Were we ever that young?

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Damon
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 02:31 PM

Oh Boo Hoo Damon! Wahhhhhhhhhhh! Your about as clever as this morning's loaf.    Such a predictable response Martin

I forgot what you will never even know about music, Damon, or Demon, or Mailer Daemon or what ever you think you are. So what??

As for the rest of it, I agree with you that you have the right to say what you like to whom you like, but whether it is right to do so is probably where we disagree.

Ranger1's post surely tells you how your approach to criticism is just destructive, so why bother?

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 02:38 PM

Martin Gibson, I respect your right to have your own point of view, but I also claim my right to tell you that I think it is stupid.

I've written poetry, and I know that most of it (especially the mercifully few angst-ridden ones) sucks. Which I was told. Because of this, I stopped writing.

It took a very understanding, more experienced person to look at it, with out giving up at the first sign of crap, to find what was good in it. She didn't tell me it sucked - though she could have. Instead she helped me to improve, and gave me the confidence to start writing again.

If someone is brave enough to present a creative piece, that they have worked hard on, to you, I think you have a responsibility to help that person improve, especially if it sucks.

(And don't attack me for using poetry rather than music, please...I'm just using a real experience)

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 03:09 PM

Shlio, I absolutely will not attack you because your response measured zero on my bullshit meter.

And it is the approach or lack of approach as to if you really do or do not have the responsibility.

I myself do participate in bluegrass jams where players of different caliber show up. What always happens is the accomplished players end up in one room, the novices in another and everyone else somewhere else. The players do move freely from grouping to grouping and the novices are encouraged to watch and listen and learn from the more accomplished. sometimes a novice will ask a question, others will not. Some will try to chord along quitely, others haven't a clue that they are screwing up the song.

You know what I think is my final conclusion to it all? It all boils down to attitude. Aspirations with no talent or potential don't have to be told "you suck." Maybe "don't quit your day job." gets the point across just as well.

Personally, if I'm asked I might give a pointer or two, but if not I do not feel the responsibility to give one the time of day.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:23 PM

Wrote a song a few years back that started with the lines:

"You know you're getting old when you start to say
I wonder what's the matter with kids today?

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Peace
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:33 PM

I got a hot flash. The kids today are little different than any of us used to be. Same insecurities, same worries, same views of self and others, same angst and same desires. Same chords, too.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:37 PM

Yeah... and why be so demeaning of people who use three chords in most of their songs? Demean me too, then. And most traditional singers.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: freda underhill
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:54 PM

demeaner you are, demore you demean..

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:59 PM

Demeaning is in da actions, not in da woids...


A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 07:04 PM

U is delightful, freda!

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 07:30 PM

Martin Gibson.

If you are prepared to be judged, who really are you, and why do you think you are so good?

I use my real name. I know my limitations. Dave Bryant uses his real name. Eliza Carthy uses hers. Are you chicken or what? Are you prepared to be judged? You say you are Jewish. Will you scream racism if someone makes that a point of criticism?

I have never heard Martin Carthy or Ian Bruce say to someone that they suck. Likewise a singer I know who, as a non-folk player had a No 7 hit. I remember very well Martin saying of a song that Jacqui and I had sung "That was a good song. Is it one of yours?" It was, and I don't like it much any more.


When you pass such thresholds we may value you as much as Cowell. Until then, you are beneath contempt.

Oh, and incidentally, you are so proud of your two guitars. When will you learn to judge something other than historical reputation?

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 08:46 PM

I wish you folks would stop mis understanding me. You know damn well what I'm saying. Of course there was a time when I only knew three chords, but damn it, I didn't stay in the dark ages.
Of course there are many songs that only need three chords, but Lorena isn't one of them.

I liken the person who writes doggerel about his kids to people who drag out yards of pictures of their grand children. BORING.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 08:47 PM

In other words, get a life THEN write about it.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 10:02 PM

Not sure what you mean by getting a life, Kendal. How do you know when you have one? Or can someone else tell you, if you don't know?

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 10:03 PM

I will always know that it was a real luxury for us in the 60s to have a place with a stage where we could do the music several nights a week and get better at it as a result of that dynamic tension. They even gave us a burger abd chips and a couple of beers----almost like we were getting paid for our music. I liked that, got used to it and kept on keeping on. As I've said, it was a bit like alchemy; we sang into the wind---and went home with the rent.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 10:13 PM

Hey, Amos:

When I mentioned Pat Boone and Perry Como, I intentionally chose safe singers that even Mom and Dad liked. I liked Elvis alot, but was more partial to Gene Vincent and Eddie Cochran, understanding that they weren't as good. Vincent and Cochran seemed to stay dangerous after they became popular. Maybe they would have worn sequined white jump suits and played Vegas later in life, but I kinda doubt it.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 11:48 PM

I think Kendall is putting his finger on an important point that has been the bane of poetic types since time immemorial: viz, the intensity of personal experience vice the breadth of common experience. The great poet finds the intersection of these things deftly with vivid accuracy -- e.g., Frost and the Path Not Taken, Eliot and the Love Song of... or Thomas and Do Not Go Gentle. Vivid intersection betweent he Moi and the Toujours.

But the art is in making it vibrant and echoing and electrick, Godammit! And, if that does not make sense, blame it on Chianti.

A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: LadyJean
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 11:49 PM

I don't write songs, but I do write. Though, so far, nobody's bought my fiction, except the IRS.
I've collected a number of rejection slips. The kind I hate, as does every other writer I know, are the kind where the editor decided to be clever. He makes some nasty, snide, remarks about the story. One of my friends got a rejection that read "That was a waste of both our time, wasn't it."
She put the word out that this guy was an S.O.B. and he got fewer manuscripts. In fact, the magazine folded, I think because the editor was a jerk.
The rejection letter I like, as much as one CAN like rejections, offers a few encouraging words before discussing what I did wrong, and why they aren't going to publish it.
Young talent needs encouragement, along with a bit of constructive criticism.
Was I ever that young?
When I was 17, and old enough to know better, I swore at the head of the upper school, because I wanted to take a creative writing class with a published writer. (The alternative was a lady we called Auntie Groovy who never even sent her verses to a publisher.) I wanted criticism from somebody who knew about writing.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 11:55 PM

LadyJean:

May you continue to cuss roundly whenever conditions warrant.

Blessings,

A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 12:32 AM

Mark Twain said,

----There was never a life lived on this planet that was not a failure in the eyes of the one who lived it.

That's a paraphrase but that's the idea of it.

Art

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 12:56 AM

Art:

I owe you one for that quote...

Thanks, man.


A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 05:42 AM

"In other words, get a life THEN write about it."

Ah, Kendall, again I think you may be misunderstood here. No doubt you are aware that children are not kept in zip-locked bags to emerge in their twenties clean and innocent and devoid of feelings or the chance of childhood trauma.

Many of people's deepest experiences, the ones that mark them for life, happen in their early years. Of this I speak from my own history.

A life begins to be interesting as soon as we begin to ask the big questions, or have had them forced upon us. There is no age limit for this, and it can begin before inception, if you are one to believe in "before lives". But the point I'm trying to make, is...if someone feels compelled to express themselves, then so be it. Our choice is to listen or not to listen. More than that is taking on an aspect of judgement that unless asked for, is often better left to those who will impart their own expertise with compassion and tolerance...

Of course, this is all IMHO..xx..e

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 08:13 AM

Some years ago, my wife and I were discussing the attire of this young man, you know the type, he looked like he had dressed inside a Salvation Army collection box in the dark. He had half of his hair shaved off, what was left was different shades of yellow and blue, his face was full of shrapnel and he looked like his IQ was about room temperature. Wife said, "Oh he's just making a statement, ease up."
I said, "Making a statement eh? when Thomas jefferson was not much older than that he wrote the declaration of independence. When Abe Lincoln wanted to make a statement, he wrote the Gettysburg Address; this guy walks on his pant legs." Don't have much to say, does he"?

One of my nephews showed up at a family gathering dressed like that and I said to him "Oh, did the Clampetts have a yard sale"? All I got was a blank stare.

Oh, by the way Jerry, you do have a life.!

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 10:11 AM

We wanted to raise ours that way, but in those days the ziplock bags were all too small.


A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Damon
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 10:23 AM

Poor dress sense isn't a crime, nor's a low IQ...and I should know, having never been arrested for either!

I read once that Ghandi, when being told how great a man he was, said that he saw every human being as being a greater person than himself.

I think it's true and always try and remember it when I start getting a bit judgemental about people. You just need a bit of humility to admit it.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 10:34 AM

Nice sentiment, Damon -- I dunno about the proposition that "any other is greater than I am", that seems to me a bit disabling; but humility is essential to insight and understanding. The only reason we don't praxctice it here is because it isn't funny! :>)

A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 10:34 AM

Well put, Damon: When I see someone dressed outlandishly, I figure they want me to see them dressed outlandishly, and they have a reason. It's not that they have a low IQ. They may have a higher IQ than I do. If IQ could be accurately measured by how we dress, they could skip all the tests and just have people submit a photograph to someone who had the gift of measuring IQ by clothing or hair styles.
People who make flamboyant efforts to get attention are hurting (I think.) Whether they dye their hair pink or come in here intentionally insulting everyone in sight. That doesn't make me want to be around them, necessarily, and usually they have shut themselves off so much that it's hard to get beneath that surface... whether it's an insulting attitude or pink hair. There are all sorts of ways to draw attention to yourself, just as there are to make sure that no one can really get close to you.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 11:11 AM

Here we go again! Is my command of the language so lacking that you can't understand me? I did not say, nor did I imply that people who dress like that are low on the IQ scale. I said THAT particular person LOOKED like his IQ was room temperature.
My grand daughter was inro "Gothic" for a while, her IQ is off the chart. She dresses funny, but she is as articulate as anyone I know. 18 going on 60.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 11:24 AM

...and her friends consider her a walking artform.

A JOKE: When I see someone with blue and yellow and red spiked hair walking down the stree I just figure his or her dad enjoyed mating with peahens.

Art

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 11:42 AM

I have been trying to sort through this thread. If I dump the crap
there are valid discussion points left.
Open mike's can be a lot of fun. Those who go do so of their own free will. I would suggest that if you don't like the performance or the venue that you do not return. Unless criticism of a performance is constructive with an attempt to help it is best left unspoken. Over the years I have watched many performers who "sucked" on their first attempt
improve to a remarkable degree as they gained confidence and skill. I am sure that someone discouraging them when they are so vulnerable, would be considered an "AH" by most caring people. If the intention was to belittle the performer they only belittle themselves.
Some are by nature, more skilled and gifted than others, but there is nobody who will not improve as they gain confidence. The best way to help is to show some appriciation and encouragement.
As for judging people because they only use 3 chords and a capo to do a song , these were the tools of Woody Guthrie and Hank Williams.
I have heard Woody quoted: " Anyone using more than # chords is just showing off!"
Hank had a great back up band called the Drifting Cowboys. On some recording sessions they wanted Hank to leave his guitar out but in most cases he refused. My favourite songs of his were the demos that were released after he died . Just Hank and the guitar and in most cases three chords with the odd minor or seventh.
                           Sandy

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 11:45 AM

3 chords not # chords. :-}

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Big Mick
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 12:11 PM

I kind of chuckle when I read some of this stuff. Let me begin by saying I have not read most of this thread, just the last 6 or so posts. Does it strike anyone else as funny that the older posters are forgetting their youth and the younger poster figures that being misunderstood is new ground?

Those born in the time frame of 1930 - 40, do you remember the suit coat, wide legged pants and tee shirt? How about the 50's when rock n' roll was the sign of young 'uns going to hell? And the 60's when we rejected everything about our parents generation, from views on sex, to music, to drugs? And so on. And do you remember how we were supposedly just trying to get attention, according to the older folks that judged us? Of course, we never saw it that way, we were trying "to change the world" from the mess the older ones had made. "In our world, we're going to make it strong, our world...." in the worlds of a song. We felt completely misunderstood by our elders. Then we got older, and what happened? Some of us turned into our parents. Do you remember being judged based on how long your hair was, instead of by your actions, and how angry that made you feel?

Damon, what you are feeling is not new. We went through it, and some of us became our parents. But you are misreading Kendall, as he is one of those who just likes folks that are decent folks. He may be a crusty old fart, but he is a great and accepting crusty old fart.

When I see someone walking down the street with an outlandish look, I see myself at various times in my life. And I remember that I was simply trying to define myself, or make a statement, or just be me. And in my opinion, and it is probably just mine, I came out OK, and am still trying to make a positive difference on this old orb.

So to answer the question posed by thread, yes, I was that young. And, God willing, I still am. If only my body felt it..........

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 02:00 PM

I remember the 50's with the Duck's ass hair cuts, the leather jacket with studs, the engineers boots. Even as a teen ager I thought them all silly. Through the 60's I was a member of the establishment, I've always hated rock and roll, Elvis to me was a cow eyed geek. A man with an outstanding voice wasting it on tripe.
Never been a lemming, never will.
I say "Hermits Unite"

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Damon
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 05:14 PM

I agree there Kendall, I aspire to hermitage myself!

I'm sure you are, like Mick said, a great crusty old fart(no offence!), but I didn't misunderstand you. I know you weren't saying dress and IQ are intrinsically linked.

If anything, I'm probably just oversensitive to the subject of being judged on appearance, having had a gutfull of it over the years. But I'm sure it's just a natural reaction to anything different in our surroundings... I do it myself sometimes but try not to form a negative opinion.

This progression through life into older age is certainly fascinating. As youth receeds, rather rapidly, into the distance it seems to get harder, for me at least, to recognise who we once were. I don't feel like the same person at all for some reason.

For all the faults of youth I'm still envious of the starry-eyed innocence it has.

damon,    trainee crusty old fart

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 05:49 PM

Well, kendall, I really liked engineer boots, but me mum wouldn't buy them for me!!

A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 07:43 PM

And I had a Harley and wore blue suede shoes. Was I cool, or what?

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 08:16 PM

Jerry, I just got a mental picture of you in a Hell's Angels outfit!

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 09:37 PM

Actually Kendall, I was a member of the Heck's Angel.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 12:18 AM

Jerry said, "Was I cool, or not?"

Friend Jerry, sadly, the answer be "no".

Art

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 12:21 AM

Hmmm?? Darn-it's Angels? :>))

A

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:32 AM

I'm also sensitive to the idea of someone being judged on how they dress. Perhaps it's because I find my own clothing becoming more and more about comfort and less and less about "fashion", not that I ever followed anyone else's idea of which was which.

When I worked in a book store in DC back in the mid-70s for a short time, I found myself being told by the assistant manager not to talk to any of the customers. When I asked her why not, she very pointedly looked me up and down (I was wearing a flannel shirt and jeans- all quite clean) and said she could "tell I wasn't well-read". This was purely based on my appearance as she and I had never exchanged two words (I was hired by the manager who was duly impressed with my resume which included two degrees, and also noted that I had opened and run my own bookstore with my mother in my late teens).

I was flabberghasted that this other woman had been so quick to judge me and I made a mental note to myself to remember this forever more...xx..e

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: freda underhill
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 07:10 AM

when i was young it was bellbottoms, lace, indian embroidered clothes, gypsy headscarves and hand embroidered jeans. Psychadelic face and body paint, black eye makeup and indian jewellery. My boyfriends had long hair, played the guitar and wrote poetry, and my father told me they looked like a bunch of queens living off the streets. one old boyfriend was notorious for once rollerskating around the lake in Canberra, while wearing a tutu and tripping on LSD.

yes, the young people of today are missing something...

I am severely disappointed that my tall, handsome, blue eyed son won't grow his hair long, and have told him he looks like a fascist with his short haircut. My children have grown up to be materialistic yuppies - where did i go wrong?

freda

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:18 AM

When I was growing up, we were very poor. Whoever left the house in the morning first was the best dressed. We wore ragged clothes and long hair, and we were the but of jokes from the kids on the other side of the tracks. We were judged by them because of our appearance, but who were they? Was their opinon of me worth a cane hole in a cow turd?
Now, ragged clothes and long hair is chic. Born too soon, thats all.

I can't help but think that there are still some of you who mistakenly think that I judge people by their appearance. That is just not so. I size people up by talking to them. My remark about the kid with the spiked hair, frumpy clothes, face rings and vacant stare was a one shot deal. HYPERBOLE!! nothing more.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 11:50 AM

I believe you Kendall. After all, you didn't judge me..

Jerry

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 12:41 PM

Hell, Captain, that was the point of part of that post. I have never met a more authentic person than you. You are accepting of almost anyone you meet, so long as they are decent folks. I don't believe you make much more than a note of how someone appears. I have seen you, with every manner of person you meet, charm them and usually make them laugh. Just in case anyone misunderstood, the "crusty old fart" comment was nothing more than a term of endearment to a friend that I love dearly. Kendall Morse is more in touch with the feelings of his youth than most young folks I know.

Mick

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: harpgirl
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 03:26 PM

I finally read this interesting thread. It reminded me of my first performing. When I first began singing and playing on the mountain dulcimer, David asked me to get up and play with him at an Ark performance of his. I was in my middle twenties and I was then unable to get up and do that and poor David was left playing accompaniment to what he thought was going to be a hot dulcimer tune. Of course, anything he did was superb. So I missed out on a terrific debut duet. It probably would have launched my career as a folk singer!

The next time I actually got on stage was at a coffeehouse in Nortwest Detroit at a performance by my good friend Eric Glatz. I played two songs and the entire first three rows was young autistic children and adolescents from a local institution. I still remember the raucous hand movements the kids made while I played. They were a forgiving audience. I was terrible.

My easiest years of performing were then in Arkansas where I moved to immerse myself in mountain music. Stage fright evaporated under the dogwood trees in the Ozarks. I played everywhere with little self-consciousness. I wonder why. I've never regained that feeling of ease in performing and have done less and less as the years roll by. I think it was because that was what I wanted to do, I was young, and cared less about what people thought than about what I WANTED TO DO.
I wanted to sing old songs.

Nowadays, I feel like I did when I was at that coffeehouse in Detroit. At any rate, I think it is essential that young people get up and do their best. I hail them and even though most of what I hear by singer/songwriters at any age doesn't appeal to me, when the song is universal in theme and it is performed on key that is good enough for me. We all have to find our path in life.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: JennyO
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 08:27 PM

..one old boyfriend was notorious for once rollerskating around the lake in Canberra, while wearing a tutu...

I didn't know you used to date Bill Arnett, Freda :-)

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: beetle cat
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 10:08 PM

In my short lifetime, Ive never seen another teenager in the folk circle, and I can't help but wonder why. Im 17 now, and I won't take offence to any of the cruel comments you old farts have made about kids my age, because maybe some of them are true.
I sing songs about events that I havn't been through (death of the spouse, termoil and hard labor, the life of a sailor..). We have all sung the national anthem, but how many of us were there when it was written? Maybe I'll understand what I sing someday, maybe not. But I'll be prepaired.
One thing that I noticed is that I very seldom get and criticism, and it's not because I'm any good. I appreciate some constructive criticism every once in a while, because it means that someone is listening, and that they take me seriously enough to give it to me. It would probly be different if i wrote my own lyrics.
If it were not for Alison and Frank, who practically kidnapped me and forced me to sing, I would still be confined to the shower.   All they had to do was be cool.
Parents? Haha, im not doing this out of rebellion. If I wanted to rebell I'd be a chearleader, but I do admit that their constant support can get annoying.
I would think, that when I get to be your age, I would love to be reminded of my teenage years. Kind of like me reading through my first grade notebook. Was it really that horrible for you? Or maybe it just reminds you of how old you are. I find elderly folks fascinating.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: kendall
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 10:24 PM

I have nothing against young people, but I do think youth is wasted on you.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: Midchuck
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 10:24 PM

I would think, that when I get to be your age, I would love to be reminded of my teenage years.

Oh, Gawd. Anything but that. You suffer so much as a teenager, if you're the least bit different from all the rest. It's all suffering you inflict on yourself, because you accept the group's - the tribe's, I should say - judgment of you as bad and inferior because different. But it's very real at the time.

What happened at Columbine what simply an extreme reaction to pressures that a large minority, at least, of all teenagers have to deal with.

When you hit middle age, you are able to realize that the majority of the tribe are a pack of assholes, and go about the business of picking out the ones that aren't, to associate with. By that time, a number - by no means all - of the assholes have outgrown being assholes; or else become politicians or corporate executives. So there are more people available that you can get along with. But in your teens, you're either a bully or a victim. Both, depending on whom you're with, in many cases.

Obviously, I have a biased take on it. But that's my take for what it's worth.

I've had a very happy life, starting around age 20.

Peter.

Subject: RE: Were we ever that young?
From: beetle cat
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 10:42 PM

yeah, i guess im just lucky then, i hang with the old folks and leave the high school brats to have their silly rivals. so maybe im wasting my youth, but if its so horrible why bother going through it?
oh well. singing is amazing. it makes everything better.