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Subject: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Max Date: 23 Sep 02 - 12:17 AM OK boys and girls it's here. After much toil and trouble it's-a-comin'. Be prepared this week. If you don't catch the official thread, and the Mudcat goes down for half a day, just realize that it's the upgrade-a-comin'. Pene, you hear this? (Our program guru and master extraordinaire has been ready for a while). Here we go all. Get ready. It might be a little confusing for a few days, but we'll get right. Let this be the thread that lets us adjust. And, as you would expect, I will edit this thread to serve us best. And Pene Azul... you are the man with the most, and thank you. Without you, this upgrade would have never have happened, and without you I'd have one less friend. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Banjer Date: 23 Sep 02 - 05:31 AM As many of us knew it would, the community of Mudcat triumphs over those who would have it turn to dust and blow away. Thank you Max! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Sep 02 - 05:50 AM I have no doubt we can anticipate a fair number of posts in the next few weeks and months saying how the improvements aren't, and how it's not like the good old days...
Still, should we get home-sick for the old-style Mudcat, I imagine it'll still be there retrospectively, at The WayBack Machine - that time-warp site.
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST,anonymous beta tester Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:06 AM Among the features in the new version are automatic line breaks (switchable) posting preview blue clicky maker paged view for long threads printer-friendly view of threads sort descending (for each thread) "Filter out" option on forum main page Permathreads appear in a dropdown list so take up less screen area display of number of PMs on most (if not all) pages delete or archive multiple PMs in one Go list all PMs from a certain sender list all PMs you sent to a certain recipient search in your PMs This list does not claim to be complete... I'll verify that this list is correct. My favorite new feature is the nifty cross-indexing that Jeff added recently. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Nigel Parsons Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:12 AM The only problem with a list of features from an "anonymous beta tester" (Guest) is that we don't know whether this is a realistic list, or a wish list being posted so another guest can claim later that the list hasn't been fulfilled. I don't like appearing negative about 'Guest' postings, as many are genuine, but the false ones are the ones we remember. Nigel |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST,anonymous beta tester Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:25 AM When Jeff (Pene Azul) gave me access to the beta test stuff, he asked me not to reveal the fact that I am a beta tester. And therefore I will not reveal my normal Mudcat name and posted the list as "anonymous beta tester". Believe in the list above or not, I know that these features are in the new version. Because I used and tested most of them.
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Nigel Parsons Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:31 AM My apologies if I appeared to doubt Nigel |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:34 AM Thanks Max, Quite why it's taken quite so long, and involved quite so many false promises is beyond me, but thank you anyway. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Trevor Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:44 AM Why is there always somebody with a 'yes but..'? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:47 AM The nature of humanity? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Sep 02 - 07:33 AM Whilst not wanting to curb the delicious abberations of 9ome posters, is there a spell-check facility? Looking forward to the new wee beastie. Sorry, no spellchecker. If you want spellchcking, I'd suggest you type in a word processor, and then copy-paste into Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Sep 02 - 07:39 AM If you want a great little free spellchecker, try HOT LINGO 2.0, available from www.hotlingo.com. Its only significant drawback is that it only works on Internet Explorer. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: kendall Date: 23 Sep 02 - 07:56 AM To the naysayers, Never follow an apology with an excuse. Max, you da man. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST Date: 23 Sep 02 - 08:18 AM Kendall, I wouldn't define 'being human' as exactly an excuse |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST Date: 23 Sep 02 - 08:34 AM Being human is not an excuse. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: kendall Date: 23 Sep 02 - 08:37 AM Typical example: "I'm sorry I called you a fuckwit, but YOU pissed ME off." Why bother to apologize at all if you are going to invalidate it? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST Date: 23 Sep 02 - 08:53 AM Good news, indeed! As much as I love the MC, it has been a bit of a nuicance to have to remember all of the HTML stuff in order to have a decently formatted post - especially for a mind which seems to want to spend most of it's time in the 19th Century. So glad am I to be rid of this limitation, I'm not even going to bother with all of those little "codies" in this post! Bwaahahahahaha!!! Having been known to skulk about other message boards, since music is my greatest, but not only passion, we have been getting spoiled rotten by all of the nifty features now commonly available on many of them. These include the ability to preview posts, cut-and-paste URL links directly from my "Bookmarks" (Netscape) and the biggie, to include attached files. One of my favorite boards for technical bells and whistles is called "Gunboards": http://www.gunboards.com/forums/UltraBoard.cgi where you may find several of my postings under the same nickname... if you happen to be into this sort of thing, as I understand not a lot of "Folkies" are. One feature I could live without are "Emoticons", or those silly little "smiley-faces", some of which are firing teenie little machine-guns; Oh, spare us!! Of course for Kendall we might have to have one playing a weeeeenie little banjo... Here I am able to scan and post a target I just shot full of holes at the rifle range and share with fellow enthusiasts how a particular hand-load is performing, or a pic of a shell jammed up in my piece so that some "expert" can advise as to how to keep that from happening during a match. It's really handy! Ironically, just about the same time this thread got started, I was grumbling in another thread (".30-06 On The Wall") how nice it would be if we could echange files via this forum, to include MIDI (without having to mess with that text conversion program, which is better than nothing but a bit awkward to use, I find), *.WAV, and graphics. I would love to share scannings of some of my 19th Century Americana collection, or compositions I'm working on, or pictures of instruments, etc.. Pene has been great about accepting E-mail attachments to put up on the "Family Album" pages, but this must get a little time-consuming, and technology is obviously available to automate that function and save time at both ends. So much for my $0.02 worth - you must be getting tired of reading without a paragraph break if you're still aboard, here! {8^{D~ So like the man sez; "Put more water in the jug; There's Better Times A-Comin'!!!" Muchos Gracias, Amigos!
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 23 Sep 02 - 09:26 AM What I am looking forward to is how creatively the ugrade features will look and operate-- I doubt it will look much like other boards people have visited. I've visited them too, and the features are nice, but I'm eager to see an evolution of Mudcat as Mudcat, more than I hope it will be like a clone of other boards. So I imagine that when you first encounter the upgrade, it will be a good idea to keep your eyes open and spot things it can do-- to explore it for what it is and use it effectively in the spirit in which it's been designed and provided. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Mr Red Date: 23 Sep 02 - 09:33 AM Didn't feel a thing was it good for you? I'm bracing though, I'ma bracing. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 23 Sep 02 - 09:35 AM yeah upgrade & cheers for the testers. Last week I made my first blue clicky, looks like the next one will not be so exciting. Line breaks will be great, & when I finally get the missing verses of a song I put up recently it will be a breeze! good onya Mudcat & Mudcatters sandra |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 23 Sep 02 - 12:40 PM So now I don't have to type angle bracket and "br" any more? How nice! Thanks for all your work. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: MMario Date: 23 Sep 02 - 12:58 PM not yet "now" - but "soon", leeneia |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Mudlark Date: 23 Sep 02 - 01:01 PM Line breaks! YAY! Not that typing in the br stuff is such a big deal, but in a forum where multi-versed songs are posted a lot it is a huge help. Thanks to all involved. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Night Owl Date: 23 Sep 02 - 01:16 PM YEE-HA!
GREAT to "see" you still standing tall, and walking forward, Max! Pene.....Thanks from here for standing solid beside him, as well as the other stuff you do around here. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Bill D Date: 23 Sep 02 - 01:17 PM awww....you mean I will not be able to act 'superior' anymore because I can do clickies?..*deep, sad sigh*... ;>}
question is, can one do HTML that does NOT involve clickies?. as in this sort of thing. and there IS a spellchecker which will work here in the typing box, if anyone wants me to post it again. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: katlaughing Date: 23 Sep 02 - 01:26 PM If I follow you around enough I can, Bill: this sort of thing. **BG** |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Bill D Date: 23 Sep 02 - 01:32 PM yeah, yeah...but that was just a cut-'n-paste from "view source". m'lassie..*grin*...can you change it quickly? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Bill D Date: 23 Sep 02 - 01:50 PM fascinating...I forgot I had that set to 'symbol'....here is what I intended to show.... (what you saw may depend on YOUR browser settings!
this sort of thing. I was using Mozilla when I posted, and it showed Georgia font....whereas Opera showed Symbol.....I guess my Opera settings are on default...oh, never mind |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 23 Sep 02 - 01:52 PM (hi Bill) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: CarolC Date: 23 Sep 02 - 02:06 PM Alreet! Sounds good to me! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Steve in Idaho Date: 23 Sep 02 - 02:47 PM Guest - Thanks for the website on old rifles - enjoying it a lot!! Steve |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Bill D Date: 23 Sep 02 - 04:23 PM (hi Susan....I owe you a CD of those gospel groups) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 23 Sep 02 - 04:52 PM (I know! Give to Mmario at FSGW!) ~*G*~ |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 23 Sep 02 - 05:19 PM Thanks, Max. Can't wait. Thanks Pene, appreciate all the hard work! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Áine Date: 23 Sep 02 - 05:36 PM Thank you, Pene and Max, for all your hard work on this update. I know that there are a lot of new bells and whistles that you have come up with that will only improve things here on the 'Cat. Congratulations (in advance) for a job well done!! ;-) All the best, Áine |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Susanne (skw) Date: 23 Sep 02 - 05:37 PM If the Mudcat upgrade is anything like the 2002 DT - I want it now! Thanks, Max and elves! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Sep 02 - 05:47 PM Christmas comes early this year it seems. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST,Rolfyboy6 Date: 23 Sep 02 - 06:21 PM Good. I'm looking forward to it, specially not having to do the verse breaks. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Sep 02 - 08:21 PM Y'all gonna' love it......Trust me. Spaw (non-anonymous tester) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Amos Date: 23 Sep 02 - 08:27 PM Let's roll this puppy, Mister Blue!! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST,Uncle Jaque Date: 23 Sep 02 - 08:56 PM It appears that we lost our MC "cookie" when installing Netscape V-7, and didn't realize it 'till our last post came through as "Guest". Sorry 'bout that! Glad you enjoy the forum, Norton 1; feel free to register there and jump right in! I get the impression that there are not many of us who enjoy both of these interests at the same time. We continue to look forward to our brandy-new and improved Mudcat; bring it on! UJ in ME |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 23 Sep 02 - 09:12 PM Wrong, Jaque! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Steve in Idaho Date: 23 Sep 02 - 11:19 PM Thanks Jaque - And Thanks for whatever is coming here! Steve |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Sep 02 - 09:04 PM Still got my fingers crossed. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Amos Date: 29 Sep 02 - 09:20 PM What's the news, Jeff & Max? A |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Mr Red Date: 29 Sep 02 - 09:50 PM er call me thicko but did I miss something? Where is all the blickie and breaks zapper buttons manual break OK OK, I go and find the FAQ's |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Uncle Jaque Date: 29 Sep 02 - 11:21 PM Has it happened yet? Gosh; I can't tell by lookin' at it! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 30 Sep 02 - 05:14 AM My Mudcat has been much slower and less responsive in the past few days (after the site was offline for a spell) and sometimes it stalls completely so I have to exit, re-enter, and then wait a zillion years for anything to happen. That mean anything? (Or is somebody trying to tell me something??) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Amos Date: 30 Sep 02 - 12:24 PM Bonnie: As far as I have been able to see there is nothing about the upgrades per se that should slow down the server returns on ordinary use. More likely it is a bottleneck at your ISP, or Mudcat servers, but not (probably) due to the upgrade itself. A |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Sep 02 - 01:02 PM It hasn't happened yet, surely. Unless the advance notices of what is involved were way off beam. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Geoff the Duck Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:16 PM I just refreshed the Threads page and EVERYTHING looks different! The upgrade must have just happened! Quack! GtD |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Sorcha Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:17 PM Am I ever impressed! Thanks a bunch, guys! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Amos Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:20 PM YEAAHHHHHHHHH TEAM!!!! Way to go, Jeff, Max, and all those Beta Testers everywhere!! Now watch how many questions get asked about how to use it! LOL!! It is KEEEEWWL! A |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Geoff the Duck Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:22 PM I see that the TRANSLATE button works An example from the start of this thread reads in French maison Du Maximum: Venir De Mise à niveau Maximum Déclic pour la forme dans la nouvelle fenêtre Si vous la voyez sur Amazon.com ou d'autres emplacements de film publicitaire, nous pouvons l'obtenir probablement pour vous aux prix comparables tandis que soutenant le Mudcat. Objet: Du Maximum: Venir De Mise à niveau De: Maximum Date: 23 Sept 02 - 12:17 AM Dans Le Magasin De Mudcat: Peu de Jours Les garçons et les filles BIEN il est ici. Après beaucoup de travail dur et préoccupez-le-un-comin '. Soyez préparé cette semaine. Si vous n'attrapez pas le fil officiel, et le Mudcat descend pour la moitié par jour, rendez-vous compte juste qu'elle est améliorent-un-comin '. Pene, vous entendez ceci? (notre extraordinaire de gourou et de maître de programme a été prêt pendant un moment). Ici nous allons tous. Soyez prêt. Il pourrait être confondant pendant quelques jours, mais nous deviendrons exacts. Laissez ceci être le fil qui nous laisse nous ajuster. Et, car vous prévoiriez, j'éditerai ce fil pour nous servir mieux. Et Pene Azul... vous êtes l'homme avec les la plupart, et vous remerciez. Sans vous, cette mise à niveau n'aurait jamais pour s'être produite, et sans vous j'aurais un moins d'ami. ........... Bon Nuit - Geoff le Canard! Quack!!! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:29 PM Hey, looks to me like we have a new Mudcat!!! Congratulations, Max & Jeff! Gonna pass around cigars to celebrate your new baby? Hey, guys, take a look at the crosslinks on this page (click). Then take a look at Mudcat MIDIs and the links page. MMario and I aren't done with the MIDI crosslinks, but we'll get there. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Mr Red Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:52 PM Yep it hit me! I will have to go & sit down a spell. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: MMario Date: 30 Sep 02 - 06:57 PM Just in time for anniversary - hey ; what year is this going to be, anyway? |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Sep 02 - 07:04 PM Mmario, According to the age filter, ALL. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Glade Date: 30 Sep 02 - 07:14 PM mmmmm.....it's faster, too. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: DougR Date: 30 Sep 02 - 07:55 PM Wow! I'm impressed! DougR |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Art Thieme Date: 30 Sep 02 - 07:57 PM It's Fall, not Easter morning, right??? But there are so many cool designer eggs here that I'll never be able to eat 'tm all. Many thanks Max and all ! Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Col K Date: 30 Sep 02 - 08:30 PM Thanks for the new look, just have to take some time to work it all out, but will get there soon |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Melani Date: 30 Sep 02 - 11:13 PM Wow, it looks all different! I haven't got time to investigate all the cool new features now, but I guess even someone as computer-challenged as me will be able to figure it out. Thanks, Max and Pene! |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Wolfgang Date: 01 Oct 02 - 05:25 AM Very impressive. Thanks a lot for all the work. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST,anonymous beta tester Date: 01 Oct 02 - 04:55 PM Now, Nigel, tell me: is any of the features which I mentioned above missing from Mudcat TNG ? Sorry for being anonymous again, but I promised ... |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST Date: 02 Oct 02 - 02:09 PM It's greaat, I love the translations of names, including the french for WYSIWYG and Offre de Joe. |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 02 Oct 02 - 02:15 PM At the moment I only translate into a Mudcat shopping spree. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Oct 02 - 02:24 PM I make it the translation into French does the first 12 1/2 messages, and then reverts to English. I imagine it's got a built-in limitation to a certain number of characters. But it's fun - things tend to sound more formal. I get the feeling that even if we got in a fight it'd end as a duel rather than a brawl. (I wish they had an option for Latin and one for Irish.) |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 02 Oct 02 - 03:34 PM Sometimes if you click the translation link, it takes you to Babelfish and you can either select translation of a web page OR of text you enter (copy-paste works). But sometimes if you click it, you don't go there, you go to the Mudcat Shop. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Pene Azul Date: 02 Oct 02 - 04:49 PM I fixed that, Susan. Thanks, Jeff |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: wysiwyg Date: 02 Oct 02 - 05:24 PM Great Jeff! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Bill D Date: 02 Oct 02 - 05:51 PM here is another site that does translations..might be fun to compare them... translations |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: UB Ed Date: 02 Oct 02 - 09:48 PM Wow. Line breaks and English to German with a blue clicky tool. Wow. Thanks Max and Pene.... Ed |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: MudGuard Date: 03 Oct 02 - 02:43 AM I really love automatic translations, UB Ed's message results in: See what it makes out of Max ;-) Wimmern. Linie Brüche und Englisch zum Deutschen mit einem blauen clicky Werkzeug. Wimmern. Dank-Maximum und Pene.... ED |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: GUEST Date: 03 Oct 02 - 06:15 PM Yes it's really great to be able to add some colour to the posts And the blue clicky things work too (a link to nowhere) Great job guys |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Wolfgang Date: 04 Oct 02 - 06:06 AM As I said above, great work, but I slowly start detecting minor things that are worse now for me: The automatic line-breaks surprising as it may sound are a disadvantage for me. When I typed song lyrics offline (or copied them from somewhere else), I had a shortcut to introduce the line breaks (thanks to Joe for that idea) which cost me only a few seconds. Now, when I copy lyrics from somewhere else they are printed here as they look in the posting box with the line breaks often in totally wrong places. In the old times, they also looked bad in the posting box, but came out perfect after submitting. For this problem I see no shortcut and I have to correct it the slow way. On the balance I loose time by the automatic line-breaks though I guess most other win. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: Wolfgang Date: 04 Oct 02 - 06:08 AM Stupid me, I see now that there is actually a shortcut: I can turn off the automatic line-break. I hate it when people don't think/check long enough before posting like I did here. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: From Max: Upgrade Coming From: catspaw49 Date: 04 Oct 02 - 07:30 AM Wolfgang, I've had that happen some too although it doesn't work that way on most occasions. It depends on where you copied the lyrics from as you know and I will agree it can be aggravating, but for all the times it works, and that's been most of them for me, it's a good tradeoff. Spaw |
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