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Subject: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Oct 03 - 01:01 PM You know the ones I mean...movies that were deliberately made to cash in on the longhaired phenomenon, and most of them were dreadful, but we trooped out to see them, hoping for a far-out experience in which we could all share a tribal identity together. So, which one do you rate as the absolute WORST???? I remember "Billy Jack", "Easy Rider", "Joe", "Zachariah", "Alice's Restaurant", "The Trial of Billy Jack", "Zabriskie Point", "200 Motels", "Fritz the Cat"... My nomination for WORST is "The Trial of Billy Jack", but "Zacharia" only missed the Big Banana by a hair. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Oct 03 - 01:31 PM "Billy Jack" was made in the early 70's. I actually liked "Billy Jack" but I agree that "The Trial of Billy Jack" was awful. I remember a terrible film about the Hell's Angels that attempted to clean up their image. Littlehawk, you include "Easy Rider" in your WORST films list? I would disagree with that! Remember another film the Fonda & Hopper made called "The Trip"? While we are on the subject, remember that god awful biker film "C.C. and Company" with Joe Namath? Ultimate cheese! How about the Monkee's "Head"? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: M.Ted Date: 29 Oct 03 - 03:08 PM I remember seeing "The Trip" and "The Wild Angels"(a Peter Fonda double feature!) at the drive-in--I really went to watch motorcycles racing to the strains David Allan and the Arrows "Blues Theme", but "The Trip"--In retrospect, it was a great preview of film greatness to come, with Fonda, Bruce Dern, Dennis Hopper, scripts by Jack Nicholson, and Peter Bogdanovich--it has been said that if you add the two, you come up with "Easy Rider"--Haven't seen either in years, though-- Most of the 60's freak films were an embarassment to watch then, and probably make great trash viewing now--Wonder if there are anyt mvies that beat"The Mod Squad"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 29 Oct 03 - 03:19 PM I don't know if this would be considered a "freak" movie, but what about "Love Story". That movie scared the hell out of me!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Oct 03 - 04:42 PM Let me define my use of the term "60's". For the purposes of this thread that term shall indicate a cultural period that lasted from approximately 1963 to 1975, and could generally be distinguished by young people's adherence to a few things: long hair, blue denim, leather, music by Dylan/Beatles/Stones/Hendrix/Joplin/etc, pot smoking, communes, political radicalism and antiwar sentiment. We are to list any important "freak" movie released between the years 1963 to 1975, and it doesn't HAVE to be lousy (although most were). After listing them, nominate your choice for WORST. Here's another one: Wild In The Streets - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Willie-O Date: 29 Oct 03 - 05:04 PM LH, that's the first one you've mentioned that wasn't made in the 70's. A Real 60's movie: "Psych-Out" was pretty impressive. One of a bunch of movies with Jack Nicholson, Bruce Dern and that crowd. What the hell's it about? I don't know, couple of guys wandering through different communes looking for somebody's sister but always having to fight rednecks or be chased over rooftops... In the pre-Star Wars low-budget alternative sci-fi genre, whatever happened to "Idaho Transfer"? Then there's the wildly misogynist "A Boy And His Dog", with a very young but nasty Don Johnson. Apparently the way it worked was that Roger Corman would give them some equipment and let them do whatever they wanted as long as they got it in the can for under $200,000. Which made a bunch of bad movies about nothing much, but was good training for what was to come...Easy Rider, 5 Easy Pieces, Taxi Driver, Dennis Hopper being an evil drug dealer in 273 more movies since then...come to think of it, maybe it wasn't such good training. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Liz the Squeak Date: 29 Oct 03 - 05:16 PM Dunno what time frame it's in, I remember watching it in the late '70's though - 'Night of the Lepus' - giant bunnies ravage a town. Not entirely sure that it's not the film on in the background of a scene in 'The Matrix' - there are definate views of a lot of bunnies bouncing down a road. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 29 Oct 03 - 05:30 PM I probably "saw" a good number of such movies at drive-in theaters, but I was either too stoned or too busy doing other things in the back of the van to even remember their names, much less what they were about. I do sorta remember seeing "The Trip". Bogus! For a real portrayal of someone whacked on psychedelics check out Johnny Depp as Hunter S. Thompson in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas". Not a great movie (in no small part because the screenwriters did almost nothing but copy the book word-for-word) but a great job on Depp's part. Bruce |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL Date: 29 Oct 03 - 05:37 PM Anyone remember "Joanna"? It was, I believe, Donald Sutherland's first film. Not the worst but certainly typical of the time including the interracial love affairs, terrorist activities, super mod clothes, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee Date: 29 Oct 03 - 06:27 PM The movie version of "Hair." "Catch 22" -- which played on anti-war and missed the point of the book completely. I saw a preview for a movie about a motorcycle gang going to Vietnam. I didn't bother seeing the movie. "Green Berets," where a pacifist reporter converts. "The Trip." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee Date: 29 Oct 03 - 06:27 PM I forgot: "Alice's Restraurant." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rustic Rebel Date: 29 Oct 03 - 08:04 PM How about 'Mantis in Lace' about a stripper that does acid and flips out and starts murdering people. 'I love you Alice B. Toklas' with Peter Sellers, he's a burnt out lawyer and goes out one night and gets turned on to special brownies. Now a bad one that comes to mind is 'Barbarella' with Jane Fonda that was a futuristic movie that I don't even remember if it had a story line but I suppose it did!. 'She Devils on Wheels' Another bad one about a women biker club. Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin Date: 29 Oct 03 - 08:10 PM wasnt there a bad movie where the president dumps lsd into the dc water supply? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Willie-O Date: 29 Oct 03 - 08:36 PM I think that's Wild In The Streets, Amergin. Look, almost every single 60's/early 70's movie looks weird and dated and has dialogue that sounds, like, not with it, man. You really have to judge them on their own merits. Alice's Restaurant is not bad, especially considering how bad it could have been. It does a good job of capturing some of the real conflicts that caused most communes to fold, while showing the positive side too. (This movie gets watched a lot in our house because my daughter is a huge Arlo fan). Did you know Arlo owns the church now and it's a community cultural centre? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve Date: 29 Oct 03 - 08:42 PM "Joe", without a doubt one of the worst, most contrived pieces of crap ever made. Peter Boyle and Susan Sarandon are lucky. "Joe" should have destroyed their careers. "Alice's Restaurant" doesn't hold up too well in my memory either, although I did enjoy it at the time. I saw it twice. "Panic in Needle Park" and "Born to Lose" (or was it "Win" with George Segal and Karen Black). Both are in the running for the most depressing movie of all time, with no redeeming characters at all. About the time I saw all of the above, I also saw a movie called "Girlie", a British film that was a variation on "The Most Dangerous Game" with overtones of "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane". I don't know anyone else who saw it, and it's possible I dreamed the whole thing. I liked it, though I'm not sure why. Anyone else remember it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Oct 03 - 01:33 AM Good stuff, folks. NOW we're cookin'. As far as I was concerned, the 60's did not end until 1975, as I said above. Believe me, it was all 60's culture in Toronto till then. Then the price of oil shot through the rood, the economy tanked, Yorkville and the coffeehouse scene died, the music industry decided to shove disco down everybody's throat, and the fabled 60's were over. (sigh) I guess we should definitely include the films "Woodstock", "Altamont", and "Monterrey Pop Festival", as well as maybe David Bowie's first concert movie (Ziggy Stardust?). Although Bowie's glamrock was something new at the time, it was still an extension of the 60's consciousness in many ways. I am really rather thankful that I have never sat through "Love Story". :-) "She Devils On Wheels"???? GAD! How did I miss that? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Oct 03 - 01:40 AM WHOA! Just remembered "The Graduate"! Major counterculture film of the time. That's really what we're after here, folks, counterculture films. "The Graduate" was a rather good one in some respects, although its merits are debatable, and it featured the music of Simon & Garfunkel too. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin Date: 30 Oct 03 - 03:21 AM what about Charlie? based on flowers for algernon about a retarded man who goes through an op to make him smart... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee Date: 30 Oct 03 - 07:32 AM Or "Shenandoah" -- about a family torn apart in the Civil War, the youngest son impressed into the Confederate Army but saved from death when the Yankee who's going to bayonet him turns out to be the Faithful Slave Friend; the daughter is raped and killed after her husband is run through with a saber (I loved his expression!), and the ex-slave and the young boy show up at the church service? Counter-culture, no. Awful? God, yes! Don't forget "The Sterile Cuckoo." "Love Story" -- uck! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: GUEST,Shelley C at work Date: 30 Oct 03 - 08:21 AM I was a bit too young to see them first time round, but have managed to see several since. I think they're all great! But maybe that's because they evoke an era that I wish I had been part of, but was just too young to be involved. They don't get repeated on TV much - I suppose they have lost any popular appeal they once had. Thinking of Bruce Dern - does 'Silent Runnings' count? It's a bit eco-warrior. Shelley |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Willie-O Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:02 AM The Graduate was a good film--but counterculture? Nahhhhh. LH, I quite agree that in my life and yours the 60's went to the mid-70's, then folded the circus tents and stole away. But there is a considerable difference in pre-Easy Rider and post-Easy Rider counterculture/new school movies. After Easy Rider they were taken seriously enough by the industry to spend real money on, resulting in much better production values in every respect--better directing, acting, writing and cinematography. Everything I come up with seems to have Jack Nicholson in it. And funny, most of the ones that seem good today were NOT about the counterculture, do not have headbands, love beads and peace signs everywhere--but were produced by the same bunch that started with "Psych-Out" and "Easy Rider" Like: "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" "Missouri Breaks"--a rare 70's Western. Nicholson, an excellent threatening Brando, and superb cinematography. Haskell Wexler was it? Altamont was the name of the rock festival where someone was killed in front of the stage when the Stones were playing. The movie was "Gimme Shelter", and it was very good--one of the best rockumentaries, an honour it shares with "The Last Waltz" (made by Scorsese!). I guess they are a separate category. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:11 AM Dr. Strangelove. And the one about Michael York escaping from a dome where only people under thirty are allowed to live? Logan's Run. A Boy And His Dog. Brother From Another Planet. Attack Of The Killer Tomatoes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rustic Rebel Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:19 AM Another produced by Jack Nicholson was, The Monkees-Head, it was a short lived film. Only lasted about 3 weeks out in theaters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:29 AM Willie-O, "Missouri Breaks" and "excellent" in the same sentence?? Did we see the same movie? John Belushi also had a part in that fiasco. I will always remember it for the awful walk-through performance that Brando gave. A cheesy Irish accent to boot! Nicholson: Tell me Lee Clayton, did you ever shoot a man from a mile off carrying a pail of water? Brando: A mile yes, but I don't remember the pail |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:32 AM Oops. I just re-thought it and I don't think Belushi was in "Missouri Breaks". The Brando part is etched in my memory because he was so awful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 30 Oct 03 - 09:35 AM Okay, I remember it now... Belushi and Nicholson did another piece of crap western called "Goin South". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Little Hawk Date: 30 Oct 03 - 10:50 AM Yeah, "Missouri Breaks" is just downright bizarre...mostly because of Brando. I think the man had a secret desire to destroy his own artistic reputation completely...he acted as if he hated himself and everybody else in most of his later movies. Of course, one could interpret it all as "genius", I suppose.... :-) - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL Date: 30 Oct 03 - 10:55 AM OOPS I forgot that this was a "Worst Movies" thread. Ignore my previous post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Liz the Squeak Date: 30 Oct 03 - 11:22 AM How odd... just as I'm reading this and the postings about The Graduate - Radio 2 are playing 'Mrs Robinson'... whooo! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: AliUK Date: 30 Oct 03 - 01:45 PM Brother from another Planet and Logans Run are late7 0´s early 80s movies so don´t really count. I am an 80s child ( means I became consciously aware of all this kinda stuff in the 80s when I was in my late teens) so most of the movie mentioned have always seemed kinda hokey to me. Easy Rider was only ever good when I watched it on Acid ( I watched it straight and it never did anything to me. In fact I´m not really a fan of Dennis Hopper. I just saw Apocolypse Now: Redux and forgotten how bad he was in that!!). Alice´s Restaurant...the live recording was better.TRip,Head, and the Biker Movies all seem pretty weird to me ( and bad). Now if we were talking about the 80s......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Oct 03 - 01:47 PM How come a "worst of" thread before there's been a "best of"? True, that might be a bit short on nominees. About the only one I'd be sure to include would be The Muppet Movie, and that's 1979 (anyway, worrying about technicalities like that is not in keeping with the ethos of the 60s). And of course there's Withnail and I, which though made in 1986 is set in 1969. Here is a site with the entire script. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Wesley S Date: 30 Oct 03 - 01:54 PM Did anyone ever see "Two Lane Blacktop" starring James Taylor and Dennis Wilson ? There was a girl with them see, and they had this car, see and they traveled around and then.... Hmmmm, and then they, Hmmmm they .... Gee - I guess that WAS the plot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin Date: 30 Oct 03 - 02:10 PM Logan's Run was based on a book, a book that had sequels with essentially the same plot...like Logan's World...and so on... what about Jesus Christ Superstar? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:16 PM Jesus Christ Superstar was based on a book as well :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Rapparee Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:20 PM Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat? Yellow Submarine? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve Date: 30 Oct 03 - 04:27 PM Tell Me That You Love Me, Junie Moon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: SINSULL Date: 30 Oct 03 - 10:44 PM Was 2001 Space Odyssey late 60s or early 70s? Piece of crap, in my humble opinion. I fell asleep twice in the theater. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: GUEST,Yeah, but... Date: 30 Oct 03 - 11:19 PM Before you draw any significant conclusions from that, SINSULL, don't forget that there was a guy who slept through Pearl Harbour too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: RangerSteve Date: 31 Oct 03 - 05:57 AM Sinsull, thanks. I thought I was the only one who hated 2001. I still don't see what all the critics and everyone sees in that film. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 31 Oct 03 - 09:10 AM Most people slept through Pearl Harbor, the film. It was another waste of time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Cluin Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:22 AM Beyond the Valley of the Dolls by Russ Meyer, screenplay by Roger Ebert (really... and he now has the gall to be a film critic). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Amergin Date: 01 Nov 03 - 03:28 AM the wild bunch |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: kendall Date: 10 Jun 07 - 04:25 PM Arthur with Dudly Moore. I'd rather watch cans rust. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: bobad Date: 10 Jun 07 - 04:40 PM "Alex in Wonderland" with Donald Sutherland and Ellen Burstyn, caught it on a TV late night movie quite a few years ago and thought it was one of the worst movies I'd ever seen. The plot key words from IMDB kind of say it all: * Beach * Director * Dream * Hippie * Hollywood * Music * Nude Dance * Nudity * Sex * Vietnam War * Character Name In Title |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Big Al Whittle Date: 10 Jun 07 - 04:50 PM Another load of crap is that one where Elliot Gould is a college lecturer who sleeps with a black lady and harrison Ford is one of his students. Alex in Wonderland nearly outstinks it, but not quite! Missouri Breaks is quite good in comparison. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Big Al Whittle Date: 10 Jun 07 - 04:51 PM Another Brando one Reflections in a Golden Eye was was well worth missing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: frogprince Date: 10 Jun 07 - 05:43 PM Yes,"Alex in Wonderland" really, really stank. I was in college in a profoundly conservative town in Arkansas when "Alice's Restaurant" came out. The dynamics between the regional students and local people, and the students from civilized states, were mirrored so perfectly in the movie that I about came unglued watching it. How did "Doctor Strangelove" get in a list of worst movies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: kendall Date: 10 Jun 07 - 07:23 PM Desperatly seeking Susan was clod. I sat through it because I liked the lady who picked it and dragged me to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff Date: 10 Jun 07 - 09:06 PM "A Boy and His Dog" was a post apocalypse sleeper. Peter |
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Subject: RE: BS: Worst of the 60's 'freak' movies.... From: Mickey191 Date: 10 Jun 07 - 11:46 PM Rory Calhoun (Recall him?) as a farmer who made some famous sausages. You know the rest... Don't know the name. "Elves" Nazi scientists do Santa's Elves a bad turn and makes them mutants. Really, Truly. "Cry Uncle" creepy junk about a weird detective. |
