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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 13 May 09 - 03:20 PM Apart from now knowing what nasty pieces of work a couple of posters are; what the hell does David Gilmour have to do with this thread? Oh and I've alway preferred the quality of time spent on something rather than the quantity, but these days it seems that it's the bean counter's numbers that are important. The corporate mentality I suppose. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Banjiman Date: 13 May 09 - 03:28 PM Calm down, I only asked a question. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 13 May 09 - 03:38 PM "Teehee??!!?? What am I reading? The Dandy?? " I do apologise....said in very serious voice. I'd forgotten how terribly serious the English folk world is. I dared to start enjoying myself. I'll write a thousand lines immediately, to ensure this doesn't happen again. I must not laugh I must not.. I must.. Dave Gilmour? I think Ian did a double page whatsit on him once.. (splutter) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: NormanD Date: 13 May 09 - 03:53 PM Nah, I think that Korky The Kat is a lot funnier than quite a few of the spiteful posts above. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 13 May 09 - 04:19 PM Nor is it much like The Bash Street Kids Eric wouldn't be impressed |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Jack Campin Date: 13 May 09 - 04:22 PM Faye's original post contained a substantive point which hasn't really been a addressed at all. She saw a need for some sort of house organ for the British folk club scene. fRoots has never seen that as part of its remit, and I'd agree that if they have other things they'd rather do, that's their privilege. I'm not sure that doing it on paper these days is the way to go, but a lot of the effort would be the same whether it were a print publication or a website. Either way it would need some sort of well-defined federation committed to sharing information. Against: in several years of trying, nobody's managed to get together a Britain-wide listings resource for the folk club and session scene that actually works, let alone something with the added editorial content Faye was after. Pro: it has worked in some related genres. "British Bluegrass News" does a good job for that area, albeit it's not published frequently, and "Box and Fiddle" covers the mostly-Scottish accordion-&-fiddle-club scene with a glossy monthly. "Living Tradition" might be better able to take that on but I'm not too sure what their editorial priorities are at the moment, beyond simply surviving. Maybe Faye could come back and rephrase the question, leaving fRoots out of it. How does she think what she's after could be realized? Who would do it, and what resources (for information, labour and money) could they call on? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 13 May 09 - 04:41 PM apart of special editions the American roots publication No Depression is now wholly on the internet |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 13 May 09 - 04:42 PM ;I'm not sure that doing it on paper these days is the way to go, but a lot of the effort would be the same whether it were a print publication or a website. Either way it would need some sort of well-defined federation committed to sharing information.; many newspapers are closing in the states,because people are reading news online.,its possible that national folk magazines in paper form may be on the way out soon. Musical Traditions, has the right idea,folk magazines online,saves paper and cutting down trees too. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Tug the Cox Date: 13 May 09 - 05:43 PM Doesn't anyone read 'English Dance and Song'any more? It covers just about everything people ae demanding above. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 13 May 09 - 06:19 PM Gael Linn CEF DVD 189; 2006
This review by James O'Donnell was written for fRoots magazine – www.frootsmag.org. Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious - PM Date: 12 May 09 - 07:45 PM the Froots editor got very angry with me for daring to send in a post criticising a review ,accused me publicly of hallucinating,and other similiar remarks. Were you not accused of hallucinating because you had claimed a review appeared in Froots when in fact it had been on some obscure web site and not in Froots, and you kept insisting it had even when presented with the evidence? It has already been pointed out above that you were only asked "what are you on?" after a posting full of impenetrable gobbledegook. Since then you have repeatedly made malicious remarks on here that Ian Anderson had accused you of being on drugs! If apologies are needed, surely they are from you? FOLKNACIOUS,in answer to your question this is the review,it clearly states,this review was written by James O Donnell for froots. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Spleen Cringe Date: 13 May 09 - 06:24 PM I read it! And fRoots. And The Wire. And Mojo. Am I sad or what? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Spleen Cringe Date: 13 May 09 - 06:48 PM Above was in response to Tug... |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Jack Campin Date: 13 May 09 - 08:00 PM Dick: you got your facts wrong by not checking on the fRoots site itself for a review originally posted there. If you are going to post such an abrasive response, you have to check the primary source to make damn sure you are attacking the right person for something they actually wrote. You couldn't be bothered. You owed Ian an apology right there, and more so with every subsequent post that dug yourself ever deeper in a hole shovelling self-righteousness over everybody in sight. If Ian said your communication style was that of a drug-addled hippie with hash-induced Alzheimer's, you asked for it. (I forget what he actually did say - ecept that he was more polite than that - and have no interest in seeing you attempt to quote it back at us). By now you have created such a preposterous amount of bad feeling over something that was your mistake in the first place that you don't just owe Ian an apology, you owe one to ALL of us for wasting our time. Now shut up about it. And learn to edit your posts in such a way that quotations are identifiable. Sensible punctuation would help, too. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Bemused guest Date: 13 May 09 - 08:05 PM Wow, you lot are a bunch of Jack Russells, will keep my ankles well-covered if I go to any of those small run-down folk clubs to see unheard of up-and-coming but not necessarily cute English folk musicians |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 13 May 09 - 11:54 PM I never accused Ian of writing the review,I criticised his magazine for publishing it. I owe no one an apology,every person has a right to write about a review to the editor of any magazine /newspaper. I received an apology from James O Driscoll,who at least has a semblance of manners. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 14 May 09 - 12:23 AM this review quite clearly states[and still did so last night]that it first appeared in Froots. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 14 May 09 - 03:23 AM "a drug-addled hippie with hash-induced Alzheimer's" Is this a competition to get the most totally offensive allusions into one phrase? You've won! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 14 May 09 - 04:41 AM This review by James O'Donnell was written for fRoots magazine – www.frootsmag.org. That's not Froots' web site URL, and although I'm a regular reader I don't recognise that reviewer name among those that appear in the magazine. Hallucinating or hoodwinked, who cares? You are pursuing a deranged, obsessive vendetta against somebody who didn't write this review, regardless of where it appeared. Interestingly, I just checked the Froots on-line reviews index and I see 5 albums by Dick Miles were reviewed in early issues, way back before I have copies. Would somebody out there like to check to see what they said and who wrote them? Then maybe we can really get to the bottom of what festering sore this loopy campaign is all about. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Banjiman Date: 14 May 09 - 05:02 AM "a drug-addled hippie with hash-induced Alzheimer's" Dick, I know some people who would take that as a compliment! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Squiggle Date: 14 May 09 - 05:02 AM Yes Dick - but what you're failing to grasp is that the website might say it was written for fRoots, but the editor of the magazine (a more reliable source) says they never printed it and he'd never seen it till you pointed the website out to him. You were (and still are) attacking the magazine for publishing something that they never published. As people have said above - axes to grind. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Judy Dyble Date: 14 May 09 - 05:15 AM Well, I have got completely tangled up reading this lot, but I would still like to add my congratulations to Mr Anderson for keeping fRoots going for 30 years..magazines don't keep going for that long without getting something right and on the few occasions I have managed to get my hands on one, I have been very impressed by the quality and far-ranging content. Yes I was the subject of an article in one issue and I was surprised and delighted to be in it.. So well done Ian.. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 14 May 09 - 05:20 AM Folknacious,they were all good reviews. guest Squiggle, If he had replied politely,and allowed the thread,to be discussed[instead of closing it], and explained this ,instead of overreacting and being rude,this would have been clearer. instead people[as I was] were and still are being misled into thinking this was a review that appeared in froots[it clearly states this article appeared in froots] why hasnt Ian contacted the reviewer and told him to remove froots name from the article.[he has had 11 months to do so] I first saw this article on www.session.org Folknacious is quite wrong,my reason for objecting to the review,was because it was such a hatchet job, at the time I had no idea who james O driscoll was,I just thought it was a disgraceful review. members of the public should have every right to contact an editor and complain,without being treated with contempt and arrogance. I was led to believe it appeared in froots[as anyone else would have been].because it stated it appeared in froots |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 14 May 09 - 05:37 AM Who is this James O'Driscoll? The first quote you made above said it was by James O'Donnell. Are you just making this stuff up? Or hallucinating? Has anybody seen any marbles? Really, isn't it time to stop this absurd nonsense? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Smedley Date: 14 May 09 - 05:56 AM "Really, isn't it time to stop this absurd nonsense? " No!!! I haven't laughed so much in ages. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 14 May 09 - 06:10 AM correction, James O Donnell |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jack Campin Date: 14 May 09 - 06:11 AM why hasnt Ian contacted the reviewer and told him to remove froots name from the article.[he has had 11 months to do so] How do you know he hasn't? It's very difficult to get a website in a foreign country to take stuff down. (I don't know where www.irishmusicreview.com is hosted and I very much doubt you do). I've repeatedly tried to get plagiarisms of my work taken off the net and have never succeeded with any of them. And why the byline on the article should matter so much to you I can't imagine. You seemed to think it was fine if Geoff Wallis had written it, unacceptable if it was by James O'Donnell. (I've never heard of either of them). If the authorship is so important there's something you're not telling us. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Squiggle Date: 14 May 09 - 06:14 AM So, to sum up a) you've repeatedly accused Ian of calling you a drug taker (he didn't) b) you've repeatedly lashed out at him for printing a review you didn't agree with (he didn't) and you expect an apology for this? Anyway, back in the real world - the initial poster has been conspicuously quiet. Has she picked up the issue that the editorial she referred to was taken from? If so, does she still think that fRoots ignores new talent from England? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 14 May 09 - 06:28 AM Anyway, back in the real world - the initial poster has been conspicuously quiet. Has she picked up the issue that the editorial she referred to was taken from? If so, does she still think that fRoots ignores new talent from England? I asked this about three thousand posts further up this dismal thread, but lots of irrelevant Captainbabble has got in the way. Request to return to topic re-seconded. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 14 May 09 - 06:34 AM "Request to return to topic re-seconded" Awwwww .... as we used to say when I played rugby: "Sod the ball, let's get on with the game". |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Leadfingers Date: 14 May 09 - 06:44 AM I did a back check and Faye Roche has started a number of contentious threads and then never added anything to them ! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Vic Smith Date: 14 May 09 - 07:56 AM this is the review,it clearly states,this review was written by James O Donnell for froots. and it was clearly explained to you at the time that a] this was a pseudonym and that b] it never appeared in fRoots in the first place in spite of the claim on the website. This is old ground that has been covered and explained. Can we please move on? Then there was:- I am still waiting for an apology,and as you very well know I was right. Well, the matter has been satisfactorily elucidated and carefully explained by a number of postings above, if anyone has the tolerence to read through them. After more than one hundred posts, we are still getting things like..... the Froots editor got very angry with me for daring to send in a post criticising a review ,accused me publicly of hallucinating,and other similiar remarks. the editor of Froots is well able to explain what happened,but has not even had the decency to apologise. and then I never accused Ian of writing the review,I criticised his magazine for publishing it. I owe no one an apology,every person has a right to write about a review to the editor of any magazine /newspaper. But, as has been explained to you, this never actually appeared in fRoots and the person who actually wrote it under a pseudonym is yet another person that you have one of your pointless public disputes with. and then this review quite clearly states[and still did so last night]that it first appeared in Froots. But as was carefully explained to you at the time, this review did not appear in fRoots (though I have established that it was submitted but never published). The website that claims that it was published in that magazine was wrong at the time and it still wrong. and then again I was led to believe it appeared in froots[as anyone else would have been].because it stated it appeared in froots But early on in the postings at the time, it was explained to you that what you were led to believe was wrong, yet you persisted in accusing the editor of printing a review that you did not approve of in spite of the fact that you had been told that the review never appeared. (I hope all Mudcat users are reading this carefully and taking notes, because there will be exam questions on this alongside Explain the reasons for the outbreak of the First World War which are slightly less complicated) and then James O'Donnell James O'Driscoll Neither person exists. One is one of your very common mistakes, the other as was explained to you at the time is a pseudonym. You know who it really is because this has been explained to you, but I won't name him here because it is another of the people that you don't like, so you will probably end up being rude about him here. Well, there are others that I could quote, but I feel that I have made my point. However, I would like the person who wrote all of the italicised quotations above to consider three things:- 1] It is possible to have discussions and move points forward without reconsidering the same points repeatedly. 2] Some things would be best left to be resolved by private email rather than public forum outrage 3] There are people who use Mudcat who do not subscribe to the Dickmiles-o-centric Universe Theory and would like to see a broader discussion taking place on a public internet group such as this. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 14 May 09 - 08:04 AM So is Faye Roche a real person or a nuisance-maker then? An agent-provocateur from FolkClubs-R-Us Monthly monthly? Or an anagram? Maybe the person who suggested this thread had leaked from Mud-e-celidh knows something we don't? Maybe s/he knows where we live and all our houses are being burgled while we're glued to our screens. I'm going out for some fresh air, and locking the door behind me. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: TheSnail Date: 14 May 09 - 08:08 AM Er, um, sorry to drag this thread back towards the topic but any chance of a response to my posting of 12 May 09 - 08:36 PM? Bearded Fundamentalist spokesperson for the FLF (Folkistan Liberation Front not to be confused with the FLF - Front for the Liberation of Folkistan) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Gedi Date: 14 May 09 - 08:27 AM Thank you Vic for outlining all this nonsense so clearly. I have to say I've read all the above with some bemusement (and amusement!)and your post has clarified things somewhat. That people could hijack a thread so completely and rake up what is clearly a very old greivance which has nothing to do with the current opening post strikes me as being bizarre in the least. Clearly a lot of unresolved bitterness there! Can we please calm things down, cut out all this unpleasantness and name calling etc, etc, and return to a sensible discussion? For what its worth I have never read this or any other publication on folk music but I think the idea of some kind of internet blog or similar might be good. But hang on, isn't that what Mudcat does??? cheers Ged |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 14 May 09 - 09:24 AM Vic, I appreciate that you write for fRoots, and therefore you feel beholden to defend the magazine and Ian at all times. I'd not use the word 'grovelling' here, as that would be rude, so let's just use 'loyalty' here instead, shall we. Good to see loyalty. But, please understand that over the years, fRoots and it's editor have upset more than a few people with things they have published and their 'in yer face' attitude. If you choose to run a magazine along the lines of "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!", then you have to put up with people going ape-shit now and then. What goes around, comes around. I'm not bitter towards Ian, frankly I couldn't give a shite either way about fRoots, couldn't even be arsssssssssed to write about the piece he did on Show of Hands recently. I took one look at the photos he'd used, noticed he'd used one from waaaaaay back, one that I took him to task for on the old BBC board, and smiled...realising that he was sending out a little message there...I chose to ignore it completely, mainly because my nose is way too busy buried inside 'Songlines' to give a shite. I know how it feels though, to have things written about you that aren't true, and then to be stopped from replying to those things. It's a form of bullying, in my book..and if Dick is getting upset, well, maybe he has a right to. Indeed, it wasn't so long ago that Ian let Diane infer that I was racist, on his board. It was only when I said I'd kick his arss from here to kingdom come if he didn't remove it, that he let me put a message on there...although, of course, being Ian, he 'edited' it for me...How kind. (rolls eyes up to heaven) Some editors love to control. That's what their boards are about. Only those who bow and kowtow to those kind of editors are permitted on there. Only those who want to bow and kowtow WANT to go there in the first place, usually for their own ends, particularly if they're musicians of course, always hoping that the Great God Editor will smile kindly on their begging bowl... If you build your reputation upon being shitty to various artists, encouraging the most putrid reviews of CDs and bringing your scathing ARSS campaign over to other boards, then don't be surprised if your ARSS gets kicked, hard, over and over. And you don't have to worry, or lick editor's bums any more, because some editors truly don't give a shite about shite...So there you go. And now, I'll leave all the ARSS lickers to carry on in this thread with their "Oh, MY, HOW can *anyone* be so beastly about fRoots when it's the most wonderful magazine on the planet?" Yeah, right! I'm off to take a look in here... SONGLINES MAGAZINE SONGLINES MYSPACE |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Vic Smith Date: 14 May 09 - 09:28 AM Bryan Creer wrote:- Could you lend me your copy of the magazine, Vic? Yes |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: TheSnail Date: 14 May 09 - 09:40 AM Thanks, Vic. See you this evening. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Vic Smith Date: 14 May 09 - 09:43 AM Lizzie, Thank you very much for your kind and well-considered comments about me in the posting above. However, I would ask you to re-read the following two pieces of advice that I gave above and apply them to your own postings. I refer to the posting where I wrote:- 1] It is possible to have discussions and move points forward without reconsidering the same points repeatedly. 2] Some things would be best left to be resolved by private email rather than public forum outrage |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Borchester Echo Date: 14 May 09 - 09:44 AM Oh dear, what's that poor bloke Mr Broughton done to deserve this sort of "support"? Doen't he have enough problems trying and failing to get Songlines to keep up. editorially, with fRoots? There's are two things you call always rely on throughout madlizziecornish's most demented and barking rantings: (1) the inability to recognise the difference between "imply" and "infer", & (2) the consistent use of a greengrocer's apostrophe in the pronoun "its". |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 14 May 09 - 09:54 AM 1] It is possible to have discussions and move points forward without reconsidering the same points repeatedly. 2] Some things would be best left to be resolved by private email rather than public forum outrage Absolutely agree with you, Vic. May I politely suggest you tell Ian exactly that as well. Then it would stop him from having to mention me 'out of the blue' on his site, from time to time. Thank ooo... Glad to see your'youre'you're paying attention, diane. ;0) "Now tell me' " (she said gently, as she eased her patient back into the examination chair) "when did this infatuation with apostrophe's firs't begin to manif'est it'self?" |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Surreysinger Date: 14 May 09 - 10:31 AM "Absolutely agree with you Vic" Sadly Lizzie, if your postings actually equated with your statement, I suspect that Vic wouldn't have felt the need to make the comments that he did. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow Date: 14 May 09 - 10:56 AM I think we've all arrived at a very special place. Spiritually, ecumenically, grammatically. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 14 May 09 - 11:02 AM I agree Cap'n Sparrow. Not since the Munich conference in 1938 has there been such a complete meeting of minds. I look forward to Peace in Our Time. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 14 May 09 - 11:14 AM I get the idea that this Faye Roche character is someone well known to regular mudcat thread users. The only references to "Faye Roche", when you Google the name, all lead back to this thread.... I don't believe in coincidence. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 14 May 09 - 11:18 AM The postman came while I was out. Morris dancers on the cover again, I see. And not one but two features on cute young folk awards winners. And an encouragement to join the EFDSS. Somebody out there will be complaining on a world music blog that there aint enough African music in it. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 14 May 09 - 11:31 AM I get the idea that this Faye Roche character is someone well known to regular mudcat thread users. The only references to "Faye Roche", when you Google the name, all lead back to this thread.... I don't believe in coincidence. Light dawns - hits forehead. Faye Roche - Folk Roots - FR. No, I don't believe in coincidences either. Have we all been trolled? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 14 May 09 - 11:35 AM Nice video from youtube featuring Essex Longsword Girls on the English Dance & Song web page |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Spleen Cringe Date: 14 May 09 - 11:37 AM I think Faye is real enough. She's been posting here since last year. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 14 May 09 - 11:38 AM Folknacious, that link hadn't occurred to me, but......no I think it may well be some very familiar to mudcat regualrs and probably familiar to posters on the fRoots Come Write Me Down threads. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 14 May 09 - 11:59 AM I'm still wondering if we've been set up by F.R. - if you see what I mean - no such thing as bad publicity etc. And there's me being supportive. Oh, 200 |
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