BS: GUEST posters who start fights

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 06:31 AM

Brucie, I do understand how angry you can feel, but you are still in charge of your responses to GUEST whoever he/she might be. It's like the playground bully. Ask yourself how you responded then, and it may tell you something of why you get upset now. Me, I hold with no censorship, as that one is a slippery slope, but if I skim a reply and realize it's only there to push my buttons, I "blip" over it, as Charley Brown so wisely used to say. There is so much worth reading on so many different threads, that it's up to you as to how much time you're willing to spend being angry and responsive to GUEST (or anyone else for that matter) or moving onto the posts you either enjoy, or offer something worth pondering...yes?..xx..(your cat-loving friend)..e

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 09:20 AM

Ignore them. To me, they are simply boors who would act rudely in another's house, deliberately spilling chili on the carpet, scratching the antiques with the bent rivets in their jeans, and tearing the carpet up with their locked-rowel spurs. I'm certain that they talk loudly during concerts, leave their cell phone's ringer set on "highest" in church, smoke in non-smoking areas, and illegally park in handicapped spaces.

I also have opinions about their personal, hygienic, sexual, and work habits as well as their tastes in music, art, food, and lifestyle.

But I digress; just ignore them.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 11:04 AM

My, what a fine lot of perfect human beings, members be.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 11:29 AM

I like the forum as it is, and I don't use filters. Now here is the great opportunity that is provided by abusive, sarcastic, smugly superior, insulting, hostile, devious, maliciously-inclined, anonymous, and nameless Guests....to members of this forum:

They provide us members with an opportunity to learn how NOT to let our buttons be pushed. This can be a very useful learning experience if you are willing to let it be.

I used to play chess on an internet site. You would just log on, and start playing with whoever else logged on. One time I got some kid who was just there to fuck around and irritate people. He made a few dumb opening moves, and kept typing in various obscene remarks in between them to me on the bottom of the page, below the chessboard.

Did I get mad? No. Why would I get mad? What good would it do? No, I was really amused that anyone would bother to do that on a chess site. I replied to his remarks with responses such as... "Really?" "How often?" "Does your mother know you talk like this?" "I think you've got me confused with someone else." "Gosh, tell me more!" and so on...

I thoroughly enjoyed the whole incident, which only lasted about 3 minutes. Then whoever it was ran out of dirty words, figured it wasn't much fun talking to me anyway, and logged off.

Now I could have ruined my whole day by raging around about it indignantly, dumping my frustration on whoever else was nearby, dashing off a furious email to the administrator of the chess site DEMANDING that something be done to screen out such people, etc... (yawn)

No, folks, these assholes that attempt to pull your chain anonymously on the Net are simply giving you a heaven-sent opportunity to master yourself and become stronger and happier in the process. Whether they realize it or not!

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 12:08 PM

Check and Mate..x..e

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:15 PM

I must say I have disagreed with some of Martin G's posts in the past but People who post just as "Guest" post empty words because their empty identity has absolutely no impact. Who cares what you say. You are nameless and therefore, souless. hits the nail on the head.

Just don't worry, Brucie. You can prove exactly who you are. People can speak to you and meet you in the real world. You have no qualms about giving people deatils of where you are, who you are and what you will be doing. The anonymous guest has no such proof of his or her identity. Why worry about someone who cannot prove who they are? Just throw them a few crumbs every now and again and enjoy the laughs you can have watching them swell up, bluster and then burst like the empty vessels thatmost of them are:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:33 PM

LH -

We had an exercise awhile ago requiring two teams to get to the other side of a square divided by a rope. they were awful astounded when we all just exchanged sides peacefully. I'm not sure what they expected but apparently that had never happened before in their experience.

I don't have a problem with people posting controversial threads. I stumped a whole group by saying: accept that the current medical system in this country is hosed; you don't like socialized medicine and things have got to change, what's your suggestion?

All I kept getting back was communism, negative comments about me, etc.
Not one suggestion of how to fix the system.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:50 PM

Yes, it's ironical isn't it, Bruce? It's just like the reaction you would have gotten in the early 1700's by suggesting that there are better ways to run a society than by a hereditary monarchy...or that women should have the right to vote!...or that slavery is unjustifiable...or...

People tend to just conform automatically to the stupidities of the system they grew up in.

The only answer to proper medical coverage for a large population in modern times is socialized medicine, available to all citizens on an equal basis without prejudice or restriction. Who pays for it? Everybody. Just like we all pay to have schools and a police force and a fire department and an armed forces (more socialism).

I have seen a properly socialized medical system...in Cuba. Their main and only problem is that the American embargo keeps them short of needed pharmaceutical and medical supplies. I have also seen a reasonably properly socialized medical system in Canada...not bad...but it's got a few holes in it here and there. Most of western Europe has socialized medical systems.

People who think that's Communism have actually barely done any real thinking at all on the subject. They're as out of touch as people who still think the World is flat.

But they just go on believing what corporate Big Brother tells them...

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:02 PM

One "comment without attribution" on this thread has been:

My, what a fine lot of perfect human beings, members be. (Date: 12 Apr 04 - 11:04 AM)

I agree. I have never come across a friendlier (well, most of the time) or more helpful bunch of people on the net. Well put, GUEST.

(Sadly, as you have no handle, I can't compare this comment with others you've made to see if you were being subtly sarcastic, so I'll assume that you're simply a fine, upstanding citizen, telling the truth as you know it)

As for the Guests who come here to start fights, they tend to get squashed after a while.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: LilyFestre
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 07:34 PM

Don.....ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Reminds me of another favorite....if the universe is expanding, why the hell can't I find a parking space?!!?!?!?!??!!?

*G*

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 12:07 PM

Ya gotta see the weiner dog thread--I'm trivializing this one, relegating it to the dustbin of posterity, wrapping it up, saying goodbye, nodding off . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 12:22 PM

When an ASS teroid enters our atmosphere we can run away, deal with it or hope it hits an unpopulated area. It might bring needed water or elements as well as infectious plague.

The reasons for being annonymous are either good or evil, but usually a fear of evil.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 12:44 PM

'ol Martin Gibson, in his curmudgeonly manner, has driven home a point that some of us have been making for years....that it is just as convenient and a lot less confusing, to not only post with a regular name, but to BE a member. He (Martin) is still using a pseudonym, saying what he wishes, and NOT being imped.

But that sort of logic is lost on those who simply get off on being able to pull folks chains from behind the curtain.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,humph
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 12:47 PM

brucie - you are insulting a whole bunch of perfectly nice people, who for reasons of their own don't wish to be identifiable.
there may be some git guests, but there's some git members too.
why get so hot under the collar about it.
i post as a guest, i use different nom-de-plume at different times BECAUSE i want to remain anonymous. it really doesn't matter, so long as I am identifiable within the thread.
once i was a member - but after a particularly nasty exchange of views with another member i decided that anonymity was the rational choice. i really can't see a reason why that is not ok. and i won't be bullied into doing otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 01:04 PM

Humph - It is sort of like having the best of both worlds isn't it? In "real life" when we have a discussion, we normally know who we are dealing with. We can at least see and identify a person, even if we do not know their name.

The problem with "anonymous" posters is that they don't have the courtesy to do that. Sure we can ignore them, but I've seen many who make up "facts" and use a tone that makes them sound credible. When you question their statement, they then attact you.

If I were to divulge that Guest Humph is a well known bedwetter with ties to the communist party and an unnatural attraction to sheep, I could state that as a fact and not hurt anyone.   If Guest Humph were to make the same accusation to me, they could run and hide and come back without any stigma. Is that right??

Frankly everyone posting on these boards - even if they are members, are really anonymous. Some of us choose to use our real names, but other handles are really masks - the same a "guest". How would I know who Brucie, Bill D or Little Hawk are? Unless they choose to submit personal information, those names are just as anonymous as your "guest".    The big difference is that their "handle" is sort of a place holder. They develop a personality through their posts and when we have discussions, the rest of us have an idea of the person we are talking to.    Trolls, I mean guests, are simply spouting words that may or may not have any validity.   Why have a conversation sidetracked in such a manner?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 04:38 PM

Yes, and it's more fun getting to know a particular personality over a period of time than merely reacting to a specific set of words from the great unknown. It is even possible to get to like the people you frequently disagree with over certain issues. You can't do that if you don't have some idea who you are talking to. Still, "Humph", I can understand your wish to lie low, given your particular past experience on the forum.

By the way, Brucie snorts gerbils and has been known to dress like Jerry Lewis and sing like Tony Clifton. He lacks discretion.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 04:47 PM

Hamsters, LH, hamsters. Who told you about the Jerry Lewis stuff?

Hey Humph, if the shoe don't fit, don't wear it. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 05:24 PM

What started this for me was GUESTs who insult. I know who they are, and in future I will avoid their posts under their own names. Life has its ups. Thanks for all the good advice.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 05:25 PM

"Humph - It is sort of like having the best of both worlds isn't it? In "real life" when we have a discussion, we normally know who we are dealing with. We can at least see and identify a person, even if we do not know their name."

Ron, you do realize that this isn't real life, don't you?

Or perhaps you don't. So let me explain. This is the internet. On the internet, people are communicating from many different places around the world. You will rarely encounter most people you communicate with in chat rooms. It is fine and dandy if you do, but to EXPECT that you are going to know who the people are with whom you are communicating in a chat room/forum is, well...idiotic.

The majority of members don't even use their real names. And how many members are there that don't post to the forum at all? As someone further up the line said (a member, as I recall), if you have a tremendous fear of/annoyance level with anonymous posting, then you should limit your internet activities to forums where anonymous posting is not allowed, rather than attacking, and attempting to shame and humiliate those who choose to be anonymous in a forum that allows them to post anonymously.

I know that sending this message is the equivalent of shouting into a hurricane, but there you have it.

Can't stand anonymous posters? Find a forum that doesn't allow them. Aren't willing to do that, and prefer attacking the anonymous posters when they annoy you?

That is YOUR choice, which also makes it YOUR PROBLEM. Not the guests' problem. YOURS, PEOPLE!!! NOT MINE!!!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 05:30 PM

Or as Chongo would say, "KREE-GAH!!!"

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 05:32 PM

Thanks guest. Your last post proved our point exactly! Thanks for the example Guest!

You avoided my points, chose to insult, and now you can hide.

You also feel that you are being attacked which points out the paranoia factor.   Nobody is attacking YOU. We are making points and then you turn it around as an attack. Shame on you!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 05:44 PM

Looks like some of you fellas were panting around this thread, waiting to pounce.

Maybe the more serious problem is some of you don't have a real life.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 05:50 PM

Panting around this thread: Neat phrasing.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 06:43 PM

Waiting to pounce? More insults?

Again, why can't you have a discussion without trying to portray yourself as persecuted? There is nothing wrong with good, honest discussion. Don't be so easily offended when others do not agree with you.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 10:23 PM

Perhaps, Ron, the anonymous "Guest" is so absolutely that a true discussion would be both irrelevant and unnecessary.

In that case, we will no longer be troubled by an anonymous "Guest" since s/he will very soon ascend out of here.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 02:20 AM

An Outside Observation: Most of the regulars on the mudcat seem like nice people who try to be helpful. I post under various "GUEST" identities and try to be equally helpful where I can. There are "members" who appear to be a bubble-and-a-half off the level. Some members seem to have come from a different planet altogether. Other members post such unintelligible drizzle that I despair for the future of humanity. Some just can't type and/or spell and/or have any inkling of the rules of grammar. (jOhN Of hUlL - consider night school!)
Then there are the members who would like the Mudcat to be a closed little community where they can bask the reflected glow of their own narrow-minded pseudo-intellectual pontifications. Some of these are simply egotistic, opinionated assholes who attack GUEST postings at the merest slight. These are the people from whom I shield my name or where I live. (The web is never completely anonymous - Joe and the other Mudcat webmasters know who sends every post.)         
Blackcatter is one of these people - but he has a particularly easy-to-tweak weak spot on his beloved whistles which tends to make him go apoplectic and use bad language toward GUESTS.
Brucie is more even-tempered and will consider a GUEST post on its merits before attacking the stupid ones.
Clinton Hammond should have been drowned at birth (OK, maybe he was and what we hear from today is really his own placenta!)
Caveat: The comments above are directed to those on the porch and are in no way intended to demean those honest folks in the BS threads down below!
Long live the Mudcat in its present form!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 02:59 AM

this is misic site, not speliing site, so just get lost.john

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:21 AM

"Clinton Hammond should have been drowned at birth..."

LOL! Well, there are moments when I think that too, like when he resolved to execute the skunk that had the bad luck to move in under his porch. Clinton is a strange duck, but I hear that he's a fine musician.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,Bee
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:51 AM

"this is misic site, not speliing site, so just get lost.john"

Please define "misic" and "speliing." I don't understand what they are.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:53 AM

I don't know about misic or speliing, but Doc Watson does my favorite version of "Lost John."

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Strick
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:54 AM

"Clinton Hammond should have been drowned at birth (OK, maybe he was and what we hear from today is really his own placenta!)"

I'm hoping that was tongue-in-cheek. He can be cranky from time to time, but he's not that bad!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 11:55 AM

Keep in mind that jOHN is not human. He's a snig. Snigs spell very badly, and they are often somewhat incoherent. What's more, they don't care. To understand a snig you have to read between the lines.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 12:40 PM

Well guys, no one seems to be fighting much on this post anymore, (hey brucie, how's the search going for that special someone...or something?)

I've laughed a lot here, so maybe that's the best answer...xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 12:47 PM

". . . a bubble-and-a-half off the level." I have never heard that one before. LOL. I will be using that for a while. Thank you, GUEST, guest. Made my day.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 01:53 PM

Clinton did you really do that?! LOL. My uncle did the same thing - SHOT a skunk under his porch.

I've never heard of snigs, but it seems they write very well.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 03:28 PM

Clinton Hammond is a ruthless, opinionated, malicious skunk-murderer of the worst sort. He is without scruples or pity. His presence is less than totally desirable. His wardrobe lacks spontaneity. His only redeeming feature is a fondness for the show "Trailer Park Boys".

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 03:43 PM

Hey, what are you implying? My wardrobe lacks spontenaity! 'Course, it lacks a lot of things, like belts and trousers, too.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 03:54 PM

I am inferring, Rapaire, that you are in dire need of a paisley jumpsuit and something fetching in, say, avocado or melba peach?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:11 PM

Anyone who murders a skunk is a friend of mine!!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:21 PM

LH, I saw Rapper's picture. The melba-peach would clash. Have some taste fer gawd's sake.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:22 PM

Also, before I say a thing: is Clinton Hammond a Shatner fan?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:26 PM

I don't think so. I think he reviles and spits on Shatner, but I am not absolutely sure about that.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:27 PM

If anyone is a Shatner fan, I would completely understand why they would wish to remain anonymous. There is help out there!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:42 PM

Ron,

When LH and I design the William Shatner blow-up doll, we are sending the first one to you. We will have it opened and inflated in front of ALL your neighbours. You are treading on v e r y thin ice. You wanna make remarks about Bush, Martin, Blair, even the Pope, hey it's a free country. But ya gotta understand where the line is. Know what I mean? yer friend,

X

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 04:52 PM

Having just visited Billy-Bob's website (which is blocked by most Internet filters), I have just one question: What's this obsession with paintball??

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 05:00 PM

It's part of his gungho personality, man! He's very macho. He likes shooting things.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 06:30 PM

So do I, but I don't point things that shoot at people (anymore than I have to).

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 07:03 PM

"The reasons for being anonymous are either good or evil, but usually a fear of evil."

Once again the assumption that this is something to do with "anonymity" - but posting without a label of any kind is nothing to do with merely wanting to be anonymous. You can be just as anonymous by posting as, for example, "GUEST,humph" (" i use different nom-de-plume at different times BECAUSE i want to remain anonymous.") as by posting as "GUEST".

I don't know why nameless GUESTs do it. Some obviously do it to get up the nose of people who don't like the practice ("Looks like some of you fellas were panting around this thread, waiting to pounce.), and there may be other reasons - but it sure as hell isn't anything to do with merely wishing to be anonymous.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 12:05 AM

Maybe they are just too lazy or impatient to type in a name...

Anonymity is clearly not the issue, because most of us ARE anonymous in any case.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: el ted
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 03:36 AM

Would anyone mind if I just popped in here and took the 100th post?