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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Smokey. Date: 04 Dec 09 - 11:17 PM Propriety: the condition of being right, appropriate, or fitting. Nope, I'll stick with what I said. It's a matter of opinion, and agreement is not compulsory. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: akenaton Date: 05 Dec 09 - 03:46 AM I would defend Smokey, although we don't agree over this, he is one of the few here who can discuss issues like this in a reasonable fashion and attempts to see things from a different perspective. He also has a nice ascerbic sense of humour. and I will expect more support from him in future!! :0).....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Dec 09 - 03:54 AM "....that 170.000.000 is to be paid" The question of reparation is confused at the present time. Following the initial Ryan Report a settlement was agreed upon between the Government and the Church, the victims having no say in the matter. It has since been claimed that the settlement was a blanket amnesty for the clergy involved in abuse and that the figure settled on would not even cover the legal costs necessary for making a claim. Early last week (I think) a list was published of religious organisations who have offered settlement, what they have offered, alongside their present financial assets (which makes fascinating reading in itself). I am not sure whether the Government's original settlement still stands; many here believe it to have been done in the spirit of 'damage limitation' on behalf of the church. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:09 AM Facebook group, membership now up to nearly 2000: Justice For Those Abused |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 Dec 09 - 10:22 AM ===I would defend Smokey, although we don't agree over this, he is one of the few here who can discuss issues like this in a reasonable fashion and attempts to see things from a different perspective. He also has a nice ascerbic sense of humour.=== Oh yes, ake: very acerbic FUCK OFF! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Smokey. Date: 05 Dec 09 - 11:32 AM MtGM, it was not meant to be funny. I'm sorry you didn't understand or didn't agree with the comparison I was making, but there is no need to be childish. This is a very serious subject, and I would suggest that if all you can contribute to the discussion is irrelevant confrontation for your own personal satisfaction, that you follow your own advice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: akenaton Date: 05 Dec 09 - 11:33 AM ????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 Dec 09 - 11:49 AM ===. I'm sorry you didn't understand or didn't agree with the comparison I was making=== Sorry Smokey, but the very concept of 'cosiness' in such a context is altogether beyond irony & in the filthiest of taste; & if you can't see that & apologise for it then I am genuinely sorry for you — & my advice still holds... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Smokey. Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:00 PM Tell you what, MtGM, if enough people misunderstand my observation as wildly as you have, I'll make an apology. Until then, keep your sympathy. Meanwhile I suggest you read some of the accounts of the abuse we are discussing and try to put yourself in the place of some of those children. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: akenaton Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:19 PM Well I dont understand anything about this spat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Smokey. Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:24 PM There isn't one Ake, it's just a silly misunderstanding. I appreciate your support, by the way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:31 PM & I suggest in return, Smokey, that you try putting yourself in the position of some of those who found themselves in the milieux where gaschambers were located & see how you would have appreciated oh such a delicate comparison. Could you perhaps please indicate in what way I have 'misunderstood' your observation. If you can convince me it was an appropriate one, I will in my own turn gladly climb down from the position io have taken with regard to it. I put it to all — here's what he wrote again - 'Some of those poor kids would have been grateful for a nice cosy gas-chamber.' Can the concept of 'nice cosy', however ironic, ever be appropriate in relation to 'gas-chamber' in any circumstances? I rest my case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:42 PM Sorry Michael I'm afraid I see nothing but irony in Smokey's comment. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Smokey. Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:46 PM MtGM - I'd be genuinely interested to hear your views on the subject under discussion, but I refuse to be baited in this manner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 Dec 09 - 12:59 PM What do you mean, 'baited', you poor sensitive little flower! I mean, Smokey [& you listen too, Jim], whatever sympathy & empathy we must all feel for those poor horribly abused children & there's my view on the subject under discussion as I told you before], how do you imagine it helps their cause to belittle and nullify the enormities of AuschwitzBirkenau Matthausen Treblinka Sobibor in such a fashion, for any sort of rhetorical purpose! How DARE you? How COULD you? If you don't apologise you are really an obnoxious insensitive little ... Words do literally fail me ··· & that doesn't happen very often. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Smokey. Date: 05 Dec 09 - 01:13 PM I wasn't belittling or nullifying anything - therein lies the misunderstanding. I apologise for giving you that impression but I assure you it wasn't intentional. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 Dec 09 - 01:14 PM ARE YOU REALLY SO INSENSITIVE THAT YOU DON'T EVEN REALISE HOW ABSOLUTELY UNFORGIVABLE A THING THAT WAS TO SAY? I AM LITERALLY WEEPING AS I TYPE - TEARS ARE BLINDING MY EYES. EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL? LIKE I SHOULD GIVE A FLYING FUCK |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: MGM·Lion Date: 05 Dec 09 - 01:16 PM OK - CROSSPOSTED AS YOU WILL APPRECIATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LAST POST. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Suffer The Children (Dublin child abuse) From: Smokey. Date: 05 Dec 09 - 01:27 PM I must admit I'm rather mystified by this, MtGM, but please try to calm down. My opinion counts for nothing, mate - I'm just some geezer on the internet.
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