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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: number 6 Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:13 AM There is nothing wrong I feel with a 'heated thread' .. a good spar in debating is healthy I say, I try throwing in some stoopid humour just to cool things a bit ... it's just some peeple get downright nasty, just a display of bad manners and respect for the others. Nothing was wrong with your thread Raptor. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Beer Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:19 AM I agree 6 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:50 AM Joe: Given the overall impact that Peace has had on threads, compared, for example, to the droolling destructive animosity of Martin the Loon, I suggest you have erred in a moment of wrath. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Feb 06 - 11:03 AM Bingo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: katlaughing Date: 18 Feb 06 - 11:37 AM Joe, you know how I feel. Goodonya for telling it like it is. A lot of folks seem to have the wool pulled over their eyes. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: GUEST, on the fence Date: 18 Feb 06 - 11:38 AM What's wrong with posting under different names with different points of view? I seem to recall hearing/reading Tom Stoppard saying the reason he liked writing plays was that he could give both sides of an argument without committing himself to either. If it's OK for a successful playwright, then why not for us too? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: rumanci Date: 18 Feb 06 - 11:43 AM With the greatest of respect Kat rubbish ! Don't even think of castigating everybody in your pursuit of one ! Come out from under your own rollneck for a while and look at all sides of everything I'm sure Joe will when he takes a deep breath - fair minded guy him ! :-D rumanci |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: number 6 Date: 18 Feb 06 - 11:51 AM I have the wool pulled down to my eyes today as it's cold as hell, but until you put some substance behind you post Kat ... I'll just pass it on as the negative nonsense and jibes that gets on everyone's nerves here in the Cat. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: number 6 Date: 18 Feb 06 - 11:54 AM Tell it like it is yourself Kat ... what do you have, some secret info that is held away from the rest of us ... is this the witch hunt full of secret conspiracies? sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Ebbie Date: 18 Feb 06 - 11:57 AM The Bruce that I know is a bright, talented, caring, passionate individual who, just as most of us do, on occasion goes over the top. Like St.George(not Bush but Dragon Slayer), he is visible and not to be ignored. Bruce will never be a hypocrite. I would far rather have those in my life who care too much - even when they make the fur fly - than those who care too little. Please, Bruce, stay. Peace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:01 PM Yes, sIx. I see EC stood down the wind warning for Moncton at 11:00h. I think they had better get a new anemometer or, perhaps, a window. She's 70 gusting to 95kph. Woolies? I think the best thing to have on today is a house. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: katlaughing Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:01 PM In that light, I would suggest Joe declare a moratorium on any and all deletions of any duplicate threads, postings, personal attacks, etc. for one week. Then you might all see the muck which ruins Mudcat and mucks up the bandwith. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: number 6 Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:04 PM I agree ... what is your definition of muck? sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: rumanci Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:10 PM and this deletion of "muck" definition presumably includes attacks on some but not others eh ? looking at the ones that remain undeleted for far too long yeah yeah fair minded clones all round the lot of youse ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Janie Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:11 PM Uh....Kids? Everybody take a deep breath please. This is not the food fight thread. Your Mom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: number 6 Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:15 PM O.K. ... Mom. I better get out of here for a while anyway ... My boss has gone out and left me with some chores around the house I gotta do. But I'd rather much be 'mucking' about taking some pics by the sea shore and 'mucking' around the garden right now ... but alas, I live in the great white north. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:18 PM I agree. Let all the attacks stand--so everybody can see exactly what's being said by everybody. The true colors should be visible. Stupid vulgar attacks by Mudcatters themselves can be punished by pulling the offender's cookie--but the attack should stand. Attacks by non-Mudcatters can be ignored--and should also stand. And right of self-defense should be a given. You can either ignore an attack or respond--it should be up to the individual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:20 PM I came close to shutting my Mudcat window last night. It ain't gonna happen just because some surly barbarian with a bad attitude and a low literacy quotient wants to play hacker-boy. But I think there is some merit to the assertion that a certain imbalance has developed. It might be inevitable, given the nature of the onerous editorial duties. Maybe a review in humility is called for on all sides. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Beer Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:24 PM Had a book on e-bay for sale two weeks ago called "The American Muck Book". All about Fertilisers and Manure. Published 1852. Didn't sell though. Wonder why.. I was only asking $6.99 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Bill D Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:50 PM Good grief! what a mess.......I missed this, and I can barely comprehend all the layers. ......I don't like it....I don't like the presumed problem, and I don't like the solution, and I don't know what to say. I wish it were all easier........... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 12:51 PM Amos!! "...some surly barbarian with a bad attitude and a low literacy quotient wants to play hacker-boy." That's representable! I am not a hack. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Feb 06 - 01:16 PM ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Once Famous Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:01 PM The Mudcat self-elected elite clique spokegroup is digging their feet in, and must be held accountable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:09 PM ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Once Famous Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:17 PM ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: number 6 Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:19 PM ~ ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:23 PM Oops, sorry. My last post should have read: "?" ? Didn't mean to be confusing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:34 PM A webforum is a place where writing matters! It's the instrument of the grammarnazi, the wordsmith, the chatter, oh yes and the troll! Let's not dwell on exactly what trolling is REALLY about - hint hint hint - nor who is really really not posting as several different identities, ho ...hummmm. Nor let us waste time on the other fatherly, bossy, word bullies that force some of us to hide and or retire alltogether. Nor those who had to hide because they were being stalked. No lets ask a few - at this time...ahem nearly ten years since I first read the Muddie - uselful questions. Even if the forum is a musician's forum, this one is, there are still folks here who cannot play or sing, but excell at writing. They don't have to be great writers, but most of them are and that's why they manage to last so long in what is, after all that has happened here, nothing more than visual entertainment of some kind or another for the rest of us average typists/wannabe Muddie posting stars. So hands up yall yakkers who cannot play a note? Next those who are middling but bad musicians and have become obsessed with typing. Who all are you? I do not think that the usualy mucialy challenged wordsmith types are boring, well not that much that I would want to heckle them...but! Paragraph A by OldPossum ( wondering if it/he/she is related to Cleigh O Possum? ) says buggar the trolls by ignoring them. Then Paragraph D says, this site is open and thats its charm. Well old bean, in this case, you can't have it both ways. Even if you could convince the site management to do it, would barring Guests and deleting/ignoring Trolls make the place ANY better? Another site 'chiff&fipple' that decided to get heavy handed did just that, and guess what? Nobody links to it these days, most of the folks in the popular Itrad world avoid it, while the rest who do go there are looking for help from a bunch of constructors selling THEIR instruments at high prices. In short ,as I can make it, leave Muddie be, if you don't like a posting title, then don't read it. If you don't like posting in thread you opened then don't respond to that PERSON. With due respect and nothing personal intended to any reader in particular ( besides I cannot remember the names of users here from one year to the next ...well besides a few of the original bunch - Musicians who started the Mudcat ) and reminding the reader that what I do best is folkmusic, not typing/grammar etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 18 Feb 06 - 02:38 PM oppzzz last words lost due to pressing buttons in excitemet of posting to troll thread ...ends I do not think Trolls are a problem TO A MUSICIAN but might be to some fastidious grammar-nazi or similar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: fat B****rd Date: 18 Feb 06 - 03:29 PM I can only judge on my experience. And that is that Bruce is caring and genuine. It's as simple as that. Stay with us Bruce. All The best, as usual, from Charlie. PS I'll PM you later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Cluin Date: 18 Feb 06 - 04:06 PM So, just as a matter of interest, how do all you fellow performing musicians deal with hecklers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: The Shambles Date: 18 Feb 06 - 04:17 PM Also, I don't think that there are any Mudcat posting rules that I have read that stipulate how many posts a person can or should make in any given day or time period. Nor have I seen any policies that stipulate that a person should say what they want to say in one or two or three messages. There are of course no such rules YET. If things do not change I am sure that in time Joe will have imposed some and many more. Perhaps our forum now needs some rules to prevent one fellow poster - Joe Offer - from doing exactly what he wants to do? Posters cannot just support Joe's position when it suits or question his position when it does not. His position is unsupportable whatever your opinion of his current targets may be. And you may well be his next target as there is nothing prventing this. If is difficult to imagine how bad this place would be without Joe and his anonymous volunteers keeping us safe from the 'bogeyman' or rather imposing their judgement upon us when and as they wish. But all of this imposed judgement by fellow posters of their fellow posters is a form of censorship that is supposed to make things somehow better. Or so Joe and his anonymous ones tell us. But this blunt weapon, their only tactic has plainly failed and has only created a few special posters who seem to think they have some right to impose their judgement upon other posters but resent being judged or questioned themselves. My preference is not for our forum to be allowed by Joe to do what Joe considers he will allow his fellow posters to do - but for our forum to be finally left alone to decide what is posted - what is responded to and what is ignored..... This may prove to be just as chaotic - but at least it is honest and what Max has always publicly stated is the intention of this forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: frogprince Date: 18 Feb 06 - 04:24 PM I choked on the "BNP Supporter" posts, but then began to strongly suspect that they were intended to "out" the BNP to anyone who hadn't been exposed to their true character; Bruce may have left himself open to misunderstanding in the matter, but that's all; IMHO his intentions are now clear and do not reflect negatively on him at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: artbrooks Date: 18 Feb 06 - 04:44 PM Personally, I have no major objections to much that he says, although maybe some of it is a bit on the fringe. I only wish that he would stick to one identity. Almost everyone here uses a pseudonym of one kind or another, but it gets kinda hard to figure out who is saying what to whom when the same person uses two or three personas on the same thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Once Famous Date: 18 Feb 06 - 05:01 PM You know Shambles? Sometimes you make more sense then you are credited for by some. I agree with your censorship issue. It's censorship by convenience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 18 Feb 06 - 06:01 PM Shh! Let's all tiptoe away and leave those two to pat each other on the back. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: suzi Date: 18 Feb 06 - 06:04 PM Stay with us Brucie..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 18 Feb 06 - 06:21 PM (giggle)! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 08:09 PM Too bad Peace can't post to this thread because of the snowstorm. He posted a couple of days ago that they got almost 2mm of snow out there in the frozen northwest. I assume he is still digging out. Seems to be getting awfully deep in here, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Joe Offer Date: 18 Feb 06 - 09:01 PM Well, Bruce posted a couple of messages under his own name this evening, adding to music threads. I'm hoping he figured out that it's the troublemaking that's objectionable, not his presence. Same goes for Martin Gibson... -Joe Offer, hoping for peace and tranquility- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: GUEST, Topsie Date: 18 Feb 06 - 09:39 PM According to my Oxford dictionary, 2mm is 2 millimetres, which isn't a lot of snow to dig. Maybe in Canada it means metres. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Peace Date: 18 Feb 06 - 09:40 PM Joe, My last Offer. I will do my best to stop causing you trouble and you do your best to convince Max that stopping GUEST posts is a good idea (OK, if ya don't ask ya don't get, right?). I apologize for being rude to you because you don't deserve that from me. I am sorry. If the Nazis/racists return I will e-mail you/messgae you instead of getting into it with them. If they are still about their crap after a day--read 24 hours--then I will get into it with them. Then we can go back to fighting s'more. You have never been anything but fair with me and to me, so I will stop already with the GUEST posts, but there has got to be a better way to stop racism/Nazism on the Mudcat, and I think you guys and gals are smart enough to figure it out. It was wrong of me to try to influence 'policy'. But having said that, I do think the policy is wrong. I do not think that allowing Nazis to post is freedom of speech. They are free to go to Stormfront or White Supremist sites and flog their garbage there. The people who have spoken to various sides of this issue: I do not dislike Joe Offer. In fact, I have tremendous respect for him. I would not take his job as the 'deal with all the crap' guy for anything short of $1,000,000 per annum. I have heard he gets considerably less than that. So, Joe, I will stop giving you posts you have to delete from me. And maybe y'all could look at ways to get the damned nazis and racists outta this place. If banning me would help that happen, please ban me. That would make it worth it to me. I ain't kissin' and makin' up with you. But I will stand by my word.
I don't like the Nazi threads, either, but if you can just resist temptation and not post to the Nazi threads, I can close or delete them quietly.... Making a big public deal of banning them and refuting them and all that, just serves to provoke them. Yes, we are opposed to racism, and we are opposed to Nazis, and we don't like Martin Gibson when he's a bad boy. Or Tarheel, either. So, PEACE, Peace. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Peace Date: 18 Feb 06 - 09:44 PM OK. Maybe just a small hug. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 09:52 PM PEACE!!! Thank god you made it through the shitstorm... ah, er, snowstorm. I was really worried. I mean, 2mm. I feel for you, buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Peace Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:00 PM It was a nightmare, Gnu. Had to eat the dogs. Good though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: GUEST,Wesley S Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:01 PM Was it a Three Dog Night ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Peace Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:05 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Amos Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:06 PM Welcome back, dude. Now we can all stop crying in our beer about what a great guy you were. :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: gnu Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:10 PM Were? Well, I suppose he could turn rabid... after all, when you eat the dogs... I hope you just ate the small ones. Ya wanna keep the large dog's for real emergencies. Like, if the in-laws come by. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Troll spotting From: Cluin Date: 18 Feb 06 - 10:15 PM Realistically, I don't see how you can keep the rascists and other shitheads out. Even if you do away with GUEST posting, they can always register under a name, drop a turd or two or three here and skip away again laughing, leaving you snapping and snarling at the end of your chain. They're rabid vermin and won't balk at doing that. Ditto for other kinds of trolls. Especially now that several of them have marked Mudcat out as a nice fishing ground. And I'm not in favour of a gated community, myself. I've seen other forums where I've had information I could have contributed, but they wanted me to register. It was too much bother for one little post so I declined. It'd be too bad if something like that happened here where people come to use this as a resource, to ask and answer questions and exchange information about music-related questions and issues. This is primarily a music site, an excellent resource for that purpose. The BS here is merely a silly little diversion. There are plenty of other forums for that on the Web. Be glad I'm not in charge. I might do away with BS threads altogether if it got to be a bother, that kept me from more valuable tasks around here. I'd likely delete all BS threads after, say, 7 days anyway, regardless of what they contained. Anyone who wanted to keep what was there could cut & paste it to their hard drives and post it on their own webspace if they wanted. It's not so bad around here and the truly objectionable stuff is in a tiny minority, easily dealt with as long as the whole place doesn't degenerate into a flame war. |