BS: RosieO'Donnell&WillieNelson on 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 05:21 PM

"Huh? No one has? What about the people who worked in the building who saw various work crews going in and out with heavy containers, rolls of wire, for what purpose no one knew? What about the weekend before Sept 11th, when some kind of extensive work was going on of that sort? There's all kinds of stuff about it on the Net, for heaven's sake."

Huh? For heavens sake, there is "stuff" about flying pigs on the internet, but that doesn't count as evidence. There WERE reports of workers in the building, but nothing to indicate anything out of the ordinary.

I'm not sure what life is like in the sticks, but I can tell you from first hand experience that the WTC was bustling with activity 7 days a week. These are not buildings that were only occupied 9-5 Monday through Friday. These buildings were in use 24/7 and seeing workers like you described would not be unusual. I think what you are seeing is someone trying to make their theory work and pinning the extraordinary on the ordinary.

Based on what theorists are saying, it would have required a large number of people to plant the devices. COULD they have been planting thermite? Of course there is a CHANCE. Logically, it does not seem like a very good plan because the CHANCE of being caught far outweighs any potential benefit these individuals would have gained.

If you want to start a war, there are far simpler ways of doing it.   Crashing the planes into the building would have been enough. Bringing the buildings down did not reap any additional benefits. The buildings were not in poor financial shape as some people are making them out to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:54 PM

Yeah. (grin) Isn't that neat? Thanks for noticing.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:52 PM

"turn the White House into a home for the criminally insane. "

It worked.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:50 PM

And YOU need to watch a video on Andy Kaufman's entire wrestling career in order to get your head straight.

It's here...

Now DO it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:47 PM

"Obviously, the Martians, a dying race ( see Burroughs et al) are HAPPY about the melting of their icecaps, and the warming of their planet. Since humans were about to stop global warming by cutting CO2 emissions, the Martans took steps that will lead to a global nuclear war, which will cool off the earth enough for them to live here comfortably, as well as keep humans from altering the increased solar output."

OK, I did fix the spelling errors. You all really need to get up to speed and use telepathy.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:46 PM

Who is???? Hey, I am not an "all", BB, I'm a singularity. What are you trying to say?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:45 PM

"You should conspire to destroy them all,"

See? Even you are not reading what I said. ( We... THEY are conspiring to destroy you all.)

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:43 PM

Yes, it's sad, isn't it? You should conspire to destroy them all, as I am doing in regards to Mel Gibson.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:42 PM

Not a chance. First, I speak only what I know to be true- AND I have established a reputation as a "Conservative". This has them so confused that they CANNOT acknowledge anything I say, or even that I have said something.

No-one will pay any attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:39 PM

Sounds like a very useful device, BB. I wonder if anyone but me is listening?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:35 PM

Mascon- Mass concentration. We.. THEY left a bunch on the moon, too.


The gravity generator was set to implode, which causes a small shere of neutonium to be produced. It would sink into the earth ( aftre collapsing the building due to its gravitational effect.

BTW, the same generator can be used to reduce gravity, making it comfortable for those used to a lower gravity. Just suspend it ABOVE the area to be affected- it counterbalances a part of the Earth's gravity.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:30 PM

I figure that any mascot that was under there would have been obliterated, BB. You did mean "mascot", right?

I think you're the kind of person, BB, that no one listens to regardless of whether or not you're telling the truth. I can relate to that. I had that very same experience when I was a child and it was damned frustrating, I can tell you! It left emotional scars till this day, and it accounts for my secret desire to destroy Mel Gibson and turn the White House into a home for the criminally insane.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:24 PM

As I said, as long as I stick to the truth, no-one will pay any attention to what I say.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:23 PM

Lighten up with the Martian angle and be careful what you say. Some of mt family members--well, that's more than you need to know.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:21 PM

And obviously Martians would have gravity ( and anti-gravity) generators- otherwise, how could they be comfortable here on Earth?


And NO-ONE has looked for any mascons under the former site of the WTC... Nor will they!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:52 PM

Oh. Well, that's okay then.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:47 PM

"I'm pro-Martian, you see. I spotted you as a Martian-hater right from the getgo, BB, and I can't stand Martian-haters. "


Hate Martians???

NEVER!

As long as I state nothing but the truth, no-one will pay any attention, and our... Opps, THEIR plans will be successful.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:42 PM

I like it. ;-) Why don't you start up a website about it and become an internet celebrity?

But I still like my theory a bit better. I'm pro-Martian, you see. I spotted you as a Martian-hater right from the getgo, BB, and I can't stand Martian-haters.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:39 PM

"Why didn't gravity bring down buildings 5 and 6? They burned much worse than building 7 did, and one of them got a great big hole knocked in the center of it by falling debris from the main tower nearest to it. Gravity still did not bring them down. Why? "

The aliens did not turn the gravity generators ON in those buildings.

So, the fact that only the lesser "damaged" building collapsed is proof that my theory is correct.

Obviuosly, the Martians, a dying race ( see Burroughs et al) are HAPPY about the melting of their icecaps, and the warming of their planet. Since humans were about to stop global warming by sutting CO2 emissions, the Martans took steps that will lead to a global nuclear war, which will cool off the earth enough for them to live here comfortably, as well as keep humans from altering the increased solar output.

It is so obvious- if you can't see it, you must be part of the Martian coverup!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:32 PM

200!!!

Man, I just can't wait to hear more about the Martian angle...

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:29 PM

Martians have nothing to gain from getting the American public mad enough to go to war. Therefore no motive.

(at least I don't think so) ;-)

But maybe you know something about those devious Martians that I don't, BB. By all means, tell us more...

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:26 PM

So ... I am probably just a little slow ..... but I need to know. If there was a conspiracy ..... why?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:25 PM

Yeah, BB, but your theory was obviously tongue-in-cheek, intended simply to ridicule. Mine wasn't.

Neither one of us is in a position to provide proof. That's why I said it was a theory. Some theories are more plausible than others, but it depends on your pre-existing emotional bias how you will rate any given theory for plausibility.

Why didn't gravity bring down buildings 5 and 6? They burned much worse than building 7 did, and one of them got a great big hole knocked in the center of it by falling debris from the main tower nearest to it. Gravity still did not bring them down. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:18 PM

After all, we all could see how gravity brought the buildings down. Obviously there were gravity generators brought in by those work"men"
to increase the pull of gravity until the buildiong collapsed.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:18 PM

And if someone did ask questions, they would naturally have a credible sounding answer ready, wouldn't they?

"We're upgrading the phone lines." "We're installing new fireproofing." Whatever.....

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:16 PM

Here's a theory, Little Hawk... Perhaps Building 7 contained the control and observation center from which the Martians observed, from which the signals that triggered the gravity generators were sent. It was well positioned for such a purpose. If so, it would have been then destroyed itself in order to erase all evidence of such an operation...

I have as much proof as you do for your theory... The buildings did collapse, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:15 PM

"but no one has shown any logical way that the thermite could have been planted in the building and orchestrated in such a fashion."

Huh? No one has? What about the people who worked in the building who saw various work crews going in and out with heavy containers, rolls of wire, for what purpose no one knew? What about the weekend before Sept 11th, when some kind of extensive work was going on of that sort? There's all kinds of stuff about it on the Net, for heaven's sake.

All you need is a bunch of supposed "workers", clad in ordinary construction gear, to go in and place thermite and explosive charges in predetermined places and wire it up. And why would anyone suspect they were doing anything wrong whatsoever until maybe some time after the 911 attacks happened? It would just have looked like they were doing some kind of normal maintenance work. What's so hard about arranging that?

All it takes, Ron, is the decision at a high enough level to do it. The rest is a snap. No one questions an official looking maintenance crew that is going around in a building doing some kind of what appears to be routine maintenance. People take stuff like that for granted.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:11 PM

Good science fiction begins with known science and then extrapolates from that. Just making stuff up is fantasy--but even good fantasy has to be consistent with some facts.

Considering the number of people that would have to be involved in Froth's conspiracy, I find that the fact that there have been no leaks or whistle-blowers stretches the "willing suspension of disbelief" beyond the breaking point.

And that's just for openers.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:09 PM

Steel melts at about 2500 F. Aluminum and magnesium at about 1250 F. I have never seen steel burn, but I have seen magnesium and aluminum burn. Quite a sight. New engine blocks are a bit of a nightmare for firefighters. Basically, if yer gonna put water on a burning block, you'd better have enough to KEEP putting water on that block until the temperature is lowered below its ignition point or it can and sometimes does explode. The 'shrapnel' from that can cause serious injury/death.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:02 PM

Here's a theory, Froth... Perhaps Building 7 contained the control and observation center from which the controlled demolitions were managed, from which the signals that triggered a sequence of explosive charges were sent. It was well positioned for such a purpose. If so, it would have been then destroyed itself in order to erase all evidence of such an operation...as well as for a number of other purposes which have already been talked about quite a bit on various sites.

There's another conspiracy theory. Love it or hate it, depending on your bias.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:57 PM

I believe the official view does state that they were weakened - but they do not use the word "melt" as you are doing. That is a huge difference.

Burning fuel, not to mention other materials in the building, can create heat that would weaken the structure - but not "melt".

Your inference gives an impression that the steel melted away, and if you saw the site you would have realized that the beams did not disappear.

You also need to add the stress caused by the impact of the planes that damaged the core. It was not simply the fires.

The Madrid skyscraper is not a apt comparision because
a)the buildings were not the same construction.
b)the Madrid skyscraper was significantly smaller
c)the Madrid skyscraper did not suffer structurual damage from a plane loaded with fuel crashing into it at 500 miles per hour

You are right, thermite could also cause distress to the steel - but no one has shown any logical way that the thermite could have been planted in the building and orchestrated in such a fashion.   

It does not make any sense that a plot would have been approved that would require a Rube Goldberg plan that requires that many steps and points of complication. That is the crap of science fiction that depends on a reader dropping all logic to accept the premise.

Also, here is a Canadian report on the collapse - A Canadian Report

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:42 PM

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wtc_7_huge_amounts_of_smoke_came_from_wtc_5_6.htm

Just go there for a comparison of Bldgs 7, 5 & 6. 5&6 still standing...burned out hulks of steel girders. 7 barely damaged and brought down in a neat little pile. This is an incredibly well-presented article but it takes a minute to load.

Building 7 was perhaps the most solidly-built civilian building in the world. It was a steel building on top of a steel building, and in addition, it had just undergone an additional multi-million dollar upgrade to fortify its 20-floor observation deck which overlooked the rest of the complex. 7 housed the regional offices of all the major law enforcement and regulatory agencies. It was as indestructible as a civilian building could be.

Yet look at the pictures farther down in the article. Hardly any fires in 7 = total collapse. All-consuming fires in 6 & 5 = leftover steel frame.

That's what O'Donnell is talking about. Firemen and cops said the building was going to be "pulled" (industry term for "demolished"), the owner Silverstein said it too. So the building came down as the owner wanted. What's the big deal? Why does that make O'Donnell a conspiracy nut? Answer: because it goes against the official "myth" that was created and broadcast by the media beginning on 9/11. The media must demonize O'Donnell to keep you from looking at what she's SAYING.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:24 PM

Competing conspiracy theories are fun. They can really add spice to a debate.

Ron, does the official view on 911 not assert that the steel beams were weakened by the heat of the fire, bent and gave way, and the buildings then fell down, floor by floor?

An aviation fuel fire does not burn hot enough to have that effect on steel beams. Not nearly hot enough, in fact.

A steel frame skyscaper building in Madrid burned hot and hard, eventually right up to the top floor for over 24 hours. It did not collapse and fall, despite having a huge construction crane sitting on its roof. The steel beams remained rigid and in place. No other modern steel frame skyscrapers in the world have ever collapsed and fallen into their own footprint due to a fire. Only the 3 at the WTC (supposedly).

Steel beams cannot fail due to the heat of burning aviation fuel. They could, however, easily fail if taken out by thermite and shaped charges...as can be done in a controlled demolition. If so, the building will come down at virtually freefall speed and fall into its own footprint. That's if you do it right...which takes a good deal of prior experience.

I think the airplanes were a spectacular visual demonstration intended to deceive. They did major damage, all right. They provided a red herring for people to focus on. But I don't think they were what ultimately brought down those buildings, because you can't melt steel beams (or cause them to bend and give way) by burning aviation fuel around them...although you certainly can melt the aluminum in the airplanes themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: bobad
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:10 AM

Aha!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:01 AM

On the domestic front, an example of the Illuminati "dialectic" at work is Rosie O'Donnell's recent pronouncements on 9-11. The Lesbian poster child sounds like Alex Jones. Her function is to cast the opposition in the mold of the 1960's anti-war movement, focusing blame on Bush and "the government" instead of the long-term international conspiracy ultimately responsible.

from here

Wolfgang (fighting one conspiracy theory with another)

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 10:13 AM

The debris from the WTC is in a landfill in Staten Island.   Many portions were also removed and have become memorials in many local towns, as well as perhaps elsewhere in the country. I have heard some of the steel was melted down and used in the construction of navy ships.

I know it is easy to think that the steel melted, but that has not been proven - at least that I have found. There is evidence of aluminum melting, which would be common in a building fire that also involved an airplane.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 12:39 AM

They got rid of it as quickly as possible, Peace. If you commit a crime and don't want to get caught, it's important to remove all the evidence if you possibly can.

Thermite melts steel. Very quickly. An aviation fuel fire does not burn anywhere near hot enough to melt steel, no matter how big that fire is, and no matter how long it burns. To melt the steel support structures in those buildings you would have needed a blast furnace, an atomic bomb, or some strategically placed thermite...which would have to be put in place by professional demolition people who knew exactly what they were doing.

Since a blast furnace and an A-bomb are out of the question, I suggest that it was thermite which melted the steel. Al Queda did not put it there.

Froth - Don't worry about Canada. You have way bigger stuff to worry about than Canada, I assure you.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 12:27 AM

What ever happened to the debris from the Twin Towers? Anyone know?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 11:24 PM

Frothing at the keyboard. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 10:16 PM

Let's see...

Okay, Little Hawk, there's no queen. Canada is a stand-alone giant among the G-8 and has a rigid immigration policy, except that it lets in more than any of the other G-8 country and then most of those "immigrants to Canada" don't even put the seat down on their way to the U.S. Thank you in advance for the open-door policy that the CIA will point to after it nukes an American city.

And as far as people stealing land, unless "Latinos" are indigenous Americans, they're Spanish/Indian. So it's okay for Europeans to "take back" an area of land as long as they raped the natives hundreds of years before? I'm missing something there. But probably a quarter or more of the couples around here are Anglo/Hispanic, so the racial thing is moot. Besides, when illegals show up, we just tell them to go north because there's lots of land and room to expand in Canada.

Let's see...dogs, dogs, dogs, Firth.

Back on topic:

ROSIE O'DONNELL TOKYO ROSIE
http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_21272284.shtml
(Gotta stir up misplaced patriotic fervor among the WW2 crowd)

'POPULAR MECHANICS' ANSWERS ROSIE O'DONNELL'S CHALLENGE TO 9/11 EXPERTS
http://newsbusters.org/node/11737
(Problem is Pop Mech is a Hearst yellow journalism publication, and the "debunking" piece was written by Benjamin Chertoff, cousin of Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff. Michael Chertoff isn't even a real American, and his cousin has written the "9/11 debunking" article most often quoted. Gimme a break)

(And here's a battle of the celebrities. Wasn't Bonaduce on the Partidge Family TV show?):
MSNBC's Joe Scarborough had the washed up childhood actor and former drug addict Danny Bonaduce on his show. "Personally I think at this point if anyone had a rope thick enough, I think that Rosie should be strung up for treason,"....
http://uruknet.info/?p=m31794&s1=h1

That's nice. If you speak out against the govt's absurd 19-men-with-boxcutters conspiracy, you should be hanged. Bonaduce's such a pervert they could get him to say anything. No telling what kind of dirt they have on him. I guess he's going to be the lead govt spokesman on 9/11 now, huh? Sheen and O'Donnell may not be saints...unless you compare them to Bonaduce. Unfortunately, this is the kind of mud rasslin' that will make non-internet people aware of the govt crime committed on 9/11.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 02:14 PM

Some years back, my sister Pat and her husband John owned a poodle. Not the full-sized one or the smallest one. The medium-sized poodle. Neat dog. Very intelligent.

They usually didn't have her clipped in the usual poodle manner, so most of the time she looked like a small, wooly black sheep. They did have her done up once. Pat took her to one of those canine beauty parlors where she was given the full treatment:   clipped, bathed, perfumed, manicured, and fitted with a red bow. When my sister brought the dog home, for the next several days, she pranced around the house, posing. She knew she was gorgeous! They didn't do that often, though. Pricey.

On one occasion, Pat and John took a trip, and left her—and the house—in the care of a house-sitter. Apparently, the dog resented not being taken along and/or being left in the care of a relative stranger. When Pat and John returned, instead of meeting them at the door as she usually did, she just stood in the middle of the living room, glared reproachfully at them, and peed on the carpet.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Apr 07 - 12:58 AM

Yeah, dogs take ownership damn seriously when it comes to things like that.

We had a dog that didn't "talk" to my father for about three days after such an incident. He wouldn't even acknowledge my Dad's existence. Wouldn't even look at him.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:47 PM

I had a German Shepherd that did something similar with the thigh bone of a calf. I got it for her as a joke. She thought I was serious. She dragged that damned thing around with her for about two weeks before I took it away from her. She sulked--honest, SULKED--for about two days. I got the cold shoulder, the 'look', the sighs. LOL. Loved that dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:43 PM

Not if you use Keen's Mustard.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:43 PM

LOL!!! Yeah, but would he ever trust me again?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:26 PM

LH. Put a dash of mustard just underneath his tail. Trust me, he'll let the sparerib bone go.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:15 PM

Maybe we could fuse the dachshund to a cran rail.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:10 PM

Cool. Now what we need is something similarly powerful that can disconnect a dachshund from a sparerib bone that he has gotten hold of.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:04 PM

We use thermite at Bath Iron Works to fuse crane rails together.

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 11:50 PM

The freaky part was all the steel that was left in the rubble. The steel did not evaporate as you have been led to believe.

Froth, if you wish to say that I've turned against my country, I invite you to say that to my face. Your credibility was low to begin with and when you start questioning someone elses feeling about their country while acting like a coward and hiding out anonymously, then you have just shown that your own deficiencies. Get some help. You are spending too much time alone.