E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness

Subject: RE: E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 07:52 PM

Is there an over-eager elf out there?

Reallising that my post just above was 99, I also posted the 100, simply to claim it. It's been zapped.

Has someone changed the rules round here?

Subject: RE: E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 07:04 AM

LOL Richard. I stopped trying to do 100 some time ago when Joe zapped me. However since then, I watch for people posting 100 and smile when they aren't zapped.

Subject: RE: E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 07:20 AM

My name is John MacKenzie, and I was a claimer of 100th posts.

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[Who is cured!]

Subject: RE: E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:02 AM

But to deny the class war, to deny the role of the Great Strike in the making of the English working class, etc, is as blinkered as Marie Antoinette.

Subject: RE: E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 08:50 AM

Agreed, Richard - one shouldn't deny the effect of the class war in the making of Englishness (and not just the working classes, either); equally, to give it undue prominence over other important factors would be like single-issue politics. It has its - very important - place, but it isn't an umbrella to cover all.

I am not sure if that is what the phantom poster was getting at, this is just my own view.

So, what other such factors are there? Oh, dozens; just off the top of my head: The age of exploration and discovery; the social impact of the industrial revolution and the advancement of science; climate; the Empire and its wars; the movement of people in- and out of the country at different times; the fact that it was never occupied; the fact that it has at times been an occupier; religion and related conflicts; the control of education by the Church in the 15-17th centuries, and by the general Establishment thereafter. The list is long.

Subject: RE: E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 09:12 AM

All these foreigners coming over here, writing lovely songs!


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Subject: RE: E Carthy/S Lakeman on Englishness
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 09:25 AM

Typical isn't it, we have to rely on a Greek to define Englishness for us ;o)

Hope the album launch goes well GP!

Best regards

Pete