Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Megan L
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 04:37 PM

Time blew the dandelion clock
The seeds all flew away
Some they landed on the soil
Some to the rocks did stray
But each one was a little seed time blew upon today

Meg

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 04:37 PM

////But josepp, the whole point is that they just can't 'get a grip'. They would if they could.////

And I'm suppposed to cry for them over that? There was a time when I smoked tobacco. One day I stopped. No drama. I just stopped one day.

I used to smoke huge amounts of pot. Ditto as above.

////They're helpless in the face of the addiction.////

And whose fault is that? Nature's?

////It's easy for you to step back from these things because you're lucky enough to have the kind of personality that takes control of your life.////

It's a matter of not letting anything control me. I cannot allow myself to be owned by anything. If I even think there's a possibility that I might be unable to give something up, I immediately give it up.

////But others haven't got this in them.///

I know that. They don't want to control themselves. They want others to control them. They can't handle the responsibility of being their own parent and saying no to themselves and that makes them the most pathetic thing in the universe.


////It isn't deliberate, they would probably give anything to be able to change. I've worked with addicts in prison, and I've seen how powerless they were to stop. I agree they wreck families and cause grief to their parents etc. But we can't judge them, as they can't help it.////

I'm not buying that. That's letting them control you. As I said, I will not be owned by anything addictive--least of all an addict.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: skipy
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:06 PM

Ignoring what is here on "the cat" go onto your facebook accounts, or other accounts & take a look at the level of sympathy that is out there, I don't think you will find it to be very high.
RIP, YES! & I have already said that, sorry for friends & relatives YES also.
Skipy

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,livelylass
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:07 PM

RIP Amy




PS: There are people on this thread who have also lost family members to drugs. Josepps polemics here are both distasteful, inappropriate and unwanted.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:20 PM

The truth hurts, doesn't it? And if you think that was distasteful, I'll go you one better:

Amy Winehouse died the death she always wanted. The great legend who was so tragically taken from us too early but who will lalways live in our hearts--blah blah blah. How do I know? Because, believe it or not, you're not the only one who lost a loved one to addiction.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:24 PM

It's OK lass. It isn't as if we haven't heard it before. And from our own families.
Amy has moved on and is safe from the diatribes. She rests.
SINS

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Megan L
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:27 PM

everyone who died anywhere in the world today was someones son or daughter.

My mother used to say "If you cant say something nice do not say anything " min whit a richt lot oh silence there wid be here at thon rate.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Commander Crabbe
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:30 PM

You've got a lot of choices. If getting out of bed in the morning is a chore and you're not smiling on a regular basis, try another choice. ~Steven D. Woodhull

RIP

CC

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:38 PM

I can't help thinking that having so little concern and sympathy, not only for the dead girl, but for her relatives who might turn these comments up inadvertently in an internet search, says much about some people's need to feel superior to the less fortunate.

If you have nothing good to say in a thread such as this, why bother to expose your heartlessness?

It is a sad waste of a young and talented human being, whose crime was to be controlled by people almost as heartless, and if you can't find any compassion for her, at least respect the feelings of her family who have lost somebody they knew, and loved, better than any of you.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: skipy
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 05:42 PM

A good friend of mine (& a very good engineer during the years that I employed him) lost a battle to/with the bottle & passed away Xmas day last year, we all did what we could to help for years but to no avail, the only one who did nothing to help was he himself, so YES I DO understand the situation, but there comes a point that you have to accept & wait for the outcome that you know will be death. By the time that that has happened you are out of sympathy & a harsh as it may sound, all his mates where glad that it was over for him as he had been living in pain, so far gone that the social system could not help him in anyway.
RIP my mate Mick Nulty (they say you are not forgotton if someone remembers your name after you are gone).
Skipy

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:11 PM

There is no need for me to use words like using a dead girls obituary to try and win useless points on a trivial internet forum is there? Hopefuly people will understand that such things are pretty sick. Those are my last words on the subject apart from, 'Rest in Peace? Fat chance...'.

DtG

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:17 PM

Megan L and SINS (and others)... wise words.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:25 PM

Seems Amy joins the 27 Club - along with Robert Johnson, Jimi Hendrix, Marc Bolan, Jim Morrison, Brian Jones, Kurt Kobain, Janis Joplin...

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article4567970.ece

RIP.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: JennieG
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:29 PM

27 is the age, isn't it.....Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, James Morison, Brian Jones of the original Rolling Stones.....and now Amy Winehouse.....all died aged 27. While I didn't follow either her music or her life, it is too young to lose anyone - condolences to her family.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 06:33 PM

Amy's was, I believe, the last CD I ever bought (2006-ish?). And before that, I hadn't bought a CD in a long time, much less a 'pop' (you know what I mean) CD.

Point is, I liked the music enough to go to a record store and buy a CD -- which is rare in this day, for someone like me.

I even departed from my regularly scheduled programme of 'rousing' shanties to perform one of her songs on my Youtube channel.

(No self-promotion here; far from it -- the singing is poor, and the guitar-playing worse. But a lot of 'folk' music people here will know that if you like a song, you just sing it! And hers were good songs.)
Love is a Losing Game

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Lox
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:00 PM

Unfortunately Josepps prejudice is not supported by science.

The fact is that people ARE born addicts.

At least, in so far as their dopamine levels and the stability of their dopamine production is concerned.

Links between dopamine levels and addiction are pretty well established.

Addiction is an illness, just like schizophrenia is an illness, or cancer, or hepatitis.

Amy winehouse lived a miserable existence but brought us some moments of great beauty and soulful depth.

She wasn't famous because of her looks, nor because of her drive or sense of self entitlement.

It was her music and her voice and the heart with which she sang that made us want to know who she was.

Thanks Amy - RIP

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:06 PM

Well said Lox.

biLL

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Nick
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:09 PM

Just watching a tribute to her on TV and whatever she was like I just enjoy her singing. It seems a sad waste of a life as well as a talent.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMyQfHWEOh0

Well said, Lox. And stop being your usual tosseriferous self for minute, eh, josepp.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 07:30 PM

a minute

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,Josepp
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:11 PM

////Unfortunately Josepps prejudice is not supported by science.

The fact is that people ARE born addicts./////


That is absolutely untrue. Addiction is a compulsion that entails obsessing over the substance or activity one is addicted to. The addict simply has to have it. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY a newborn infant can have such thoughts. They can be born dependent on drugs if the mother was addicted to them at the time of birth but that is not an addiction because addiction entails an obsession with the substance and not a mere dependency.

I can tell you never had to deal with addicts in your life. I had to learn all about it.

It's true that some people seem more predispposed towards becoming addicts than others that might be genetic. But no one knows to what extent this is true. But regardless noe one is BORN an addict--impossible.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:23 PM

Well josiedude, it's also true that some people seem more predisposed towards becoming assholes than others................Many of us can tell that by your postings on this thread.


Spaw

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:33 PM

Well said, catspaw. Josepp wouldn't know how to put up a tasteful, appropriate post if he had a ten-foot high sign next to his computer giving him step-by-step instructions. He talks like he has history but he writes like a headstrong 16-year-old with nil experience of life.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:36 PM

Yeah whatever.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:44 PM

Make that 13 year old................

Spaw

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: buddhuu
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 08:53 PM

Some of you people are fucked up. Oh, so smug, so clever, so judgemental.

Amy Winehouse was a very fine singer. Someone used the words "breath of fresh air". Damn right.

Real talent. That is rare enough that we should all mourn its premature passing.

Ms W made some mistakes and unfortunate decisions. We all do. We're all human. Many of us are lucky enough to survive the mistakes we make, Amy wasn't. Personally, I am very sorry about that. Very sad indeed.

I could hardly believe some of what I read. Regardless of cause of death, regardless of talent, a young girl of just 27 dies and some of you feel the need to score points off her for her failings?

Well, fuck you.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 09:55 PM

I can't say in the beginning I knew very much - or anything - about her music. But there's an expression, "Teachers by their students are taught." It proved to be quite true in my case: Over the last couple of years, I heard about (and learned about) Amy Winehouse from my students. I'm referring to her music; her sad battles with her addictions were already known to me from media coverage.

Deep down, I hoped she'd be able to weather the storms, conquer the demons, or whatever other phrase you want to use. She had talent. I wanted to see her triumph. And sadly, it was not to be.

I'm old enough to remember nearly all the musicians mentioned earlier in this thread who died too young (except Robert Johnson). Whether or not it was "expected," it's still tragic to have to add a talented singer like Amy Winehouse to that list.

My heart goes out to her family. To lose her must be devastating. To lose her in such a public way must be unimaginably heartbreaking.

RIP, Amy.

Jay

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: squeezyjohn
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:02 PM

The long and short of it ... very sad. Nobody's fault really. Human beings are designed to have very little down time in between sleeping and hunting/gathering food - but we do have an awful lot of leisure time in modern times. Some make the most beautiful art with this free time and others self-destruct - and a very special few do both and it comes to our attention, like in this case.

Even sadder is that some use that time to play golf which is benign AND useless to others!

Amy Winehouse is dead and that is an awful thing because she is/was a person with real alive people who knew her and will be very upset.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jul 11 - 10:35 PM

Well say what you like - it wasn't folk music. Not in the real sense. I bet if Cecil Sharp and Jim Carrol had happened upon Amy's caravan and said sing us some old songs and she'd sung that stuff off the first album.

They would have said, nay lass! you're not doing a floorspot at our club. By the 1954 definition - its complete bollocks.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 04:16 AM

Huge talent, issues holding onto reality and dying at 27.

All a bit rock & roll really.

When rock stars were popping off like flies, I was saddened but being young assumed this was how life was.

Now, all I can think is I have a lad her age. Waste of talent? Waste of life.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:06 AM

Even if she had not gone on to make great music, she may at least have gone on to be a happy, fulfilled woman and had friendships - even children. One feels for her family and her real friends. Unfortunately, my thoughts will also turn to the drug suppliers, who preyed upon her - and that includes the alcohol and cigarette pushers. She suffered from emphysema, which made cigarettes a lethal drug for her.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 06:22 AM

You realise there'll be kids turning up at your local folk club from tomorrow and in 30 years time inspired by the songs and singing of Amy.

It just makes you realise the real heroes of the folk revival are the club organisers who will facilitate and help these people. Folk music is what the people want it to be,

The preservers of the tradition, and the people who want to use folk as an adjunct to the entertainment industry - there just two sides of the same bad penny that keeps turning up.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Richard from Liverpool
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 08:59 AM

A brilliant singer who wrote beautiful songs. Perhaps the greatest musician of the 00s.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: glueman
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 10:29 AM

Amy Winehouse was prodigiously talented as a singer and songwriter. If she could have kept herself together she'd have gone down as one of the great white jazz/soul singers. She seemed burdened by her abilities, as though genius had been installed in a regular north London girl without any consent.
RIP Amy.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Stringsinger
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 11:23 AM

Why are we at war with a country that produces 75% or more of drug related products?
And has this war curbed the availability of drugs on the market?
As they say in legalese, "Cui bono?"

Why is the Mexican cartel so powerful? Who in the US is financing this operation?

Then there is Colombia.

"Lady Day", Billie Holiday had underworld connections that kept her habit going.

The "war on drugs" is a charade, a "don't look under the curtain" game played by law enforcement, many of whom are "on the take". (Anybody remember Iran/Contra?)

Amy Winehouse was a casualty of a failed drug policy. Addiction is almost impenetrable because the underlying causes have to do with politics, religion and economics.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 24 Jul 11 - 12:04 PM

Her father said last year that he feared she would join the 27 club. Sadly his fears came true.


http://thechaosofdeath.blogspot.com/2008/02/27-club.html

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: alanabit
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:34 AM

A beautiful and moving elegy from Russell Brand.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,livelylass
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 05:24 AM

Yes, I saw that yesterday. Russel had some very thoughtful things to say, which are also pertinent to some of the comments that have been made on here. Here's the final paragraph:

"Now Amy Winehouse is dead, like many others whose unnecessary deaths have been retrospectively romanticised, at 27 years old. Whether this tragedy was preventable or not is now irrelevant. It is not preventable today. We have lost a beautiful and talented woman to this disease. Not all addicts have Amy's incredible talent. Or Kurt's or Jimi's or Janis's, some people just get the affliction. All we can do is adapt the way we view this condition, not as a crime or a romantic affectation but as a disease that will kill. We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care. We need to look at the way our government funds rehabilitation. It is cheaper to rehabilitate an addict than to send them to prison, so criminalisation doesn't even make economic sense. Not all of us know someone with the incredible talent that Amy had but we all know drunks and junkies and they all need help and the help is out there. All they have to do is pick up the phone and make the call. Or not. Either way, there will be a phone call."

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Barb'ry
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 05:58 AM

I'm sad that she has died - whatever the cause - she was hugely talented and so young. Life is precious.

I'm also sad, and frankly disgusted, that people here can even squabble and argue over someone's death.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: billybob
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 06:11 AM

Thanks alanabit, that is very moving .
A truely wonderful performer. So very sad,
RIP

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Lox
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 06:18 AM

Well Josepp,


You are wrong again.

I have extensive personal experience of the effects of addiction.

That was my motivation for reading up about addiction.

Which is how I know about how it relates to dopamine.

Dopamine production levels are something which are predetermined in the womb and consequently some babies are born with a propensity to addiction.


Before you make any more of an idiot of yourself I suggest you read up on the subject too.

You may have to go deeper than a google search.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Lox
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 06:26 AM

PS

Maybe its not technically folk, but this iis folky enough for me, and certainly stands as a challenge to the naysayers.

Amy jamming to noone in a park on a sunny day

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 07:29 AM

I remember what Gore vidal siad when Truman Capote died.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 08:11 AM

Thank you for the link to the wonderful, moving and compassionate words from Russell Brand. Thanks also for the YouTube link which I really enjoyed watching/listening to.

We have been left with some beautiful and amazing music. She was a truly talented singer/songwriter.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 08:11 AM

+ 1 on what Sinsull, Eanjay, Lox and Alanabit said.

And I have considerable experience of addiction and its effects, not only on the addict but also, and equally importantly, on their family and friends (if they have any friends left).

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: goatfell
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 12:53 PM

it is sad thaty she died so young a waste of life

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 25 Jul 11 - 04:31 PM

No cause of death has been given, while an inquest was opened and adjourned until 26 October. Results of further toxicology tests could take four weeks.

The 27-year-old singer's body was found on Saturday at her home in Camden, north London.

On Monday, her father Mitch Winehouse thanked fans for their tributes, saying: "I can't tell you what this means to us. It really is making this a lot easier."

Visiting his daughter's home, he added the loss left him "speechless".

The singer's mother and brother also visited the site to see the flowers, cards and photos fans laid in tribute.

A family spokesman had earlier said the funeral would be held as soon as possible, with coroners issuing interim death certificates allowing arrangements to be made.

Traditionally, Jewish funerals take place as quickly as possible following a death.


So bloody sad.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:22 AM

The funeral is today.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,Callingbird
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 03:59 AM

I feel so sorry for her and her family.

Josepp....

Your comments take me back to the early days of aids when there were people like you spitting out hatred and fear.

Your 'holier than thou' attitude reflects your true soul.

No decent, human compassion within in.

People like you terrify me.

Subject: RE: Obit: Amy Winehouse (1983-2011)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 26 Jul 11 - 04:04 AM

I met two of the people from the so-called Club 27 list. I liked them both. I am sorry they died. I am sorry that Amy died. I feel deeply for her family.