your favorite major protest songwriter?

Subject: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,Picket Line Patty
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 09:09 AM

who is your favorite major protest songwriter?

mine is pete seeger.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Midchuck
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 09:29 AM

David Allen Coe.

Peter.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: AndyG
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 10:25 AM

Leon Rosselson

AndyG

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: mousethief
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:25 AM

Bruce Cockburn.

Alex
O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Catrin
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:39 AM

Bob Dylan

Cheers,

Catrin

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Catrin
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:48 AM

And Woody Guthrie

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Bert
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:52 AM

Tom Glazer

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Dharmabum
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:54 AM

Phil Ochs

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: pastorpest
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:55 AM

Eric Bogle

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:55 AM

I'll go with Bob Dylan and Bruce Cockburn.

As I said in that other thread, most of what Dylan writes contains strong elements of protest, as he constantly questions the status quo, rails against the phoniness of the entertainment business and society in general, and points out in no uncertain terms the decadence that is all around us.

Buffy Sainte-Marie is also an extraordinary protest singer.

And Eric Bogle is pretty notable as well.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: hesperis
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 11:57 AM

Little Hawk.

Oh, and Bob Dylan, too. (Oops! Blew my cover...)

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Edi
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:03 PM

Don't forget Jim Croce (only the good die young ...)

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: sophocleese
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:17 PM

Johnny Rotten.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GospelPicker (inactive)
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:22 PM

King David from the Bible... He wrote many songs about the hardships that people face and pointed the way to hope through a relationship with God.

...also Jim Croce and Seeger and Dylan and Guthrie... and Miss Sainte-Marie (she's native like half of me is.)

GospelPicker @:()[+]

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:32 PM

GospelPicker - King David is an interesting example...I will have to reread those sections of the Bible and see what you're referring to.

The wings of the hawk send you a wave...and good medicine to you, my friend, along the red road.

LH

Hesperis - a BIG HUG to you! ( ( ( hespy ) ) )

Sophocleese - Johnny Rotten? Really? Well, that's kinda cool, I guess. You'll have to play some of that for me sometime, cos I don't really know much about it.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:36 PM

Bob Dylan protesting phoney? Your not serious?

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: mousethief
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 12:50 PM

Does Martin Luther count? He wrote songs and was a Protest...ant.

A mighty fortress is our God,
A bulwark never failing...

grins,
Alex
O..O
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Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 01:02 PM

I don't like protest songs...not that I've heard many. It gets REALLY old after a few songs. But the Mighty Mighty Bosstones do have some good protest songs, sort of, like anit-drug songs, songs against bigotry, and songs about killers who get theirs in the end. I think Rage Against The Machine is also pretty protest-y, but I'm not that familiar with any of their songs except "Bulls On Parade" about (I believe) the Cheopas (however it's spelled) region of Mexico.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: hesperis
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 01:08 PM

Yeah, Rage Against the Machine! I particularly love one song of theirs about the uselessness of school. I really need to pick up that album - haven't heard the song in over 3 years.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,Major Major
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 01:13 PM

I've looked into all of your answers and come to the conclusion that the only possible answer is LITTLE HAWK.

Of all of these protest songwriters, Little Hawk is the only one who actually refers to himself as a "major protest songwriter."

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: hesperis
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 01:26 PM

GUEST Major Major - Are you repeating yourself?
Or do you just have a strange sense of humour?

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,Yossarian
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 01:36 PM

Guess you're not old enuf to remember Joseph Heller?

Billy Ed Wheeler wrote a few good 'topical' songs as well.

I particularly love one song of theirs about the uselessness of school. Been done before & better by Pink Floyd- let's hear it for IGNORANCE!!!

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: hesperis
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 01:54 PM

"old enuf" - nope.
"IGNORANCE!" - yep. (But mostly memory loss on my part.)

Pink Floyd is a really cool band too.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: wildlone
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 02:11 PM

eric bogle

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 02:17 PM

I wouldn't have thought of Johnny Rotten, but yes, he gets my vote. "God Save The Queen" and Anarchy In the U.K." are a couple of no holds barred protest songs.

And another vote for Mr. Zimmerman.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 02:23 PM

Okay, GUEST, MAJOR MAJOR ...I see that I may have inadvertently offended your sensibities, so I had best explain my use of the word "major" in the original posting that led to all this...

It's a sort of a slang term around here...what I meant was that I am MAJORLY into protest songs...I like them a lot, and I write them a lot. I didn't mean that I have some sort of exalted ranking in the field...I'm not well known enough to have achieved that. I am pretty darn good at it though...

So, pardon me if that rankled with you...I was just indicating my level of enthusiasm, that's all.

As in saying "I am a major Bob Dylan fan" which I am.

Okay?

- LH

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,Major Major
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 02:39 PM

Well LH, thanks for the clarification. Since you called yourself "a major protest songwriter," I thought you considered yourself a major protest songwriter.

I'm relieved to know that you are just "MAJORLY into protest songs" and that your are, in your own words, "pretty darn good at."

I have a question, though. What does "majorly" mean? I've looked in the Webster and Oxford dictionaries and neither includes "marjorly" as a word.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: DougR
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 02:40 PM

Irving Berlin DougR

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: TonyK
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 03:36 PM

Roy Zimmerman, formerly of The Foremen, whose cd 'Folk Heroes' was one of the most poignantly witty works I've heard since Tom Lehrer.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 03:38 PM

You're right about Pink Floyd, hesp! I think "Us & Them" is just an awesome song...it fits in perfectly with the story & ideals of the ABC Club in Les Miserables.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 03:59 PM

Oh! What about the band Midnight Oil? They had lots of protest songs. Then there's "We're Not Gonna Take It" by Twisted Sister. A protest song everyone can agree with!

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Pejotka
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 05:42 PM

Eric Bogle, Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs, Ewan Mc Coll, Walter Mossmann, Beranger, Tu Fu, Manne Friedrich

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Hollowfox
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:05 PM

Utah Phillips and Si Kahn

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: hesperis
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:12 PM

"Majorly" is slang for "in a major way" or "in a big way". At least, here in Ontariario, Canadadada. (It's not very grammatical, but it's not supposed to be.) I say "majorly" a lot, and I think the Hawkster picked it up from me or something.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Mbo
Date: 25 Sep 00 - 06:14 PM

It's a California thing too, hesp. As in "Dude, I'm like majorly bummed out!"

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GeorgeH
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:33 AM

Roy Bailey, Dick Gaughan, Martin Carthy, Rob Johnson, Colum Sands . . (to add a few to the list). Which Dylan comes WAY down, IMO . . (most of his stuff - with some very notable exceptions - is very low-level protest)

G.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GeorgeH
Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:35 AM

Oops, I was thinking Singer rather than writer; delete Roy from that list!

G.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Lena
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 12:31 AM

De Andre',De Gregori....and whoever wrote that South America song going"E tu,querida presencia,Comandante Che Guevara"...which my mother sang me as a lullaby for amny years-sorry,Lena's family is a traditionally very comunist one.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 02:42 AM

Hasta la victoria siempre.

LH

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Susan A-R
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 10:07 PM

Victor Jara, Pete seeger, Leon Rosselson, Utah Phillips, Phil Ochs, Tom Paxton, Woodie, Buffie St. some Fred Small, Marie, John McCutcheon, I don't know, it's a long list. I guess I prefer "topical" rather than "protest"

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: tgreenie
Date: 27 Sep 00 - 11:19 PM

Stephen Foster, Jimmie Rodgers, and Joe Hill.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,andy mööer
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 06:18 AM

billy bragg and Ani Difranco

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 08:47 AM

Did I not once see Ewan Macoll? For a Brit, he'd be mine As a Yank, Phil Ochs, Victor Jara comes to mind. Malvina Reynolds is surely in the top 10. I once heard a Micmac Indian singer whom I never heard the name of, but he made most of the Canadian protest singers pale by comparison. (Keep your mouth shut 'Spaw. If I can't go for the cheap joke, you can't either.)

But if I had to pick one, Ewan Macoll.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:05 AM

I can't stand to listen to "Oldies" stations anymore. Their playlist is always only 2 songs away from "Un-#@%%^&-chained Melody" a mediocre song before the mediocre 15yr old movie re-popularized it (and as a guy who makes his living with his hands in clay, I can tell you that Demi Moore and Patrick Swayzee better have gotten into the SHOWER BEFORE THEY GOT IN BED 'cause clay is not yer dream lubricant if you get my drift) and when they're not playing "Unchained", the only other song on the playlist is "Old Time Rock and Roll" (From another mediocre movie). Now I LIKE Bob Seeger's music, and the Righteous Bros...well I LIKE Bob Seeger's music--But every time I tune in?????

Anyway, the rant merely to introduce that I was shocked to tune in and hear "Fortunate Son" Fogarty & the gang sure made some great music! (Always wonder whether they'd be popular if introduced today--or would they have to put on cowboy hats and be classified as "country"?)

John

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Amergin
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 01:15 PM

I don't consider most of those folks mentioned to be protest singers....just lovers of the people, in fact if if I remember correctly Pete Seeger hesitated to call his political songs "protest songs", but instead called them "love songs"....and I tend to agree with that assessment....

Amergin

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 01:33 PM

Tom Paxton and Utah Phillips. for dead ones, Woody Guthrie and Phil Ochs

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Fedele
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 03:02 PM

Won't you regard Luke Kelly & Co. as protest songwriters? If you don't, well, try to listen to them a bit more carefully and then think again...

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: bflat
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 04:58 PM

Good choices Kendall, I agree completely. Adding a few women's names to the list: Buffy Sainte-Marie, Peggy Seeger; Holly Neer and credit to Don for listing Malvina Reynolds, my personal female favorite.

bflat

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 06:04 PM

Lets not forget Jean Ritchie (Black water)

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: bbelle
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 06:33 PM

Guthrie, Seeger, Ochs, Paxton, St. Marie, Bogle.

I wouldn't refer to them as "protest songwriters," but "writers of injustice."

just my take ...

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,Fergus Murray
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 07:05 PM

I wrote a song about injustice, specifically the police reaction to the anti-capitalist demonstrations around Whitehall on May Day this year. It is on my web page at: http://fergusmurray.members.beeb.net/maysong.htm

...just in case anyone's interested. I thought someone might like it.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Lena
Date: 28 Sep 00 - 09:41 PM

Hesperis,i told ya that Little Hawk would know that song !!! ;)
Little Hawk,we're all looking for the lyrics of the Che Guevara song,do you have them?!

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Airto
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:06 AM

Here you go, Lena. Another triumph for search engine Google. Typing Comandante Che Guevara brought up a site containing songs about the great man. The site address:

http://spin.com.mx/~hvelarde/cuba/ernesto.che.guevara/canciones

By the way, did you know that Che had an Irish connection? His grandmother was a Lynch, from Co. Galway. I reckon his real name was Shay Kinvara.

Hasta siempre Comandante Carlos Puebla

Aprendimos a quererte desde la histórica altura donde el sol de tu bravura le puso un cerco a la muerte.

Aquí se queda la clara, la entrañable transparencia, de tu querida presencia Comandante Che Guevara.

Tu mano gloriosa y fuerte sobre la historia dispara cuando todo Santa Clara se despierta para verte.

Aquí se queda la clara, la entrañable transparencia, de tu querida presencia Comandante Che Guevara.

Vienes quemando la brisa con soles de primavera para plantar la bandera con la luz de tu sonrisa.

Aquí se queda la clara, la entrañable transparencia, de tu querida presencia Comandante Che Guevara.

Tu amor revolucionario te conduce a nueva empresa donde esperan la firmeza de tu brazo libertario.

Aquí se queda la clara, la entrañable transparencia, de tu querida presencia Comandante Che Guevara.

Seguiremos adelante como junto a ti seguimos y con Fidel te decimos: hasta siempre Comandante.

Aquí se queda la clara, la entrañable transparencia, de tu querida presencia Comandante Che Guevara.

(1965)

Esta canción fue compuesta poco de después de conocerse la carta de despedida del Che.

Subject: Lyr Add: HASTA SIEMPRE COMANDANTE (Carlo Puebla)
From: Airto
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:10 AM

Here you go, Lena. Another triumph for search engine Google. Typing Comandante Che Guevara brought up a site containing songs about the great man. The site address:

http://spin.com.mx/~hvelarde/cuba/ernesto.che.guevara/canciones

By the way, did you know that Che had an Irish connection? His grandmother was a Lynch, from Co. Galway. I reckon his real name was Shay Kinvara.

Hasta siempre Comandante
Carlos Puebla

Aprendimos a quererte
desde la histórica altura
donde el sol de tu bravura
le puso un cerco a la muerte.

Aquí se queda la clara,
la entrañable transparencia,
de tu querida presencia
Comandante Che Guevara.

Tu mano gloriosa y fuerte
sobre la historia dispara
cuando todo Santa Clara
se despierta para verte.

Aquí se queda la clara,
la entrañable transparencia,
de tu querida presencia
Comandante Che Guevara.

Vienes quemando la brisa
con soles de primavera
para plantar la bandera
con la luz de tu sonrisa.

Aquí se queda la clara,
la entrañable transparencia,
de tu querida presencia
Comandante Che Guevara.

Tu amor revolucionario
te conduce a nueva empresa
donde esperan la firmeza
de tu brazo libertario.

Aquí se queda la clara,
la entrañable transparencia,
de tu querida presencia
Comandante Che Guevara.

Seguiremos adelante
como junto a ti seguimos
y con Fidel te decimos:
hasta siempre Comandante.

Aquí se queda la clara,
la entrañable transparencia,
de tu querida presencia
Comandante Che Guevara.

(1965)

Esta canción fue compuesta poco de después de conocerse la carta de despedida del Che.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Airto
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:14 AM

Sorry about the mess I made of the first attempt. At least it worked the second time. Next step will be to master the blue clickies.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Airto
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:20 AM

Click here

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Airto
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:25 AM

Click here

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Airto
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:28 AM

Such class!

The Mudcat teaches you something every day.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GeorgeH
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:28 AM

Amergin, I like your take on this. I suggest you check out Dick Gaughan's "Different Kind of Love Song", which takes the same view. I would guess the words are on his web site:

Click here

G.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GeorgeH
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 08:36 AM

Hey, the blue clicky thing worked. And having checked it I can say that the song "Different kind of love song", words and music, is at:

http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/songs/texts/lovesong.htm or Click Here

G.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 11:50 AM

Let's add Tish Hinojosa, for songs like "Noche Sin Estrellas", and some others on the "Destiny's Gate" album.

A protest singer is one who points out injustices and proposes alternatives, and Tish has certainly done that most effectively.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: hesperis
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 12:11 PM

Thanks very much, Lena and Airto.

Can someone translate that for me? Oh, and post chords, too, please?

I need to learn spanish now.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,Bob P
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 12:24 PM

Am I alone in wanting to protest the phrase that is the subject of this thread?

Should I try to be less sensitive to categorizing?

I can't think of anyone whose music I like whose work doesn't contain some element of "protest".

What lies at the core of folk or blues that doesn't deal with some issue to take issue with?

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: hesperis
Date: 29 Sep 00 - 12:36 PM

Bob P, I take issue with your post. (wry grin)

Seriously though, I would define a "major protest songwriter" as a writer who:

1) Has written several songs with large elements of "protest" and social justice in them,
or
2) Has written at least one song that has had a major impact on the way I or others think about issues of social justice.

Or both.

Songs with just some elements of protest don't count as "major" in my opinion.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 30 Sep 00 - 12:15 PM

Seconded: Tom Paxton (just listen to his 'Politics' album!)and every Scottish name mentioned so far.
Plus: Australia's Judy Small - and what about PEGGY Seeger?

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: Escamillo
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 04:16 PM

Thanks Hesperis for your PM, tonight I'll post the best translation I can do. Since I don't have the chords, will try to find a MIDI for the Che Guevara song. I'm sure it will be easy to find the three simple chords.

Un abrazo libertario :) - Andrés

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: GUEST,Rose
Date: 01 Oct 00 - 10:21 PM

In terms of writing and singing about injustice, I'd cast my vote for Shawn Phillips.

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: kendall
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 08:39 AM

Dave Mallett wrote in regard to the baby seal slaughter on the ice floes of Newfoundlad... "And mothers your babies keep grand ladies warm
As they stand on verandas at dusk
It's too bad we killed them before they could swim
But you know that the whole world was given to us..."

Subject: RE: your favorite major protest songwriter?
From: TonyK
Date: 02 Oct 00 - 03:10 PM

Kendall, what is the name of that Dave Mallett song? TK