BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 12:20 PM

"Now, both Amos, and Mouser, that SHOULD BE INDICATIVE of what is wrong, with your assertions. Also Pugh polls show 78% of all Americans think this country is headed in the wrong direction....ever wonder why??.Does that number represent how the will of the people are being ignored???""

They may be right, given that GeeGosh pointed it in that direction and then jammed the steering, but not to worry, in spite of George, Obama will eventually turn it round.

Who knows one day you may all find yourselves living in a country that cares about the poor and the sick, instead of ripping them off, that looks after its weak and old, that keeps its nose out of its neighbours' business. In short a civilised USA.

In 1948 Gandhi said he thought that would be a good idea...........Still Waiting........And Hoping.

The American people, most of them anyway, are individually some of the nicest people I've ever met, and yet, en masse there's this callous self obsession which prompts them to ignore the plight of others worse off than they, and refuse to put effort or cash into helping.

I freely admit that I don't understand it, especially when doing so would save them money long term.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 01:06 PM

The main problem, Don, is that what we have in the country is way too much "garbage in - garbage out" in that most people rely on the media for their information and the media ain't up the task these days so it reports/repeats lies as if they were truths and so the average person really doesn't know squat about too much...

b~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 01:26 PM

The direction this country is headed in? Less ruthless, a bit more order, and a playing field in which honest enterprise pays off better than crooked enterprise.

There's the bottom line. The huge robber-baron fortunes of the late 19th C. were stellar examples of great enterprises, but they were also riddled with crookedness and ruthlessness. Ruthlessness in fair competition, bounded by the limits of civil decency is very different than the kind of ruthlessness which stomps on the innocent, such as demonstrated by crooked insurance companies and underhanded military-industrial outfits.

The old adage that some used as a moral guide of not doing anything you wouldn't want your mother to know about only works if your mother was not a crackhead or an alcoholic like Momma Bush, I think. But barring that, it would be a good rule for some of these money-hungry young turks who pour their hearts into bilking the trusting--the Enrons and AIGs of the world.

And a nation as diversified and polarized as this one gets does not have a common standard of morality. Christians often spout moral dictums which are hollow and live lives totally at variance with them; there is no "Good Book" mentality to inform the broad playing field of business. Failing such a core of ethical measurement, regulation is the sole guarantee that some credit card companywill not loop you in to perpetual bondage to usury, etc.

So I think reforming health care and high finance are necessary steps to make the modern American way of life a tad less life-threatening and ensure a broader field of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Just for example, wouldn't it be a good idea to make ratings outfits answerable to a standard of honesty and transparency on derivative packages being sold to investors?

A

A

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 06:46 PM

Yo, GfS.... Fir the record, health care reform was not "slammed thru"... It was the most debated and negotiated legislation in the last 40 years... That ***is not*** slamming thru... That is nothing but a pure Repub talking point which you say you are above... Okay maybe you didn't say it but you have implied that you are not a shill for the Republican Party...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 07:01 PM

"It was the most debated and negotiated legislation in the last 40 years"


That must be why the Demoicrats locked the Republicans out of the conference room, and even the Democrats "Have to vote for the bill in order to find out what is in it." ( quote from Pelosi)


Sorry, the debate was within the higher levels of the Democratic Party, and the bill was pushed through even after the majority of people in most if nort all polls disapproved of THIS bill- NOTE I DID NOT SAY "Healthcare Reform"- it was this PARTICULAR bill wich was being pushed down our throats that was being objected to, by Republicans, Independents , and many Democrats.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 07:39 PM

Yo, bruce...

Maybe you'd like to tell the good folks how much time was spent proir to a conference to iron out small details... Maybe you'd like to tell them about how Obama went to the Repubs in the first palce... Maybe you'd like to tell them how the Repubs left the House chambers and cheered people spitting on Democratic Congressmen... Maybe you'd like to tell them how many hours of debate had occured prior to that confernece...

I mean, let's get real here, man...

Only someone who just dropped in from another planet would believe that Repub talking point, which BTW, is utter crap... The Repubs had allready made it clear they weren't going to participate in the legislative process before the conference...

It's kinda like a football player saying he isn't going to play regardless and the coach asking him to suit up???

Waht purpose does it serve...

This is a bogus rebuttal on yer part... Complete and utter crap and not grounded in reality...

Come on, Bruce... You have a better mind than to just parrot Mitch McConnell's talking points...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 09:42 PM

"Maybe you'd like to tell the good folks how much time was spent proir to a conference to iron out small details"

The Republicans had their changes to the bill killed in Committe, then Reid & Pelosi rewrote the bill, anyway.



"... Maybe you'd like to tell them about how Obama went to the Repubs in the first palce"

Obama said that the Republicans had to comprimise- and agree with the Democrats. If one side wants to spend 20 trillion, and the other side wants to spend nothing, is 15 trillion spent a compramise, or an abdication of fiscal responsibility?



"... Maybe you'd like to tell them how the Repubs left the House chambers and cheered people spitting on Democratic Congressmen... "

And that was AFTER they were LOCKED OUT of the Committee meeting, and told they had to accept Pelosi's version with NO chance to even READ it before the vote



"Maybe you'd like to tell them how many hours of debate had occured prior to that confernece..."

Debate between the various members of the DEMOCRATIC Party. The Republicans were ciut out of all debate, and reduced to making public comments since they could not get into the committee to make comments to Congress.


OK?

Only someone who just dropped in from another planet would believe that the Democrats were interested in a bipartisan bill. IF , as Obama said, the two sides agreed on 80% of the bill, WHY DIDN'T he put it into 5 smaller bills, and PASS 4 of them with support of BOTH parties, THEN argue the points of difference in the 5th??? As it was , the Democrats went against both public opinion and any spirit of compriomise, and, IMO, will pay heavily in the fall election.




I fear far more the reverse pendulum swing caused by the Democratic actions than the damage that will be caused by the Democratic bill.


Which is why the place in NY state, 4 hours from an open section of the Canadian border...

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 10:23 PM

Okay, lets make this simple...

What was the date where the Dems went into comittee and didn't ask the Reppubs to join them???

But wait, what was the date that Obama first met with the Repubs about getting their input into the bill???

Oh wait, part 2... How many months transpired between Obama first asking the Repubs for their input and the conferance comittee???

Oh, and just for the record, when did the comittee meet (date wise) after the Repubs voted solidly to fillibuster any debate on the bill???

Seems like the time lines don't jive here with the Repubs trying to look as if they are in the game... Not too sure where they are gettin' their advice these days but, yeah, they will gain in November but they are really blowing a chance to gain big in Novemeber...

Hey, I don't care... Just some stupid politics being played right now by the Repubs... I mean, real stupid... I mean, they are trying to get the swing (moderate) voters with (extreme) legislative behavior??? Just can't figure it out???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: mousethief
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 10:39 PM

True that, Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Apr 10 - 10:57 PM

hahahhaha It appears that GfS's mind is muddled. My dear, may I suggest that you meant "root"?

S/he says:
Amos, not only do you just make shit up...you can't spell. GfS 24 Apr 10 - 01:52 PM
And s/he says:
What a thing to route for, eh?? GfS 24 Apr 10 - 08:25 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guerst from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 01:20 AM

Yo Bobert, It was bribed through...ie Nebraska special deal, Stupack, bogus executive order, Louisiana 'Purchase'....for starters.....and then there isThis bit of 'transparency' RIGHT BEFORE THE VOTE!

It stunned the country!...that most who voted for it DID NOT EVEN READ IT!!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 01:49 AM

Aye....Its a good job Sarah didn't say that eh?

They would have burnt her at the stake!

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 07:34 AM

Same answer as above, GfS.... The only thing that has stunned the country is an AWOL (and proud of it) Republican Party... Hey, they have every chance to be part of the process but they refuse... They remind me of two-year-olds having temper tantrums... This is all about just how hurt their feelings are over losing power... It has nothing to do with policy... I mean, the health care reform bill had more of a Republican fingerprint on it than a Democratic yet the Repubs sat in the corner bawling their poor little eyes out???

Yeah, this is the stunning part... Not Dems going ahead with what they have to do... If that means having to get together to work out details, so be it... Why would they be expected to have people in the room who have publicly (and thru their votes) say, "No, thanks, we're mad and we're not going to play"???

And guess what??? At the end of the day Ben Nelson didn't get his way and the Stupack got some language which wasn't, in substance, any different than existing language about federal money not going to pay for abortions... But the Repubs now want to howl over that, too...

Sorry, GfS, but you keep throwing up McConnell talking points which, BTW, goes a long way toward expalining why you were so anti-Obama prior to the election... Duhhhhhh, you seem to be a closet Republican... No offense but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Apr 10 - 11:00 PM

First of all I'm NOT a Republican...and I think that should be obvious, by now. I have criticized BOTH political parties for their CORRUPTION!..My past posts should be quite evident.

Now Pelosi said what Pelosi said. McConnell didn't make her say it, I didn't make it up..so you can try to minimize the link by saying it was a McConnell talking point. I don't really care about McConnell anyway. I care about our country, and how the propaganda hides the real agendas, of them both. Meanwhile, our freedoms are being eroded, we're plummeted into debt,..and we, the people have hardly any say, on what is being imposed on us...but we ARE being told WHAT to think, and in that, they, the two parties have us bickering between ourselves while bullshit is being passed, and the government neglects its obligations, to keep us free and safe, within our borders, while the fat cats, at the top, get fatter!

BOTH sides are more concerned about power and control ABOVE the well-being of people our country...and use 'compromise' to move us toward a complete disaster...with the fattest of the fat-cats at the top!...and they don't give a rat's ass about anything but their own WILLS...over the rights, of the people.

Gosh, I hope that's at least reasonably clear to ya'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 07:46 AM

Clear as mud, GfS... Maybe you ougtta check out what alot of Dems are talkin' like... There's plenty of good work being done by some rather dedicated Democrats in both chambers... Whenever I see quotes from Nancy Pelosi being put out there as if she is the only Dem in the world and represents every Dem in the universe I automatically think "right wing blog"...

Plus, I really don't see where the Dems are the ones who are tacitly endorsing "by any means nesessary"... I think it's fair to say that the crybaby Repubs have stooped lockstep to this position... I mean, leaving the House Chamber to egg on spitters, haters, conspircy theorists and the like is a form of terrorism... As the folk who were called "nigger" or spit on... That kinda stuff used to happen in America during some much different times...

This entire idea that "Well-Ralph-both-sides-need-to-calm-down" is nothing but Republican PR to justisfy their collective bad behavior...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 11:07 AM

Bobert: "This entire idea that "Well-Ralph-both-sides-need-to-calm-down" is nothing but Republican PR to justify their collective bad behavior..."

For what its worth, as far back as Ford/Carter presidential election, I had decided to to be affiliated with either party, for the same reason I hold today.......They're NOT working on behalf of the common citizenry!..and of course, I was right then, and right now!

I think this is CLEARLY obvious to those who are tired of rationalizing very destructive politics from both groups of greedy traitors.

By the way, the numbers of people to hold that same opinion is growing exponentially. Once again, Sanity is ahead of the curve! (grinning)

Play music, compose music..and bring the heart back to this people!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 11:27 AM

Well, to a point I have to agree with you, GfSer... The last Dem prior to Obama I voted for president was Jimmy Carter... I've cast 3 votes for Ralph Nadar, however, and have had my Dem friends put the blast on me for that so I understand ther arguments...

I'm still a Greenie but given the full assault by the right that is going on I am having to at the very least give some attention to some of what *some* of the Fems are saying and there are some decent people with decent thinkerators out there... I am very imnpressed with Sherrod from Ohio and the guy (can't remember his name) who took Biden's seat in the Senate... These are a couple of very reasonable, well intentioned people who sound a little on the Nadadish side...

Play music??? Ahhhhh, yes, this is festival season (no smoke filled beer joints) and I've got Spingfest (Luray, Va.) on the 8th, a large private party (220-300 people) to do back in Harpers Ferry, Wes Ginny on the 15th and opening for The Bush League (no, not George) June 25th... And calls comin' in so....

... yes to gettin' "The Sidewalk Bob Show" cranked the heck up!!!

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: ichMael
Date: 28 Apr 10 - 11:58 PM

Back to what started this thread. The actions of Heath Shuler, the white congressman who said he heard black congressmen called names, then backed away from his lie as if it was no big thing. From the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0428/Why-tea-party-defenders-won-t-let-N-word-claims-rest

Unwilling to let charges of racism stand, "tea party" groups continue to challenge claims by members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) that protesters hurled the N-word at them 15 times at a "Code Red" protest in the run-up to the health-care reform vote on March 20.

Good for them. Don't let Shuler get away with slander and incitement to riot.

Without hard evidence for either side, the conventional wisdom might be for tea partyers to let the incident slide and to blame the movement's more radical elements. Instead, a group called the Tea Party Federation sent a letter to the CBC on April 26 demanding video or audio corroboration of the accusations.

The burden of proof is on the ones who made the claim, not on the Tea Party, and the accusers can't produce proof. AND they're backing away from their lies.

Already concerned about agents provocateur infiltrating rallies, tea party members say they either want help to ferret out the guilty party – or an apology from congressmen it if turns out they made up the incident to discredit the tea party movement.

Amid at least one poll showing that the public perceives the tea party movement to be at least partially racially biased...

What crap. The public "perceives" racism. The government-controlled media's trying to work the Obama mob into a frenzy. They already have most of you thinking it's okay to infiltrate groups and act as provocateurs, and next will come lynchings of Tea Party members because you "perceive" that they might have done the same to a black person if they got the chance. Bona fide crap.

May's going to be a bad month for Obama with the citizenship thing. Don't join his mobs if his provocateurs try to start diversionary race riots. His buddy Bill Ayers is already out grandstanding with the Brown Berets, and Ayers has SAID he wants race riots in America. Don't fall for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 11:02 AM

Bobert: "Play music??? Ahhhhh, yes, this is festival season (no smoke filled beer joints) and I've got Spingfest (Luray, Va.) on the 8th, a large private party (220-300 people) to do back in Harpers Ferry, Wes Ginny on the 15th and opening for The Bush League (no, not George) June 25th... And calls comin' in so....

... yes to gettin' "The Sidewalk Bob Show" cranked the heck up!!!

B~


God Bless you!!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Apr 10 - 09:22 PM

Hey, I play the "Devil's music"... What's God got to do with it...

Awww, jus funnin' wid ya, GfS... I'm kinda like my hero, Son House, in that Saturday night I'm jukin' and carryin' on about all kinds of stuff that the blues is about but Sunday mornin' I'm on my knees askin' fir forgiveness... But I do it anyway...

BTW, I'm sure you'll like this but there are a few stories I like to tell between songs and one goes like this; "Hey, ya'll, a buddy 'o mine in Norway was asked what the blues was all about and after a few seconds of thought he said 'Well, the blues is 99% about women and other natural disaters'"... Yeah, I stick that in every set I play, unless, of course I'm booked to do more than one set at a certain gig...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 02:53 AM

Hey, this lass,( friend), when not touring or recording still goes to the local pub, and blows with the folks!!

This one!

Who is here, too

I still pop in and certain 'open mikes.....and blow them away, as well!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:06 AM

Yeah, I do the same.... There was a time in the 60's when I was absolutely terrorized to play "open mic" at the Crossroads Coffee House in Richmond, Va. but ya' gotta start somewhere... I remember those days well so when I do the occasional open mic I remember that somewhere in the joint is probably some kid feeling like I did back then and just wishes it was over so I never go more than 10 or 15 minutes and usually tell folks that exact story before I play... Kinda realxes the youngin's, too, knowing that, hey, we all been there...

I liked that Celtic music... I ain't much on it but I know when somethin' is being done well... I did, however, get into Declan Masterson some about 12-15 years ago... Kinda the Leo Kotkee of the Umbrian Pipes...lol...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Party Terrorist Organization?
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Apr 10 - 07:40 AM

(Knock ir off, Boberdz... Ya' know there is no talkin' music below the line!!!)

Opps... My deepest apologies...

B;~)