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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Date: 26 Aug 15 - 12:59 PM Sorry, I meant ME mishearing. For example, I thought it was ........watch yourself go by.... |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Joe Offer Date: 25 Aug 15 - 07:06 PM I didn't find any mistakes in the lyrics - everyone agree it's OK? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Date: 25 Aug 15 - 07:01 PM Welll, thats identified a few misheard lyrics...... |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Mrrzy Date: 25 Aug 15 - 05:56 PM Crowds in my pockets, if we're listing mondegreens. |
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Subject: ADD: You're So Vain (Carly Simon) From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Aug 15 - 10:10 PM Somehow, it doesn't seem right that we, a friggin' lyrics site, should have this friggin' thread, with 90 friggin' messages about the friggin' song, and not have the friggin' lyrics. And I really think we should dedicate this song with all our love to Gargoyle. So, as a public service, here they are: YOU'RE SO VAIN (Carly Simon) You walked into the party like you were walking onto a yacht Your hat strategically dipped below one eye Your scarf it was apricot You had one eye in the mirror as you watched yourself gavotte And all the girls dreamed that they'd be your partner They'd be your partner, and... You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you You're so vain, I'll bet you think this song is about you Don't you? don't you? You had me several years ago when I was still quite naive Well you said that we made such a pretty pair And that you would never leave But you gave away the things you loved and one of them was me I had some dreams, they were clouds in my coffee Clouds in my coffee, and... You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you You're so vain, I'll bet you think this song is about you Don't you? don't you? don't you? I had some dreams they were clouds in my coffee Clouds in my coffee, and... You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you You're so vain, I'll bet you think this song is about you Don't you? don't you? Well I hear you went up to Saratoga and your horse naturally won Then you flew your Lear Jet up to Nova Scotia To see the total eclipse of the sun Well you're where you should be all the time And when you're not you're with Some underworld spy or the wife of a close friend Wife of a close friend, and... You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you You're so vain, I'll bet you think this song is about you Don't you? don't you? don't you? Carly Simon, 1973 Source: http://www.metrolyrics.com/youre-so-vain-lyrics-carly-simon.html |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Apr 07 - 08:57 PM Yeah, he didn't want to be used as other people's "saviour" or their political icon. Seems to me that he mainly just wanted to play live music, that's all, and to do it well. He did admire Woody Guthrie and many other classic musicians tremendously, and in his early career you can see him adopting very Guthrie-esque themes in his songs. Woody Guthrie came across as a social crusader in many songs, so it's not surprising that Dylan did also, considering how much he patterned his early career on Woody Guthrie. The fact that Dylan's early career happened at a time of great historical ferment among young people intent on challenging and changing the political and social system, and at the time of a very unpopular foreign war, was what catapulted Dylan, quite unwillingly, into the (perceived) role of "leader" or "prophet" of the youth movement. As such, it must have all taken him rather by surprise. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Carl Date: 17 Apr 07 - 08:07 PM FYI, One Bob Dylan interview, His Chronicles volume one is also a good source for his views on false meaning givein to his songs. June 12, 2005 Bob Dylan appeared on 60 Minutes in his first television interview in nearly 20 years. (CBS) What was the toughest part for him personally? "It was like being in an Edgar Allan Poe story. And you're just not that person everybody thinks you are, though they call you that all the time," says Dylan. "'You're the prophet. You're the savior.' I never wanted to be a prophet or savior. Elvis maybe. I could easily see myself becoming him. But prophet? No." He may not have seen himself as the voice of the '60s generation, but his songs were viewed as anthems that sparked a moment. "My stuff were songs, you know? They weren't sermons," says Dylan. "If you examine the songs, I don't believe you're gonna find anything in there that says that I'm a spokesman for anybody or anything really." "But they saw it," says Bradley. "They must not have heard the songs," says Dylan. "It's ironic, that the way that people viewed you was just the polar opposite of the way you viewed yourself," says Bradley. "Isn't that something," says Dylan. Dylan did almost anything to shatter the lofty image many people had of him. He writes that he intentionally made bad records, and once poured whiskey over his head in public. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: gnu Date: 17 Apr 07 - 07:00 PM Hmmmm.... I tried. Oh well. Fact is, Tunesmith was bang on in the first post. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 17 Apr 07 - 06:54 PM Well, presumably she IS writing out of some kind of feelings. And, yes, maybe she's in denial about the nature of those feelings. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Carl Date: 17 Apr 07 - 06:44 PM If not jilted, It is common for people, and she is just a person to simply get ones feelings out. Why not? If she meant this, Maybe its just her opinion? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 17 Apr 07 - 06:34 PM "What's wrong with a someone simply feeling jilted and seeking an outlet by singing about?" Nothing at all wrong with that - but, if we are going to take the writers' comments at face value, she implies in one of the interviews linked above, that the song is NOT about "feeling jilted" - if by that you mean feeling embittered, angry, resentful, sorrowful ... "Many people spending too much time determining the underlying meaning to his songs." That surely is a matter of opinion. "He later says something like, "Hey the message was simple, much like I sang in the song"." As is that. If he does say something like that (which I doubt), it's his opinion. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Carl Date: 17 Apr 07 - 06:21 PM What's wrong with a someone simply feeling jilted and seeking an outlet by singing about? Seems logical After all, it has happened to many. After all, she indicated that she reveal the name for money for charity. Trying to speculate on all types of meaning on a simple message is a bit much.I havent seen much evidence that Ms Simon was that "deep" in other songs. An example, "I haven't got time for the pain" , Message,She wanted to move on period. Is there need to speculate if she is sending a broad message for future man in this? Reminds me of Bob Dylan. Many people spending too much time determining the underlying meaning to his songs. He later says something like, "Hey the message was simple, much like I sang in the song". |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 17 Apr 07 - 06:12 PM Well - there ya go! |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Bee Date: 17 Apr 07 - 05:18 PM "You know, that line always gives my head a twist, every time I hear it. And having read Carly's remarks in the interviews linked above, I'm wondering if the paradox is based on a difference in male and female reactions to male vanity. Because, it seems to me - correct me if I'm wrong guys - that to guys generally, male vanity is regarded as contemptible, whereas, extrapolating from Carly's remarks, women are more likely to find male vanity kinda cute, or charming." - meself Well, speaking purely from a personal perspective, I find some kinds of male vanity very cute. There's a certain joy to be had observing a young man showing off a little, maybe the shirt sleeves rolled up just so to accent the bicep, or a 'hat cocked right', or a hundred other little things that are done by guys to be a little peacocky. It's usually so overt and a little naive (meaning innocent), or seems so. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Apr 07 - 02:34 AM I don't think Carly Simon is the least bit bitter about her numerous love affairs. She seems to have enjoyed them all quite a bit. That doesn't mean she can't write an ironical song about one. She's not much inclined toward bitterness, I've noticed. If you want really bitter songs about love affairs, check out Bob Dylan or Alanis Morissette or any number of songs by various loud longhaired rock bands. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 16 Apr 07 - 08:24 PM Do we really, really, CARE that much? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Carl Date: 16 Apr 07 - 08:15 PM Sorry for mixed up text. When was the song released? Could there be an airport record (Halifax Airport) for a lear jet on the suspect dates? It is a small airport, unlikely to be many lear jets land there. Then one could look at the owner or passenger list? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Carl Date: 16 Apr 07 - 08:12 PM When was the song released? Could there be a record of lear jet flights into Halifax Airport on the sWhen was the song released?uspect date? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 12 Apr 07 - 03:25 PM In the interviews, she doesn't sound bitter at all. Course, maybe the money eased the pain ... |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Reemans Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:37 PM Just another bitter woman taking a sideswipe at men in general, where we cannot respond. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:43 AM You know, that line always gives my head a twist, every time I hear it. And having read Carly's remarks in the interviews linked above, I'm wondering if the paradox is based on a difference in male and female reactions to male vanity. Because, it seems to me - correct me if I'm wrong guys - that to guys generally, male vanity is regarded as contemptible, whereas, extrapolating from Carly's remarks, women are more likely to find male vanity kinda cute, or charming. So, paradoxically, the subject of the song is more likely to be TOO vain to think the song is about him - because what guy wants to admit to that kind of vanity? (Okay, Warren Beatty, apparently!). |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 12 Apr 07 - 03:52 AM Well, I started the thread, and I was annoyed when it was hijacked by posters wondering who the subject of the "you're so vain" attack was aimed at.BUT,maybe, all this "celeb" talk has answered my question, because the only way Carly's line " You're you vain, you probably think this song is about you" could make sense, is if the song isn't about anybody! So that if anyone thinks it is about them, they are indeed being vain. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:44 PM Actually, I always thought the song was more silly than anything else. But I've gotten a kick out of the celeb gossip that comprises about 90% of this thread ... Well, okay - I just took a glance through - more like 80% ... |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:36 PM Reemans asks, "Why is this pop song of so much interest to Mudcateers?" A couple of days ago, at the National Folk Festival in Canberra, Australia, 2000 folkies packed a venue to hear the finals of the Sound Of Music competition. Why would anyone sing songs from a Hollywood musical at a folk festival? why would it be pretty nearly the most popular event of the whole weekend? Answer: folkies are people of diverse interests. But even in these diverse interests they have some taste and discernment. Sure, You're So Vain is a pop song. But let's look just at the one line that's received some discussion here - "You flew your Lear jet to Nova Scotia/ To see the total eclipse of the Sun." Now, pop songs generally don't concern themselves with Lear jets, or Nova Scotia, or total eclipses. That doesn't make it Shakespeare, but it does make it something out of the ordinary for a pop song. Also, Carly Simon was a folkie before she turned pop, and she had a fine voice, and she was good-looking. What more reason do us aging boomers need for talking about a song? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 11 Apr 07 - 04:54 PM Tunesmith: "If it could be proved that Warren Beatty never went to Nova Scotia to watch the eclipse that wouldn't disprove that he wasn't Carly's main target." Hmmm ... |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Reemans Date: 11 Apr 07 - 04:34 PM Eggzakterley!! |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:44 PM Sod celeb gossip! |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:36 PM But more to the point - in involves celeb. gossip - |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:06 PM Because it's great!!! |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Reemans Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:23 PM Why is this pop song of so much interest to Mudcateers? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:18 AM Okay - I guess I AM a LITTLE vain ... |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 11 Apr 07 - 04:30 AM Of course, this thread has drifted away from the original question. But, maybe not, because if the vain person in the song is a composite figure then anyone who thinks the song is definitely about them - and them alone - is indeed vain. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Wordsmith Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:58 AM Thanks to Little Hawk for standing up for Carly vs. Britney and for doing it so eloquently. I was miffed when I saw the original comparison. Britney can barely read, let alone write songs? As for the "mystery man?" I think Chevy Chase could be included in the composite. I watched him as she (Carly) sang it on SNL. I also vote for Beatty and Kristofferson. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:06 AM Type eclipse Canada 1963 into Google and you'll get any amount of information you want. It was 20 July. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: AWG Date: 10 Apr 07 - 08:25 PM There was an eclipse in 1963 in Canada, can anyone tell me the date ?? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 10 Apr 07 - 07:45 PM There was an eclipse in March 1970 but I think the one referred to in the song was the one on 10 July 1972. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 10 Apr 07 - 05:43 PM Or at least: so vain he PROBABLY (make that definitely) THINKS the song is about him. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Janice in NJ Date: 10 Apr 07 - 05:39 PM According to the Wikipedia: Recently, Beatty admitted that he in fact believes he is the subject of the song, saying: "Let's be honest. That song was about me." Even if the song had not originally been about Warren Beatty, that remark proves that he is so vain that the song is about him now! |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: George Papavgeris Date: 10 Apr 07 - 05:29 AM Ah, but who's to say you haven't? Saying so is not enough. Prove it! |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Mr Vainly-Ironic Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:38 PM "I have always understood it as a double irony, intentionally written so to make that very point, Tunesmith. It's a rare writing trick, but great when you can pull it off; Carly does so in spades in this song. The only other example of such exquisite irony I can think of is the 10CC hit of the mid-1970s: "I'm not in love" - when he clearly is. But there are a few others around, I just con't think of them rioght now." hers another one for you.. "I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts".. of course I clearly haven't ..and who has ? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Apr 07 - 08:46 PM I'm betting on Warren, like I said. Not that Jagger and Kristofferson don't have the credentials...but can they match Warren with his apricot scarf? I don't think so! Just think what it would have been like, though, to get all three of them in a room at the same time...along with just one gorgeous girl to impress... Hooo-weee. It would have been something to witness, I'm sure. Enough to make your head swim. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:34 PM www.space.com/spacewatch/050408_solar_eclips confirms the date. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:32 PM Warren Beatty also has close ancestrial roots to Nova Scoti, if it matters.. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Carl Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:29 PM Total eclipse of Sun in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada was March 7, 1970 |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:11 PM Better than I can believe the comments of the peanut gallery, yeah. Carly Simon strikes me as someone who's been able to look back on her past loves with a good deal of humor and good feeling. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 08 Apr 07 - 05:53 PM Did you read them? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,Guest, guest, guest Date: 08 Apr 07 - 05:52 PM But can you believe her own comments? |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: GUEST,meself Date: 08 Apr 07 - 05:44 PM Yes, but look at her own comments about it. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Apr 07 - 03:52 PM This song had one of my favorite mondegreens in it... "You're where you should be all the time and when you're not you're with some underworld spy or the wife of a postman, wife of a postman." An interesting element is the line "you gave away the things you loved and one of them was me". This puts the rest of the song in context of a revenge song against a lover who jilted her, in my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: 'You're so vain' (Carly Simon) From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Apr 07 - 03:44 PM I suspect it was a composite of a few individuals. Kristofferson, Jagger, and Warren Beatty all seem to fit the song perfectly, so I'd bet there's a little piece of all of them in there. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and give Warren the biggest piece. LOL! To compare Carly Simon to Brittney Spears, however, is kind of like comparing a magnificently painted oil portrait by one of the masters to one of those black velvet paintings of Elvis you see in the dollar store. ;-) |
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