Lyr Req: Wagoner's Lad variant

Subject: Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: GUEST,In the woods
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 09:06 PM

Has anyone heard or know of the lyrics of the song that starts out as the Wagoners Lad
Oh hard is the fortune of all women kind, etc.etc.

But then the second verse tells a different story, same melody:

Well she was a young girl and she loved to sing
Her voice was as sweet as the breaking of spring
Her boyfriend played bass and they made quite a pair
But their love and their music was all that they shared

Then the story line goes one about how she had babies and stayed home while he went on the road playing till she dumped him and found her own voice and sang for herself - or something like that. Kinda along the lines of a feminist song, at least that is when I first heard it - during that time about 30(?) years ago.
Been trying to find the lyrics to the rest of the song but have come up with nothing.
Anyone?

Subject: RE: Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 09:41 PM

I found ziltch. Sorry.

Subject: Lyr Add: THE WAGONER'S LAD (Kossoy Sisters)
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 09:56 PM

Found a clue in another thread:

Subject: RE: Bachelor's Hall - clarification needed
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Nov 04 - 08:53 AM

The 1st verse of the version by Jean Ritchie seems identical to the first verse of "Wagoners Lad" (as sung by the Kossoy Sisters on an Audio CD of Appalachian Music which I have).

There appear to be 2 themes here: (a) The song is actually sung by a woman who laments the free and easy attitude some young men can adopt to love; this was obviously in the days before female contraception since some present day females can give the males a run for their money in this respect (b) A comment on the squalor of the typical "bachelor pad".

As P.J. O'Rourke once wrote when comparing the relative merits of private and public ownership, anything you own yourself is usually tidier and better organised than anything public (eg public buildings, lavatories, etc). However he issued a disclaimer: "If you're a typical bachelor under 30, please ignore the last bit." (or words to that effect).

I remember Steeleye Span also did a versuion of Bachelors Hall. The ony lines I can remember were I think at the end of the chorus: "Always stay single, Keep Bachelors Hall".

A BACHELOR

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Well...maybe not. I looked up Kossoy Sisters and the Wagoner's Lad and found the following with a mention of Joan Baez also singing it. Looks like a different song:

Oh hard is the fortune of all womankind
It's always controlled, it's always confined
Controlled by her parents until she's a wife
Then slave to her husband for the rest of her life

She is a poor girl, and her fortune is sad
always been courted by the wagoner's lad
He courted her truly both night and by day
But now he is a-loaded and a-going away

Your parents don't like me they say I'm too poor
They say I'm not worthy to enter your door
But I work for a living, my money's my own
And them that don't like it can leave me alone

My horses ain't hungry, and they don't need your hay
Come sit down beside me for as long as you stay
I'd go to Montana if the moon showed any light,
But my pony can't travel this dark road tonight.

I once had a sweetheart and her age was sixteen
She's the flower of Belton and the rose of Seline.
But her parents was against me, now she is the same,
If I'd writ on your book, love, you just blot out my name.

Hard is the fortune of all womankind
It's always controlled, and it's always confined
Controlled by her parents until she's a wife
Then slave to her husband for the rest of her life.

Subject: RE: Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:12 PM

Thanks. Trouble is, I used to sing it once or twice, but then again it was in my twenties and much time has past. The first verse is the only verse that has any similarities to Wagoners Lad. I was following a thread on the Wagnoners Lad here but from many years ago, and read about the Bachelors Hall - not familiar with the piece (dare i say?). This was definitely from the womans perspective. It has just as many years trying to find it. If you hear of anything.....thank you.
S.

Subject: RE: Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: Severn
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:25 PM

What about the operatic version where she falls in love with the Wagner lad?










Sorry, I'll get my cape......

Subject: RE: PS Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:26 PM

"If you hear of anything....." I will keep checking back.
S.

Subject: RE: Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:29 PM

S.

I was unable to find anything with quotations around any of the phrases. I think this will take someone who knows the song to post here. So, please do keep checking back.

Subject: RE: Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:29 PM

What about the operatic version where she falls in love with the Wagner lad?





Still giggling

Subject: RE: Wagoners Lad rendition kinda
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 10:31 PM

Thanks Peace. I know, like I said, I have been looking for this for years. If only time travel was possible....

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