is folk music a drag?

Subject: is folk music a drag?
From: 53
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 03:43 PM

is folk music a drag compared to country and rock and roll? answers at 11.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 04:00 PM

Judging by the number of men in dresses at Towersey and Sidmouth this summer, I'd say the answer has to be yes...

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: ddw
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 04:03 PM

I wasn't at Towersey ro Dismouth, but I thought the guys in dresses were just the Morris dancers.......*BG*

david

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: John Routledge
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 04:32 PM

Always beware men who are comfortable in dresses.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Cllr
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 04:47 PM

Geordie is that from personal experiance.

Cllr

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: DougR
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 05:00 PM

Uh, 53, I have a feeling this thread is not headed into the direction you envisioned, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: GUEST,12 Step Cure
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 05:22 PM

53 starts threads that are so brainless that they have no direction. This one is no different. It seems to me that 53 is trying for some sort of record at thread starting or he is addicted to the sound of his very few words. Take the cure 53.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:03 PM

What kind of guitars do drag artists who play folk music play?

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:03 PM

*gnnngh* if you see what I mean?

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: John Routledge
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:07 PM

Absolutely Cllr.:0)

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:12 PM

Gosh no, david, the Morris dancers' outfits were some of the more conservative there!

Geordie- sounds like you're in denial..?

ok, who's up for it?

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Noreen
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:18 PM

Don't know, Dai- tell us, what kind of guitars do they play?

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Justa Picker
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:18 PM

I'll bet they're great cross pickers!

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 06:56 PM

It is for rappers. Matter of fact, that seems to work both ways...

- LH

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:18 PM

53 -if you dont like folk music you should not come here, you should GO AWAY and not make daft threads that nobody like.john PS this is folk music website, people comimg here like folk music, I like it it is nice it tells a story about history and tradition.go away.john

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Snuffy
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:25 PM

What sort of guitar do you play John? bob

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:27 PM

Sometimes it's hard to be a woman...

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Snuffy
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:30 PM

Definitely coffee on the keyboard, Kevin

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 07:35 PM

What kind of guitar do you have to play to spill coffee in taht way?

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Sorcha
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 09:24 PM

53, is that your age or IQ? You really oughta sell when you hit 53 1/4............if that is really the way you feel, you can go play in another sand box.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: 53
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 10:13 PM

nope , don't think so.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: 53
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 10:50 PM

sorcha, who died and made you god?

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Oct 01 - 11:05 PM

God, probably; with any luck, the one that played guitar.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:11 AM

53, Nobody died.

You have stated your own position here more than once, not least with this thread. You dug your own grave so don't whine at me.

Sorcha, godESS, not god. Floppy parts up top. Goodbye now.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: DougR
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:24 AM

McGrath: I was going to let your post pass, but I just can't resist. How does it feel to be a woman? :>)

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: GUEST,Ace
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:30 AM

It's actually a valid question, and my answer is yes - and no. Folk music has great potential to be extremely boring, particularly where it's about tradition for the sake of tradition - "if it ain't how it were done in my day, I don't like it". Folk opens up and becomes vibrant where new ideas are fused to and added to the tradition. Folk isn't just about tradition, otherwise it's a dead artform. Go the innovators and tradition breakers.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: 53
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:42 AM

my apologies to all, i didn't mean to get everybody's bowels in a uproar. sorry bob.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:46 AM

What kind of guitar does God play?

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 11:46 AM

<GRIN>

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Cllr
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 12:26 PM

Sometimes its Hard to feel a woman. I mean I've been slapped a few times by woman for that but I suppose that is, at least, a form of physical contact. I mean you go for what you can get, right? Cllr- (what guitar does God play? A Gibson of course.)

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: John Routledge
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:48 PM

Cllr. Have you been slapped for feeling a man? I think we should be told.GB

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:49 PM

Sorry I hurt you, Cllr... *grin*

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 01:55 PM

A drag?

Well.. it depends on your definition of 'folk' music... and whether or not you're one of those wankers who cares about definitions at all...

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: DougR
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 02:12 PM

53: I think it's a valid question. Perhaps your use of the word "drag" in the title is questionable but other than that, I'm a bit surprised you haven't had more serious posts made. It could be because the subject of Folk Music (what it is, is not, etc.) has been discussed so much on the forum.

DougR

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: John Routledge
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 02:17 PM

Exactly DougR

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 02:19 PM

No, folk music is not a drag. But some folk singers sure as hell are! I'll leave 53 to sort it out.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: The_one_and_only_Dai
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 03:04 PM

On a serious note, Don, I think you've hit the nail on the head. But that's the very essence of folk music, in the greater part - that its roots are by definition bound up with people who are not professional, nor even very good, performers. What is more important to chaps and chapesses who are at the very foundation of what folk song in particular is about, is the story first, and the music second.

I hope I've redeemed my flip postings above, but in my defence the question was posted in a bit of a lame way...

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Fortunato
Date: 22 Oct 01 - 03:37 PM

IMHOP (ok, I'm 55 years old) Rock n Roll is dead and I've been to the grave and seen the ghosts (some of them email me). Country music is either dead or in Bransom on Geritol, except in pockets where some of us are still playing Ernest Tubb in a 'folk-revival' way.

Is Folk a drag? Well, this past weekend, (as in many places and times around the world) at a Folklore Society weekend people shared with all of us an wide range of genres. What was common to the oldtime country, celtic harp, sea shanties, tin pan alley, show tunes, ballads and newly composed songs, etc.?

We came together because of a love for music and brought with us the music we loved. We are the 'folk' in folk music, and the music is any damn music we want to play. Is it a drag? Not from the inside looking out.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Stev
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 12:18 AM

Townes Van Zant said there's only two types of music - blues and zipideedoodah. I'll buy that.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Grab
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 08:48 AM

"Compared to rock'n'roll"? Check out Little Richard, we surely can't be _more_ in drag. Or Michael Jackson. Or Marc Bolan.

What kind of guitars do drag artists who play folk music play? Ones with built-in pickups, obviously! It looks real, but underneath it's not...

Graham.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 04:31 PM

Is folk music a drug???? What sort of question is that? Of course it is. That is why it is taxed! (See threads on PEL's and PRS for further details)

If it was not taxed it would probably be banned. But I like M&M's better than Smarties and think that Madonna should have been sent off as well.

Sometimes it's hard to be a man as well (But not often lately...;-))

And to make the thread completely sensible go to Swinton Folk Festival (Manchester, UK) and have your sense of humour serviced!

Cheers

Dave the Gnome

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: kendall
Date: 23 Oct 01 - 07:45 PM

Definition of folk music...Heavy Mental.

If one is not inclined to use his/her head for something besides a hat rack, folk can be dull. However, if you like to learn as well as be entertained, folk music. Period.

If your head is nothing more than a knot to keep your back bone from ravelling, folk is not for you. Take up that mindless clap trap called rap.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: GUEST,ghost
Date: 24 Oct 01 - 04:10 PM

no

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: Stev
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 09:35 AM

hey ghost don't leave us hangin by a thread. Come right out and tell us all you feel.

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 12:41 PM

Kendall, ever hear the rap song "Dear Mama" by slain rapper Tupac Shakur? From Me Against The World from 1995

Dear Mama

When I was young, me and my mama had a beef
Seventeen-years old kicked out on the streets
Though back at the time, I never thought I'd see her face
Ain't a woman alive that could take my mama's place
Suspended from school; and scared to go home
I was a fool with the big boys, breakin all the rules
I shed tears with my baby sister
Over the years we was poorer than the other little kids
And even though we had different daddies, the same drama
When things went wrong we'd blame mama
I reminice on the stress I caused, it was hell
Huggin on my mama from a jail cell
And who'd think in elementary
I'd see the penitentiary one day?
And runnin from the police, that's right
Mama catch me, put a whoopin' to my backside
And even as a crack fiend, mama
You always was a black queen, mama
I finally understand
For a woman it ain't easy tryin' to raise a man
You always was committed
A poor single mother on welfare, tell me how ya did it
There's no way I can pay you back
But the plan is to show you that I understand
You are appreciated

Lady...
Don't cha know we love ya? Sweet lady
Dear mama
Place no one above ya, sweet lady
You are appreciated
Don't cha know we love ya?

Now ain't nobody tell us it was fair
No love from my daddy cause the coward wasn't there
He passed away and I didn't cry
Cause my anger wouldn't let me feel for a stranger
They say I'm wrong and I'm heartless, but all along
I was lookin for a father, but he was gone
I hung around with the Thugs, and even though they sold drugs
They showed a young brother love
I moved out and started really hangin'
I needed money of my own so I started slangin'
I ain't guilty 'cause, even though I sell rocks,
It feels good puttin' money in your mailbox
I love payin' rent when the rent's due
I hope ya got the diamond necklace that I sent to you
Cause when I was low you was there for me
And never left me alone because you cared for me
And I could see you comin' home after work late
You're in the kitchen tryin to fix us a hot plate
Ya just workin with the scraps you was given
And mama made miracles every Thanksgivin'
But now the road got rough, you're alone
You're tryin to raise two bad kids on your own
And there's no way I can pay you back
But my plan is to show you that I understand
You are appreciated

Pour out some liquor and I reminsce, cause through the drama
I can always depend on my mama
And when it seems that I'm hopeless
You say the words that can get me back in focus
When I was sick as a little kid
To keep me happy there's no limit to the things you did
And all my childhood memories
Are full of all the sweet things you did for me
And even though I act crazy
I gotta thank the Lord that you made me
There are no words that can express how I feel
You never kept a secret, always stayed real
And I appreciate, how you raised me
And all the extra love that you gave me
I wish I could take the pain away
If you can make it through the night there's a brighter day
Everything will be alright if ya hold on
It's a struggle everyday, gotta roll on
And there's no way I can pay you back
But my plan is to show you that I understand
You are appreciated

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Oct 01 - 01:49 PM

Good lyrics! Now, if they would present this sort of thing with a melody, instead of that monotonous drone style that is typical of rap...

Subject: RE: is folk music a drag?
From: GUEST,ghost
Date: 26 Oct 01 - 02:39 PM

I enjoy a great deal of what I consider folk music. Primitive stuff is of particular interest to me. It has influenced me as a performer and while I don't consider myself a preservationist in my performance approach, I draw on many aspects of traditional folk performers and their style of delivery whenever I perform.

Does that help Stev?