BS: Charles Kennedy

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 12:43 PM

Interesting, incidentally, that it was a Campbell who struck the fatal blow.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 02:41 PM

So it looks like he can spend more time in his home seat of Ross, Skye and Lochaber.

Especially Talisker, Balblair, Dalmore, Glen Morangie........

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: Tootler
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 02:57 PM

The colleagues who strung up Kennedy and kicked away the ladder doubtless thought they were acting in the best interests of the party. I think they were disatrously wrong.

No, Greg Stephens, they were most emphatically not!

Have you ever been round an alcoholic? I mean a real alcoholic, not just a heavy drinker. They are totally unreliable, devious and live only for the next drink. Most people give them the benefit of the doubt and put up with a great deal before they finally lose patience and act, ultimately out of exasperation. Having had the experience myself, I fully understand why the Lib dems acted like they did. Something will have been the last straw which finally pushed them into action. Believe me, I have seen it happen myself. In my case, it was finding empty vodka bottles while hunting for a student assignment that an alcoholic colleague had failed to mark - a critical assignment, I might add.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: GUEST,wordy
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 03:01 PM

Amen Tootler. it seems response to what has happened is polarised between those of us who have seen and been with alcoholics and those who think it's just a little drink problem and haven't experienced it's ravages and heartaches.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 05:53 PM

There is a great deal of innuendo in that piece with the link above, and virtually nothing to demonstrate that any of the alleged failings were due to excessive drinking.

The two instances of allegedly excessive drinking where the drinking is allegedly quantified are frankly so prissily picky as to make me doubt the whole thing. 5 half-glasses of wine is under a bottle. 3 bottles- three glasses is on average a bottle of wine each. Oh wow!

Then again there is the catch 22 of it all. Deny you are an alcoholic and you are in denial - and so of course really an acoholic and not to be trusted. Admit you are an alcoholic and so you are not to be trusted.

We perhaps get the leaders we deserve. Look how we treated the only parliamentary party leader who seemed to be a decent chap. And look at that "press secretary". Kennedy and the party should sue her for breach of confidence, and make sure the next one engaged signs a confidentiality agreement like the ones the Blairs use for their nannies.

And yes I have known and do know alcoholics. The fact that they are alcoholics does not absolve one of the obligation to behave with decency towards them. Stuff you puritans.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 05:59 PM

The fact that they are alcoholics does not absolve one of the obligation to behave with decency towards them.

No, but it does absolve them of the right to lead others.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: John Routledge
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 06:11 PM

The Guest posting (5:59) above was not me but I will gladly put my name to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: greg stephens
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 03:54 AM

I am familiar with dealing with the problems of alcoholics. I am also familiar with the problems of dealing with people who are loathsome shits.

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: GUEST,Clogger
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 04:37 AM

This probably shows more about the people round him than the man himself! Sad innit

Subject: RE: BS: Charles Kennedy
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 04:57 AM

perhaps there will be a lot of folk songs about him - the bonny prince, the king over the water, bonny charlies noo awaa, etc.

or he could be a kennedy type thing, with 'who was standing on the grassy knoll?' type controversies and conspiracy theories