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BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)

GUEST 13 Dec 06 - 06:27 AM
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Wolfgang 13 Dec 06 - 06:43 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 06:27 AM

That is not true 6:2AM. These threads have continued with The Shambles as the sole conributer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 06:30 AM

If anyone thinks I have the slightest interest in reading what must surely be themost tedious and repetitious screed since the Jones and Evans pages of the Cardiff phone book they've got another thing coming.

Smiles.

Subject: RE: BS: Washing snotty handkerchifs
from JennyO
Date: 23 Sep 06 - 03:17 AM

It always amazes me, the people who come onto threads where the subject can be very clearly seen without opening them, just to read them and criticise us poor little plebs for wasting our lives on them. Obviously they don't mind wasting THEIR lives to do that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 06:43 AM

Now I find it interesting when posters seem to find something strange in trying to post one's honest views for 6 years (Shambles)

Honest? That's about the last word that comes to my mind about your posts to this theme. You have never been honest to us about the motives for your campaign. Too many of your posts in particular those about the motives are obvious lies. You do not call people names openly, but you do everything you can to give the impression that they deserve to be called so. Someone who honestly posts a differing opinion even with using strong words would be much easier to tolerate. I fear that you are not only dishonest to us but but also to yourself.

Could we make a deal, Shambles? You promise that you'll never post anything about this vendetta in other threads than this one (or its sequel). In turn, I promise that I'll never again open this thread (hard to control by you) and never more post to this thread (easy to control).

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:00 AM

Shambles-you are a big trubble maker, and a big ungratefull basterd, (i explain)=max made mudcat, and you keep saying Qoite, "our forum, etc, blar , blar, blar etc",, anyway its not ours, its max;s site, so shut up saying its ours, anyway-did you ever pay any money to use it?
if you did, 9but i bet you didnt)!, you could moan a bit,ie give some suggestions etc, or did you ever do any voulonteer jobs, ie fix stuff etc? and joe works loads of hours each week fixing stuff and helping etc, so we can use it, (i know loads of others help as well), but you always pick on joe, "joe delted my thread, its not fair, joe is picking on me, etc blar, blar, blar"

anyway=i bet you dont even like folk music, and another anyway=
why not fuck off and make trubble somewehere else?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:18 AM

No one else would have his trubble. Contary to what a number of others have said, some other places would have tried to discuss the trubble with him but even they would have conculded there was no possibilty of reasonable discussion a long while ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:23 AM

oh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 07:45 AM

You may have thought that if a poster was pointing out what they considered to be unfair treatment by our 'moderators' their response would be to try their best to demonstrate to our forum that this was not the case.

Not the 'moderators' on our forum.

The current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team just publicly confrims this unfair treatment as a fact - as in the following post - then goes on to attempt to justify this unfair treatment.....

Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:04 PM

Well, I used to give you equal treatment, Shambles - but you kept badgering me about that being repressive censorship.
So, you got what you asked for. Catspaw can say what he likes about you, until such time as you stop your incessant campaign against the way we do things here. You are not a nice person, Shambles. Do not expect to be treated nicely.
-Joe-


This then compromises everyone on our forum. Especially those who are honestly supporting the 'moderation' as being fair - as they are assured by our 'moderators' that it is fair and are currently prepared to take this on trust. And incredibly would still seem to.

Special restriction are seen to be placed on certain posters for simply trying to post whilst another favoured poster is openly encouraged by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team to post obscene and abusive posts quite intentionally, in an attempt to prevent others from posting.

The sort of posts that other posters would be censured for and indeed which one has been entirely banned from our forum for.

I see nothing nice in such open displays of hypocrisy and nothing nice in posters being seen to support it - even if it is just by saying nothing.

More importantly it makes our forum look bad and reveals its so-called 'moderation' to be nothing more than online group bullying and provides nothing but ammunition for this forum's few real detractors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:24 AM

How many times have you pasted that post of Joe's now Roger?
What a futile life you lead!
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:46 AM

How many times have you pasted that post of Joe's now Roger?

Had it not been posted publicly in the first place - I would not be able to paste it at all.

But there is little point now our forum trying its hardest to pretend - as you appear to to - that it wasn't posted at all.

Strange that you find criticsm for me posting it but have none for it being posted in the first place.

Perhaps even you should question your uncritical support at this point?

Or do you judge it acceptable for the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team to be seen to be openly encouraging the posting of abusive persoanal attacks and name-calling?

This on top of him intentionally being seen to be 'spamming' both this thread and the original one and then closing it - claiming this was because it was targeted by spammers!

Perhaps even you must be questioning if the plot has been lost - assuming of course that - as far as 'moderation' on our forum goes- there ever was a plot to be lost.........


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:52 AM

Well if there was ever a sound and absolutely justifiable reason to exclude Shambles from this site, it would be to protect him from himself.

If you can extricate yourself long enough from your "point" shambles, you will hopefully see that you have a problem.

It's like detoxing an alcoholic for a while. It gives them time to get a fresh sense of perspective.

If you can't answer me without referring in some way to the points raised in your campaign, which are not relevant to my genuine and clear concerns about your well being, then perhaps you need to ask yourself why.

Do you think this argument is worth the last 6 years of your life and do you think it is worth, potentially, another 6 years of your life?

Really?


Stand back for a second and look at the guy you are becoming - locked to a computer screen for 6 years typing messages on a chat forum about your rights to ... um ... well ... type messages onto a chat forum. Inexhaustively and tenaciously typing about your freedom to type with no end in site and no clear goal.


Of course in your mind it is so much more significant than that and your image of it is much more complex than the one I have described above, but I am afraid I must inform you that your imagination is misleading you, or rather, your compulsion to believe your imagination is misleading you.

Do you see my point?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 09:18 AM

"Perhaps even you should question your uncritical support at this point?"

Did I ever say I did support it?
NO!!!
You are past the point of objectivity Roger, and you now work on the principle that those who don't agree with you 100% are against you 100%.
What Joe said is right in one respect, you have made yourself such a nuisance on this site as to merit being given 'special treatment'
You make more demands on the time and patience of the 'Mudcat editing Team' than all the others put together.
No he shouldn't have posted that criticism of you on the threads, but you in turn should have been a bigger man, and replied via PM, thus inhabiting the higher moral ground.
Instead you have embarked upon a pointless crusade, which you cannot win.
Wake up and smell the coffee as they say Roger.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 11:22 AM

Stand back for a second and look at the guy you are becoming - locked to a computer screen for 6 years typing messages on a chat forum about your rights to ... um ... well ... type messages onto a chat forum. Inexhaustively and tenaciously typing about your freedom to type with no end in site and no clear goal.

Lox what is the differene between shambles posting his point and the merry band who have spent six years replying to it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 11:34 AM

1. They only post in response to what has been said here.
2. I can't think of any poster other than Shambles who has kept going daily for 6 years.

The weirdest ones by far are the ones who regularly post to complain about the ones who respond to shambles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 12:34 PM

1. They only post in response to what has been said here.
2. I can't think of any poster other than Shambles who has kept going daily for 6 years.

The weirdest ones by far are the ones who regularly post to complain about the ones who respond to shambles.



Priceless! He hit me first, no he didn't ,yes he did. And that just about sums up the mentality of those of you who can't resist opening a thread you don't think should exist. Peretuating it's very existence. But like I said it fulfills a need for you.

I don't see any regularity in people doing what you describe at the end of your very mature response.

Keep it up chaps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: jeffp
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 01:03 PM

You too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 01:09 PM

And it gets weirder. There is one here who adopts different names (including anon) and takes different stances.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 01:13 PM

Why wouldn't I? I open these threads every few weeks for a grin. If they annoyed me I would not do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 03:01 PM

The following from Snitchers Corner.

Subject: RE: Another striange thing....
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12-Dec-06 - 07:49 PM

Yeah, this Spam stuff is getting to be a real problem. I whish Max would hurry up and do something about it. members-only seems to be the solution, but maybe he has another idea.
-Joe Offer-


Despite all this pushing - maybe he does have another idea?

Whether Max has another idea or not - after the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team's - for the record statement and all this public speculation - I am sure that many posters would greatly appreciate our forum being informed one way or the other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 03:53 PM

GUEST

You have a point, but so do I and I don't think I'm going to get a response.

It's called maladaptive denial.

Good luck Shambles I hope it works out for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 04:45 PM

Well, Shambles, why don't you end the suspense and just e-mail Max to find out what his ideas really are. I'll be that he will answer you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 05:14 PM

Do you think this argument is worth the last 6 years of your life and do you think it is worth, potentially, another 6 years of your life?

I would much rather actually address the issue in this thread - rather than explain the reasons why, for this is not important and only feeds the incorrect impresssion given - that my posting is the issue - but as you ask politely.

It depends on what the 'it' you refer to is.

To me this simply means trying to continue post my views to our forum - as I have done for many years.

I don't know how much of your life you may spend reading and posting on our forum - but it does not take up very much of mine.

But I think bullying, double standards and hypocrisy should be challenged where ever it is encountered and no matter how long it may take.

Is there another option?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 05:22 PM

My opinion is that you should e-mail Max and put an end to this silliness as soon as possible. Max is the only one who can help you. Mudcat members can't and moderators can't because Max sets the rules. Go to the top.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 02:39 PM

Our forum is constantly informed that it is Max's forum.

Is it being now serously suggested that the world is invited to post here and be able to read what others have posted here - but Max himself is somehow unaware and unable to?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 04:54 PM

*grin*...Max is just too smart to get into a daily debate with you, Roger. It wouldn't matter what he said, you'd twist it.

...and who knows....maybe he is doing a Sociology thesis on all this and doesn't want to skew the data..


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 06:36 PM

The following thread has been closed by persons and reasons unknown John McCusker


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 06:46 PM

oh, good! Someone showed great taste!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: bobad
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 07:15 PM

"The following thread has been closed by persons and reasons unknown"

That's the way things are done here. Some persons are delegated to make these judgements whether we like it or not.

If you don't like it you have several options:

1. You can take it up with the management, let your reasons be known and they will decide on the validity of your argument - that's the way it's done here.

2. You can accept and live with it and maybe try to recognize why that decision was made.

3. You can decide that you can't live with the way things are done here and leave.

4. You can continue to voice your complaints and endure the abuse heaped upon you by those who are fed up or until the management pulls the plug on you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 04:46 AM

That's probably because the last thread on that subject turned into an exercise in prurient speculation.
G.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 09:11 AM

Shambles, same point different perspective.

This whole issue shouldn't matter to you as much as it does.

Ok, so I've done that one to death (time to move on - one week is quite enough).

instead, let's step outside your frame of reference.

And put ourselves in Max's shoes.

What do you think really matters to him?

My feeling is that bigger priorities than you are going to jump the queue in his life from now till kingdom come, or till he thinks to himself "my computers getting jammed up ... hmmm ... how can I save memory ..." and simply blocks you out.

Alternatively, he might just ask his moderators to go back to deleting everything that you post rather than giving you your own special "shambles and his views are the most important issue on mudcat" thread.

If he cared he'd have come to your aid, or at least answered some of your interminable postulating by now.

He doesn't care.

You don't matter that much to him or the site.

6 bloody years!

<<<<<<<<<<< HE DOESN'T CARE >>>>>>>>>>>>>

You complain of injustice - the cruellest thing this site has done is allow you to stay.

You need help mate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Lox
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 09:46 AM

Do you know the story of Don Quixote?

Very sad.

Very Familiar!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 11:16 AM

1. You can take it up with the management, let your reasons be known and they will decide on the validity of your argument - that's the way it's done here.

Tried that.

2. You can accept and live with it and maybe try to recognize why that decision was made.

Tried that.

3. You can decide that you can't live with the way things are done here and leave.

Tried that.

4. You can continue to voice your complaints and endure the abuse heaped upon you by those who are fed up or until the management pulls the plug on you.

OK - I will try that. Thanks for the advice.

It does look as if heaping abuse on posters who post views other posters may not agree with - is now officially encouraged. So I will just have to learn to live with this.

Actually I thought I had clearly demonstrated that I have learned to live with that?

My concern is not over being subject to this abuse - as anyone who feels they have to resort to indulging in or encouraging this personal abuse and name-calling has lost any credibilty and is only demonstrating their worst aspect.

My concern is the example of the double standard of posting behaviour that the encouraging of this personal abuse against certain targets is setting.

Is my view that all posters should feel safe from abuse - to simply post their views (even if these views are judged to boring).

If posters are not now safe to do this and that is way it is now to be done here - I and I suspect many other posters would not wish to be seen as supporting it in any way. Especially as many of support our 'modrators' because they are assured that it is our 'moderators' role to protect posters from abusive personal attacks.


For the issue under discussion in this thread is NOT the right of Max to do as he wishes with his website nor the posting of one individual long-term member.

The issue is that all posters on our forum are asked and expected to support thread closures and 'silently deleted' posts and entire threads - in what is referred to a 'moderation' when this is seen in practice to be something other than what our 'moderators' assure our forum that it is.

Foe example - I am not sure what part in protecting posters from spam posts - the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team intentionally posting it plays? Perhaps this can be explained?

You can support this or not - but all I am trying to do is to enable our forum to be able for the first time to express an informed opinion on the true nature and current level of all the imposed editing actions which are undertaken in their name.

Our forum will only be able to judge if all this undertaken in order to protect their interests - is really proportionate - when all such impositions are recorded in editing comments and all editing comments are limited to only where some form of editing action has been judged to be necessary.   

Our forum may not have the right to question Max's right to decide what remains on our forum and to take measures to remove anything he decides should not remain.

But perhaps simply asking to know the, why and where of the instances when such action has been imposed - is not too much for posters to our forum to expect?

Even if this is only for the practical reason of a poster who knows they have posted by cannot find their posts - will then always know if imposed editing action is the reason for the non-appearance of their invited contribution.


But I was not aware that I or any other poster needed your permission or indeed permission from any other poster to post their views? But that is now the way it appears to be now done here.

I well remember a time when this was not the way it is done here.

Why do posters now feel that they have some right to post only to publicly judge the worth of their fellow posters and to tell them what they should post or not? And feel they have some right to to post personal abuse should they not be in agreement?

The answer is that the such judgment is the posting example set by our 'moderators'.

And until a different example is set - posters will be encouraged to follow this example.

If certain fellow posters wish to and are seen to be encouraged by our 'moderators' to post only name-calling insults of their fellow posters - as far as I am concerned as the target of many of these posts - they can do this as such posts are pretty easy to ignore - but this example will be followed.

So when the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team publicly complains that he judges our forum is not a place to goof off of have a discussion and when champions even more limitations and restrictions to be imposed on posters - perhaps he can take some responsibilty for what he is complaining about?

And accept that perhaps if any more limitations and restrictions were to be be imposed - these should be on the activities of our 'moderators'?

As far as I am concerned Max has always deserved our forum's gratitude for the opportunity he has presented posters with. What we make of our forum - has always been down to all of its posters.

As a start - i suggest that if our forum is expected to be seen to support our 'moderators' and the imposed editing actions undertaken by them in our name - perhaps they could reasonably expect to always be informed of the true nature and current level of these actions?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 11:28 AM

Do you know the story of Don Quixote?

As you say - 6 years.

Do you not think that in all that time - that Don Quixote has not been mentioned by those who are just as deserving of your public judgement and medical diagnosis (but who do not seem to receive it)?

In fact there are few judgements, insults and names that I not been encouraged to be called in that time. You may be able to come up with something novel - but I doubt it?

Why not actually try to address the issue?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Lox
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:13 PM

Because it's a waste of my time and my life.

On the other hand, attempting to persuade someone with a clear problem to try to extricate himself from a mental and emotional quagmire of unimaginably disproportionate magnitude, before he wakes up one day to realise that he has wasted the best years of his life bitterly typing rhetoric about his virtual civil liberties, when he could have been enriching himself with other discourse if not experience, strikes me (for a limited time) as being worth a shot.

What are you going to do with your time when you are banned?

You are about as opressed as - well - any ordinary English Bloke with a home and a computer free to pursue happiness in whatever manner he chooses.

... "aaah yes but that's the point you see" ...

Stop.

Look around you.

Stretch.

Fuck it!

It doesn't matter!


6 years ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:17 PM

There is no issue to address except in your mind. Right or wrong, what's done is done, live with it, most others do!
G


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:17 PM

Why should Shambles be banned?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:20 PM

When the stridently don't effect a they tend to make it very for those who do. I can't put it any plainer than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Lox
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:25 PM

... confident ...

... change ...

... difficult ...

are they the missing words?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:26 PM

Pedant. There ARE no missing words.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Lox
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:29 PM

Sorry dude, I thought it was a riddle used to make a point.

I don't get it ... (scratching my head in hopeful confusion)


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:33 PM

Hi, Lox. As Bobert would say, just funnin' with you.

I posted that because the obsessiveness of the people who follow Roger around just so they can hurl abusive shit at him continues to shine here, and it makes as much sense to me as my post makes to anyone. In essense, none.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Lox
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 05:51 PM

I understand,

That's one reason for me to be consistent in my point and refusing to get drawn in on "the debate".

Thing is peace, if he was in a hole in the ground in Tibet being tortured by the Chinese, or his family had been wiped out by the secret police in chile and he refused to rest till the truth was told, or he had been arrested by the british police and had a confession beaten out of him for a bombing he didn't do, then fair enough.

It would be an act of great courage to keep fighting for 6 years, while another ordinary mortal soul might have given up and accepted the harsh reality of their life.

The abuse that Shambles gets though is by no means something that he "must" endure. The reasons for enduring it simply aren't important enough (except in his mind) to warrant that kind of "courage".

This confrontation is not good for him. It wouldn't be good for anyone. Why does he keep coming back to it.

Of course that applies to his "abusers" too, but the relationship is symbiotic and ultimately whether it carries on or not is something that he has control over.

In short, he could stop engaging in this ridiculous performance now if he wanted, and ignore cruel posts made about him just as the rest of us ignore trolls and flamers etc.

Truth is though that it's not just the "abusers" that he needs. You and me are talking about him now. He is the centre of attention. This is a thread about shambles.

Yes I'm contributing too, but as I said above "for a limited time"


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 06:39 PM

Just a guess here but I believe more people post more often than shambles. Why not direct the condescending 'how can you waste your life here' speech to them. Ah but then you wouldn't bask in the warm glow of 'belonging.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: bobad
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 06:48 PM

THE COASTERS - "Charlie Brown"
        
Fe-fe, fi-fi, fo-fo, fum
I smell smoke in the auditorium

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He's a clown, that Charlie Brown
He's gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why's everybody always pickin' on me)

That's him on his knees
I know that's him
Yeah, from 7 come 11
Down in the boys' gym

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He's a clown, that Charlie Brown
He's gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why's everybody always pickin' on me)

Who's always writing on the wall
Who's always goofing in the hall
Who's always throwing spit balls
Guess who (who, me) yeah, you

Who walks in the classroom, cool and slow
Who calls the English teacher, Daddy-O

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He's a clown, that Charlie Brown
He's gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why's everybody always pickin' on me)

[Instrumental Interlude]

Who walks in the classroom, cool and slow
Who calls the English teacher, Daddy-O

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He's a clown, that Charlie Brown
He's gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why's everybody always pickin' on me)


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 02:21 AM

That's one reason for me to be consistent in my point and refusing to get drawn in on "the debate".

If you judge that this a thread about me and that giving attention to it is not something to be encouraged - why can you not simply ignore it?

But 'the debate' may draw you in yet.

I may be wrong - but I seem to remember that before your posts in this thread and your stated refusal to get drawn into 'the debate' - in another thread did you post publicly to our forum, only to tell me to F*** OFF (or words to that effect)?

And unlike very similar or even more persoanally abusive posts from certain favoured posters that are now seen to encouraged to be posted here by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - wasn't that post of yours 'silently deleted' by our 'moderators'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 02:44 AM

On the other hand, attempting to persuade someone with a clear problem to try to extricate himself from a mental and emotional quagmire of unimaginably disproportionate magnitude, before he wakes up one day to realise that he has wasted the best years of his life bitterly typing rhetoric about his virtual civil liberties, when he could have been enriching himself with other discourse if not experience, strikes me (for a limited time) as being worth a shot.

Well yes this might have been worth a shot - if indeed that is what it was - but if it was you have been seen to have had that shot.

It was not what I asked for but I am grateful for your public show of noble intentions never the less. But now I would be grateful if you would do as I did ask and either discuss the issue which IS the subject of this thread or ignore it. Thank you.

Any more generous and helpful attempts to save me from my self can be made via PM (where all of the posters to our forum will not run any risk of being inflicted with them).

Or if you are really so concerned about my welfare - you could always ask for the special restrictions imposed on my posting to be removed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Peace
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 03:54 AM

What special restrictions, Shambles? Serious question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 04:03 AM

The inability to repeat the same post in every thread on this board, that's what he's complaining about!


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: The Shambles
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 04:48 PM

What special restrictions, Shambles? Serious question.

Any posting restrictions that are imposed on my posting only and not to you or any other poster - are special ones. Serious answer.

Especially when what I have asked for (for 6 years) is for all posters to be seen to receive equal treatment by our 'moderators'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

[yawn]
199
    You're right, Shambles. You do get special treatment. We put up with you, and we shouldn't have to. With the way you've Spammed this forum with the same old thing (oftentimes multiple copies of the exact same thing) for six years, the fair and equitable thing would be to bar you from Mudcat for life - but we don't have the ability to do that to you just yet. So, we restrict your complaints to one active thread at a time, and allow you to say almost anything you like as long as you keep it in that one thread. If you want to post complaints in another thread, you have to stop posting in this thread and wait until tomorrow - and if you do, you can expect that this thread will be closed.
    Most people post what they have to say just once, and then go on and say something else. Why can't you do that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

200!

[yawn]


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