Help! I need some info as to folk songs

Subject: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 11:51 AM

Dear members of Mudcat:

I am a graduate student who is doing a project for my dept. I am searching for some valuable info regarding folk songs. There are 100+ to search in my project and I am able to get some info for most of them. But there are a few songs that have no records in my liberary...Followed please find the song list

1. Who Is It? This is a Welsh Folk Song

2Norwegian Melody the melody is like this: /1231/1231/4-3-/222-/ /1231/1231/4-3-/231-/

3 Little Robin Red Breast

4 Sweetly Sings the Donkey melody is: /1712/3-3-/2123/1---/ /3234/5-5-/4345/1---/

5 Mary Ann /3-5-/1-3-/324-/----/ /2-44/7-2-/213-/----/ /3355/1-33/324-/----/ /2-44/7-2-/211-/----/

6 German song in 3/4 /3--/3--/323/5-4/ /2--/2--/254/3--/ /3--/3--/323/5-4/ /234/547/1--/--/

7 The Cuckoo Song - German Folk Song in 3/4 /53-/53-/212/3--/ /53-/53-/432/1--/

8 Icha Backa Icha backa soda cracker, Icha backa boo, Icha backa soda cracker, Out goes you!

/7711/7755/7711/7---/ /7711/7755/7-1-/7---/

9 Jolly Old St. Nick /3333/222-/1111/3----/ /6666/511-/2127/1----/

10 Calypso Song /123[33]/2-6-/712[22]/1-5-/ /123[33]/2-2-/7-27/1---/

[]eight notes

11 Rise, sugar, rise - American Folk Song /3[33]31/335-/[2222]22/224-/ /[3333]31/335-/5[55]23/1---/

12 Paw Paw Patch /1111/1[55]31/2222/7[22]75/ /1111/1[55]31/55[5554]/311-/

13 Lullaby 3/4 /533/32[23]/426/5-[34]/ /533/32[23]/477/1--/

14 Carnival Of Venice

If you know the proper song titles/writer(s) or lyrics regarding those songs, please help me out!

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: MMario
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:12 PM

Have you tried google.com?

I found this about #9.

possibly written by Wilf Carter

lyrics

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:33 PM

5, sounds like "All Day all night Mary Anne, down by the seashore sifting sand" JohnB

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:44 PM

Thank you, Mario, that's really helpul!! I did try some search engine, but the results weren't very positive, so I think since we are tons of experts in this forum, maybe it's a good idea to ask for help^^

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: DeanC
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:49 PM

#5.All day, all night, Mary Ann
Down by the sea side sifting sand
Even little children love Mary Ann
Down by the sea side sifting sand

I can't remember who recorded this, but I think it was sometime in the sixties.

#6. Du, Du Liebst Mir in Herzen. It's a very common German song.

#14. The references I found indicate that it is a classical cornet exercise piece based on an Italian flok song.

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: MudGuard
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:50 PM

http://ingeb.org/Lieder/Kuckuck.html

is this the german Cuckoo song (nr. 7)?

It is not traditional, it was written by August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben (1798-1874).

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:56 PM

Dear DeanC:

Thank you for the help! Do you remember the song title for #5? and who actually wrote this song.

Thank you for your info regarding #6 Du, Du Liebst Mir in Herzen....is this the song title? Please help me in this regard.

#14 I am sorry, this is a traditional italian Air. ...hmm, ok, melody is like is: 3/4 *=rest 1 beat 5/6*5/4*3/42-/-23/4*5/6*5/3--/-*5/ /876/543/42-/-23/4*5/6*7/8--/---/

Any idea?

regards,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: MMario
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:57 PM

#4 - all I can find is "Traditional English Round"

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:58 PM

4 Sweetly Sings the Donkey melody is: /1712/3-3-/2123/1---/ /3234/5-5-/4345/1---/

Sweetly sings the donkey, at the break of day.
If you do not feed him, he will run away.
Heehaw! Heehaw! Heehaw, heehaw, heehaw!

This is a childrens song, in case that isn't obvious!

A

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:59 PM

Dear MudGuard:

I went to the URL in your message...and then bingo! That's the song I am looking for!!! Thank you for your info!!

Regards!

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Allan C.
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:02 PM

#5 was recorded by The Brothers Four as well as by Harry Belafonte. I suspect you can find authorship info by checking their CD's listed on the net.

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:02 PM

Dear A:

Thank you very much for your info regarding "Sweetly Sings The Donkey" ...that's right...your melody is the right one! But would you please provide me info as to song writer and historical backgroud?

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:05 PM

#3. "Little Robin Redbreast"
See Iona & Peter Opie, The Oxford Dictionary of Nursery Rhymes, new edition (Oxford, 1997, pp. 441-443).

#6. "Du, Du, Liegst Mir im Herzen"
See James J. Fuld, The Book of World-Famous Music, 4th ed. (Dover, 1995, p. 207)

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:05 PM

Dear Allan:

I will try to do a bit research in that regard. Thank you.

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:08 PM

Dear masato sakurai:

Thank you! I will go to the libarary of my university this afternoon to check those books (that is, if we do have those books in our libarary...)

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Allan C.
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:10 PM

BIABfsg, you may find it spelled, "Marianne".

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:14 PM

Dear Allan:

All right! I will go to contemplator.com to search for that title later! Thank you again, Allan. (are you my music history professor?? his name is Allan Comstock though....^^)

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Bert
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:19 PM

There are many versions of #8. We learned it as kids as...

Immenacka rickeracka
Rare are dominacka
Chicka bocka
Bocka chicka
Om pom push

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: MudGuard
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:22 PM

Nr. 6 is also available at ingeb.org http://ingeb.org/Lieder/dudulieg.html

It says at the top: North German Traditional (known since at least 1820)

I would not have recognized it from the (what it looks to me) chaotic numbers - how does this number system work?

MudGuard

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Deda
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:23 PM

Bill Crofut put out an LP in maybe the '80s or early 90s on which he put various poems to music. One of them was Little Robin Redbreast -- but this may not be what you're looking for. I don't know the name of the LP but I have it at home and could get it.

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:23 PM

Dear bert:

Thank you very much for your info. I will re-search for those title again this afternoon.

Respecctfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:26 PM

#12. "Paw Paw Patch"
Vance Randolph, Ozark Folksongs, vol. 3 (State Historical Society of Missouri, 1949, pp. 364-365)
Alan Lomax, The Folk Songs of North America (Doubleday, no. 46)
~Masato

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Allan C.
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:27 PM

Nope, that is not my name. Bert is correct. That is one of many versions of childhood "counting songs". Some of the odd words are often derivations of actual numbers in languages other than English. (See: Treasury of American Folklore; B.A. Botkin, pp. 769-773, for instance.)

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:28 PM

Dear MudGuard:

Thank you again for your help! I will then go and take a look of URL provided by you.

Those numbers are not any official system. so...1= Do 2=Re...etc.

respectfully yours, BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:30 PM

Dear masato sakurai:

Thank you again! but, Masato, what if we don't have that book in our lib????

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:31 PM

Dear Allan:

So, it's impossible for us to find out who actually wrote this song?

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:41 PM

BIABfsg,

If you can't find the book(s) or info, post again.

#14. The tune I know is "Carneval de Venice" by F. W. Zeiner. The sheet music (New York: Pattison, J. N., 1884) is in the Music for the Nation collection, Library of Congress.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:44 PM

Dear Masato:

Thank you very much for your help! I will try to find those books that you mentioned. And thank you again for your help for the #14...I will check the URL now...^^

I really appreciate everyone who trys to help me out here.

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Allan C.
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:55 PM

Comin' 'Round the Mountain

Comin' 'round the mountain, two by two,
Comin' round the mountain, two by two,
Comin' round the mountain, two by two,
Rise, sugar, rise.

Show us a little motion, two by two,
Show us a little motion, two by two,
Show us a little motion, two by two,
Rise, sugar, rise.

A very fine motion, two by two,
A very fine motion, two by two,
A very fine motion, two by two,
Rise, sugar, rise.

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:55 PM

My mistake. #14's composer isn't Zeiner. He was an arranger. According to The Great Song Thesaurus(Oxford), it was composed by J. Bellak in 1854. Bellak's sheet music is also in Music for the Nation.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:59 PM

Dear Allan:

Comin' 'Round the Mountain so this is the song title for rise, sugar, rise....all right, I will go ahead and search for this song title...Thank you, Allan.

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,biabfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 06:04 PM

Hi Masato:

Thank you for your help!I am now checking our collection in the libarary, hope can find those book you mentioned.

respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 06:54 PM

#12's melody is very similar to those of "Ten Little Indians," "John Brown Had a Little Indian," "The Monkey Married the Baboon's Sister," and sometimes (but not always) "(What Shall We Do with the) Drunkern Sailor."

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 07:43 PM

Dear Masato:

That's right! Ten Little Indians! I am now in our libarary and try to find those books you mentioned, however, the we have different editions here..but it's all right...I still can find some valuable info. Thank you again!

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 07:51 PM

Sorry, I do not know who wrote or published "Sweetly sings the Donkey"; I learned it as a fourth-grade child, long before I became a second-rate adult!

If you can find any collections of children's songs from around 1950-1960 (U.S.) it will probably be among them.

A

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,pavane
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 03:31 AM

BIABfsg, if you have time, why not investigate "abc" notation. It is just as easy as your 123, but there are programs which can play it, and it is widely used on the net.

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: sian, west wales
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 04:35 AM

I'm afraid I don't understand what song you're asking for in #1. Can you give a Welsh title or more information?

sian, west wales

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 04:50 AM

sian, try "Pwy Sy'n Galw"? I know a song with such a title exists, but I can remember neither the tune nor the words.

GUEST,BIABfsg: the title I've given means 'Who is Calling' - would this be the one you are looking for?

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,Moleskin Joe
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 06:10 AM

#8 as has been said this song appears in numerous different versions all over the place. Whenever you get "Out goes she" it is a skipping song. They used to be very common when girls still skipped in the street. When it gets to "Out goes she" the girl skipping moves out and the next girl in the queue moves in.

Subject: Lyr Add: THE LOVER'S CUCKOO (trans. from German)
From: masato sakurai
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 09:39 AM

#7. The English lyrics with notes.

THE LOVER'S CuCKOO (Germany; Eng. version by W.S.)
--The melody is early nineteenth century; the words, around 1835.

1. Cuckoo, cuckoo, sings thru the trees.
Cuckoo, cuckoo, sings thru the trees.
Horses are prancing, lovers are dancing.
Cuckoo, cuckoo, give my heart ease.

2. Cuckoo, cuckoo, winter is past.
Cuckoo, cuckoo, winter is past.
Farmers all plowing, lovers all vowing,
Cuckoo, cuckoo, spring's here at last.

3. Cuckoo, cuckoo, tell her it's spring.
Cuckoo, cuckoo, tell her it's spring.
My heart is burning; for love I'm yearning.
Cuckoo, cuckoo, I, too, would sing.

SOURCE: Norman Luboff & Win Stracke, Songs of Man (Prentice-Hall/Walton, 1965, pp. 142-143).

~Masato

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: masato sakurai
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 09:43 AM

THE LOVER'S CUCKOO

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 09:44 AM

dear everyone:

Thank you so much for you guys help! I am now doing a project based on a book "best in class - comprehensive recorder method by Bruce Pearson" I try to made all music in that book(about 110 tracks in play-a--long and listening track, so it's total 220 tracks in wav format.) and then I would like to add some info for each song since we are using this book as college level text book for people who want to learn as to music about without any background.

Interesting in this book is that Bruce Pearson has changed some titles and alter the melodies a little, for instance, "The Camptown Races" is cited as "Crazy Camptown".....

So as for No#1 Who is it? all I have for your info is Welsh Folk Song...

As for abc notation....I was actually thinking that maybe I could attach some midi...but didn't see anything like that...

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 10:08 AM

PWY SY'N GALW, JONES J. OWEN

This is the sum total information I have found. It came from Snell & Sons' website, they are the custodians of the largest collection of Welsh sheet music in, er, Wales I should think. The site can be found blicky. The name given is that of the composer, I hope this helps.

Subject: RE: Help! I need some info as to folk songs
From: GUEST,BIABfsg
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 10:18 AM

Dear The_one_and_only_Dai

Thank you very much for your info...I will check the URL you provided....So The_one_and_only_Dai..what's your favorite version of The One and Only love?

Respectfully yours,

BIABfsg