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Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)

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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 03:56 PM

Does a Waterson family tree exist? Not a Pete Frame one. I'm wondering how John Harrison is related, they say in the documentary he's a cousin. Mum's side or Dad's side? Anyone know his birth date? He hasn't got a Wiki that I know of.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 10:35 PM

GUEST, about John Harrison,
the only other thing that my searches can glean is that
he is referred to as a "second cousin" in some online accounts.
Even these do not say if he was related to
grandmother Eliza Ward, who raised the three Waterson siblings,
or to one of the other four grandparents.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: RTim
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 11:44 PM

Regarding John Harrison....2nd Cousin..

Norma's (and therefore of Lal & Mike) 2nd cousin..would be a Great Grand Parents - Grandson, son of a Cousin first removed. ie a relative that is quite distant...

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 01:39 AM

https://www.folkradio.co.uk/2022/01/tribute-norma-waterson/


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,DAVID NUTTALL
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 05:31 AM

I was so very sorry to hear such sad news of Norma's passing. I have
been a fan of the whole family and their wonderful sounds for over 50
years . I send my sincere condolences to the family and many friends.

DAVID NUTTALL


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 12:51 AM

"Thank Goodness It's Folk", Sheffield's weekly folk radio show, will be running a show devoted to Norma today:

"REMEMBERING NORMA WATERSON"
Sam Hindley and James Fagan look back on the most amazing career of the most beloved singer, the dear departed Norma Waterson. It's a feast of song, from early Waterson days through to her stunning solo work and classic albums with Martin and Eliza.
Please share and please join us.
Friday, 04.02.22, 10am-noon UK time.
Worldwide: www.sheffieldlive.org/player
Sheffield: Radio 93.2FM
Later: www.mixcloud.com/jimbobfagan

(Sorry, you'll have to copy-paste the links; I've tried to make blue clickies but the blickifier doesn't seem to be working.)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 01:29 AM

Have managed to make the links work, so here are blue clickies for you:

https://www.sheffieldlive.org/player/

https://www.mixcloud.com/jimbobfagan (This one will not work until after the programme has aired.)


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: r.padgett
Date: 04 Feb 22 - 02:38 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 05 Feb 22 - 08:47 PM

Any news of the funeral?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 11:46 AM

I see that The Times has an obituary for Norma Waterson.
I cannot read it because of the paywall.

Please could some kind Mudcatter
copy that obituary to this Mudcat thread? Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Feb 22 - 05:12 AM

try the Guardian instead- that's general advice anyway


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 Feb 22 - 05:30 AM

Cut and pasted from the Times

Asked to define folk music, Norma Waterson could have written a book based on her lifetime as the unrivalled matriarch of vernacular English singing. Instead, she offered a one word answer. “Stories,” she said. “Folk music is just stories about the human condition.”

When pressed, she would expand on the definition and point out that even in an age of digital miracles, we still have more in common with our forebears of centuries ago than differentiates us from them. “We’re born, we fall in love, we experience joy and pain and ultimately we all meet the same end. It’s the same cycle,” she said.

Broad Yorkshire in accent and deep in her resonant ability to interpret a lyric, she sang in a serene and unhurried voice. Once described by her husband as an “extraordinary balance of timidity and fearlessness”, she told an interviewer: “I’m basically a shy person, but when I’m singing, I don’t give a shit.”

Yet although she was revered by folk traditionalists and seen as Britain’s answer to Joan Baez, she had no time for purism. “If people say traditional music has got to be like this or like that, you may as well put it in a museum or bury it in the ground in a time capsule,” she said. “You can’t do that with tradition. You have to hope each generation brings their own thing to it, so it keeps going.”

She was a founding member of the Watersons, which became not only the first family of English folk music but also its pre-eminent pillar of traditionalism. At different times the line-up included her sister Lal, brother Mike, cousin John Harrison and husband, Martin Carthy.

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Singing with the family group, her warm but keening voice found a perfect fit within their rich harmonies. In her mid-fifties, however, she also emerged as a solo singer of unparalleled subtlety and interpretative nuance, whether singing 18th century ballads about jolly plough boys and lovelorn milk maids or reimagining rock songs by the likes of Elvis Costello and Billy Bragg. Songs, she said, flowed “like a river” and were therefore “timeless”. When a box set chronicling 40 years of her singing with members of her family was released in 2004, it was titled Mighty River Of Song.

She is survived by her daughter Eliza Carthy, who in turn became one of the finest English folk singers of her generation, and Carthy, the doyen of English folk guitarists, whom she married in 1972. She is also survived by a son, Tim, from her first marriage to Eddie Anderson, a jazz drummer, which ended in divorce.

Martin Carthy, Norma Waterson, Lal Waterson and Mike Waterson in the 1970s
Martin Carthy, Norma Waterson, Lal Waterson and Mike Waterson in the 1970s
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Eliza took great enjoyment in recounting how folk song had brought her parents together. “They’d been eyeing each other up for years, but every time there was a possible opportunity for them to get together, one or the other of them was married,” she said. “Then they found themselves in a studio, late at night, recording Red Wine and Promises and that was what did it — a midnight song about drinking wine.”

Norma Christine Waterson was born in 1939 in Hull. Her mother, Florence, played the piano and her father, Charles, guitar and banjo. On being orphaned during the war, she and her younger siblings Elaine (Lal) and Mike were brought up by Eliza Ward, their Irish maternal grandmother who came from gypsy stock. She taught them the parlour ballads, folk songs and popular music hall numbers she sang around the home and drummed into them that “a good song is a good song,” regardless of its genre or provenance.

The three siblings sang constantly at home and by the late 1950s had formed a skiffle group called the Mariners. With the addition of Harrison, they performed a cappella in Yorkshire’s clubs and pubs, mixing American and British folk songs with pop numbers.

Gradually the former took over, and by the early 1960s they had formed their own folk club called Folk Union One. Operating from the Blue Bell in Hull, the club became a powerhouse of the Yorkshire folk scene as the Watersons delved into the traditional songs and folk customs of the locality.

Their debut album, Frost and Fire, appeared in 1965. Billed as “a calendar of ritual and magic songs”, it showcased their earthy but perfectly calibrated four-part harmonies on ballads and carols associated with folk customs such as wassailing and pace-egging.

Frost and Fire was followed by further albums, including A Yorkshire Garland, which the group promoted with a string of spirited appearances in folk clubs across Britain, their beatnik look earning them the tag “the folk Beatles”.

Waterson and her husband Martin Carthy at Cambridge Folk Festival in 1999
Waterson and her husband Martin Carthy at Cambridge Folk Festival in 1999
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However, Norma soon developed itchy feet which she attributed to “the gypsy blood coming through” and, despite her deep love of the Yorkshire countryside, in 1968 took off for the Caribbean, where she spent four years in Montserrat, working as a radio disc jockey. On her return to Britain the Watersons reformed, with Harrison replaced by Carthy, whose ripe voice fitted readily into the group’s rough-hewn but perfectly rounded vocals. Living on a farm on the Yorkshire moors near Robin Hood’s Bay, which became a folk commune of singing aunts, uncle, cousins and other relatives, their recorded comeback, 1975’s For Pence and Spicy Ale, was voted folk album of the year by Melody Maker.

As the musical family expanded to include a new generation, Norma and Lal sang with their respective daughters, Mari Knight and Eliza Carthy, as the Waterdaughters. In the early 1990s Norma began performing as a trio with her husband and daughter, recording a string of acclaimed albums as Waterson-Carthy, which maintained the Watersons’ vocal harmonies but added instruments such as guitar and fiddle.

Norma also pursued a separate career and her debut solo recording Norma Waterson (1996) was a revelation as her voice emerged on its own with a new and rich resonance. The album almost won her the Mercury Music Prize, coming second to Pulp’s Different Class.

She was appointed MBE in 2002 for services to folk music but was more excited by the fact that the honour earned her an appearance on the front page of The Yorkshire Post, which she said had been a lifetime ambition.

Norma Waterson, MBE, folk singer, was born on August 15, 1939. She died of pneumonia on January 30, 2022, aged 82


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,keberoxu
Date: 07 Feb 22 - 11:22 AM

Thank you, GUEST Guest, that obit is worth reading.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 10:59 AM

BBC Radio 4 programme Last Word has an item on Norma Waterson. It is due to start shortly

Already up and available to listen to, is the following interview.

Norma Waterson was part of the Waterson Carthy dynasty that played a leading role in the English folk revival. Husband and daughter, Martin Carthy and Eliza Carthy, talk about Norma in an extended interview with Matthew Bannister. Martin begins by telling us about Norma’s family.

Last Word


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: GUEST,JoeG
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 12:00 PM

There was an excellent tribute to Norma on BBC Radio 4 programme Last Word tonight and there is an extended 40 min interview with Martin and Eliza at the below link

Last Word tribute to Norma Waterson


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 08:09 PM

WGBH Norma Waterson appreciation

Obituaries: Norma Waterson


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Feb 22 - 07:15 PM

Forgive my presumption, but I admit
to being curious about the funeral/interment -- have heard nothing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Feb 22 - 09:00 PM

I'm being a pest, I know.
Eliza Carthy's Twitter contains tweets --
sent AND received --
referencing Ms. Waterson Carthy's funeral, within the past week.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 03:48 AM

A quick search seems to reveal that the funeral service has taken place and that a video of the service will be put online in the next few days.

I am not a member of any social media sites but I assume an update will follow in due course.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Malcolm Storey
Date: 22 Feb 22 - 06:12 AM

Norma's funeral took place yesterday 21st February 2022.
A full house witnessed a very different ceremony celebrating the life of a very wonderful lady.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Norma Waterson Carthy RIP (1939-2022)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Feb 22 - 12:56 PM

Here are details of the link to view the service


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