindly to questioning sympathetic to the other side, so that Alison can have some balance.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 04:06 AM

Don't know any such sites Keith.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Paul Burke
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 05:02 AM

Colin Poyntzpass wrote: "We are Christains and spread the word of God and give a broad understanding to all faiths."

Well if that's Christianity, stuff it. The site is a vile heap of sectarian propoganda. If you think it's balanced, it's yourself that is unbalanced.

Now go away and create a site that commemorates ALL the victims, and I might think otherwise.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 06:30 AM

No one has the monopoly on suffering. There are victims everywhere over here. Yes I may honour dead Provisionals, but police and army and the man in the street mourn their losses to and should be allowed to.

If there was a site saying only the families of dead IRA should be honoured I would avoid it.

Many remarks here in the past have been anything but balanced.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 06:39 AM

I do agree Sweeney and Paul.
Alison seems a little obsessed with that website, which is not likely to be of any interest to anyone here.
No doubt she is right that it is one sided and full of prejudice.
Alison, Sweeney's advice to leave that site is probably wise.
Try some Republican sites. See if they are better or worse.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 06:54 AM

No doubt there are sites that rattle on about only Republicans suffered. Everyone suffered. No mother sent her son out to shoot a soldier or policeman. No mother asked her son to shoot the Irish when they joined the army. They are victims too.

These sites don't debate anything, they provide a service for a minority, Christ I listened to enough of them in the street on both sides without visiting their sites !

I think they insulted Alison that's the problem. Her skin not as thick as Keith's or mine !

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Big Mick
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:46 AM

Important point there, Divis.

I was at a party once that included many of my fellow Hibernians. This one fella was ranting on and on about "we shot down a helicopter" and talking about "we got a Brit soldier". Mind you he was sitting nicely on a deck in Michigan, safely stuffing his face with bbq chicken, and had never seen armed conflict anywhere but in his fucking fantasies. I got overwhelmed by my anger at his ignorance, (and maybe a bit of stout) and grabbed him by the throat. I asked him what the hell he knew about killing a man??? I was screaming at him, and wanting to know if he realized those "Brits" had sisters, brothers, Mothers, and Fathers. My politics are unequivocal on this matter, but I tire of those that demonize the other side for the sole purpose of making killing them justifiable. After my own experiences I decided that no one would be allowed to do that anymore. It made me challenge my own views with a much more critical set of criteria. There is no doubt that I am a very strong Republican supporter. I have spent my life advocating from this side for that. But such ignorance about the tragedy of young men going into perilous and deadly circumstances at the behest of old men, and why they do it, must not be tolerated. It makes violence and death easy and that must be stopped.

I believe that the peace is finally well on its way. I believe the end is near and it means that all of the Irish of the North of Ireland will live in one country. All sides have suffered through this time, and to deny that would only prolong the agony of a people. It will only delay the peace that the children of the North of Ireland so richly deserve. Up the Republic.

Mick

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:04 AM

All the best Mick.
keith.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:38 AM

Valid point Mick, heard these guys sounding off with a drop of the juice in them probably a lot more than you. They give me the shits. Laughed there when I read about him boasting about the helicopter, the PIRA never dropped one ! heard an asshole tell a similar story. To be honest Mick as your probably very well aware, the guys in the thick of it rarely speak about it. I have many very close friends who served long sentences and I can't remember the last time we had a political conversation, let along them boasting, which none ever did.

I saw a soldier shot, guy about 18. took a long time to die, called out for his mother the whole time. Saw young men I went to school with lying in coffins shot dead by British soldiers and closer to home in my own family. It is all terrible. When someone is killed in this way a lot more than them die, I watched mothers and fathers die a little each day because their will to live was lost.

Many rarely see this side of it, 26 years working in a hospital does kind of harden you a little. I know I get the crap knocked out of me here sometimes as if I came on to defend murder, I don't. I understood our cause and accepted in any campaign there will be losses on both sides, but I can never accept a legal government force calling us murders when their's in justified because laws protect them. I always tell everyone, the difference is, the so called terrorists are the ones with the small bombs !

We are well away from those days now, if only we can get the extreme loyalist political parties to accept this we can begin to build a country and let the people speak. Sinn Fein has never had a stronger voice, I never thought I would see the day the S.D.LP. got whitewashed by them in an election.

Now I do support Sinn Fein but have a few issues with them like many have with their own political parties.

My hope and wish for the future Mick is simple. Peace, no more killing and unity of the land I love.

Divis.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Big Mick
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:53 AM

Thank you, Keith. I sincerely wish the same to you.

Agreed, Divis, with the point about they who get to write the laws, get to name the other. There is nothing but tragedy in armed conflict. It is why the followers are so much more important than the leaders. We must choose wisely who we follow. We must always be examining our reasons for fighting, killing, and dying. It is the only way we can stay true to ideals, and not be used by for the ulterior motives of others.

Mick

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 10:29 AM

Very well put, both Divis and Mick. I wish more people could see it that way. I must admit that I do get annoyed when people, whoever they are, are demonised by their 'enemies'. I have said over and over that the English and Irish people are not enemies. It is those faceless ones who pull the strings that have a lot to answer for. Perhaps this is a good time to ask ALL parties to stop it? Maybe we can make a start here on Mudcat that will show the rest of the world the way? I know, I know, idealistic but we can all dream...:-)

Maybe if the English stop posting about IRA 'terrorists' blowing up innocent civilians? Maybe if the Irish stop posting how the 'bastard brits' murdered their way through Belfast? Maybe we can help, in some small way, to show that we are all folk and, back to the subject, united in music?

All the best and good luck to those who want to join me!

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 10:37 AM

I will continue to challenge that which I think is wrong.
But I will not be starting anything.
Keith.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 10:54 AM

Excellent post as always Dave.
This is what I meant about Big Mick and I seeing it first hand.
I could not agree more. Sadly you just got the answer I see.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: GUEST,Alison
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 11:27 AM

Divis, I think that Colin would not debate with you because you support the republicans and PIRA. Colin would see you as the enemy as he would only debate with the Loyalist's side of the fence. I am not obsessed with the Website FAIR Keith, I just wanted to world to know the truth about it. They have been saying lies about me, which was not nice at all. I do admit that I do find republicains more fair and reasonable to talk with than Loyalist people. Yes, some Irish people have been hostile towards me with their words, but this is because they have been hurt by the British during the conflicts and are not ready to adjust to peace.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 11:35 AM

Well - Not starting anything is part way to stopping it:-)

Thanks Keith - I know you mean it and hopefuly when we get the inevitable troll, from either side, perhaps we can help each other to stop it!

Thanks Divis - I think more people understand how it feels now. I always knew, to a certain extent, what predjudice on religious and racial grounds meant. My surname when I was born was Polakow and my Grandfather was a Russian Orthodox priest. I know you must know how that must have been in a small town English Catholic primary school. I was lucky though. We only had to change our name and religion. At least no-one shot at me! Perhaps everyone needs a good dose of being on the other side of the fence occasionaly?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 11:52 AM

I forgot to relate a tale that happened to me some years back. We were stopping in Finugue, just outside Listowel and the birthplace of Sean McCarthy. We were lucky enough to be there during a McCarthy celebration and I was priveleged enough to meet his wife who remained in Finugue after Seans death.

Anyhow, during the festivities which were excelent there were many Republican ballads sung and I laughed as much as the rest when an old chap releted a story about the priest not forgiving one of the boys because he shot a 'tan - Missing the other two! Fantastic atmosphere all night and it was, believe it or not, a 'dry' venue. Although I did notice a few popping across to the pub occasionaly:-)

A couple of nights later I popped into town and saw a band performing in one of the bars. Not too good musicaly but keen and again a few republican songs were sung. I never once felt threatened or intimidated by them. Later that night though the Listowel branch of the Chelsea supporters club came in to drown their sorrows after having lost to Manchester United. Now that was scary.

Guess what? When asked I lied about coming from Manchester:-D

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 12:02 PM

Again wise words from a man I have come to admire greatly on this site. Thanks Dave.

There is a very simple answer to guest posts ignore them. I am fully aware that there are people out there who knows my style and arrive to stir the shit with other members , result I get the blame, not that either getting blamed on guest posting or abuse from members annoys me in anyway.

I don't walk away from a fight and yes I have and will continue to defend what was the Provisional IRA who are now disbanded and pose no threat.

The big difference here in any thread is I accept the PIRA carried out deeds which they have now apologised for. It will never be enough for Keith. His British army are yet to do the same.

If in the future I leave an Irish thread, it's not because I can't deal with Keith's questions, it's because he sits answering bloody guests who are taking the piss out of him and he can't see it.

A sad reflection is it used to be me answering several British members here, now it's usually only Keith. Tends to say something for the level of debate.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 01:50 PM

A few things I would like to challenge already, but I will let it pass this time.
Keith.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Aug 06 - 08:38 PM

Yes nvkqbc blvpty
I could not agree more. Well said.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 03:49 AM

thats it Keith, keep up the all bran....you know it makes sense.

God I'm slow....

I just realised why they wanted captain Kirk for that campaign...

Shatner...

Shat....it all makes sense....... subliminal messages.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 03:58 AM

shitmore with shatner

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 04:15 AM

Morning Al
It's nice to get a load of your mind.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 05:42 AM

What did I miss?

DtG

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 07:23 AM

Dave, you missed the start of a sort of truce, broken straight away by Sweeney determined to put the boot in one last time.
I chose not to rise to it (or sink to it).
keith.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 07:38 AM

never mind, you passed the boot.

ships log
stardate 11/8/06

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 07:45 AM

Passed and flushed.

Subject: RE: Folkies supporting IRA
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Aug 06 - 07:50 AM

I still don't know what nvkqbc blvpty is or what prompted that post!