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GUEST,Jim Martin 28 Mar 07 - 09:10 PM
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Subject: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:10 PM

Has anybody been following the saga about ciiizens of Galway city having to boil their water because of this disease? A similar situation has occurred in Ennis in the last year or so.

As I understand it, the problem is caused by farmers' overuse of slurry and the fact that about half of the houses in Ireland use septic tanks.

Look up the HSE website for Ireland for the latest news. (sorry, couldn't make a link)

Water pollution has also partly caused the extinction of the Char (a trout type fish which is a relict of the last ice-age and an indicator species) in Co. Clare, another cause believed to be the introduction of non idigenous fish species.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: folk1e
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:17 PM

Cryptosporidium in Drinking Water is common in all water supplies!
The question is the amounnt of Cryptosporidium involved. One of the benfits of all the "gunk" they put in our water!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:23 PM

SUNLIGHT - AEORATION - Let the ultraviolet do what it does in nature...cleanse, restore, heal.

Why the Irish become French?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Why did hoof and mouth become a problem? Read the old newspapers


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Mar 07 - 09:28 PM

Mr. Jim Martin

With the Spring Holidays near - it appears you are placing a typical UK damper on travels to Ireland.

The laws of slander/libel/internet have gone through a RADICAL change in the new mellenium.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

For example, Mudcatters have witnessed a profound change in my postings.

Be Smart - Be Careful - Do Not cross the Irish Trade


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 12:09 AM

Sorry to hear that dude. It was really nasty here. People would become retarded by being in the water for even a minute. When they sent samples of the water to a lab, scientists came down with retardation by breathing Crypto contaminated air through the vents.

They say in the life cycle of the Cryptosporidium the size of the organism, when compared to a human, varies as much as a 6 foot person suddenly becoming as tall as the statue of liberty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 04:27 AM

So that's why Guinness tastes like it does.............


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: leeneia
Date: 29 Mar 07 - 01:02 PM

Shambles, I suspect Guiness tastes that way because they put soy sauce in it. Cryto-etc would interfere with the fermentation process.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 07:38 AM

Gargoyle.

I happen to live in Ireland and am very aware of the problem as I have a deep interest in the envronment. I would not wish this infection on anyone and I am only mentioning something that is very much in the news here at the moment (Galway are spending €48m on the problem!

I share your concern about the effect on Irish trade but you can't sweep a problem as serious as this under the carpet and hope it will go away, it wont.

Years of abuse of the environment through improper development and intensification of agriculture are catching up with us.

Less use of slurry and installing reed beds instead of septic tanks would go a long way to help the situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,SINKY
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 08:18 AM

Now i understand,i will stop the jokes immediately.Sorry


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 09:18 AM

For so many years I've been looking forward to my first visit to Ireland, and now I find they drink water!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: leeneia
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 10:59 AM

I went to the HSE site but found nothing about Galway or Ennis,just general (but helpful) info.

How does anybody know that the problem is caused by agriculture or septic tanks? It could be caused by pets, bad human hygiene or pure bad luck.

Milwaukee, Wisonsin USA had a crypto outbreak, and it is a big city. No agriculture.

Beware of people who supply quick answers to complicated problems. They may be right; they may be wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 06:16 PM

Cryptosporidium is not an uncommon infection. What makes it particularly nasty is the fact that it is difficult to remove from drinking water once it gets into the supply.
It is not an easy one to detect as it is not a bacterium, so doesn't grow on culture plates. In fact it was only around 1994 that reliable testing equipment became available. I was working in a water testing lab at the time and the Crypto testing was under development. It involved filtering large volumes of water, staining the spores orange, extracting the orange stained spores from the filtering matrix and then counting them by eye under high magnification. It was a very slow and person intensive process. They may have improved it in the past ten years, but it is still likely to be somewhat involved.
Crypto gets reported these days as there is now a reliable test. Before the 90's it would not have been found bcause there wasn't a test.
Crypto is very resistant to chlorination which usually kills bacteria in drinking water.


Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 06:25 PM

Crypto in Wikipedia
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 10:45 PM

There is a MD scientist who has yet to recover from his exposure to CS. The lingering symptoms are that of mental retardation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 04 May 07 - 04:42 AM

our friend Fibula Mattock can tell all on the effects of Crypto doo dahh... after suffering an attack in Libya - she was really peely wally.

It's not a nice thing.

I've had a suspected attack though unable to confirm it at the time after drinking dirty water in Yugoslavia (Dubrovnik) when I went in the 80's. Was v ill, needed rehydrating, and was a mushy mess for a week, in pain and greener than a green thing. It's NASTY!

I'd been out walking, and drunk from a fountain (YES I KNOW STUPID< but it was very hot, and I was very thirsty and desperate for a drink). It was only later when I was walking the walls of the city, did I look down on the water fountain, and discover that the top (it was a HUGE drinking water fountain) was only covered by a mesh, and on top of the mesh were LOADs of bloomin pidgeons. All pooping away. I knew I would be ill. We stocked up on the minerals and rehydrating stuff. And then I was very ill for ages. YUK!

So, if it is true, I hope they can sort it out. Would not wish it on anyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 04 May 07 - 04:45 AM

I guess what I'm trying to say, is you can get it anywhere... not just in one place. And don't let it stop you going. Galway is a FAB place, I love it there.

If you worried about everything you'd never leave your front room.

EWIS


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 04 May 07 - 06:10 AM

Don't hear so much about it on the news now, suppose it's getting too near the election and is a hot potato!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 08:30 AM

The battle is still raging on!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 02:11 PM

Outbreaks common in western U. S. and elsewhere. Idaho and Utah were hard hit this year. The Mayo Clinic estimates about 3000 cases/year in the U. S., but many cases are unreported. Most people have contracted the parasite at sometime in their lives.

In 1993, there were over 450,000 cases in Milwaukee but only 4 fatalities. In Nevada there were 16 fatalities in 78 cases, but it is suspected most cases went undetected (Las Vegas area, many visitors). Only serious local cases seem to have been reported.

People who contract the parasite usually recover in a month. Most people suffer diarrhea which lasts a couple of weeks. Those with very weak immune systems are seriously affected.

Microfiltration helps, but 100% elimination takes time. Water recirculation in pools contributes to the problem; chlorination is not always sufficient.

The Mayo Clinic suggests drinking boiled and filtered water. It also suggests that children should not wear diapers in wading pools, and other measures.
See Cryptosporidium


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: SINSULL
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 02:26 PM

Who goes to Ireland to drink water?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 03:39 PM

lol


CS is still one nasty bug that grows the human equivelent of 6 ft. to 300 ft. during its bizarre shape shifting life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 08:05 PM

Dunno what Donuel is talking about, but it ain't Cryptosporidium.
Cryptosporidiosis

Cryptosporidium

Crypto fact sheet


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 08:37 PM

Thank you for the posting Mr. Duck, it was helpful.

The buggy was confused with Giardia, also transmitted in cyst form through water, and easily filtered or boiled pure.

Fortunately, for humans, dogs, and beaver the diahreaha and illness usually pass within a month. Bysmouth, for humans, is a cheap treatment.

This IS NOT a major health threat like, West Nile, or Eubola, or the 2007-08 influenza. It is a minor inconvenience in the flow of human life.

It is MOST PECULIAR - that a thread bringing doubt regarding travel to Ireland should reappear before a major holiday season.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

One might seriously questions motives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 11:55 PM

I can assure you, Gargoyle!, the time of year never entered my head when I refreshed thread. I was just concerned that interest in the subject seems to have wained. You seem to have a very suspicious mind!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 08:07 AM

Yup, like Ella said, I've had crypto, except I caught it in Libya, not Galway. It was not fun. My weight dropped over a stone in a week. I will spare you the colourful description of the symptoms, except to say that the middle of the desert was the last place I wanted to be. When it is 3am and sub-zero temperature and liquid is coming out both ends and you've only a bucket with a crack in it to vomit into, and the mozzies are circling but you don't have the strength to avoid them... that's endurance.

I got taken to hospital in the back of a pick-up truck because the symptoms are not dissimilar to amoebic dysentry. I lived on Halal chicken stock cubes for two weeks. When I returned home I was banned from my local swimming pools for a month, not that I had the strength to swim.

The West of Ireland is still my favourite place on earth though so I'd have no qualms visiting. And I'm going back to Libya next year too.

(I have not noticed any more mental retardation than usual.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 12:44 PM

Almost half a million people left retarded in Milwaukee?
Has this affected the quality of Milwaukee beer?

(I think some of the singers about Galway Bay are retarded, but Donuel is suggesting a new possible cause.

The retardation relict symptom is nonsense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Dec 07 - 11:57 AM

[Don't tell him I told you this. Donuel is just teasing.]

Donuel, you are so right about the retardation in Milwaukee. The problem is so severe that Milwaukee doesn't produce beer anymore! And they don't have a football team! Have to go to Green Bay and cheer for the Packers.

They have other strange quirks as well. They call drinking fountains bubblers. They pronounce Schroeder Schrayder and Koenig Kaynig. They have an East Side but not a West Side. (or at least, they didn't used to) The teenagers like to watch submarine races, but there are no submarines.

It all adds up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 02:20 AM

I see that I have been a little too flippant. This time there is confirmation that Galway has a problem.

'The mayor of Galway, Niall O Brolchain, has called on the Irish government to provide more funding to upgrade water treatment services.

However, Irish Environment Minister Dick Roche said that the government had already made 21m euros available for such projects in Galway, but the local council had failed to make use of the money.'

What the hell!?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 12:46 PM

Galway Has had this problem for some time.
how much evidence is there that it is caused by septic tanks.
logically if it was caused by septic tanks,surely it would not be just confined to Galway?
If it was caused by septic tanks,there would be more of a problem for those people with their own wells, as I understand it the reservoir at Galway has become polluted.
Stricter control of planning permission is required,no houses to be built near water reservoirs,and limited houses to be built in areas where there is no sewage infra structure.
one of the battles IRELAND faces is corruption,please follow the news on our taioseach ,Mr Ahern,who is having to face questions from the Mahon tribunal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 03:45 PM

I wonder if it would be sufficient to put the correct amount of chlorine bleach in a few gallons of water and let it stand. I know that this is recommended for backpackers facing uncertain water supplies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:02 PM

Nope. It's resistant to chlorine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 26 Feb 08 - 09:43 AM

Just heard on local radio that over half of towns & villages in Co. Clare do not have proper sewerage disposal, only septic tanks and of the ones which do, many are working to full capacity. More big trouble looming!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 14 May 08 - 07:05 AM

Here's the HSE Ireland 'blue clicky' at long last!

http://www.hse.ie/searchGoogle.aspx?q=cryptosporidium&btnG=Google+Search&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&client=default_fron


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 08 - 08:28 AM

If you catch it you could become retarded, and that is no lie.
It is reversable for some but not for everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 14 May 08 - 09:11 AM

Yes I know Donuel, very scary isn't it? I don't think the Irish authorities are taking any where near enough serious action with it!

A lot of the problem could be solved by installing reed-bed systems which, at the same time would improve the bio-diversity in the local environmental habitat!

What are they waiting for, it would cost money but whatever they are going to do will anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 May 08 - 09:32 AM

Oh dear. And I'm off to Ireland on Sunday.

How do you say Cryptosporidium in Irish? We're going to be in the Gaeltacht and I want to be able to tell the doctors.

Never mind -- I just won't drink the water!


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Gulliver
Date: 14 May 08 - 01:02 PM

You can find this in any country. In fact the biggest outbreaks by far have been in the US and in the UK.   Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: Donuel
Date: 14 May 08 - 01:33 PM

during one stage of this creatures bizarre 5 stage life cycle the air born spores are highly hazardous and can be spread by air vents.

During another part if you are in the water you get huge open sores.

IF the size of this spore were a human it has stages when it grows to the comparable height of the Statue of Liberty.

Corporate farm waste and fertizlizer will hasten outbreaks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 19 May 08 - 07:21 AM

Reported on local radio station Clare FM this morning:

'Ennis businesses register their dissatisfaction over water.   

It has emerged that one in four of Ennis businesses have refused to pay their water rates to the town council.



An audit of Ennis Town Council's accounts has revealed that just 74% of water rates have been collected due to issues the town manager believes "reflects the level of reaction to difficulties that were incurred with the water supply.

"



Tom Coughlan made the comments in a report in this morning's Irish Examiner which also quotes the local government auditor as being most dissatisfied with the findings.



There is currently a partial boil notice on the Ennis Water Supply for young children, those who have low immune systems and visitors to the town.

Article read: 334 times'


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 May 08 - 04:48 AM

Gulliver`s right I fished up with "a ring of fire" after drinking the water in Pittsburgh, all visitors should avoid the local water in any country they go to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cryptosporidium in Ireland's Drinking W
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 11:00 PM

This was broadcast on RTE 1 last night and much was said about the growing cryptosporidium problem in Ireland:

http://www.rte.ie/tv/futureshock/thelastdrop.html


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