Player - ist?

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:37 AM

Hi Joe - the spelling was Troise and his Banjoliers. I lewrned Whistling Fufus from a '78rpm and a wind up gramophone a friend had rescued. There is a bit of info about Troise at this link :-
http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090124122940/http://www.nfo.net/cal/tt3.html - scroll down through other artistes.
There are currently a couple of sound recordings on Youtube Minstrel Tunes and Whistling Rufus.
Quack!
Geoff.

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:40 AM

Talking about spelling - don't know what happened to mine! I actually LEARNED WHISTLING RUFUS and not what appears above...
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 07:06 AM

Hurdy-gurdler?

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 08:33 AM

Tromboner!

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Joe Nicholson
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 11:41 AM

Thanks for the link with Troise Geoffe it really took me back.I seem to remember they used to get half an hour airtime at half past three just after Music While You Work

Joe Nicholson

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Tootler
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:39 PM

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mysha - PM
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 01:47 PM

Hi,

M: I have no idea what you find so problematic about my apology for misunderstanding you.
Other than that, indeed, I did give that information mostly from the top of my head, not owning much music-specific reference works, and I would not have done so at all if you hadn't specifically asked me about it. The equivalence between viol and viola da gamba was not mine, but was quoted by The Fooles Troupe, and I understood it to be the intention of your question as you wrote that you knew already.

Anyone else: Could anyone explain what I'm missing here, because in one message this thread has turned sour for me, and I don't even know why?

I understand precisely what Michael MtheGM is getting at and what his problem is.

In normal English usage, the term "viol" is used for any member of the family of six string bowed instruments that are played supported on the lap - or between the knees in the case of larger members of the family.

I agree with his contention that we would expect the player of such an instrument to be referred to as a "violist". You have contended (implicitly rather than explicitly, admittedly) that this term is reserved purely for someone who plays viola. In fact the term is probably correct for players of both instruments and it will depend on context as to which is the case at any particular time. If it's the London Symphony Orchestra then it will be viola; if it's an early music ensemble then it will be viols.

Viola da gamba in common usage refers specifically to the bass viol, usually when played in a baroque ensemble rather than in renaissance one when the term bass viol is commonly used. The viola da gamba was the norm in the early baroque but was gradually replaced by the cello. I have seen "gambist" used to refer to the player of viola da gamba.

As Michael rightly points out there is a range of other viols both with English and Italian names.

I do agree, though, there is considerable scope for confusion as there have been a wide variety of bowed string instruments over the centuries with an even larger variety of names for them.

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 07:14 PM

So you see Mr Happy, what you may think of as a 'simple question' can have overwhelming ramifications to those of us who are 'excessively educated' ... :-)

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 04:57 AM

Let me say that I am very grieved to have caused Mysha distress, or in any way made the thread go 'sour' on him

There were a couple of phrases in his post to me -

("Assuming you're not talking to yourself," --
"did you just not have a reference work handy?")

which I interpreted as somewhat truculent, or at least argumentative, in tone, and replied in what I regarded as an appropriately disputatious fashion. If I over-interpreted his intention, I do sincerely apologise for his finding my response more aggressive than was warranted by the occasion. I have no desire to quarrel seriously with anyone on this forum ~~ I have learnt better over the years!

Pax, then? ~~

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:27 AM

FT,

'So you see Mr Happy, what you may think of as a 'simple question' can have overwhelming ramifications.....'

*********

Nothing's ever 'simple' on Mudcat! 8-)

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:51 AM

In the 50s and 60s (and it may well still be the case) it was the practice in Suffolk to refer to all instruments as a Music; hence 'He yu got yu music wi yu, bo?' simply referred to an instrument, not bits of paper with dots on.
That being so, only one agent noun is required. However please note the noun is not musician, but, as Harry Cox, albeit born north of Diss, would have it - musicianer!

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: GUEST,Young Buchan Cookieless
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:52 AM

Sorry. The above from me.

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 11:44 AM

Mandola?

Crwth?

Crumhorn?

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 12:02 PM

Shawm?

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 12:37 PM

Mornington Crescent!


Sorry, wrong thread :)

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mysha
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 01:30 PM

Hi M,

Gosh,

I just wrote that because you addressed me as M, whilst that is your own nick: M. (the M.G.)

Tootler seems to say that gambist isn't as normal elsewhere as it is for me. If I would have known that, I wouldn't have joked about you not reaching it through the synonym that The Fooles Troupe has mentioned. I was just giving you a way out; You could have confirmed it literally or indeed made a joke out of it.

I just post to add the information that I have; sometimes I ask. I don't post to quarrel or be argumentative, or whatever, communication is difficult enough without that.

Sure, pax, I have no quarrel with you.

Bye,
                                                                Mysha

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE
Mr Happy

Nothing's ever 'simple' on Mudcat! 8-)
UNQUOTE

But some people do seem to have an unconscious talent... :-)

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 03:58 AM

Didgeridoodler?

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 04:52 AM

I remember living in Bundaberg in the 1960s when there was a (comic - April 1) fuss about whether the residents should be called Bundabergians or Bundabergundians.

The latter seemed to be preferred by those who did not wish to sound like some variety of hamburger.

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 09:03 AM

Someone once suggested, might have been myself, that a good name for a spoons player would be PRAT and a Kazoo player Major Prat

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 07:51 AM

Glockenspiel?

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: Max Johnson
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 09:17 AM

I have a soprano cornemuse, but I never play it on the concert stage because:
a) I wouldn't know how to describe what I was, instrumentally speaking, and
2) I'm rubbish at playing it.

It has a lovely sound though.

Subject: RE: Player - ist?
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 08 Apr 11 - 09:47 AM

I have a soprano cornemuse, but I never play it on the concert stage because:
a) I wouldn't know how to describe what I was, instrumentally speaking,

A cornemusement? I really think that's one for the 'cornemuse player' approach. Lovely instruments, must dig mine out from wherever it's got to.