Tune Req: Catalina (from Blazin' Fiddles)

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: brioc
Date: 29 May 03 - 08:49 AM

Oh Helen, you are amazing!
The latest I've found out is this. According to the list of titles, and compared to the CD ( my friend has only the burnt copies, you see) it is most definitely titled "Wild Rover" Paddy REilly!!!!!!!!!
However, maybe the bit in brackets that says CAmpbell, Trad.Arr. will shine more light on. Or maybe Paddy REilly decided that because it was a foreign production ( ie. France?) he could fob off this lovely piece under that title.? I DON'T KNOW!!!!

TEch: I can play the CD into the computer ( give me a couple of days so I can get hold of it again ). How do I then copy? Sorry, but you have to give me STep 1, step 2 etc!!
Our computer also has a microphone! Should I sing it? I have no problem singing!!! I also play mandolin and tin whistle! What sound programme?
Thanks for all your help. WE produced the peice to our band last night, and as expected-------------if you can give me the music, yes its nice and would be lovely!!! My friend has tried to write it out, but we have problems with beat!
Its worth digging I think, just to get to the bottom of the prob. If Paddy Reilly has done a swizz or not!!!!!!!!!!!!

cheers
brioc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: brioc
Date: 29 May 03 - 08:53 AM

ps. I can't find any reference to Paltalk on my Mudcat homepage! Where do I find it and how do I use it?
Brioc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 29 May 03 - 09:02 AM

G'day brioc,

If you have a "CD Burner" program on your computer, it will save the contents - or any track - of a CD ... perhaps as a ~.wav file ... much too big to send to anyone. However, on a PC you may have MS Media Player - and this will save a track in ~.wma format. For the average track, this comes to 2 or 3 MB ... a lot to email, but not impossible - and this plays at "near CD" quality in the recipient's Windows Media Player (I sent some John Warner song tracks to MMario by this means recently, so he could judge my revised MIDIs of the songs tunes).

There are MP3 programs that let you save at much higher compressions - and still sound quite good ... certainly fine for hearing and identifying a tune. I have not used one ... yet!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 29 May 03 - 09:22 AM

Okay, now maybe we are getting somewhere.

Can you tell us:

* what sound or media programmes you have on your computer, and
* what sort of computer it is, e.g. Apple Mac or PC, and also what version of Windows, e.g. Windows 95, 98, XP, etc

My computer (a PC, with Windows XP) has a programme called Windows Media Player, and I can copy a CD track really easily with that. I need to know whether you have that programme, or a similar media programme which plays audio files.

I imagine that RealPlayer and similar free programmes would have the capability to copy tracks off CD's as well.

This would be a lot easier than recording you singing or playing, because in my (limited) experience of trying to record sounds I have found that your computer has to be configured *just right* to get it to work properly.

If you don't currently have a programme which can copy CD tracks, that's not a huge problem either. There will be a free downloadable programme somewhere on the net which will do that.

Your friend who made the copy of the CD could probably quite easily make a copy of just that one track, store it as a file, e-mail you a copy, or give it to you on a disk, and you can then e-mail it to me.

If I can't identify it I'm sure other Mudcatters can, so I will find somewhere to put the file, either in Mudcat or on my own home page so that others can listen to it.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: brioc
Date: 30 May 03 - 02:52 PM

OK. I have a PC working with XPHOME.
Windows media player is on it. I have also just downloaded Noteworthy Composer. There I am attempting to write it in. Give me time!! I have also just bought a cable to attach my keyboard to the computer. Maybe I can do it that way. I don't have a CD burner, nor does my friend. The third friend lives in Ireland!
Should have more time tomorrow.
cheers
Brioc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 30 May 03 - 07:16 PM

But, Brioc, does your computer have a CD-ROM drive. Can you use software from CD's in your computer? If you can then you will be able to copy the track from the CD you have and send me a copy of the file. If you do that then we can all listen to the track you have on your CD.

Congrats on getting Noteworthy. It's a step in the right direction, because you can type in the notes and then listen to the tune, and work out where it needs to be changed. Then when it is right you will be able to print out the music/dots.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 03 - 05:48 PM

Brigid/Brioc,

Mudcat is going offline for 10 days. I have sent you a personal message with my e-mail address so that you can send me the CD track as a computer file, or the midi or Noteworthy file when you finish that.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 06 Jun 03 - 02:04 AM

refresh - waiting for more info or a song file from Brioc/Brigid.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 04 Jul 03 - 07:11 PM

Okay, we are now at the next stage of this search. Brioc/Brigid has put the tune into Noteworthy - launching into the brave new world of notation software - Bravo, Brigid!! Now you are there you want want to stop!

The new Midi is now on the Mudcat midi page so please, listen to it and see if you recognise it. Make sure you listen all the way through because it changes in the second half and has a distinctive pattern with a low note. It sounds vaguely familiar to me, even has the feeling of a Carolan tune, but probably not his.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Jim McLean
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 04:55 AM

I've been following this thread and am amazed at Helen's dedication and thoroughness! Congratulations, but under what title is the tune listed in the Midi Pages?
Thanks,
Jim Mclean

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Noreen
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 05:00 AM

Brioc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Jim McLean
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 05:53 AM

Thanks Noreen. I'm afraid it rings no bells atall.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Noreen
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 05:54 AM

I've listened thoroughly several times, and can honestly say I've never heard this tune before in my life.

It doesn't even sound 'Celtic' to me (whatever that means) and I would put a LOT of money on it not being by Carolan.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: brioc
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 12:16 PM

thanks folks for being able to put the tune into midi. I have not been successful in getting the CD for a few hours (yet), nbut when I do I will let you know and you can give me a step by step instruction on how to copy it into the computer!

I don't know the origin of the celtic bit, but the CD collection (4) is .
Wouldn't it be great if someone knew it and could enlighten us all.k
brioc

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 07:31 PM

I suspect that your early information including the name of Anton Davila, the Galician piper, might hold the clue to this. Once we have a copy of the track we can e-mail Anton via his website and see if it is one of his compositions, or whether he knows the tune.

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Helen
Date: 05 Jul 03 - 07:38 PM

Brigid,

Is this CD a commercial compilation, rather than a set of tracks copied by someone onto a CD? If it is a commercial one, do you know the name of the album?

Helen

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Jim McLean
Date: 06 Jul 03 - 03:49 PM

It could be a Breton air as it sounds French in places, especially in the second part, and this could be the Cletic connection.
Jim Mclean

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: skarpi
Date: 15 Jul 10 - 06:31 PM

hallo all , just a thought ,

Marino Casino , its a tune from the fiddler in Dubliners , John .
also Flowers of Normandy , amazing tunes , we play them both .

all the best Skarpi Iceland .

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Marje
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 05:20 AM

If anyone's still interested, the tune given by Noreen above with the "Brioc" clicky is called "Catalina" as played by Blazing Fiddles. See http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/2886
Acording to The Session, it is also known as the Northumbrian, which isn't very "celtic" at all.

Marje

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,Noreen
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 05:43 AM

You're right, Marje. Indeed it looks very like it.

Thanks skarpi for resurrecting this old puzzle- I wonder if brioc/brigid ever found it, and is she still around if not?!

Catalina: the dots

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,Noreen at work
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 05:49 AM

The last time brioc posted was over 2 yrs ago, so probably not still around, unfortunately.

35 second clip of Blazin' Fiddles playin' Catalina

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Jul 10 - 06:13 AM

A longer clip of Blazin' Fidlles/ Catalina is on this site

On www.footstompin.com/products/cds/the_old_style it calls Catalina "A gorgeous tune by Maurice Lennon - John Hurley"

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: GUEST,Brioc
Date: 17 Jul 10 - 08:50 AM

well I'll be blowed!!! This is just amazng. After 7 years..........and I haven't been into Mudcat for lots of those years.sorry.

Thank you all so much. I'll certainly not leave Mudcat waiting so long in the future..........

Brigid

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: Noreen
Date: 18 Jul 10 - 07:11 PM

Glad you came back, Brigid!
Had you found the tune before now?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz
From: brioc
Date: 24 Jul 10 - 04:32 AM

We have been playing it with accordion, mandolin, flute and guitars for those years. And christened it The Campbell Waltz!! Our accordion player came up with a plausible reason for that then............