Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 04:43 PM

Joe this is what Keith is referring to in his above post regarding a request he put to you,


Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:47 AM

http://www.mudcat.org/usersearch.cfm?who=GUEST%2CDivis%20Sweeney

Here is the link again Seamus.
Ask someone to help you click and scroll to 18th Sept. 05

Can anyone else explain it to Seamus?
I just can not get him to see.




There is no indication that the Sept 18 "Divis Sweeney" posts were posted by the member named Divis Sweeney, or by Keith of Hertford. They could have been posted by either, I suppose, but I have no proof either way.
      So quite your squabbling, already.
      -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 04:44 PM

It looks like Shambolina is trying to take over this thread. Now's the time to cut him off or close down his other thread. That be the rules moderators.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Your friend
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:00 PM

THE MODERATORS KNOW YOUR IP ADDRESS?!!!!

Can I be the first to apologise to the moderators for all the things I thought I'd got away with? From now on it's all sweetness and light. I'm a reformed character. I love you all!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:01 PM

Ass kisser.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:27 PM

Can't say I know what to do with ass kissing.

It tickles.

-Anonymous Fellow Poster-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:27 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Your friend
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:37 PM

Tastes funny

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 05:41 PM

I KNEW you'd say something like that.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:04 PM

to answer the original question:


well, *I* post under 'almost' my full real name, so if *I* logged out and posted as 'guest', Joe could likely compare IP addresses and know it was Bill Day, whom he knows personally. I have on occasion posted my FULL name ...so a forum search would allow anyone here to drive right to my front door! Same goes for Catspaw, Joe Offer, and many others.

HOWEVER...if someone has never USED a real name, and never stated where they live, and is only known as 'Rumplestiltskin'...EVEN if they are a member, Joe will not know who they are. He can often look up IP numbers and know approximately where they are...(country and, usually, area). This means that repeated postings, even under different names, or NO name, can 'probably' be compared and linked. It could be 23 people using one computer, but that is not common, so in that RARE case when some one needs ro be blocked (or when SPAM posters need to be), Joe or Jeff or Max can usually manage, I'd suppose.

....the real point is-- Whether you are a registered MEMBER or not, no one need know your real name if you don't want them to! The ONLY way for even Joe to get a real name would be to submit a request to the ISP, showing cause why! (Like a serious attack or threat).(this would 'probably' require a warrant)

There are members whose posts I have read for years, and I have almost no idea where they are from...or even if they are male or female.

Me, I don't care....I have opinions, but they are mine, and I am honest & open about them....and if you want to drive up to my door and debate them, I guess you could eventually figure out how.. I suppose that those who have even more extreme positions would prefer that no one be able to track them down...*wry grin* Martin Gibson kinda made sure he was hard to find!

(and I DO know that some of our female members have on occasion been subjected to harassment, and feel more comfortable having a layer of anonymity between themselves and internet idiots!)

Anyway, it has been my experience that you will on average be treated in here similarly to the way you treat others. If YOU are combative and obnoxious and extreme in your views, you'll get appropriate responses......so plan accordingly.

Everyone...have a nice day!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:15 PM

"You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh the thread."

"Shambles, I suggest you leave"

Signed

The Management



G.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:16 PM

You may have missed the following editing comment as it was inserted into an existing post and did not refresh the thread.

Actually, the moderators are here to help primarily with technical problems, not to be babysitters or a police force. Most "offensive language" is ignored, and we expect Mudcatters to ignore minor squabbling.
Stick to the topic, Shambles. If you go off topic and post your usual repetitive propaganda, your message will be moved to the current Shambles garbage thread. As long as you actually discuss with people and address the issues they're talking about, your posts are likely to be left alone.
-Joe Offer-

As your moderators are clearly still under the impression that their purpose is to protect posters from the abusive personal attacks referred to - [which was plainly the topic introduced into this thread by its orignator and to which I was responding on-topic to] – perhaps this latest version of their role should be passed to them? Although the object of this imposed 'moderation' does seem to change......As do your determined attempts to try and prevent this poster from posting my views on the same basis as other posters.

[PM] Bert BS: Censorship on Mudcat (1009* d) RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat 06 Feb 05

The only censorship on Mudcat is to delete deliberate personal attacks. If you are the victim of any other kind of censorship send a PM to Joe, Max, Pene or any of the Joe Clones (even me). I assure you that you will receive a reasoned reply.

Well, there are a few other things we delete - racism & hate messages, Spam, copy-paste non-music articles that fill more than one screen - I think that about covers it.
-Joe Offer-

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OK, Shambles, this is the third time you've posted this message - and it's more-or-less the same thing you've said hundreds of times. Does your ability to copy and paste make you feel like a real man, or what? Can't you carry on a discussion like a real human being? What IS your problem? Are you some kind of sociopath who can't interact normally with people? Why can't you carry on a reasonable conversation with other people, instead of just repeating the same thing over and over?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 06:25 PM

Another thread, fucked to death by the moron that is Shambles....

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 07:15 PM

Please see Deleted posts & closed threads

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 07:22 PM

Gee....The same thing posted on two threads. Why am I not surprised?

And in all the drivel we have yet to hear why Sham has not followed Max's polite request to leave.

Trust me ShambyPamby.......At 99.9% of other forums you'd have been gone long ago.

Spaw

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His posts about deletions were moved from this thread to his thread about deletions - one earlier than Spaw's post and one later. I deleted the first, as we do with duplicates. I will continue to do this if he posts it again. [edited] ~JoeClone

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 09:46 PM

Two tokes and I'll be able to understand what you said there, clone.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:21 PM

OK, maybe a few more than two.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 06 - 10:33 PM

"His post about deletions was moved to his thread about deletions. I moved the second one, and deleted the first, as we do with duplicates. I will continue to do this if he posts it again."

OK, work with me on this.

"His [the Shambles] post about deletions [from another thread] was moved to his thread about deletions [deletions are things that have been taken away, either mysteriously (or ostentatiously in this case)]. I [a clone] moved the second one [the one that's here now], and deleted the first [the one that isn't there now but is now here], as we [clones] do with duplicates [but now there are no duplicates]. I will continue to do this [OK] if he posts it [the post that isn't anywhere but here, right?] again."

EUREKA

In plain English, the thing that isn't there anymore is gone. WHEW.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 04:36 AM

Thanks for making my point, Shambles......

You lackwit!

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 06:36 AM

Posters can (try to) ONLY post.

If their post does not appear - and there is no explanation - the obvious thing is to try post to it again, assuming that the fault was theirs or that there was some technical glitch causing this.

For if the post has been 'silently deleted' by some anonymous fellow poster - only they will know this and if they do not inform our forum of this imposed censorship in an editing comment - perhaps the blame for Another thread, fucked to death should be placed at the door of our 'moderators'. Some of whom are anonymous but who are not limited to simply trying to post their honest views on our forum - but feel their role now is to find ways to prevent and restrict this?

Am I also to blame for relegating this thread (with no explanation provided) to the BS section? I seem to be blamed for the duplicate posts in two threads we now see - when I have only tried to post them once to this thread.......

I suggest the following solution that will enable all posters for the first time to be able see and express an informed judgement on the true nature and current level of imposed censorship on our forum. As this is undertaken in their name and in order to protect them.

When our 'moderators' judge any form of imposed action is necessary - for them to ALWAYS provide an explanation in the form of an editing comment and for these to limited to ONLY where some form of imposed action has actually taken place.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 06:43 AM

I seem to be blamed for the duplicate posts in two threads we now see - when I have only tried to post them once to this thread.......

..... knowing full well the restriction you are under (you tell us often enough about it) and what would happen to the posts in question because of that restriction,

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:02 AM

knowing full well the restriction you are under (you tell us often enough about it) and what would happen to the posts in question because of that restriction,

I did not imposes the restriction - I consider that there are no grounds for any form of special treatment to be shown for any poster and I have no idea how this imposed restriction is supposed to work. Either way it does require me to first post to enable the action to take place. If you do not like the effect of this restriction on our forum - then it is hardly fair to blame me for it.

All I can do is continue to try and post my honest views under my own name as I have done on our forum since 1998 - some post stay and others do not.

As there is no indication given in the form of an editing comment for the ones that do not stay - there is no way of knowing the cause.

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: GUEST,Guest, Anonymous or Not?
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:26 AM

To whomever is capable of removing threads at this time,

I respectfully request, as this threads originator, that it be completely deleted and not just closed.

To help answer my own original reason for starting this thread:

I do not know if any or all Guests can be identified and at this point I just do not care anymore because this thread has degraded into something I did not intend.

I am glad it was moved to the BS Section because I would not want the casual visitor to Mudcat to read it because it is not reflective of most of the excellent information available on this site in the Music Section.

Thank you,
Guest, Anonymous or Not?

Subject: RE: Tech: Posting as Guest: Can Joe/Clones ID You
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Sep 06 - 10:38 AM

I respectfully request, as this threads originator, that it be completely deleted and not just closed.

Not too sure there is anything respectful about any poster requesting that the posts of others in a thread are all deleted.

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I think the thread originator is correct in this case. The subject has been discussed, and now it's time to shut it down. Shambles, if you don't want threads like this to be shut down, don't take them over.
-Joe Offer-