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Subject: Have a Happy Passover! From: katlaughing Date: 18 Apr 00 - 07:25 PM To all Mudcatters who celebrate Passover, I'd like to say, I hope you have a wonderful time with your family and friends at this important time. Also, I would love to learn more baout it, esp. the food and music. Here is a little bit I copied from a website: Passover (or Pesach) is the Jewish festival of freedom and thanksgiving which celebrates the historical Exodus of the Israelites from Egyptian slavery. Passover begins at sundown on April 19, 2000 and continues for 8 days. Joyous Passover to you! luvyakat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: katlaughing Date: 18 Apr 00 - 07:44 PM Okay, LilNeo, the dietician, tell us the 100 things you can make from matzoh!**BG** |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Apr 00 - 07:56 PM As a treat for Passover and Easter, here's the incomparable Rabbi Lionel Blue talking on the BBC
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Apr 00 - 07:58 PM Well, here should be link to Rabbi Blue on the BBC that didn't make it through just now. http://www.airtime.co.uk/Hibbert-Assembly/epilepsy/epilrab.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 18 Apr 00 - 08:01 PM Oh nomit wasn't! But I hop this will be Rabbi Blue on the BBC http://www.maingate.demon.co.uk/marknlard/rabbi.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: GUEST,Annraoi Date: 18 Apr 00 - 08:13 PM Beannachtaí na Cásca fríd aiséirí ghlórmhair ár dTiarna Íosa Criost do achan duine a léas an teachtaireacht seo. Annraoi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: GUEST,Sinsull Date: 18 Apr 00 - 08:15 PM I am fortunate to spend Passover with my "second" family every year. Chicken soup with matzoh balls is my favorite. I will try to get you all some music and recipes. It's hard to go wrong roasting an egg.
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Little Neophyte Date: 18 Apr 00 - 08:18 PM Matzoh ball soup Matzoh meal farfel (kind of like a stuffing) Matzoh bra (matzoh & scramble eggs 'To Die For') Matzoh with cream cheese and jam (oy, that's food too) Matzoh meal pancakes Matzoh kishke (sausage with heavenly filling) Matzoh Kneidlach (soup dumplings) Matzo Meal Kleis (more soup dumplings) Matzo Latkas (potato pancakes) Geshmirte Matzo (cheesy matzos) Matzoh kugel (potato casserol kind of pudding) Matzoh Mandelbrot (Jewish cookies) Dry wall filler Carton packing material Land fill Any Hebrew Mudcatters that can help me out here? Little Neo
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: katlaughing Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:04 PM A valiant start, LilNeo! Annraoi, may I beg a translation, please, and apologise for being familiar with what I believe is Gaelige? Kevin...too much!LOL! Sinsull, I like the way you have jumped right in, in the threads! Please do come back with more. There are some great links with wonderful sound files to klezmer music here in a previous thread. Well worth listening to, IMO, esp. good examples of clarinet as a folk instrument! Thanks! kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: wysiwyg Date: 18 Apr 00 - 09:49 PM k/k, Have you ever been to a Seder? Many kinds... and non-Jews are usually welcomed BIGTIME. Non-Jews in fact have been known to hold Seders. If you can find someone to show you the ropes, you could have one at your own house. Since Passover is several nights, you can ask someone to come over to make Seder with you and not make them miss their own... Some churches do or have done them. It's been so long since I went to one I cannot recall enough to get you started, ort we could have online Seder. maybe someone else can help more than I. HearMe Seder anyone???? A large part of what occurs is the telling of the Big Story, so the thing kinda makes itself happen, if you have the booklet (Haggadah, is that the right word?) with the story. Mudcatters, have you one to post for kat? The best one I atended was given by a young Jewish woman (a college girl) who had grown up secular and now wanted to reclaim roots. It was a Seder picnic on the floor of her apartment, all of us reclining. Very Biblical! Even if your community's Jewish population is next to nil, it is entirely possible that you can find a way to do this, this year. Go for it! ~Susan~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mbo Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:04 PM "Why is this night different from any other night?" The Haggadah is very interesting... --Mbo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: SINSULL Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:21 PM Kat, Mudcat Cafe may be a lifesaver for me. I work at a computer all day long and when things get quiet play on eBay. Needless to say, it became addictive and I don't know which is worse - the piles of crap littering my house or the hot dogs and beans we will be eating until my next paycheck due to a cash shortage. I love music from the Civil War and Gay Nineties and feel as if I have died and gone to heaven on this site. Finally found someone to play with. Favorite children's Seder parts - Elijah and the matzoh hunt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: GUEST,Allan S. Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:28 PM And don't forget after all that Matzoh in 100 different dishes all yummy, the antidote.STEWED PRUNES |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Little Neophyte Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:49 PM More like a few sticks of dynamite are required Allan S. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: catspaw49 Date: 18 Apr 00 - 10:57 PM So I once worked for this Kosher catering service and...........no, let's not get into that! Best to all who celebrate these days. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Chocolate Pi Date: 18 Apr 00 - 11:01 PM thank you for your good wishes, kat and everyone. Unfortunately, this is not going to be a great Pesach for me; the first major one away from home, and the campus Hillel still hasn't gotten back to me about the family they said they had room with. sigh. Chocolate Pi (feeling homesick) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: katlaughing Date: 19 Apr 00 - 12:20 AM Sorry about that ChocPi. I hope they do get back in touch with you. Sinsull, there are many of us who feel the same way about the Mudcat. It is wonderful, isn't it? Praise, thank you, but that is more than I had in mind, for myself. I mainly wanted to honour the traditions of my many friends here at the Mudcat who celebrate this holiday. We do have a wonderful Jewish community here and I have to the Temple several times, as well as had the honour of sitting at the same table as the community "matriarch" and her husband, when we all had dinner with Morris Dees, of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Hilda is a WWII survivor from Austria and a remarkable, extremely kind woman. As part of my membership in and work with the Wyoming Grassroots Project, a human rights org., I try to promote and embrace all kinds of diversity. It is all so very interesting and enlightening and heartening. I am grateful when so many of us can come together and work towards those goals. It was in WGP that I met Hilda. I also had a lot of friends and two former bosses back east who were Hebrew. I loved it when my kids were in grade school back there. They had friends who went to Herbew classes and their music teacher taught the whole class the "dreydl" song. It was so good for my kids to learn about so many different cultures and their traditions. Thanks, again, kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mark Cohen Date: 19 Apr 00 - 06:21 AM Gut yuntif, everyone! (That's Yiddish for happy holiday; yuntif is the Yiddish version of the Hebrew "yom tov" or good day. And Yiddish, of course, is a form of Middle High German mixed with Hebrew and other languages that became the everyday language of millions of Jewish people in Europe and worldwide. But I digress.) It's not going to be much of a Seder for me, either, this year. I'm still too sore (surgery last week) to be traveling to the community Seder on the other side of the island. So my mom (visiting from Philadelphia to care for newly single son) and the Honolulu pediatrician who's been covering my practice and I will have a small Seder. We did find Manischewitz wine and matzah and macaroons (gotta have macaroons!) in the Safeway here in Hilo. And this year I'm thankful for my personal deliverance from a house of bondage. One interesting aspect of the Seder is that in retelling the story of the Exodus from Egypt, we are supposed to feel that we ourselves are part of the story, that we ourselves become free people on this night. Since I was a child, I've always marveled at the mystery and the reality of that feeling. Thanks, Kat, and everyone else, for your good wishes. Neo, don't forget that you can make (almost) real cake from matzah flour and egg white and who knows what else, though it still is a little, er, binding. And Chocolate Pi, I hope you find your Seder. I know how it feels to be away from home at this time. We'll hold the door open for you in spirit -- you are welcome. Shaloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Little Neophyte Date: 19 Apr 00 - 07:03 AM Gut yuntif Mark, Good to hear mom has come to nourish her adored son back to health. You are a fortunate newly single man. I use to go out with the guy who was doing his residency in opthamology at the Toronto hospital when I use to work there. He lived near the hospital and his mother would come to leave him freshly washed & folded clothing at the end of his bed freshly made bed, home-made food in his clean fridge and a spotless apartment vacumed & dusted. You could eat off the floor. I just feared mom would find no woman could do the job right. Well, I do do hope you are having a fast recover. Having family & friends around to help can be the best medicine. I never noticed a synogogue when I was in Pahoa. Saw almost everything else there you could imagine but not that. You can also make 'To Die For' matzoh brownies. I wonder if hash is kosher for Passover? Get well soon, Little Neo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: GUEST,Allan S. Date: 19 Apr 00 - 12:24 PM A food warning for passover--- Never eat charoset and chopped liver at the same time. You could end up with CHAROSET OF THE LIVER Sorry that's the only passover joke I know. But too good to let pass over. OY Just finished making the chopped liver to take to my daughter's house tonight.The secret from my wifes aunt, fry 7/8 of the onions chop the last 1/8 and put it in raw. A very happy Passover to every one, and if you are alone feel free to take a sip of the wine we will leave out for Elija. I will refill the cup. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: katlaughing Date: 19 Apr 00 - 12:37 PM More stories of the holiday itself, please, please! My twin grandsons are named Akira and Elijah. Not for any religious reasons, just because they liked the names; similarly my daughter is Jerusha, a Hebrew name. I would love to know more about "leaving wine out for Elija." Could we have an eight day storytelling of Passover on this thread, along with the recipes (what does a vegetarian do?) and songs? Mark, glad to hear your mom is there! Is "Shaloha" your own contraction of "Shalom/Aloha" or is it Hebraic? It is beautiful. Thanks! kat (lower case "k", please, as there is already a "Kat" registered here.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Chocolate Pi Date: 19 Apr 00 - 04:19 PM Well, campus Hillel denied all knowledge of signing me up for a home seder, but put me on the list for the big communal one, so at least I'll have somewhere to go. "Shaloha" was used as the 'theme' of the excessive double bat mitzvah my cousin (from Honolulu) and her cousin (from Detroit) (other side of the family) had. It involved a party with balloons of tropical fish and snowflakes, lots of relatives who all look alike and have the same names, more pickeled herring than I ever hope to see again, and great-aunts who asked if I had "found myself a nice Jewish boy yet." Leaving wine out for Elijah: the prophet goes around to every household, and when the children open the doors he comes in and takes a sip of the wine; it goes down as everyone watches it. Songs: Eliahu, Dayenu, Let My People Go. My family always does "There is a Man Come into Egypt," "Dona Dona," "The Kid"(title? a cumulative song about the father going to market to buy a goat, which gets eaten by something and then the dog chases the cat and the stick beats the dog and the fire burns the stick and ... and then the Angel of Death,with his ten thousand eyes comes and kills the butcher, and Gd sends an angel down which blows one puff of air and slays the Angel of Death). Chocolate Pi (who should write that paper on Marx now so that she doesn't have to worry about the seder running late) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Apr 00 - 04:57 PM Mrs. Lev had us over for an early seder last night, and it was delightful. It was also the first chance I've had to introduce my new sweetie to Mrs. Lev. Mrs. Lev gave her blessing, even though Arlene didn't eat the gefilte fish. Mrs. Lev, by the way, learned to play guitar from none other than Mudcatter Frank Hamilton. So did another woman I sing with. Small world, isn't it? Happy Pesach, everyone! -Joe Offer- For a special Passover treat, take a look at Uncle Eli's Passover Haggadah, paying special attention to The Four Questions, in the style of Dr. Seuss.
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Hollowfox Date: 19 Apr 00 - 05:58 PM One of my happiest memories is the time I was invited to a girlfriend's family's seder. This was in New York city, in the shadow of the George Washington Bridge (that's the northern tip of Manhattan Island, in what's now Spanish Harlem, I believe. They've lived there a long time.) The holiday was simultaneously informal, moving, and delicious. May we all have such a good holiday this year (whichever one(s) you choose). Your meshugana shicksa, Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mark Cohen Date: 19 Apr 00 - 09:44 PM C.P.,hope you found your Seder. The song is "Chad Gadyah". One of many Passover songs (and other prayers) that is not in Hebrew, but Aramaic, the vernacular language of Israel 2000 or so years ago. Pesach, or Passover, is possibly the oldest, and certainly one of the most important, of the Jewish festivals. I don't know all the scholarship, but like many festivals in many cultures, it incorporates religious, agricultural, and possibly prehistoric and "pre-religious" aspects. It is the spring festival, and the festival of freedom, as it commemorates the deliverance of the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt. The number four figures prominently in the Seder: 4 cups of wine, 4 questions, 4 types of children asking about the holiday. The word "Seder" means "order", as there is a series of prayers and rituals that dates from the Middle Ages. But the holiday is one that is supposedly oriented toward children ("And you shall tell your child on that day..." And as all of us kids know, the most important ritual is "Shulchan Orech" -- the table is spread! After that come more cups of wine and more songs, but we're all asleep by then... I'd love to add more, but I'm stuck at home on a cellular connection. Maybe this weekend I'll get into the office and talk story some more. Thanks, Joe, for the link -- I can't wait to see those Four Questions! Oh, and "Shaloha" is courtesy of the congregation on the other side of the island, Kona Beth Shalom. It seems to fit nicely. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: GUEST,Daithí Date: 19 Apr 00 - 11:12 PM Máith thú a h-Aonnraoí |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mark Cohen Date: 21 Apr 00 - 08:12 PM Joe, I finally got to see Uncle Eli's Passover Haggadah. What a wonderful site -- thanks so much for finding it! I read in one of the news clips that the online version has been pared down substantially, so as to encourage sales of the book version that's just been published, but the full website will be reinstated after the holiday. I'm definitely going to look for the book. I hope that next year I'll be able to be with my daughter for the Seder; at six, Uncle Eli's book will be just right for her. Little Neo, when were you in Pahoa? No, there's no synagogue there, (nor anywhere on the Big Island, though there is one enjoyable congregation that unfortunately is a two- hour drive from me), but you'll still find people who would consider hemp derivatives to be kosher. My mom did well dealing with the geckoes that have the run of my house, and it really was good having her there, after years of strained relations engendered by my soon-to-be-ex. Thanks for your good wishes. And a happy Pesach to everyone who wants it, ditto for happy Easter, and happy spring to all. (Oh, that's right, happy autumn to you folks way down South.) Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Little Neophyte Date: 21 Apr 00 - 08:30 PM Mark I wrote you a personal message about the whole story of me being in Pahoa right after you told your story about how you were going to pretend you were someone who knew the guy in the post office that had something to do with your exwife or someone's exwife and was going to play a practical joke on him. Or am I getting the story straight? And I told you how I was on the Big Island in November and how macadamia nuts are cheaper and taste just as fresh bought in Canada. And how I took some lava rocks from the Island and felt so guilty by the time I got home that I would have very bad things happen to me from the wrath of the Goddess Peli and so I mailed all my rocks back to the Godmother Restaurant in Pahoa. I sent the rocks there because I figured if the Godmother put that much care in making such delicious food she fed me, then I figured she would take sympathy on my lava rock dilema I was now facing. Don't asked what it cost to send those lava rocks back to Hawaii. I took a lot of rocks! Anyway, I get a letter back from the Godmother who tells me she put the lava rocks in the backyard at the restaurant and has been pouring gin over them every month and would continue doing so for 6 months because Goddess Peli likes gin. So I promise next time I am on the Big Island never, never, never to take lava rocks again. Little Neo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mark Cohen Date: 21 Apr 00 - 09:04 PM Sorry, Neo, I remember now but can't seem to find the message. While Godmother's pizza is not kosher for Passover (there, so much for thread creep!), the legend about Pele bringing woe and misery to those who take rocks off the island, was actually started by a ranger in the Park back in the 60s; it's all very amusingly documented in a book called, I believe, "Letters to Pele", that's sold there. And the reason people give gin to Pele is that the old Hawaiians used to give her offerings of local berries that resemble juniper berries. And you can't get mac nuts any fresher than the ones that you can pick off the ground in my orchard. But I guess you'll have to take my word on that one! :) Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mark Cohen Date: 21 Apr 00 - 09:37 PM Just got this forwarded from my sister in Massachusetts. Seems to fit right in with the 'Cat. Hi everyone, If you haven't seen these floating around the net yet...enjoy! Chag Sameach, Marcy
THERE'S NO SEDER LIKE OUR SEDER (Sung to the tune of "There's No Business like Show Business")
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: katlaughing Date: 21 Apr 00 - 10:06 PM Those are great, Mark! It's fun to read of all the goings back and forth of you and LilNeo and those rocks; guess I'd better give mine some gin, or do ya think wine would do, I've got a lot of Pele fire in me.*BG* Also enjoyed the history and definitions. Forgive me an ignorant question, does Pesach commemorate the deliverance from Masada(sp)? I read a book about it, years ago, but I don't recall the details. I have a wonderful book, The Metaphysical Bible Dictionary which bases its meaning on direct translation of the ancient Aramaic, of which you speak. Very interesting. Don't tax your cellphone; that gets expensive! Merry Times, everyone! It's also almost May Day/Beltane! kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mark Cohen Date: 21 Apr 00 - 10:34 PM No, kat, Masada was much later. Pesach commemmorates the events in the second book of the Bible, Exodus (Sh'mot, or "Names", in Hebrew), after Joseph went down into Egypt and the Hebrews became successful, "there arose a king who knew not Joseph", I believe it was Ramesses but I may be wrong. Somewhere around 4,000 years ago, I believe, but don't quote me. Egyptians, not Romans. Here's another interesting bit. The Hebrew word for Egypt, Mitzrayim, is derived from a Hebrew word meaning limit or enclosure. The rabbis say that we should feel the retelling of the story as an opportunity to escape whatever encloses us and prevents us from reaching our full potential. Thanks again, kat, for starting this enjoyable thread. Happy Easter/spring/MayDay/Beltane to you. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Rick Fielding Date: 21 Apr 00 - 10:41 PM Well, I sure didn't know that Passover was when students gave gifts to the guitar/banjo teacher.....so was I AMAZED when Michael K gave me a brand new JVC "DUAL TAPEDECK!!!" and then Banjo Bonnie brought over a "COMPLETE PASSOVER MEAL!!" (with NO ONIONS!) I'm dumbfounded and greatful to have the kind of friends I do. Whew! OyVay! Looks like if I ever DO get religious, Judaism's got a head start! Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Little Neophyte Date: 21 Apr 00 - 11:17 PM But the big question Rick.....have you been circumcised? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: katlaughing Date: 22 Apr 00 - 01:19 AM LMAO! LilNeo, good one! Oh, Rickeeee...don't forget to give us earthlovers/druids/pagans/wiccans a chance, too....we don't care about your appendages being altered.**BG** Mark, thank you for the clarification. I am really enjoying this very much. I leant that book out that I'd mentioned, but I really, really enjoy learning more about the esoteric meaning of words and their origins. Wanna talk kabbala?*G* luvyamyfriends...kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: MK Date: 22 Apr 00 - 01:24 AM Perhaps we can arrange for the "Moyul" from the Seinfeld episode! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Joe Offer Date: 22 Apr 00 - 05:33 AM Say, Kat - do the earthlovers/druids/pagans/wiccans have kneidlach soup and gefilte fish? If not, I think I'll keep my yarmulke on, at least for this week. Mazel tov. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Apr 00 - 07:02 AM Well my word.......Brother Rick scores real big don't he? Look gang, Ol Spaw used to work for a kosher catering service, is one real fine kinda' guy, and could USE any number of JVC products AND a good meal.......so where does this goyboy sign up for the largesse? Hellfire, I'm already eat up with guilt...PLUS, I done BEEN circumsized so I figure I'm all set!!! But if Rick wants to go the Judaism route, I will be happy to send THIS and my only request is that the camera included be put to use and the pix published here at the 'Cat! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Rick Fielding Date: 22 Apr 00 - 12:16 PM OK goys, gals and shiksas, put away the knives. This boy has always avoided "clip joints" of ANY persuasion. No more "cutting remarks" or "slice of life" stories allowed. If you've got any more "hot tips" for me, keep 'em to yourself. Naturally I was afraid that Catspaw might see this thread and turn it into something unfit for (passover) dinner conversation, and of course I was right. The mensch is incorrigible, and is probably slumped in front of his computer plotzing over his putz humour. Truth is, because of my rather prominent schnozz, wickedly brilliant wit, ironic outlook on life, exceptionally anglisized name (Fielding might have been changed from Feldman) and uncanny ability to imitate Jackie Mason, I've often FELT Jewish. Now if I could just summon up the nerve to take out the "bris" blade on my Swiss Army knife and... Nahhh, I don't have enough material to play the Catskills. I'll just stick to worshipping Woodie Allan movies. Moishe Fielding |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: MK Date: 22 Apr 00 - 04:53 PM There are many days Rick, I feel like "Broadway Danny Rose". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Mark Cohen Date: 22 Apr 00 - 08:46 PM Rick, I promise not to tell any Mohel jokes, as long as you've heard the one about the wallet. (There, that oughta fix 'em!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Apr 00 - 08:47 PM Hey there are day's I feel like Portnoy too, granted though I have never whacked off in a piece of liver, but uh, is that important?.......Hellfire, I even had a cousin who hung himself with a note atached to his shirt which said, "I did it. I admit it. I killed Christ. Signed, Morty." Now that's guilt. So where's my food? Where's the tapedeck? I mean like, where's the love for the Buckeye? Spaw (All kidding aside, those were wonderful thoughts and gifts you guys!!! Rick, you are I'm sure honored and justly so...but I'm sure as much by the friendship as the gesture) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: MK Date: 22 Apr 00 - 09:04 PM Thanks 'Spaw. (Truth be known he sorely needed a new deck, and I also wanted to make sure any original taped arrangements I brought over for him to hear, sounded accurate, instead of everything phasing in and out and sounding like *Wayne Newton singing Danke Shane, on PCP.) (No offense to Wayne Newton fans.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: Little Neophyte Date: 22 Apr 00 - 09:07 PM Michael K., what you did was a wonderful generous offering from your heart. Little Neo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Have a Happy Passover! From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Apr 00 - 11:58 PM Yeah, yeah, yeah.......But where's the love for the freak? Look guys, Rick found me a nice gift over on the "E-Bay vs. Local Music Store" thread and its only $11.49!!! If its a requirement, I'll even go by some liver and uh......... Spaw |