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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 13 May 09 - 05:14 AM Lizzie, if you mean for example I think you troll. I'm, happy to stick with that opinion. I don't see what it has to do with my and other's abilty to find common musical ground in a pub though. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Will Fly Date: 13 May 09 - 05:17 AM At the risk of being repetitive (Lizzie, if by chance you're reading the thread), I haven't seen or spoken to or corresponded with Ian for over 40 years. I'm just conscious of what he's achieved - whether those achievements are good or bad is in the eye of the beholder. Quite simply, to use personal criticism of his own music as a way of criticising his publication (which was what Dick did in his post, from personal motives) is not an approach of any value. It's a small point, granted, but an important one. Is that clear enough? The thread is about the content and coverage and relevance of fRoots magazine. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Vic Smith Date: 13 May 09 - 05:22 AM The next issue of fRoots - June 2009 No. 311 - will see the magazine celebrating 30 years of continuous publication during which time it has been edited by the same person leading a small dedicated team. It has never failed to meet its deadlines and been a source of inspiration and information to thousands of people all over the world. In the current recession where many independent British magazines have already gone to the wall, it will be a minor miracle if it survives at all with the way that things are going in terms of the cuts in advertisers' budgets . If fRoots does fail - and I don't know but I would imagine that it is hanging on by its fingernails at the the moment, then Britain will have lost one of its finest independent magazines of any nature along with one of the folk scene's best sources of support and sponsorship. In 2006, when I was setting up and tour managing the long Britain-wide Shirley Collins "America Over The Water" tour, I tentatively approached Ian Anderson for a reduction in the cost of advertising space for the tour. His response was to give us large prominent adverts in several editions for free. We offered him free tickets for the tour's culminating show at London's South Bank. He replied saying he would have loved to have come but that he was so near the deadline that he couldn't spare the evening off. I know that my experience is not unique and that fRoots has sponsored many tours, festivals, events with free advertisments. If any thread were to appear at this time, it should be one that celebrates the manifold achievements of this decades-long beacon of excellence rather than narrow-minded sniping over content that supports particular favourites or repeated mis-information about small-minded disputes. Even, if people don't like the direction that the magazine has moved in, there should be a recognition that half a lifetime has gone into a magazine that has set the standards for what can be acheived in this field. It would be very pleasant, though unlikely, that this thread could be turned into just such a celebration. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Smedley Date: 13 May 09 - 05:23 AM The kind of article you're proposing would be of interest to some, Jack, but those of us unable to strap on a back-pack and get hiking wouldn't really be able to relate to it very well (it would be like looking at someone else's "what I did on my holidays" essay). By concentrating on performers who have recorded music that's (relatively) widely available, the magazine offers its readers a chance to evaluate the writing in the context of music they can actually hear. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,cav Date: 13 May 09 - 05:32 AM If you don't like a magazine don't buy it - I, for example, don't by hundreds of them. If you don't buy a magazine but read it for free and don't like it - don't read it again. If you buy a magazine and have a point to make about its content - write to the editor. But don't shit-stir on an internet forum. It is not difficult. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 13 May 09 - 05:53 AM Just found this thread! What larks! All the usual suspects banging on. I'm with Mr Smith. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Will Fly Date: 13 May 09 - 05:59 AM Ralphie, you imp! Where have you been...? You've not been with that there Surreysinger, by any chance, have you? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: evansakes Date: 13 May 09 - 06:03 AM For goodness sake you lot....can't you give it a rest?! Innuendo, bitterness, resentment, axe-grinding, chips on shoulders, age-old rivalries re-ignited, point scoring, nit-picking, griping, moaning etc Is that REALLY what it's all about? :-( Thoroughly depressing from beginning to end. There's a lot of good music out there....you don't have to like it all. Lots of great venues too....you don't have to go to them all. Plenty of music magazines too....you don't have to read them all. Simples! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Tug the Cox Date: 13 May 09 - 06:10 AM You've got to laugh! ( the alternative doesn't bear serious consideration). TYo quote the Beatles, let it be, let ian run his magazine in his way, let Show of hands enjoy their success, and for the sado-masochistic sub group who seem to get off on venom and vitriol, keep it to yerselves. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Brian Peters Date: 13 May 09 - 06:13 AM I've contributed a number of articles to fROOTS over the years, including pieces on Pete Coe, Chris Coe, Roy Harris, Rod Stradling, John Kirkpatrick and The Devil's Interval (all of which Ian printed with enthusiasm and without editorial intervention), as well as an examination of the British folk club scene which the editor himself commissioned. As far as the British tradition goes, fROOTS has covered the Coppers more than once, Gordon Hall, Fred Jordan, Willie Scott and Sheila Stewart, to name but a few. And it is a very well-produced and professional product despite (I suspect) running on the proverbial shoestring. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Vic Smith Date: 13 May 09 - 06:23 AM Tug the Cox wrote let Show of hands enjoy their success..... They are not just sitting back and enjoying their success, they have come up with a superb list of guidelines for young performers that would emulate them. How did I find out about these guidelines? Well, I read them on a link provided in the fRoots Forum under a thread entitled SOH's business plan for young folk bands You can read them at http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4431. Who was thoughtful enough to post this threas provide this invaluable information? It was someone called Ian Anderson. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: matt milton Date: 13 May 09 - 07:26 AM "he made references to hallucinating,amongst other things In fact,I was not hallucinating" this really did make me laugh out loud. Has anyone hear ever listened to Count Arthur Strong on Radio 4? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 13 May 09 - 08:04 AM "It would be very pleasant, though unlikely, that this thread could be turned into just such a celebration." Yes, it would, wouldn't it...but sadly, Ian's managed to make so many people fume that he's created exactly this kind of thread. He loves doing that, so I'm really not worried about him reading this, it'll send him into orgasmic chuckles, I've no doubt...but that's what fRoots is about, not giving a damn. Ho hum. And er...sorry guys, but much as you can throw as many quotes as you want at me about how incredibly supportive of Show of Hands, Ian has been, many of us are fully aware that the exact opposite was true, until recently. Trust me, you had to have been a poster on the old BBC F&A board to understand this. It was where Diane, Ian and I got into some flaming rows over his attitude to musicians that he deemed not of his world, and Seth's entry to the Mercury Award was put into jeopordy by er....two people who know exactly who they were, one of whom is on this very thread... I have no doubt, as I've said many a time, that had one of the more 'traditional' singers been entered into the Mercury Award, under the exact same circumstances, then none of that would ever have happened, just a mountain of support from those two people concerned. There are some magazine editors who love 'control'...they also love 'control' on their messageboard too, which is why certain messageboards have the same small incestuous group of people all bowing and kowtowing to the Holy Editor. Strangely, I choose not to write on such boards, even though it's real easy to get back on again, despite said Holy Editor almost blowing up half of his posters in an effort to ensure I couldn't get back...which gave me many orgasmic chuckles too! :0) Jon, you were fed a total lie about 'trolls' by fiona, now no longer with us, who started this whole 'troll' business up after I became the focus of her grief, following the death of her father. Ask the Longdogs, they were there when it started to happen. She targeted you, and you fell for it. Up until that time, you and I used to write to one another as friends from time to time, outside the BBC board, as I recall. You chose to stop that and join in with her campaign. That was your freedom of choice, same as it was for all the others who chose to follow. It was only in the latter part of fiona's time on that board, the very latter, that she realised, how she'd made me feel, after Diane and I both, at the same time, asked her to stop stirring things up. Then when Ralph Jordan & Co, started their ganging up, she asked him, on the board, to stop. He chose not to of course. Those posts are still there should you want to look at them, in the 'Dave Gilmour - Living on an Island' thread waaaaaaaaay back. For now though, I'll leave you all to keep pressing the complaints button on the BBC board, every time you hunt me down and think you've found me.. but please bear in mind that it's now in the hands of the Mail on Sunday who hopefully will be looking into exactly what happened on that board, and why it was allowed to continue for so bloody long. And, just ask yourselves why you did it in the first place...because I spoke about more music, more musicians, more radio programmes etc..etc..etc..than most of you put together. Oh...and if John Leonard is out there, I'm still waiting for him to return my phone call. I spoke to Vic, very nice chap, and he told me that John would hopefully get back to me. I'm waiting, same as I've been waiting for YEARS for the BBC Investigations Deptartment to come and investigate. I'll put the kettle on. And nope, Joe, I'm not taking this any further, and if you want to zap this message I fully understand why. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Banjiman Date: 13 May 09 - 08:10 AM This is all getting quite weird. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Spleen Cringe Date: 13 May 09 - 08:24 AM "This is all getting quite weird" Ain't that the truth. And for the record, CONGRATULATIONS to Ian Anderson and all the staff at fRoots for producing an excellent and informative and well written magazine for the last 30 years. Not only that, but you've remained true to your mission. In this era of corporate buyouts and pressure to dumb down and compromise, that really is some acheivement. Cheers! 'Ere's to the next 30! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: SteveMansfield Date: 13 May 09 - 08:45 AM This is all getting quite weird. It's alright, it's just that the transdimensional polarising membrane between Mudcat and Mud-e-ceilidh has broken down again. One of the maintenance crews will be round in a minute or two. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Matthew Edwards Date: 13 May 09 - 08:50 AM I'll second your motion of congratulations to fRoots; I've been a subscriber off and on for some years although I've lapsed from time to time. However this thread has served to remind me just how much the magazine has been a force for the good over the years, and helped me to discover music I didn't know about as well as providing additional insight into singers and musicians I already knew of. If there was a magazine that pandered only to my blinkered prejudices it would be too boring even for me to read! I've renewed my subscription today, but I hope I'll be spared Greg's full frontal on any future covers. This thread is indeed most weird - some of the posts remind me of the poor bus driver who went off the rails - I have no idea what they are driving at. Matthew Edwards |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 13 May 09 - 08:52 AM Sorry Lizzie but I did like Fiona. Think her mistake was trying to be peace maker there. I don't normally make things like this public but we had a lovely reply from her husband when we learned of her death (she was an Annexe contributer who loved gardening). I think your suggestion this time round is one step too far. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Banjiman Date: 13 May 09 - 08:52 AM "It's alright, it's just that the transdimensional polarising membrane between Mudcat and Mud-e-ceilidh has broken down again." That's OK then, I thought it might be me. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Surreysinger Date: 13 May 09 - 08:55 AM Love that one sfmans!! I'll second and third congrats to Ian on managing to keep going for 30 years ... obviously some people DO like what he's doing, and long may he keep doing so. I'm sure that it's extremely hard work, and it must be galling to see some of the uninformed remarks made by some, but not all, contributors to this thread. I'm with Vic and Brian and Nigel on all their comments! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: evansakes Date: 13 May 09 - 09:07 AM "I'll put the kettle on" Can you maybe put a lid on it this time, Lizzie? :-) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Surreysinger Date: 13 May 09 - 09:12 AM Seconded! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 13 May 09 - 09:25 AM Lizzie. Which of the two words "Barking" and "Mad" don't you understand? When you've spent 40 years running a magazine. Then you can criticise. Until then button it. Life a get (re-arrange) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 13 May 09 - 09:32 AM Un-called for, comments, Ralph. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any discussion boards. As someone who incurred Ian's wrath in "another place" over his treatment of Reg Meuross, I'm going to say nothing ecept that, judging by his messages on facebook, he is getting a wee bit peeved. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 13 May 09 - 09:35 AM Lizzie. I've just noticed that you've mentioned me in a previous post. What on earth are you refering to? I haven't a clue. So, please stop it. It's not big and it's not clever. And what's more, I don't care for you or your opinions. Get back to me when you\ve learned how to play a musical instrument, or can actually sing a song in tune. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Borchester Echo Date: 13 May 09 - 09:40 AM There's nothing much more off-topic than Reg Meuross, though he was the performer who, as it goes, complained publicly (in a BBC blog) that some waxing of his wasn't reviewed in fR because of his gender(!). This was not only highly offensive and sexist but entirely missed the point that the release did not fall, by any standards of clarity of definition, into the mag's remit. Some of his work does, some doesn't. Simple as that. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 13 May 09 - 09:53 AM Axes axes axes. Makes me prostrate with dismal . . . |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 13 May 09 - 10:02 AM Ralphie, can you play a Three Round Three too? X: 1 T:Three Around Three C:Trad M:4/4 L:1/8 K:G |:d2BA G2G2|A2BA G2D2|EDEF G2AB|c2B2B2A2| d2BA G2G2|A2BA G2D2|EDEF G2Ac|B2G2G4:| |:d2ef gfed|e2e2efge|d2B2B2AG|FGAB A4| d2ef gfed|e2e2e2d2|ef g2fg a2|g4g4:| Hey diddle up dup. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Chris Foster Date: 13 May 09 - 10:15 AM Well I don't know why I just wasted 1/2 an hour of my precious time ploughing through this lot. Maybe it was because of the bizarre surrealism of a good deal of it. What are some of these people on? No, the reason was because I took the scenic route (sadly much of it not a very nice view) to the end so I could just add my vote of thanks to Ian and his various collaborators over the years, who have kept the magazine coming, on time, well written, well designed and always with something that I'd not come across or thought about before. Of course I don't find every article interesting, but I'm always pleasantly surprised by how a big a percentage of the content I do find interesting and all for the price of a couple of pints of beer. What on earth is there to moan about? I think he and the magazine have done and continue to do a great job. Long may they continue. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,old hippy git Date: 13 May 09 - 10:28 AM My dear old missus buys 'TV Quick' and 'Closer' most weeks; not much folk music mentioned in either of 'em ??? bugger all in fact!!! hmmm.. now maybe for any folks with too much spare time and an axe or two to grind, theres some potential mainstream targets to bombard with constant futile requests and complaints for regular extra specialist Trad Folk Culture coverage..?????? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge Date: 13 May 09 - 10:52 AM I `ad that Faye Roche in my cab the other day and she `ad a copy of that fRoots in `er `and. I said, " Where to Faye?" She said, "Will you take me down to the orchard, Jim, please?" I said, " Sure. You gonna read that article about that Bongo Band in Djibouti while your picking the apples?" She said, with a puzzled frown on `er kisser, "Whadya mean?" I said, "Your little book, it`s all about folk music, ennit?" She said, "That `alf wit newsagent. I asked `im for something on FRUITS!!!" Whaddam I Like?? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Howard Jones Date: 13 May 09 - 11:05 AM I started taking Southern Rag when it was still a local mag, even though I lived outside the area it covered. When it turned into Folk Roots I continued to take it. However over time it came to focus more on Roots music than Folk, as eventually symbolised by its change of name to fRoots. I stopped taking it because it no longer focussed on my interests. I've never quite understood why I should be expected to also enjoy roots music from other countries just because I enjoy British roots music. However the decision to focus on Roots rather than Folk was clearly a good one as the magazine is still going. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 13 May 09 - 11:15 AM everyone's entitled to their opinion "Ralphie" even you. It's turned into one of those days which I was hoping to avoid. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Anne Lister Date: 13 May 09 - 11:18 AM After their recent review of my last album, I won't hear a word against fRoots - what wonderful taste and discrimination they have! A feature would be nice, mind ... Anne |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 13 May 09 - 11:36 AM "My point - perhaps not made clearly enough - was that the thread topic was about the nature of fRoots magazine." Quite right Will. Personally if I hear one more word about "The Dark Lord" and his sidekick on inappropriaate threads, I think I just might do something that'll get me locked away in Broadmoor for the rest of my life. Congrats on 30 Years, fRoots, keep up the good work!! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Leadfingers Date: 13 May 09 - 12:00 PM Lizzie posted "but sadly, Ian's managed to make so many people fume that he's created exactly this kind of thread." That rather confused me as I thought it was Faye who started the thread ! But that seems to be the procedure for a LOT of people round here ! NEVER let the facts get in the way of your argument ! And Congratulations to Ian on Thirty Years of the mag , which i DONT subscribe to , but DO HAT TI Ian every now and then , usually in the Beer tent (NO Lizzie ,NOT Phil) at Towersey . Maybe one day we will have a 'Backwater Juke Band' revival . |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Bemused Guest Date: 13 May 09 - 12:51 PM I've happened on this thread by mistake. I don't know anything about folk music or any of the people posting here. But I did have a nice laugh at greg stephens' posting about the ideal cover - I hope fRoots will call you up for a photo session greg, but please wear appropriately placed cds ;) Captain Birdseye and Lizzie come over as a pair of bitter carping whiners. Wouldn't want to meet either of them on - well, I was going to say a dark night, but let's face it, who would want them to ruin a sunny day either? Yuk |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: NormanD Date: 13 May 09 - 01:25 PM Innuendo, bitterness, resentment, axe-grinding, chips on shoulders, age-old rivalries re-ignited, point scoring, nit-picking, griping, moaning etc was said above. Whenever fRoots gets mentioned, the woodwork creaks and out come the freaks. What an odd and bitter bunch we have here. Please add my name, and a big CONGRATULATIONS to fRoots for thirty successful and entertaining years. I have been a subscriber for many of these years and hope to continue reading it for a lot longer. I am glad it hasn't become part of a wider corporate magazine empire and manages to keep its independent spirit and quirkiness. Well done to Ian A and his team - long may you continue, while all the detractors stir their buckets of bile. Norman PS I am not in the business, as a performer, promoter, writer or anything other than a fan of local music from out there. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 13 May 09 - 01:37 PM So, Faye Roche, since you started this with a cursory read of something that you didn't even glance at the main feature of, or the news pages for example, I'd say the least you could do is pay for that slightly-thumbed copy of their May issue and read it properly. Then come back and either justify your remarks about fRoots never covering new folk performers, or maybe apologising? That would be something novel on Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Tug the Cox Date: 13 May 09 - 01:40 PM Well there we are, freaks first in, fair minded with a late and decisive cavalry charge. Message! Let the readers of the mag decide. If you don't happen to like it, don't buy it. If you have a genuine, specific comment about an item of content that you want to air on this forum, O.K., but that wasn't what we've had. Final result.. Congratulations to Ian and co. If you're still there, you're still needed. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Banjiman Date: 13 May 09 - 01:59 PM All these positive comments about fRoots from people I've never seen on Mudcat before (guess I might have just missed their previous contributions)....... what's going on here then? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Borchester Echo Date: 13 May 09 - 02:16 PM t's a very simple matter to check on how long a "Johhny-Come-Lately" fRoots-positive contributor has been a Nudcat member. Leadfingers: 7 years, me 6, NormanD: 4 and so on. But Banjiman? A mere 2 . . . |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Banjiman Date: 13 May 09 - 02:19 PM Oh, must be my mistake then. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Will Fly Date: 13 May 09 - 02:25 PM I like being a new "Nudcat" member. Shouldn't that be "Nudecat"? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 13 May 09 - 02:25 PM Obviously posters like Brian Peters, Chris Foster and Phil Beer are fakes too. Real people don't have names like that. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 13 May 09 - 02:26 PM "That rather confused me as I thought it was Faye who started the thread !" Now now, :0) You know what I meant...any thread about fRoots always ends up the same.. "All these positive comments about fRoots from people I've never seen on Mudcat before (guess I might have just missed their previous contributions)....... what's going on here then?" Good to see the fRoots team on here though...chuckle! ;0) Moi, bitter? Nope, I'm not bitter about Ian, a little p*ssed off with him over the years, maybe. But he's become a Sethette now so he's got Brownie Points. (naughty giggle) However, I am very p*ssed off with people who want to take freedom of speech away from others, and trust me, until you've had it happen to you, you can't even begin to know how it feels. I choose not to write on Ian's board, so he hasn't taken that away from me..They all use words of more than two syllabubbles on there so most of the time I've not a clue what they ornnn about anyway. Songlines is an excellent magazine! ;0) Teehee, I can see the smoke coming out of his ears now over at fRoots Towers! Any moment now he'll come on here and tell us how he never comes on here and can't be ARSSED to really, but he needed to set the record straight, etc etc etc..(even naughtier giggles) He can't help it, it's 'cos he was born in Weston Super Mare....it's summat to do with the sea going out and out and out and out and never wanting to come back in over the mud...I know, I used to live just up the road...(And yes, to The Pedantic Ones, I know that it's not real 'sea' at Weston, before you all burst a blood vessel in telling me) ;0) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 13 May 09 - 02:52 PM Nurse, the screens . . . the screens . . . |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 13 May 09 - 03:09 PM "t's a very simple matter to check on how long a "Johhny-Come-Lately" fRoots-positive contributor has been a Nudcat member. Leadfingers: 7 years, me 6, NormanD: 4 and so on. But Banjiman? A mere 2 . . . " Yes, but length isn't everything (or so I'm told). |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 13 May 09 - 03:12 PM Nurse resigned, a very long time ago... ;0) From Ralph: "...What on earth are you refering to? I haven't a clue. So, please stop it. It's not big and it's not clever. And what's more, I don't care for you or your opinions..." Here you go The Dave Gilmour thread (with a bit of fRoots thrown in around message 1,053) ;0) Reg Meuross fOlk rOcks! You should have seen him rockin' with Martin Carthy at Sidmouth last year, when they were playing one of Reg's new 'traditional' songs...'The Poacher'. Heck but that man can write great songs! As ever though, fRoots are soooooooo behind, but...now that they've seen the light with Seth and Show of Hands, I know it'll only be a matter of time before they recognise that Reg Meuross is also one of our best singer songwriters on the folk scene too, just as Mike Harding says. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: NormanD Date: 13 May 09 - 03:18 PM Teehee Teehee??!!?? What am I reading? The Dandy?? |
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