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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Jack Campin Date: 26 Apr 09 - 05:39 PM I guess that after the end of the Bronze Age they all became the Steely Dans? Their national instrument was the Dan Moi, right? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: MartinRyan Date: 26 Apr 09 - 05:43 PM Never heard that term before, Jack - but I have heard a few of them in Ireland, alright! Regards |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Eamonn Shanahan Date: 26 Apr 09 - 10:54 PM "One simple point, we have historical surnames in Ireland from Scandinavia, France, Britain and Flanders etc. but none from Spain or Portugal." Current Irish naming convention came into being during the reign of Brian Boru roughly 1,000 years ago. Names such as "Mc", Mac, or "O" all mean "son of". The last wave of the Danites came 1,000 years earlier and were related to the Halstadt Celts from France, Belgium and Germany. They were also realted to The DANes or the "ScanDANavians" you mentioned. See a pattern? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,mayomick Date: 27 Apr 09 - 11:25 AM I remember reading somewhere that the small dark-haired Irish were descendants of the pre-celts . The celts themselves were tall and light-skinned and constituted an aristocracy over the old inhabitants of the country . It made sense to me reading it at the time , but there does seem something suggestive of nineteen-thirties master race theories about the notion . IMO ,there should be one of those online acronyms for the phrase "I remember reading somewhere" - IRRS .There could be a variation for those inclined to verbosity , ISTRRS :I seem to remember reading somewhere. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 27 Apr 09 - 12:28 PM IRRS could easily be: I have no evidence whatsoever but it sort Of appeals to my dim brain IHNEWBISOATMDB l IN c WITH CLEARLY NOTHING BETTER TO DO |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Tim Leaning Date: 27 Apr 09 - 02:00 PM Sorry misunderstood thread title. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,YOU ARE ALL OF DESECENDANTS OF SPANISH ORIGI Date: 16 Nov 09 - 08:58 PM THE TRUTH IS THAT THE WORLD IS A SMALLER PLACE THAN MOST PEOPLE THINK, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO EUROPE. PEOPLE IN EUROPE ARE MORE CLOSELY RELATED TO EACH OTHER THAN THEIR GOVERNMENTS WOULD LIKE THEM TO BELIEVE. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS FROM WHALES, IRELAND AND THE BRITISH ISLES ARE PREDOMINANTLY OF SPANISH DESCENT. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INTERMIXING FOR MILLENIA; IT IS JUST NOT PRACTICAL FOR THE HOLDERS OF POWER TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WE ARE NOT AS DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER AS THE MEDIA CLAIMS WE ARE. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST Date: 16 Nov 09 - 09:15 PM "IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS FROM WHALES, IRELAND AND THE BRITISH ISLES ARE PREDOMINANTLY OF SPANISH DESCENT." Ha - I guess they're descended from sperm whales. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Clontarf83 Date: 17 Nov 09 - 12:10 AM I was told by someone somewhere that the origin of the Claddagh ring was a ring sent by the King of Spain to indicate his permission for a Spaniard to marry a local (Galway) girl. Looks like this is another piece of blarney.... |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Lonesome EJ Date: 17 Nov 09 - 12:10 PM Hibernia has nothing to do with Iberia. It's derived from the latin word for Winter. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Jack Campin Date: 17 Nov 09 - 12:36 PM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INTERMIXING FOR MILLENIA humans don't interbreed with species that type in capitals. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Lonesome EJ Date: 17 Nov 09 - 12:41 PM Capitalists? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 17 Nov 09 - 12:52 PM What a priceless f*cking thread L in C |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Guest Date: 17 Nov 09 - 01:24 PM This may be another myth - but I recall reading somewhere that Moorish pirates were wont to regularly raid and pillage and rape, etc. the west coast of Ireland during the Middle Ages. Perhaps this is a source of the black Irish? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 17 Nov 09 - 01:41 PM No, no stop it and leave now L in C |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Gulliver Date: 17 Nov 09 - 06:40 PM Hibernia has nothing to do with Iberia. It's derived from the latin word for Winter. Hibernia is not from the Latin from Winter, it's taken from the Greek name for Ireland: Iverna. Don |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Lonesome EJ Date: 17 Nov 09 - 11:41 PM The Greek name for Ireland was Ierne. The Romans of Caesar's time often referred to it as Scoti, and there is some debate as to whether the term Hibernia was applied to Iceland or Ireland by the Romans. At any rate, the Latin word for winter is certainly hiberna. It is also known that Strabo and Julius Caesar and other writers, who place Ierne and Hibernia geographically north of Britain, considered it a cold country, and that the historian Claudian referred to it as icy. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:17 AM Well, contrary to all expectations, that seems to have solved all mysteries concerning Spain and Ireland. init L in C |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:27 AM Despite such beautiful scenery, if I was to visit Ireland these days, I'd be more keen on a folk-club than a golf-club... Poem 12 of 230: GOLF AT KILLARNEY At Killarney Golf and Fishing Club, There's two great courses to be found; Built on Ireland's fine Ring of Kerry, Both are really worth a round. From the local social Youth Hostel, I hitched (doing as Irish do); Then paid to play both the courses, But missed five holes - Hostel curfew. The fairways were lush and nicely groomed, And the course views the best I've seen; With walks beside the lakes and mountains, I'm proud to say to there I've been. From a href="http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse">http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book) Or http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll) (C) David Franks 2003 |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Smedley Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:30 AM Not much about Spanish influence there...... (My caddy was a lovely fella He made a tasty pan of paella............???) |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 18 Nov 09 - 05:35 AM I enjoyed paella - when I was in Spain; and when in Rome... |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 18 Nov 09 - 07:28 AM We've got all these folk songs about the naughty misdeeds of sailors in foreign ports and you think we need an "official" connection between Spain and Ireland? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Lonesome EJ Date: 18 Nov 09 - 12:19 PM There are several interesting sites regarding the derivation of the name Hibernia and Irish history in general. This is a very interesting site that spends a lot of time on the history and myths of ancient Ireland. This is a very scholarly study of the ancient world's knowledge of Ireland, its cloudy reputation as the Western Edge of the World, the various names given it, and the possibility of confusion as to the related geographies of Iceland, Ireland, and Scotland. What seems clear after a small bit of investigation, is that the origin of the word Hibernia is not clear at all. Theories range from the latin word for winter (as I stated), the Greek allusion to Iverna (as Don stated), some relationship to the Ibernia River in Spain (as Eamonn Shanahan stated), a possible connection to a King or tribe named Eber, and so on. I do think the Roman term has a lot to do with a name for Ireland that sounded to them like "the land of winter", or Hibernia. It was probably a convenient and rather humorous way of dismissing the island as a place they didn't want to deal with. I certainly don't believe that there was any significant Spanish influence in West Ireland resulting from contact with survivors of the Armada. Were there Celts from the Iberian Peninsula who found their way to Ireland and had a racial and cultural impact? That seems much more likely. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: mg Date: 18 Nov 09 - 12:36 PM Haven't there been DNA studies? What do they say? And you can tell if the Spanish/Moorish influence came from the male line, as in sailors etc., or female, as in perhaps indigenous. Someone referred to the men of Dunquin as aboriginal in an old book for what that is worth. My father always said we were Black Irish..at least he was..I don't look a bit even Irish...and I thought it was from the Garvey line who were from Dingle area...but I saw pictures of my ggm with two daughters and they looked totally Spanish..but we thought she was from the middle of Ireland somewhere..but just last week found her obitiuary and it said she was from County Kerry... |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Jack Campin Date: 18 Nov 09 - 01:48 PM Were there Celts from the Iberian Peninsula who found their way to Ireland and had a racial and cultural impact? That seems much more likely. Why should Spanish arrivals have been Celtic? The major seafaring group in northern Spain is the Basques. There is good reason to believe there were no such arrivals. There are a lot of loanwords in Irish for maritime terms - but they're all from Norse. Any people that travelled hundreds of miles by sea to get to Ireland would have brought some words with them. And there are no Spanish, Iberian Celtic or Basque seafaring words in Irish. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Lonesome EJ Date: 18 Nov 09 - 01:50 PM Interesting point about the maritime terms. So your theory, Jack? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Thompson Date: 18 Nov 09 - 02:01 PM Incidentally, The Spanish Lady is a song about a Dublin prostitute. Nothing to do with the west. Why did I see the title of this thread as 'Spanish Influenza in West Ireland'? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 20 Nov 09 - 01:53 PM What Jack Campin said and why was my joke about vasectomy removed? L in C
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Jack Campin Date: 20 Nov 09 - 02:05 PM If somebody removed all trace of the Basques from Ireland that would have been a vascectomy. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 20 Nov 09 - 02:08 PM Stop me, stop me ................. Perhaps a Basquectomy? See I should have been stopped L in C |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Lonesome EJ Date: 20 Nov 09 - 02:55 PM If somebody removed all trace of the Basques from Ireland that would have been a vascectomy. Wouldn't that be like putting all your Basques in one exit? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Johnny Spanish Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:07 AM LOL, you guys are funny I have often wondered about this as well because I'm hispanic, and I have cousins and friends who are very fair and often have freckles and light eyes...it makes me scratch my head when the rest of us are kind of swarthy and then every once and a while I meet folks that are kind of swarthy and I ask them if they're hispanic and they swear to me that they're 100% Irish. I dunno, I think somewhere along the line somebody might have "crossed a fence" or two ^^ |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Get over it. YOU are Hispanic! Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:21 PM Whales, Sperm Whales, Wales, Welch, Irish, Scottish, Celtic, Galic, Gaul, British, Brittany, Swarthy, Freckles, Red hair, Blonde hair, Black hair, Brown eyes, Blue eyes, Hazel eyes, Green eyes, Gray eyes, Spanish, Hispanic, Latin,... Oh, that's right! I almost forgot, ...Goths, Visigoths, Germanic, Vandals, Andalusians, Aryans, Persians, Bagpipes -the true origins of the beloved Bagpipes- etc., etc., ... If you've seen one Euro you've seen them all. You can tell you guys apart? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Johnny Spanish Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:49 PM Wow, I think I just witnessed somebody going insane...creepy Oh an BTW when you say "you guys" I guess you mean all Hispanics and that all us Hispanics are the same. Sigh, ignorance goes hand in hand with stereotypes. Yes, I know the difference, and just because you can't tell doesn't mean that there isn't one. The proximity of Spain to Ireland, though, does not require a leap of imagination. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Jeri Date: 04 Dec 09 - 09:16 PM You are the one who used the phrase 'you guys'. To whom were you referring? |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Johnny Spanish Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:27 PM When I said "you guys were funny" I meant the people in the forum, some were actually posting good humor and jokes so I don't think the term "funny" should have been taken as offensive. I think there is some equivocation here, I'm sorry I ever posted >< |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Commonality in people and history. Commonali Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:34 AM Roman influences: Brittania, Londinium, Aque Sulis,... Hispanic born Roman Emperors: Trajan, Hadrian, Hadrian's wall,... The Spanish Empire: Germany, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, Italy, France, Africa, Asia, Oceania, Habsburgs, Bourbons, Charles I, Phillip II... Hence: Mobilis, Mueble, Mueblen, Möbel, Movable... |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: michaelr Date: 05 Dec 09 - 02:06 AM No worries Johnny -- some folks here are hyper-sensitive and smell trolls under every bridge. Don't let that bother you. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Lonesome EJ Date: 05 Dec 09 - 02:37 AM Hey Johnny, I posted that Basque pun 2 weeks ago and got not a single remark, even though I thought it was pure genius. Instead this thread sank like a stove-in Armada galleon off Great Blasket. I'm glad somebody saw fit to say "you guys are funny". |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Johnny Spanish Date: 05 Dec 09 - 03:57 AM Lololol, yeah between the Basquectomy jokes and yours I was expecting a more lighthearted response. Whatever, I don't offend too easy ^^ |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 05 Dec 09 - 04:39 AM Have I missed the point here: "Whales, Sperm Whales, Wales, Welch, Irish, Scottish, Celtic, Galic, Gaul, British, Brittany, Swarthy, Freckles, Red hair, Blonde hair, Black hair, Brown eyes, Blue eyes, Hazel eyes, Green eyes, Gray eyes, Spanish, Hispanic, Latin,... Oh, that's right! I almost forgot, ...Goths, Visigoths, Germanic, Vandals, Andalusians, Aryans, Persians, Bagpipes -the true origins of the beloved Bagpipes- etc., etc., ... If you've seen one Euro you've seen them all. You can tell you guys apart? " I read this as something like Europe is and for a long time has been a melting pot that doesn't entirely melt? No, maybe not L in C |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,You are the same Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:32 AM That was the point of: "Whales, Sperm Whales, Wales, Welch, Irish, Scottish, Celtic, Galic, Gaul, British, Brittany, Swarthy, Freckles, Red hair, Blonde hair, Black hair, Brown eyes, Blue eyes, Hazel eyes, Green eyes, Gray eyes, Spanish, Hispanic, Latin,... Oh, that's right! I almost forgot, ...Goths, Visigoths, Germanic, Vandals, Andalusians, Aryans, Persians, Bagpipes -the true origins of the beloved Bagpipes- etc., etc., ... If you've seen one Euro you've seen them all. You can tell you guys apart? " Every one is the same. People just like to look for nuances in each other to use as an excuse to divide and conquer (i.e. those god damn muslim "terrorists" that live on top of our oil!). |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:43 AM Got it. Exlnt L in C |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,People are people! Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:59 AM That was the point of: "Whales, Sperm Whales, Wales, Welch, Irish, Scottish, Celtic, Galic, Gaul, British, Brittany, Swarthy, Freckles, Red hair, Blonde hair, Black hair, Brown eyes, Blue eyes, Hazel eyes, Green eyes, Gray eyes, Spanish, Hispanic, Latin,... Oh, that's right! I almost forgot, ...Goths, Visigoths, Germanic, Vandals, Andalusians, Aryans, Persians, Bagpipes -the true origins of the beloved Bagpipes- etc., etc., ... If you've seen one Euro you've seen them all. You can tell you guys apart? " Every one is the same. People just like to look for nuances in each other to use as an excuse to divide and conquer (i.e. those god damn muslim "terrorists" that live on top of our oil!). Oh that's right, except for those "nice" -European- muslims -without oil- from Bosnia and Herzegovina. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Dec 09 - 03:32 PM There are a lot of strange names in the "from" boxes in many messages in this thread. Allow me to advise you or our posting policy:
Thank you. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: ard mhacha Date: 06 Dec 09 - 08:49 AM And to finish, Hibernian is a less than ordinary football team in the Scottish league. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: ard mhacha Date: 10 Dec 09 - 05:16 AM Not forgetting President Obama and Mohamed Ali. |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 10 Dec 09 - 12:13 PM Yes |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: Les in Chorlton Date: 10 Dec 09 - 12:14 PM One hundred times yes! L in C |
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Subject: RE: Spanish Influence in West Ireland From: GUEST,Newcomer Date: 11 Dec 09 - 11:01 PM Yes, I've noticed the complexion on Sean Connery, Colin Farrell, Catherine Zeta-Jones, etc. Have you guys seen the complexion of world famous athletes, such as: Spain: Pau Gasol (professional basketball player) Spain: Feliciano Lopez, Juan Carlos Ferrero (professional tennis players) USA: Jeff Garcia (professional american football player) Cuba: Luis Gonzalez (professional baseball player) |
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