BS: Nobody likes a Tory

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 05:13 AM

I love your more factual contributions....

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 05:37 AM

By that time I was a full time muso, with a disabled wife. So i was getting sneered at by Peter lilly with his parodies of Gilbert and Sullivan, at Tory party conferences.

You don't frighten me Ian, I've been sneered at by professionals.

I couldn't go on tour and leave my wife, she got bundled into the car and had to sat there while I played Merle Haggard (okie from from Muskogee - right wing crap) to pay for weekly shopping. I would have envied your red wedge audiences at the time - no one ever invited me.

Steven Wells (Seething Wells in NME) wanted to put my song about the Hitler Diaries ("Hold On Eva! You'll have to Wait!/I'm not doing nuthin', til I get me diary up to date") on a cassette with Billy Bragg and the Redskins and someone else. Nothing ever came of it though. Perhaps that's the one that would have catapulted me to stardom. We'll never know. Quelle dommage!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:36 AM

Well, we have a long long list of conservative disasters on this thread.

Can anyone point to a success? Don't start with deficit reduction, the skids are under that too as the economy is now officially shrinking thanks to Osbung. Told you so.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:38 AM

well they got rid of Brown.....

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:51 AM

Well the good news is, David Cameron is running the country. Live with it and lump it.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:09 AM

The bad news is the tories have already laid their plans for when the wheels come off the cart. He wasn't right wing, nasty, euro sceptic enough, - not like St.Maggie.

Would that Labour were so prepared.....!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:11 AM

WTF is a 'trouser bonus', and why do only bankers get it?   :-0

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:59 AM

After bombarding us with a million and one reasons for 'disliking' Tories, Mr Bridge, what are you personally doing to get rid of them? Apart, that is from inundating us with their misdeeds - which will achieve f**k all!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 10:30 AM

GUEST,Bluesman free speech is here to stay, Live with it and lump it.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Musket
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 12:20 PM

I've been sneered at by professionals too. Interestingly, those on the right reckon I am a socialist whinger and those on the left reckon I am a capitalist lackey, so the old chips keep my shoulders in balance if nothing else.

Mind you, don't get me into a cold gravel discussion. Been there, got the T shirt. Did I share a stage with Tony Benn in 1984 for purist political reasons or did the £300.00 I got motivate me? Well, being on strike with a baby, I soon got to learn a few "eat the rich" songs. Altruism pays, just ask Bono.

Bridge asks what the Romans ever did for us?

Too easy.

I don't share the Tory outlook but I respect the millions who do. Or at least, I respect their fear of the alternative. I also respect the millions who prefer a Labour outlook. I generally share it in fact. But can you imagine what it would be like if a site such as this ran threads for rich dudes on the subject of hating anybody who disagrees with them?

Tory? Labour? Liberal? You might as well say guitarist, banjo player and fiddle player. They combine to make music but any one of them can start playing out of tune. (Usually the ruddy banjo, but I digress.)

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 12:26 PM

Tories tend to be accordion players and only know one tune....discuss

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:52 PM

Shepherds Hay

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:17 PM

Al, "Oh Yes You're Beautiful" was in the charts in November 1974.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:22 PM

Oh Yes You're Beautiful was obviously not Trad. Arr.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:25 PM

"WTF is a 'trouser bonus', and why do only bankers get it?"

well they wear the knees out on a very regular basis, so.....

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 07:36 PM

Sack the old AND raise the retirement age. Mmmmmm!


Oh, and looking above - I see no-one (with one exception, which kind of sums it up) can think of anything the present government is doing right.


Keep reading - you may learn something.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:00 AM

I told you so.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-tries-to-buy-off-eurosceptics-with-threat-to-employment-rights-2375997.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:06 AM

Costly carrots for bankers - the stick for the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 06:06 AM

'have you fuck all else to do ? '

obviously not, I'm starting to wonder about the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 06:10 AM

hi Ian

<" I don't share the Tory outlook but I respect the millions who do. Or at least, I respect their fear of the alternative. I also respect the millions who prefer a Labour outlook. I generally share it in fact. But can you imagine what it would be like if a site such as this ran threads for rich dudes on the subject of hating anybody who disagrees with them?">

I am with you here. You have described almost perfectly my political views.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 09:35 AM

Dickie, you need help or a hobby,

Just as this thread seems ready to sink below the line, Bluesman comes along, says something insulting to Richard, and complains about the thread. It seems to me he doesn't want it to go away, he wants to argue, and he's pushing buttons to keep it going.

If you truly don't like any thread here, the best response is to ignore it. The behavior you're exhibiting is troll-like.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:57 PM

OUCH!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/26/donor-liam-fox-defence-lobbyist-stephen-crouch

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 06:54 PM

I voted Conservative. Britain was in a mess and Labour wanted to spend their way out of it. It was like a lady addicted to shopping, her bank statement told her she can't afford to go shopping, but she still goes on doing it, thanks to her credit cards. Result, her finances end up in a mess.

The only course of action is to STOP spending, and sell off some of her jewellery on ebay.

I have asked Bridge what he would do to resolve the problems this country faces. He still refuses to answer, he responds with silly cut and paste crap and boring links to newspaper articles that nobody can be bothered to open.

Anybody that goes to school in a yellow bus, knows that we need to cut back on public spending, make people who abuse benefits understand that they are for those who need them, not the lazy, workshy or teenage girls who go out to get pregnant just to get a home without rent, mortgage or council tax. All we hear is about poverty, poor people on benefits. Poor my ass, get on your bike and look a job you lazy leeching bastards.

I support the coalition government, I await to hear what alternative Bridge has to offer besides starting more boring threads, thankfully, elfs close most of them down.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 07:00 PM

the elves, not elfs...yeesh..need to close something else as well

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 09:05 PM

Bluesman you are wrong.

This bollocks is what took England deeper into the mire, Economics is not like the weekly shop. Thatcher lied to you on that point and many more. That's why the green shoots of recovery never happened. Thats why service led recovery never transpires. She lied to you.

That simple. If someone says, your mining and the attendant engineering industry is worth nothibng or at best fourpence. They are lying to you. Similarly with the steel industry. the shipbuilding industry, The motorbike industry. They are lying. You were silly to believe her.

Now confess to your idiocy. For all Richard's nutty additions to Mudcat. He has (at least) ten times your cerebral power.

In short, you are voting for rich assholes who have figured you out as a snob, with nothing to be snobbish about.

Just go away, get an education, Come back in about three years and say you're sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 09:09 PM

as odd as R. Bridge can get (in a nice way), as Al says, when put next to you, he's a genius, sooooo..sonny, you really don't have a whole lot to brag about, do you?

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 04:47 AM

Well, the reality is, David Cameron is running the country. I feel he is doing a great job. The lovely thing about all this is, it gets right up your nose !

It really must get to people like Bridge, do you honestly think David Cameron reads the sh 1 t he posts here ? I have to say, I enjoy reading his frustration.


The Conservative party remind me of a pension assessment board looking into the case of some overweight chancer with a dodgy ticker trying to work his ticket. They don't suffer fools gladly. They are also sharp enough to know that looking at the physical condition of the chancer, that most likely he will experience a gripping pain in the chest and join the night shift, sooner rather than later, hence resolving a problem leaving everyone happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:08 AM

"I voted Conservative. Britain was in a mess and Labour wanted to spend their way out of it."

Face it, Bluesman, Big Al has correctly identified you as a snob - and that's why you really voted Tory. You have decided that certain sections of the population are 'inferior' to you and you have decided that they need to be punished for their 'inferiority'. You believe that the Tory party is the party which is most likely to punish your 'inferiors' with the degree of severity that you demand.

And what happens after your 'inferiors' have been chastised, Bluesman? Surprisingly, perhaps, I tend to agree with you that the dependency culture that has been created in the last few years is problematic. But it was created by a toxic combination of the stupid political ideologies of both Right and Left, and punishing the victims of welfare dependecy won't achieve anything - except dangerous social unrest.

Labour was at fault because they are smug and self-satisfied authoritarians who think that they know what is best for the poor.

The Tories were at fault because they are addicted to the 'Free Market','Choice' and 'Self-Regulation'. In other words the rich should be free to choose to get richer, and richer and richer at the expense of the rest of society. Again, Big Al has correctly pointed out that these toxic notions led to the death of British Industry and mass unemployment - or rather 'real' jobs, with decent pay and conditions, have been replaced by a few poorly paid, exploitative 'McJobs' with few prospects for advancement.

The answer to our problems is not to punish the poor but to start to hold our elected representatives to account for their actions. And that means being much more critical of their stupid 'theories' and ideologies.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:28 AM

So, what party could do a better job running the country ?

People love to attack those who have been rewarded in life with a salary fitting the job they do. I call it jealousy. How are companies expected to hire the right people if they don't reward them financially ?

Labour created a benefit dependant society. Lazy workshy slobs who drink beer all day in some stinking flat which is rent and council tax free and just loves to complain about their standard of living. Go look a job and stop leeching of the rest of us.

Well, the good news is, David has committed himself to reform. Leeches will see their benefits cut and hopefully stopped. Grants and funding to crackpot left wing social projects are to stop. Education and health will also benefit from an overhaul.

Well, check your morning papers, David is still in charge. Now that pleases me.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 05:38 AM

'David is still in charge. Now that pleases me. '

David....first name terms now. I can see how it would please you, and I'm so glad he's not stuck up, and one of the lads.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 06:02 AM

Oh dear, clearly you would like him to be a beer swilling oaf with a 40 inch waistband who farts in company and gets a laugh from the lads.
Hail fellow well met.

So what exactly is your problem with him being a clean cut well educated successful young chappie ?

Always easier to attempt to bring people down to your level than achieve theirs. Sour and grapes come to mind. A few less fish suppers would be a start.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 06:05 AM

Farts aren't the only thing that stink.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 06:34 AM

"People love to attack those who have been rewarded in life with a salary fitting the job they do. I call it jealousy. How are companies expected to hire the right people if they don't reward them financially ?"

But, Bluesman, companies (like banks, for example) don't seem to have been hiring the "right people", do they? Because, if they had, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now, would we? In addition the more the incompetents at the top are rewarded, the worse the situation seems to get.

You want to punish the poor for their poverty (come on, admit it!). But the real reason they are poor is because the rich are selfishly 'trousering' as much wealth as possible rather than creating real jobs for everyone else; it suits them to allow the poor to languish on welfare. The attention of snobs like you is easily diverted by hysteria about 'welfare dependency' and while you and your fellow 'Torygraph' readers rant and rave the rich are free to plunder the planet and rob you, and everyone else, blind!

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 06:43 AM

"Labour created a benefit dependant society. Lazy workshy slobs who drink beer all day in some stinking flat which is rent and council tax free and just loves to complain about their standard of living. Go look a job and stop leeching of the rest of us."

I only work 40-45 hours a week on, so I must be lazy and workshy. DO I need to get a night job and pay more taxes so that my overpaid betters can get the tax cut they richly deservwe?

I am about a kilo overweight, so I must be a slob? MAybe I should change myudiet to bread and water so that I amless than half the woeght of the literal fat cats who binge on caviar......

I live in a flat, sorry, but it does not stink.

I get 25% council tax benefit when I am in singler occupancy (£30/momnth) so I must be a leech - maybe I should donate this to the poor people who have to pay tax on million pouind plus inheretances?

An yes - I do support Labour, and yes, I do complain about my eroded standard of living?

Oh I forgot, I do enjoy one or two pints on a Friday evening, so I must be swilling beer all day.....

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 06:59 AM

Labour done a lot for you then.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 07:20 AM

"Labour done a lot for you then."

It's good to see you keeping up your usual level of cogent political analysis, Bluesman!

And it's no good apealling for sympathy or understanding, SPB-Cooperator. You see he's suffering from a severe case of inflammation of the empathy gland (the technical term is 'Tebbititis') We've seen a lot more cases since fore-lock tugging went out of fashion - especially among rampant snobs and Tories.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 09:15 AM

I worked hard of my life, I worked with my hands, I wasn't an educated man as you may have noticed. I gave a fair wage for a fair days work. All of those who worked for me had regular employment and stayed with me for many years.

I have now retired, I have two private pensions, income from property and live a comfortable lifestyle. Because of that, I am probably a hate figure to some of you that didn't provide for your future or pull strokes to obtain ill health pensions under false pretences. Do I give a toss ? No.

Your jealousy of those who worked hard is dripping out of you. You listen to daily rants from someone who simply never made it in life and look upon him as the saviour of the working class when in fact he wanted the lifestyle, recognition and praise. The fact is, he never achieved anything.

Do I have faith in a Conservative government, yes. They care, provide and reward those who work for a living and dismiss freeloaders.

Enjoy your daily dose of his twisted facts, I hope they depress you, as for me, loving life and living it to the full with the means to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 09:37 AM

"The fact is, he never achieved anything"

Do you know him personally?

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 10:36 AM

"I am probably a hate figure to some of you ... Your jealousy of those who worked hard is dripping out of you."

You rather miss the point, Bluesman. I, personally, am not jealous of anyone. Like you, I'm retired on a private pension. I receive enough to fulfil my needs - although not necessarily my 'wants'! Nevertheless, I am now rich in time - and that will do for me.

Oh, and by the way - I prefer not to drone on about how hard I worked - I did my share and I've got nothing to be ashamed of.

In addition, I certainly don't hate you but I do think that you need to develop a more rounded view of politics. Dwelling obsessively on welfare dependence (given that it probably does need to be re-examined) is not healthy and I still think that you're probably a snob. But then, as I have said above, dwelling obsessively on the misdeeds of one party, while studiously ignoring the faults of the opposition, isn't healthy either.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: BTNG
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 10:45 AM

One question, GUEST Bluesman. Have you now, or ever, served in Her Majesties fighting forces, and if so, in what capacity?

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 11:05 AM

Has this thread run its course? Drawing caricatures of other mudcat participants - who have never met - doesn't seem a productive use of all of that time you now have in retirement.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 11:43 AM

Precisely why I asked if Bluesman knew Richard personally, SRS.

I don't know him personally either, nor do I share his politics, but I have respect for him as a member of this forum, and based on what I have heard about him from other members.

It's a shame but it always seems to be the Brits who stink up the forum. Makes me ashamed to be a Brit sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:52 PM

I am not getting into silly games with you, my past life has nothing to do with you or this thread, keep it on track.
No drifting please Felix.

Thank you

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 07:00 PM

Sorry if you feel I mocked you. Nobody gets the edge of my mockery more than myself. You would know that if you had checked out my music.

Occasionally i forget there's some sensitive souls like yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 08:34 PM

On reflection Bluesman, I am deeply sorry for you and sorry that I called you a turd. You are so unpleasant and insulting to people you don't know, I can only presume that you are lashing out because you're hurting somewhere deep and secret inside.

The children who died in Auschwitz - did they not have bad luck? In my choice of a life partner and earning my living as a musician and entertainer - did I not have good luck? It sounds to sense that all degrees of humanity have all sorts of luck. Did my wife not have bad luck, getting the rheumatoid arthritis that crippled her at the age of twenty six?

I don't know your story, but I sense something awful must have occurred to you, to be so embittered and hurtful. And if I'm right, I'm really sorry for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 05:38 AM

No, this thread has not run its course. It will not have run its course until people see the conservatives for what they are - and the fake Bluesman - for what they are.

Bluesman does not deserve breath. His "debating" tactics when compared with others in the past clearly link him to what has gone, in certain senses, before.

This thread will not have run its course until the rubbish he spews out is recognised as rubbish - like the conservative philosophy. His suggestion that the conservatives "care" for anyone is a conjuration. Their latest initiatives are apparently aimed at the destruction of workers' rights, based on a mischaracterisation of what those rights are, and allegedly to serve capital not the workers. It would do far more to reduce the deficit if tax evasion was clamped down on, if tax avoidance was properly planned round (I have suggested ways on here before) - if the same rules were applied to assets possibly derived from tax fudges as to assets possibly derived from crime - that is to say that the assetholder had to prove that it was legitimately acquired.

This government does not assert that tax fraud impoverishes the state, so tax must be abolished (although I hesitate to give them the idea), but they do say that benefit fraud (which is small in comparison) does impoverish the state, so benefits must be abolished. Apologists for this government say that it is not right to tar all conservatives with the same brush - but produce a stream of propaganda doing that and more about benefit recipients.

What we have is one law for the super-rich - even the middle classes cannot afford to go to court - and another for the rest. To build, to rescue, a "society" that must change.

And in the meantime another example of stealing from the poor to benefit the rich - and tear up Cameron's figleaf of "the big society" which in reality was no more than a disguise for the evasion by government of its responsibilities by leaving them to others, to volunteers can be found here:

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/big_society_is_not_working_1_3915044

This government is evil. Government by the rich for the rich. Any tiny thing I can do to make people realise is a positive thing.


People, wake up for your own sakes.

And, incidentally, as an Englishman I find the assertion that it is "Brits who stink up the forum" unmeritorious. Politics is a legitimate field of discussion. The stink comes from the self-interest in government, and from the prejudice of the lunatic right and their campaigns of impersonation. That is not a matter of being English, but of who and what they are.


I would also remind you that I did in my opening post draw attention to the US site "Nobody likes a Republican" - but I fear it looks as if the USA is too cowed now to put the boot (metaphorically) into the right, where it belongs.

I'll find you some more examples of conservative wrongdoing shortly.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 05:42 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8855776/Conservative-MP-take-five-star-junket-to-Equatorial-Guinea.html


Conservatives with snouts in the trough involved in whitewashing another oil-rich dictatorship.

Par for the course.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 05:45 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/28/bbc-accused-anti-welfare-stance

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 05:50 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-voices-concern-at-directors-pay-2377147.html


"Concern"? The rest of us are outraged. This is what he set in motion. It beggared America and it will beggar us. If it were the poor helping themselves to a 49% increase (directors and CEOs of course have a large hand in setting their own pay levels despite the Greenbury report) Cameron would be sending in the riot police with at least rubber bullets.

Subject: RE: BS: Nobody likes a Tory
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 05:51 AM

Tory lobbying to help the rich

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/28/boris-johnson-reject-transaction-tax