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Donuel 04 Apr 07 - 01:11 PM
Stringsinger 04 Apr 07 - 01:26 PM
Donuel 04 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM
Don Firth 04 Apr 07 - 07:50 PM
Sorcha 04 Apr 07 - 07:58 PM
Bobert 04 Apr 07 - 08:28 PM
Don Firth 04 Apr 07 - 08:29 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 04 Apr 07 - 08:35 PM
Thomas the Rhymer 04 Apr 07 - 08:38 PM
Little Hawk 04 Apr 07 - 08:39 PM
Richard Bridge 05 Apr 07 - 03:18 AM
GUEST,Seiri Omaar 05 Apr 07 - 07:57 AM
Stringsinger 05 Apr 07 - 07:02 PM
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Subject: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 01:11 PM

Mega Corp with the help of psychotic consumerism is reaching the ultimate heights of capitalism which in the final chapter will kill democracy the American dream and the benefits of capitalism itself.

The unintended consequences; of children losing nature to video games or monopolies controling the all Anna Nichol cable news networks and having our goverment agencies privatized and roads sold into private toll roads, are secondary to profit. The erosion of democracy and anti trust laws are justified as "we are just satisfying our stock holders".

No single political party is to blame. It was Clinton who removed the last vestige of the media being required to serve the public as originally put into law in the 1930's and allowed the privatization of all braodcast news. IT was Reagan who removed the fairness and equal time doctrine.

In a book titled "Consumed" the enevitable outcome of our current McNational policies and mentalities is clearly spelled out.

Now to go a step beyond the book and liik at the privatization of goverment jobs, legislative oversight, the prisons, the courts, the electronic ELECTIONS but how about privatizing the ofice of the President.

I'm surprised Rove hasn't thought of making an executive order that privatizes the presidency and makes it immune to oversight by Congrees the courts and the Constitution.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 01:26 PM

Clinton's flaw was the approval of the WTO. Fair Trade, by contrast, is being addressed now, but it's not being implemented easilly. Some are dealing with this.

Facism and corporatism are the same. Moussolini described this in his system of governing.

The Libertarians (Grover Norquist) are defending corporatism by denying any "law of the commons". Many of them make up the principles of our government today.

Hillary Clinton has said that she was interested in Ayn Rand in her earlier days.

Corporations own our elected officials, Demasses and Rethugs. The only real recourse is to take advice from Reverend Billy and stop shopping. Don't support the products that are corporate-owned and WTO friendly such as from Procter and Gamble, Sara Lee, Walmart, Starbucks, Exxon, etc. Be wary as to how you buy things. Be informed as to who is selling you what. Caveat Emptor has a whole new meaning nowadays.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM

Scene from CNBC yesterday:
A laquered hair blond woman is moderating the views of several investment pundits regarding the question ;What are some solutions for the problems of the big 3 auto makers...

pundit #1 GM will need to sell of their pension program
pundit #2 They all need to pool an investment fund for a coequaliaztion of their widgits.
pundit #3 They should not drop their prices

Blonde: Ok then now its time for our email suggestions..
Joe Blow says The big 3 went for short term profits with their SUV annd gas guzzling trucks instead of taking the long view and making an affordable American car with good mileage like Europe and Japan while...

Well obviously this emailer doesn;t have a solution.
Pundit #1 Inndeed he doesn;t
Pundit #2 just a crank
Pundit #3 Haruummph


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 07:50 PM

"I'm surprised Rove hasn't thought of making an executive order that privatizes the presidency and makes it immune to oversight by Congrees the courts and the Constitution."

Uh . . . I thought they'd already done that.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 07:58 PM

Hell, Frank, a lot of us were 'interested' in Ayn Rand when we were younger. Most of us out grew it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:28 PM

What Don said...

Yeah, with the corporations funding the campaigns of the folks who are in power, I'd say that the entire governemnt has been privitized...

It certainly doesn't have much interest in "the public" any more...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:29 PM

Ayn Rand? Yeah, here, too. A phase a lot of people went through.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:35 PM

This article from the NYTimes is also on this topic...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:38 PM

Try that instead...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:39 PM

I tried to read an Ayn Rand book when I was around 16, but had to quit halfway through because it was almost making me physically ill. Seriously. That was my only attempt to digest her philosophy. Her books were quite popular at the time, but to me they seemed like about the most unpleasant thing of their kind I had ever encountered.

Europe will leave the USA behind, Donuel, because the USA has sold its soul to a completely soulless and destructive philosophy. I hope that Canada has the sense to follow the European mode.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 03:18 AM

"Benefits of capitalism"?   Only for the rich.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: GUEST,Seiri Omaar
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:57 AM

I was forced to read Ayn Rand's "Anthem" for school. I threw it across the room afterwards. "Physically ill" puts it about right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:02 PM

Now the Coast Guard is being privatized by Lockheed and I believe Grumman. The corporations have taken over the decision making from the actual Coast Guard as to what and how ships etc. will be produced. The Coast Guard is now in an advisory capacity.

Blackwater and CACI are privatizing the military. We're paying taxes for that.

The true Libertarian has no problem with this. And much of this privatization can be laid at the feet of the Reagan Devolution. (Mourning in America).

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:20 PM

Not according to what I read HERE, Frank. Here's an excerpt:

The House bill would require the Coast Guard to openly compete all future procurements of Deepwater assets, rather than rely solely on its current Deepwater contractor. The Senate bill would require some, but not all, future Deepwater assets to be opened to competition.

Conferees will have to resolve which contracts should be opened to competition, bearing in mind lawmakers will not want to further delay the program.

Members of Congress and government inspectors have recently chastised the Coast Guard's management of Deepwater for delays, design flaws and cost overruns.


AND:

Integrated Coast Guard Systems (ICGS), a joint venture between Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin Corp., was awarded the original, or base term, Deepwater contract in 2002, and it expires June 2007. The Coast Guard is negotiating the next 43-month phase of the contract, or first award term, with ICGS.

The Senate supplemental bill would require "full and open competition" for some assets, rather than procurement through ICGS.


And, a little bit more:

The Coast Guard's recently announced measures to increase Deepwater oversight include moving the program into the Coast Guard's Acquisitions Directorate and giving the Coast Guard's chief engineer greater authority and responsibility.

"We've already started to implement and will continue to use third-party technical reviews or assessments of the [design] plans," McPherson said.

"We continue to negotiate in good faith with ICGS," and the new Deepwater contract is "being negotiated to incorporate lessons learned," McPherson added.

The Coast Guard can already go outside the ICGS contract to get Deepwater assets, as illustrated by the FRC-B re-competition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Bee
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:10 PM

Add me to the 'made me physically ill upon reading' school of response to Ayn Rand. I think I was around 20, and I am an avid reader (will read cereal boxes if nothing else available).


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The privatized McNation
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 10:47 PM

The Carlyle Group (the Enron of war supplies and security coporations) in which bin Laden Sr. and Bush Sr. are some of the biggest investment holders seemed to have had advance warning of a new Gulf War and made a fortune in the ta da knick of time.

The Emir of Dubai is forward thinking and wants income streams after the oil runs out so they are building the Los Vegas of The Middle East and had high hopes that their friendship with Carlyle Group members would guarantee the purchase of US port mangement and security and Abram tnak factories.

it seems they were right.


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