Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip

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From: Bill D
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 07:08 PM

aww...you can't trust Micca...he was bemused by our cider..*grin*

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 07:08 PM

And another one missing will be Arthur Marsden, in hospital with heart problems. Hope you make a speedy recovery, Arthur, we'll really miss you.

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Emma B
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 07:08 PM

Bon voyage!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 07:24 PM

Col, someone informed me that Micca had once described me as completely crazy. I thought this was amusing, coming from Micca.

I'm sorry about the Shellbacks who couldn't make the trip. I hope they both feel better soon. I'm really looking forward to meeting y'all!!!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Oct 03 - 10:07 PM

Micca warned you about some of us????? That's the pot calling the kettle black! I spent a week with the man and can tell plenty...but won't.

Micca - the city of Portland is challenging the city of Keene for the record "Most Jack O' Lanterns lit at one time. Remember Keene? Wish us luck.
SINS, about to slaughter a pumpkin.

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Col K
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 12:32 AM

It turns out that Arthur has an infection of the middle ear.Get well soon sorry you are not coming .Leaving the house in 30 mins

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 05:07 AM

Women singing sea chanteys.




scarry and VERY UN-TRADITIONAL

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST,Santa
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 06:53 AM

Guest:Diddums.

No-one ever seems to worry about the sex of the singer in any other part of folk music: Maddy Prior's bold weaver falling in love with a factory maid springs to mind. Just relax and enjoy.

Besides, if you study your folk music, you will realise that half of any given crew were women in disguise searching for their Johnny/Willy/Henry/whoever.

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: VIN
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 07:46 AM

Not to mention the very 'handsome cabin boy'!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST,again
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 12:46 PM

"Official sources account for just more than 20 women who dressed as men and who served in the Royal Navy or Marines from the late 17th century to early 19th centuries"

Not enough for one for each song!

"Women dressed as men played a part in a number of songs, many no doubt a matter of wishful thinking, but there was an underlying reality which made the songs particularly interesting to both genders"

come on! women heaving and hauling!!!!

I don't expect to see 6ft 6 navvies singing songs like "I was once a country maid"

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 12:57 PM

don't forget that the 'age of sail' was also a time when your *AVERAGE* woman probably spent a great deal of her day 'heaving and hauling' something or other.

and if "official" sources document as many as 20 women who served - I'll bet there were a good many more that either are NOT documented, were covered up; or were never discovered "officially".

Again - it may not have been common - but it *did* occur - enough that it made an intrigueing subject.

And I don't know about the women of your acquaintence - but I know more then a few who would deck me if I suggested they were incapable of performing the work aboard a ship.

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 12:58 PM

piffle, 'again', I have SEEN women do this work at places like Mystic Seaport...not as many as men, but there were a few small, weaker male sailors, too..

stupid stereotypes and generalizations are tedious...

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 01:47 PM

Unnamed GUEST - Actually I thought that to be truly traditional you should limit shanty singing to genuine square-rig sailors only. That should help keep things quite. Or is it somehow alright if (male) teachers and social workers join in?

Or perhaps you haven't realised - it's about singing songs!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Emma B
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 01:54 PM

Yes but they are REALLY scary - have a great time folks!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST,again again
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 01:58 PM

Tradition is Tradition,

Women did not go to sea as a rule, they were not part of the chantey tradition and the songs and content of the songs are male orientated e.g.:-

WINDLASS
As I walked out one morning fair,
One more time.
It's there I met Miss Nancy Blair.
One more time.



CHORUS
I shook her up, I shook her down,
One more time.
I shook her round and round the town.
One more time.



CHORUS
There ain't but one thing grieves my mind,
One more time.
It's to leave Miss Nancy Blair behind.
One more time.



CAPSTAN

Was you ever in Quebec
Bonny laddie, highland laddie
Stowing timber on the deck
Bonny highland laddie


CHORUS:
Way ho and away we go
Bonny laddie, highland laddie
Way ho and away we go
Bonny highland laddie

SHORT HAUL DOUBLE PULL

Oh, when I was a little boy me mother often told me;
Way, haul away, we'll haul away for Rosie, Oh.
That if I did not kiss the girls me lips would grow all mouldy.
Way haul away, we'll haul away Joe.

CHORUS
Way haul away, we'll haul for better weather.
Way haul away, we'll haul away Joe.
Way haul away, we'll haul away together.
Way haul away, we'll haul away Joe



HALYARD


Whiskey is the life of man
Whiskey, O, Johnny, O
I'll drink whiskey when I can,
Rise her up from down below.


CHORUS


Whiskey, whiskey, whiskey,O
Up aloft this yard must go,
John rise her up from down below


Folk music is about keeping tradition alive NOT altering things to be PC

I have no problem with people of any sex doing a job they are capable of doing - but Women and chanteys do not mix! even if the women is big strong and butch! and most of the " Small, weaker male sailors, too" didn't last the trip!!!!!

ps I also don't like to hear women swearing and cursing - I might be "old Fashioned" or maybe just traditional

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 02:01 PM

I don't like hearing women swear and curse either - it usually means some poor guy is in a lot of trouble!

women sing MANY songs from the male point of view - so why not shantys?

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Tinker
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 02:32 PM

Back to thread theme... ColK has arrived at JFK and is hopefully getting into a car as I type....

Tinker

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 02:45 PM

HUZZAH!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Snuffy
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 03:18 PM

Soon be there - check in in 10 hours, but first an evening of singing and playing until .....

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: GUEST,again again again
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 03:26 PM

sorry for postingg off topic - I am silent...

hope they have a good time

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 03:36 PM

Just make sure you look after Col....he supplies the majority of the UK with hugs and we would like him back in working order!!!!!

Hope you all have a great time, safe journeys.

Khatt

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Menolly
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 03:38 PM

Do not forget that The Shellback Chorus sing Maritime and Shanties. Very few of the women actually sing Shanties, mainly songs to do with the sea. Theresa is an exception and I defy anyone to deny her the right! A fearsome little lady!
Loads of men sing women's songs and loads of people who have never been down a mine, sing mining songs, plenty of landlubbers sing sea songs and at least the songs are being sung!
I have avoided singing Shanties (except choruses) for the last 30 years, except Lowlands, abotu which there has long been arguments, but I am going to start this winter!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 03:41 PM

Thanks GUEST, I'm sure we will have a great time.

It is an interesting subject for discussion- perhaps you would like to start a thread on it?

(There is no doubt that the content of the songs are male orientated but I don't see why I can't sing shanties if men can (and do, beautifully) sing such songs as Lord Gregory and Shule Aroon.)

....check in in 9hrs...

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: momnopp
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 04:24 PM

yippie yippie yippie yippie

~jumps up and down inexplicably in the middle of her office~


:-D

JudyO

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 05:53 PM

I'm late, but whatthehell. The "women shouldn't sing sea shanties" is silly in its selectiveness. Shanties should be sung by men to be authentic. The should also only be sung on board an appropriate type of vessel and only when performing an appropriate task. There should probably be nothing but accidental harmony, and I'd say at least 25% of singers singing off-key. (Not a bad idea for a thread, but perhaps shanties is too narrow a topic.)

Oh well, I sing sea shanties. If you'd like to be scared, please feel free.

Col K should be at Tinker's now?
Oh well, she's probably too busy talking with him, or she's taken him on a beer hunt!

Subject: RE: Help: U.K Shellbacks Chorus plans forU.S trip
From: Col K
Date: 16 Oct 03 - 06:45 PM

Yes I'm here safely at Tinker's having a quiet evening recovering from the flight. STILL sorting transport situation now that Derek has injured his leg and can not drive. Anyone with photo liscense please bring it with you just incase we need another driver. Barbara has been given the instructions for meeting me at JFK. See you there.

Col