Irish reconciliation song?

Subject: Irish reconciliation song?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 05:06 AM

I've been looking for a song for some time, which I read about in the Irish Times, maybe in one of those columns by "Y" on the letters and Irishman's Diary page.

It's about reconciliation between Orange and Green, and has a line something like:

"And you'll wear the orange lily-o, and I the blue cockade"

or maybe it's

"And I'll wear the Easter lily-o and you the blue cockade".

Anyway, political cross-dressing of some sort was to be engaged in.

Nobody seems to have heard of it, and I can't find it; I've tried the Digitrad Search for "cockade" without luck.

Anyone able to help? If I've asked before and been answered later while away or computer-crashed or work-loaded, sorry in advance.

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 07:45 AM

It sounds much like "The 12th of July". author John Frazier (1804-1852) Set to music by Sean Tyrell and recorded on his "Cry of a Dreamer" album. The words are already on this forum. I'm having problems with the search function just now, so I can't give you a link. This song, however, says nothing about a "blue cockade"; it has lines "And let the Orange lily be/Your badge my patriot brother/The everlasting green for me/And we for one another."

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: alison
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 07:58 AM

supersearch doesn't appear to be working... but the ordinary one was..... the twelfth of July

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 01:00 PM

I have adopted this song in my show. I love the effect it has on those who sing songs without thinking about their meaning. I am not afraid of rebel music, I sing it all the time, and try to use it to teach about the history of our people. And those rebel songs are very exciting. But I always slip "There Were Roses" and "The 12th of July" in, so that people always ponder the cost of war, and where the future really lies. It is interesting to note that the concepts expressed were written 150 or so years ago. A marvelous piece of work. If you want to hear the best interpretation of it that I have heard, track down a copy of "Cry of a Dreamer" by Sean Tyrell. One day I will meet this man and thank him for this song.

And by the way, Hello to my friend Philippa. I am still looking for a copy of that book for you in Irish. I will find it eventually.

Mick

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 02:48 PM

I wonder if that's it. It just might be. As far as I (vaguely) remember, this was not a new song, but one from perhaps the 1880s?

By the way, I went searching on the faithful CD Now and didn't find a copy of Cry of a Dreamer; is it available anywhere, please?

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 03:17 PM

After an informative if fruitless websearch I finally tracked down a Sean Tyrrel audio link on the Rykodisk page. But this page seems to have a dose of the Mulders; its News link says it's updated every Wednesday, but is dated March 20 1998 . And the audio links don't work.

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 04:38 PM

There were a number of 19C. "Orange meets Green" songs and recitations. Sparling's "Irish Minstrelsy" has an impossibly long called "Orange and Green", written by Gerald Griffin. I think Thomas Davis of The Nation wrote one also - but don't have it to hand. "Blue cockade" sounds odd - green cockades were a badge of nationalists from early 19C., as far as I know."Easter lily" would make it much later.

Regards

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 09:23 PM

Martin and JTT, if you CLICK HERE you can read a previous thread that gives you the date of the poem by John Frazier as well as a link to Rykodisk/Hannibal which is where I got my copy.

All the best,

Big Mick

Subject: RE: Irish reconciliation song?
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 10:34 PM

When you click in, scroll back to the top. I forgot to go from there. It is an interesting thread.