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Subject: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Peter T. Date: 26 Sep 00 - 09:39 AM Here's a song problem, which requires some lateral thinking and memories of late 50s-early 60s pop songs. El Rick and I were working on a bass run embellishment (for Blue Bayou) and ran across the pattern than provides the back up for The Fleetwoods' (if that is right) song "Come Softly" (main voice: "come softly, daaaaarrrrlinnngg....). In the sort of background, the rest are singing the familiar: Dum, dum, da, de, da, da, da, dada, slide into DUM, dum, dum, da, de, da, da, da, da, da, and so on, into infinity. The question is: What is the other song which has almost the identical Dum, Dum, vocal pattern, only a shade different? Has been driving me crazy for three days. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 26 Sep 00 - 09:51 AM Not what you are looking for Peter; but just for shits and giggles, try blending in Roy Orbison's base for the song "Crying Over You"... Yours, Aye.Dave |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 10:53 AM Peter, is this "other song" also by the Fleetwoods or by somebody else? I'm not remembering any other song that sounds like the male part in "Come Softly To Me." FWIW, the "Very Best of the Fleetwoods" cd has a wonderful a capella version of "CSTM" -- either the same vocal take as in the released version, or one very, very close -- but before all the instruments are layered on. If you listen closely you can hear one of them shaking her keys to keep the time. (Either Gretchen or the other one, I forget; it's in the liner notes.)
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Sep 00 - 10:55 AM There are times I think you are truly in need of serious help PT. This is one of those times. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Bert Date: 26 Sep 00 - 10:57 AM I thought that the 'dum de dum dums' in those Fifties songs were ALL the same. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:03 AM Dumb-Be-Me-Dumb-Dumb I hit the button twice I'm so gawddam dumb Dummy-Dummy, Dumb-Be-Me-Dumb-Dumb-Dumb. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Rick Fielding Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:58 AM Hey come on cats, it's better for Peter to be worrying about "dum,dums" than the imminent destruction of our ecological paradise here on earth. For what it's worth, if anyone had walked in on us while we were "dum,dumming" and speculating on the whereabouts of GARY TROXEL, they'd have thought we had entirely too much time on our hands. Other things that we will probably consider in the future: Who DID put the bomp in bomp she bomp? (leaving aside the question of who put the Ram in the ramarama ding dong) Why did that johnnie come lately J.S. Bach feel he had to steal from "How gentle is the rain......." What calibre was Taco Bell's cannon? Was Paul a "Dead Walrus"? Was Didi Conn TOO perky? Rick |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: GUEST,Pete Peterson at work Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:00 PM serious answer-- the first one you mentioned is Come Go With Me, originally by teh DelVikings (about the first interractial group in rock in 1956 or so, I always wondered why you never saw publicitiy photos) the second is probably Come Softly To Me, not sure who did it. but the chord progression for the first one is used in whole bunches of rock songs-- I always called it the Heart and Soul progression (G/Em/Am/D7 repeat till end of 45 record) but is also All I have to do is Dream, Born too Late, many others |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Ely Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:04 PM Mr Blue? (Call me Mr. Blue, oo-wah, oo-wah-ooo) Come Go With Me is a good guess. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:08 PM I thought "How Gentle Was the Rain" (the actual title of the song is Lover's Concerto) was stolen by Beethoven. Shows how much I know about classical music.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Jeri Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:13 PM Too bad Peter couldn't just whip on into HearMe and hum a few bars. I can't think exactly how the line goes. It's one thing to have a melody stuck in your head - it's another to have an almost-melody in there. I'm imagining "Wimoweh" and all sorts of other things being some over some nebulous "dum dums." Rick, I saw a short black-and-white film on TV late one night. It was about a modern composer (from the 30's or 40's maybe?) who had died and gone to the pearly gates. He was being judged on whether he was worthy to get into heaven, and his "stealing" of tunes was a big negative mark. They had several famous dead guys there - classical composers. One started by saying "you stole that from my composition," and played a few bits. Another earlier deceased guy said "yeah, but you stole it from me." Still another, earlier dead guy said...you get the picture. The references were to real composers and compositions. I REALLY wish I'd gotten the name of the compositions, or at least the film. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Robby Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:15 PM I can only remember two other songs by the Fleetwoods: Runaround and Tragedy. I'm not sure if either might be the song your looking for. I don't quite recall the "dum, dum" pattern that you posted. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:19 PM OK, but who was TWINKLETOES? What is the earliest reference to that name, character, or quality, who wrote it, what was he thinking, was there someone he was talking about..... or she. And Rick, of course it was a she who put the bomp in bomp she bomp. If she hadn'ta bomped, the observer wouldn'ta had anything to talk about. So there's half the work done for you. Cherchez la femme. ~S~
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:22 PM Rick ol buddy, you got a real short memory and a lot of trust. Remember Big Mick plays a D chord? Remember my ill advised watermelon remarks? I wonder how soon those will pop up as threads? I loved 'em though..........particularly the Taco Bell. Well stroked. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: SINSULL Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:32 PM The Fleetwoods didn't do "Tragedy". Thomas Wayne(???) did. Thanks, now I won't be able to function until I come up with the name. Damn. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:44 PM The Fleetwoods didn't do Runaround. Del Shannon did.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:46 PM My bad. Del Shannon did Runaway, not Runaround. Hmmm. Well, Dion and the Belmonts did Runaround Sue. The Fleetwoods did indeed do Runaround, and I have egg on my face.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: SINSULL Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:48 PM Stay out of the hen house Mousethief. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 12:51 PM You'll never catch me, copper! I see you've bid on another copy of Long Steel Rail on Ebay, Sinsull. Good luck!
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: bbelle Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:08 PM mousethief ... are you referring to The Fleetwoods or Fleetwood Mac? Is the song Brenda Lee's "Dum Dum Da Deedle De Dum?" |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: WyoWoman Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:12 PM "Come with meeee, to the seeeeee of luuuuuv ...." I can hear it all now. I can see Rick and Peter in their slinky gowns, doing the harlem shuffle behind me ... Wait. Wrong fantasy ... But can I come sing "Blue Bayou" wid you guys? That's one of my good 'uns. USWW Pansy Rue Twidgett reporting for duty, Sir ... oh...wrong thread... I need more coffee ... |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Rick Fielding Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:13 PM Yup "Come and Go With me" is the one we wanted. "Lover's Concerto"! Thanks, thief. The name of that was driving me nuts! Rick |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:22 PM Moonjen: The fabulous Fleetwoods, of course. I have their Greatest Hits CD. I don't have ANY Fleetwood Mac CD's (although if I were to get one it would be Rumours).
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Jim the Bart Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:27 PM Hmm, I thought for sure you were talking about "Only the Lonely" by the late great Roy Orbison. One of the best. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: bbelle Date: 26 Sep 00 - 01:41 PM Sorry, mousethief ... didn't mean to step on your little itty-bitty toes. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 02:12 PM No toes were stepped on. My toes are at the end of size-13 feet, so "itty bitty" might be a bit of an exaggeration.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Robby Date: 26 Sep 00 - 02:43 PM Dang! After all these years of thinking the Fleetwoods did Tragedy. But I sure recognize the chorus to a song I have heard sung by Judy Collins, WyoWoman. I was going to say that Lovers' Concerto was written by Chopin. Then I remembered that someone in the thirties stole his score and turned into the Big Band hit Tonight We Love. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 02:45 PM "Tonight We Love" is the main theme from Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto #1.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Lady McMoo Date: 26 Sep 00 - 02:51 PM I think I know this...isn't it "God Save the Queen"? mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Robby Date: 26 Sep 00 - 02:52 PM Dang me! Dang me. They otta take a rope and hang me! Apologies to Roger Williams!! |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 03:01 PM And before you say anything, let me mention that "Stranger in Paradise" is from Borodin's ballet Prince Igor.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: M.Ted Date: 26 Sep 00 - 03:05 PM Lover's Concerto was The Minuet from the Anna Magdalena Notebooks, by Bach-- |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Gary T Date: 26 Sep 00 - 03:06 PM Robby, the lines you quoted are from Roger Miller's "Dang Me". In the movie "Mr. Holland's Opus", with Richard Dreyfuss, he tells his class that the tune of "Lover's Concerto" is from "Minuet in G" by...dang, I can't remember! From memory--the vocal background in "Come Sofly": Down down, down doo dooby, dooby down (repeated) |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Mbo Date: 26 Sep 00 - 03:13 PM Yep, "Strangers in Paradise" is actually Polovtsian Dance. No.2 from the opera Prince Igor. "All By Myself" and "Full Moon & Empty Arms" are the 2nd and 3rd movements, respectively, from Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No.2. "Baubles, Bangles & Beads" is actually the Trio from a Borodin String Quartet. No need for me to mention "A Fifth of Beethoven" or "A Night on Disco Mountain." Part of the reason for so many of these songs have tunes drawn from Classical music is because of the rise of ASCAP made a lot of songs impossible to perform without the correct permission, so folks like the Dorseys & Tin Pan Alley began putting lyrics to Classical music to create copyright-free music to perform. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: mousethief Date: 26 Sep 00 - 03:15 PM That and they're just darned good tunes.
Alex |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Peter T. Date: 26 Sep 00 - 03:54 PM "Come Go with Me!" -- what a class bunch. Pete Peterson, my hero!!Knew all those Petes had something going for them. yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Robby Date: 26 Sep 00 - 04:04 PM I think I'll just button my lip and close my trap. 'Tis better to be thought a fool that to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Big Mick Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:01 PM You about made me nuts with this one............great songs, eh? As I was monkeying around with different tempo's and phrasing's, for some damn reason all I could keep thinking of was "Breakin' up is hard to do". Dum doo dee doo dum dum, Come a come a, dum doo dee doo dumm dumm,...........breaking up is hard to-o-o-o-o-o do. Wasn't it Sedaka who did that? This was a wonderful time in music. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: campfire Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:15 PM Hi, Big Mick! I think you're right, Sedaka wrote it, but it was also done (even worse, if that's possible) by a bubble-gum-ey group whose name escapes me right now - and now I won't be able to sleep...dum doo dee doo dumm dumm! |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Sep 00 - 11:17 PM Ya know, this one has cracked me up all day. We spend a good bit of time talking about how difficult it can be to understand each other's words. Without seeing the face or hearing the sound of the voice and its inflections, its so easy to take things the wrong way. So, we are all careful to try to be clear with one another and all that good stuff. Then along comes PT with a bunch of Doobee-Doobee-Do-Wops and we're supposed to figure out what the hell he's talking about!!! The fact that the mystery was solved speaks well about this joint! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: WyoWoman Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:29 AM Well, yes, but Peter T. does those dum dum doobee doobee wahs in a really articulate way ... ww |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: katlaughing Date: 27 Sep 00 - 01:51 AM Jeri, do you remember what channel you saw the composer movie on? Might be able to backtrack in the schedules and find out the name of it. Sounds like something that would be on IFC (independent film channel.) BTW, ya'll are way too old. I don't remember half of the songs ya'll are saying were so popular. Sheesh, what a bunch of old farts!**BG** katthekid |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Noreen Date: 27 Sep 00 - 07:46 AM campfire, I remember the Partridge Family doo-bee-doing it (with the lovely David Cassidy *sigh*). The original request made me think of 'Only the Lonely' too- picture it, Peter and Rick, all around the world there are people 'dum-dum-dum-doo-be-doo'-ing because of you?! LOL Noreen |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Peter T. Date: 27 Sep 00 - 08:49 PM Strange that no one ever developed a consistent vocabulary for these. When I think of "Only The Lonely", I go: "Dum, dum, dum, dum de doo wah" which is different than others would vocalize it. My version of Breaking Up Is Hard to Do is nothing like Big Mick's ("down's" surely, not "dumms"). Where is the International DooWop Standards Bureau???? yours, Peter T. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: WyoWoman Date: 28 Sep 00 - 12:33 AM Here's how old *I* am: We used to have "makeout" music. Remember makeout music? I don't want to start an entire thread because my reputation already preceeds me, but ... wasn't that just the best? Slow dancing to "Town without Pity" (my sister's records, honestly. My OLDER sister ...) or the Righteous Brothers. Johnny Mathis (my sister's records, I'm tellin' ya) is still the best ... Lots of dum-dum doobie-doo's in makeout music.... ww |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Metchosin Date: 28 Sep 00 - 03:03 AM Sinsull and Robby, of course The Fleetwoods did Tragedy, I have it here on my vinyl collection and you can also listen to it here The group was one of my favorites and that song can still put a lump of nostalgia in my throat after forty years.....forty years?........ Oh jeez! WyoWoman, we called them "gropes". They don't seem to do that anymore do they?....... Too bad......so little romance..... |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Metchosin Date: 28 Sep 00 - 03:05 AM oops! now its forbidden fruit. |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Metchosin Date: 28 Sep 00 - 03:08 AM Well you can copy and paste your way to it. http://www.cybersunday.net/music/ |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Noreen Date: 28 Sep 00 - 04:05 AM WW, Metchosin- we called them 'slowies'! Don't they do slowies any more? Shock horror! Noreen |
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Subject: RE: Here's a tough one, 'Catters! From: Catrin Date: 28 Sep 00 - 07:31 AM Noreen - I can't believe your *sigh*ing over David Cassidy - I thought you had taste woman! For what it's worth, dum diddys etc. always make me think of that ridiculous love scene with Peter Sellers and watsername - 'it goes dum diddy dum diddy dum diddy dum diddy dum diddy dum diddy DUM DUM DUM' |
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