BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer

Subject: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,ur48rr
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 10:37 PM

The below is condensed from a long Rolling Stone article:

...That time in Miami, with Saint [his son] by his bed and disease eating away at him and him thinking he's six months away from death, E. Howard finally put pen to paper and started writing. Saint had been working toward this moment for a long while, and now it was going to happen. He got his father an A&W diet root beer, then sat down in the old man's wheelchair and waited.

...E. Howard scribbled the initials "LBJ," standing for Kennedy's ambitious vice president, Lyndon Johnson. Under "LBJ," connected by a line, he wrote the name Cord Meyer. Meyer was a CIA agent whose wife had an affair with JFK; later she was murdered, a case that's never been solved. Next his father connected to Meyer's name the name Bill Harvey, another CIA agent; also connected to Meyer's name was the name David Morales, yet another CIA man and a well-known, particularly vicious black-op specialist. And then his father connected to Morales' name, with a line, the framed words "French Gunman Grassy Knoll."

So there it was, according to E. Howard Hunt. LBJ had Kennedy killed. It had long been speculated upon. But now E. Howard was saying that's the way it was. And that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't the only shooter in Dallas. There was also, on the grassy knoll, a French gunman, presumably the Corsican Mafia assassin Lucien Sarti, who has figured prominently in other assassination theories....

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/04/who_killed_jfk_.html

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,tolerance.
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 10:43 PM

Interesting. Who really knows.

Lucien Sarti confessed some years back while he was dying in a French prison.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,ur48rr
Date: 08 Apr 07 - 10:57 PM

Charles Harrelson is the man I always thought laid Kennedy's head open. He killed a judge from 400 yards, shot through the neck. Convenient that he just died, too, after Howard Hunt's writings come out. Harrelson is the kind of guy LBJ and the Hunts would've known, though the CIA would have brought in the exotics, just to muddy the waters.

http://www.courttv.com/people/2007/0322/harrelson_ap.html

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:00 AM

Here's the link to the article at Rolling Stone.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:05 AM

The Warren Commission Report

The 9/11 Commission Report

Huh!

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:17 AM

Oh hell, what's one more?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Peace
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:27 AM

What's one more? Good question. The Warren Commission Report said there was one gunman. His name was LHO. And remember how we all marvelled at the coincidence of LHO being shot by Jack Ruby, and then the coincidence of Jack Ruby (whose conviction had been overturned) having a pulmonary embolism in January, 1967, just before his new trial in February? I love these variations of history.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:45 AM

Oh yea...I'm about to go to bed. You should too, Peace. Nite dear.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:27 AM

Lucien Sarti - my god that's a sexy name!

I wish I had sexy name like that. No wonder these French blokes are sexual dynamos.

Lucien Sarti - its almost an incitement to loose living.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,Lucien Sarti
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:35 AM

Ah my wee leetle drummmeh, but ah could easily blow your tiny 'ead from atop your shoulders at 300 meters or more. Trust me, mon cher, you would feel no pain.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 02:58 AM

but ma frrrrriend Oui Leetel Drummaire, you aussi 'ave a sexee nom. And ah know zat, before Lucien was able to fire un shot, you would drown 'im in ze bath........................

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:57 AM

Right with you on this one, Peace. It's a sad world we live in, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: kendall
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 08:36 AM

absolute power corrupts absolutely

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,ur48rr
Date: 01 May 07 - 10:35 PM

http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_41_revives_links_to_jfk_warren_comission_obstruction.htm

One of the more interesting sites I've come across about the JFK killing. Lots of the famous pictures you may have heard about...the 'tramps' etc. Supposedly E. Howard Hunt is one of the tramps in the photo, but I'm no good at faces. The part about Johnny Carson and Jim Garrison is interesting.

Hunt's son is apparently going to be on Coast to Coast tonight hawking his dad's deathbed confession about the JFK killing. Hunt most likely ran the operation. He also ran the overthrow of Guatemala and did some other odd jobs for the government. A bad, bad guy. And his son has a tape his dad made 3 years ago, when he thought he was dying at that time. His son is making the recording public. I found St. John Hunt's website, link below. Haven't listened to any of it:

http://www.saintjohnhunt.com/

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 02 May 07 - 12:10 AM

Jack Ruby bought his Dallas nightclub from Bob Wills!

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 May 07 - 12:35 AM

And E. Howard Hunt's credibility is so wonderful - why?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 May 07 - 01:44 PM

It's not his credibility, art, it's his incredibility. That's what does it for me.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: John Hardly
Date: 02 May 07 - 02:52 PM

I saw Elvis on TV with Celine Dion just last week.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 May 07 - 03:40 PM

If you're up in your Red Dwarf you'd know that it was actually JFK dunnit himself...

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 May 07 - 04:11 PM

If you really want the information, it is available in the book "Ultimate Sacrifice" by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann. They did a ten year study. It's a fascinating book and plausible. Kennedy was killed by Marcello crime syndicate which included Jack Ruby. Trafficante tried in Miami but was unsuccessful and Johnny Roselli tried in Chicago but no dice. The mafia and the CIA had a plan to overthrow Castro by killing him and placing someone else in his spot. The mafia was enlisted to effect this but decided on killing JFK instead as a revenge for Bobby's probe of organized crime. The idea was to, in Marcello's words, "to cut off the head of the serpent".

I wouldn't trust anything that E. Howard Hunt has to say.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 May 07 - 04:30 PM

As long as everybody is in agreement that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it, we might be able to make some progress.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Kim C
Date: 02 May 07 - 04:51 PM

Who killed the Kennedys?

After all, it was you and me.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Bill D
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:01 PM

"As long as everybody is in agreement that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it..."

Oh? He bought that rifle, took it to work at the schoolbook depository, ran away after the shooting, killed a policeman.... what more do you want?

Did he have help? Maybe...that's not at all clear. Some experiments say "no", others say "maybe"...some say he wasn't that good a shot...others say he got lucky.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:02 PM

What was our motive?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Donuel
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:30 PM

Bill D
it is good that you do not believe evidence in front of your face. The world needs skeptics. But you have a tendency to look once and having not seen, come to the unremarkable conclusion that nothing is there. Maybe your vision is poor, maybe you can not think in the nefarious manner that criminals do. Thats OK, its not your fault, and probably healthy for you in the long run.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 May 07 - 06:25 PM

"...others say he got lucky."


             He would have had to have been extremely lucky to have hit anything with that old Italian military rifle with open sites and mis-matching serial numbers.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,ur48rr
Date: 02 May 07 - 11:35 PM

Listening to an interview now with Hunt's son.

LBJ's mistress talked about a party in Dallas the night before JFK was killed:

"They all went in to this conference room.....Lyndon didn't stay that much in the meeting and when he came out....he grabbed me by the arm and he had this deep voice and he said, 'after tomorrow those S.O.B.'s will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise.'"

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=15167

So, that's LBJ's mistress saying he was involved in it. Then, LBJ's own lawyer said he was involved in the assassination:

"Basically, LBJ wanted power - the presidency and he feared indictment. There was a lot more. He was a ruthless and violent man who would and did do anything. Then I have the exhibits bringing his hitman, Mac Wallace onto the sixth floor - by his prints and a witness. The lawyers I worked with first told me Ed Clark, the senior partner, was behind it. I later confirmed that. LBJ asked Clark for help and Clark provided it according to his long agreement with Johnson. This is the heart of what happened. There is a lot more in the book, to show these men in action."

http://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_transcripts/2003/1120jfk-mcclellan.html

I read McClellan's book and it's pretty interesting, but the above is the gist of it.

Oswald was downstairs having a Mountain Dew when the shooting occurred. He went back upstairs and saw the "nest" someone had set up and realized he'd been made a patsy, and he took off.

Now you have Howard Hunt, the organizer of the event, making his deathbed statement. Those have special weight in law, since the testifier has no reason to lie any longer.

LBJ hated the Kennedys and he was power mad. The people who selected him for VP knew they had the right man in place if JFK ever needed to be taken out. I think Johnson would have relished being involved. Years ago I read that his first two actions after assuming the presidency were to overturn Kennedy's withdrawal plans from VietNam and to reverse the Kennedy withdrawal from the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve thing is what got Kennedy killed, same as it did Lincoln. Fucking European bankers. Both men threatened to interfere with their profits, and both men died.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 May 07 - 11:52 PM

So Oswald drove up to Tennessee and got his own self a Dew and took it back there to drink huh? Mountain Dew was at best a minor player regional drink until after 1964, regional being east Tennessee and the Tri-Cities area along with western North Carolina.

What are we, the conspiracy capital of the internet? I have a lot of problems with the Warren Commission and all but this crap is even more far-fetched. ur48, ur nuts or ru fuckin' stupid? And as ur also Froth ura fizzie as well. Whichever way it is, take it on the arches numbnuts.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Kim C
Date: 03 May 07 - 03:18 PM

I'm enjoying a Diet Mountain Dew right now.

As to our motive, I don't know. The Stones never really said.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,Socorro
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:05 PM

As far as deathbed confessions: legally, they carry weight IF given to a reliable and disinterested hearer.

I doubt that would include a relative writing a $$$$ book, since there is no reason to suppose that his prime interest is in truth and accuracy for the greater good of society.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,ur48rr
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:39 PM

So now the resolution of the JFK killing depends on Mountain Dew's marketing in the early 60's? Mountain Dew has always been a big drink in Texas. Maybe they were just test marketing here in '63. Late '63. Maybe Oswald was just a PR man for the Italian gun industry too. And Jack Ruby could've been trying to generate interest in his real estate holdings. The marketing angle. I'll get right on that.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:59 PM

"Mountain Dew has always been a big drink in Texas."

    Them buzzards in the sky
    get so drunk they can't fly
    on that good ol' Mountain Dew


            But there's no telling what the Warren Commission was smoking.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 May 07 - 05:01 PM

Spaw's comments about Mountain Dew was a code for ...... the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: khandu
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:44 PM

A FEW DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING

"You will not do this", Harv shouted as he tried to wrestle the rifle from Ross.

"Oh,yes,and you will not stop me!" Harv gave Ross a surprise punch to his throat and Ross went down. Harv quickly picked up the rifle and smiled. "No,you will not do it. I will not allow it." Ross struggled for his breath as he looked up at Harv. "Okay,you win. You have beaten me. I won't do it. . So go ahead. you do it. But, damn you, Oswald,if you miss, Lyndon's gonna be pissed!

khandu

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 03 May 07 - 09:41 PM

I'm not much for conspiracies...hard to keep all participants in line, etc. But now I'm darned sorry I won't be around when all the secrets are supposed to be revealed. We'll, I suppose I could be a drooling 99 years old, then; I don't suppose I'd even be enough aware to care.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 04 May 07 - 02:25 PM

Don't know that I would trust E. Howard Hunt to tell the truth even on judgement day. I don't believe Oswald was anything more than what he said. Curious fact leads me to question why would the DAllas Police initially say themurder weapon was a Mauser K-98 when later it was said (Proven if you believe the Warren Commission) to be A MAnnicher-Carcano? Neil

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 May 07 - 02:55 PM

Frankly, I don't think I know anybody who believes the Warren Commission.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 07 - 02:22 PM

There are many people here who accept the Warren Commission Report as gospel. They are the same folks who believe that the check and balance system still works. They are going to be very disappointed in the near future. Hell, 'Commissions' find out exactly what they are instructed to find out. Nothing more, nothing less.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 May 07 - 03:00 PM

And then there's the Baker/Hamilton Commission who made the report on Iraq, and whether they were right or not, the administration chose to ignore them.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Peace
Date: 05 May 07 - 05:25 PM

That is what happens when the Commission doesn't find what it is told to find.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: guitar
Date: 06 May 07 - 04:31 PM

I know exactly where i was when kennedy was shot, i wasn't born but two years later i was.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 May 07 - 10:24 PM

"...the DAllas Police initially say the murder weapon was a Mauser K-98 when later it was said (Proven if you believe the Warren Commission) to be A MAnnicher-Carcano?"


               A Mauser K-98 (properly equiped) would be a lot more believable, given the distance and the number of successful hits. So why would they change it?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 May 07 - 01:11 AM

I don't get the impression that they ever strained themselves one bit trying to be "believable"... ;-)

I mean, if you believe that one "magic" bullet could cause all those wounds in both Kennedy AND Connoly, hitting several bones, and not even getting noticeably damaged in the process....!

If you can discount the fact that a large majority of the eyewitnesses on that day both heard and SAW shooting from the "grassy knoll" area, and rushed up there to try to catch the shooters...

If you believe that an entrance wound from the rear can blow out the back of a man's head instead of making a small hole in it and blowing out the FRONT of his head instead...

If you believe Oswald could have done all that with just 3 shots in the available time, one of which missed...

Well, then, my friend, you are probably capable of believing ANYTHING.

Like I said, they never even strained themselves trying to be believable. They didn't give a shit. What do they care what the public thinks? They are untouchable.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 May 07 - 08:47 AM

LH--You're right about all of the things that were never explained. But it all leads to the obvious conclusion that members of the Warren Commission were involved in what ever was going on, and actively covering it up.
                Who benefited? And what was their motive?

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:39 AM

Ah! Indeed, that is the real question. Not "who done it"...not "how"...but "why"? There are a number of interesting theories about that. There appears to have been an intense hatred of both John and Robert Kennedy by a lot of very powerful people. Some of those people were in the government, some were in the CIA, some were in the US military and defence establishment, some were in private industry, some were in the Mafia, some were in Castro's Cuba, some were among the Cuban exiles in the USA.

There were so many possible motives and so many benefits to so many powerful people that it provides an absolute avalanche of persuasive theories as to who would have done it and why.

I wouldn't claim to know which one is right, but yes, I'd say that it definitely appears that the members of the Warren Commission were involved...not necessarily in planning the assassination, but definitely in making sure that false and misleading information was provided to the media and a coverup was accomplished.

This would have had to be an operation orchestrated at very high levels of the government in order to have the clout to persuade such people to keep their mouths shut. Many powerful people would have to have been involved.

If such events had occurred in Russia (to a Russian premier), instead of here on home ground, no one in America would have any doubt that a coup had been accomplished by a high level conspiracy in the government itself, and then covered up by official means. It would be obvious.

Kennedy was at war with the CIA, had fired their top people, and was preparing to completely demolish and destroy the CIA. I figure that was what signed his death warrant...but that's just my personal favorite among the theories. I can't say I know, I'm just making my best guess, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 May 07 - 01:22 PM

LH--I think you're close to the truth. I've JFK was really planning on shutting things down in Vietnam, imagine how many enemies that would bring out of the woodwork.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: GUEST,ur48rr
Date: 07 May 07 - 01:48 PM

The military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned about did the deed, using a hodgepodge of players and plausible motives, but the day Kennedy was killed was the day the complex seized control of America. No president since then has threatened the Federal Reserve, and no president has tried to rein in the CIA.

I blame Eisenhower for Kennedy's death and for the mess we're in today. Eisenhower was dying anyway, so instead of issuing a WARNING about the military-industrial complex (CIA), he should have pulled the plug on it and then AFTERWARDS said he'd done so. He should have laid out his reasons for doing it on live television, and Americans, horrified at learning about the deeds of the CIA, would have supported its dismantling 99%. Instead, Ike chose to live 9 more pathetic years, suffering more heart attacks, and he left behind a legacy of abandoning his oath to the constitution. JFK tried to set things right, and he died.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 May 07 - 02:15 PM

I grew up thinking the world of President Eisenhower, so I won't comment on that.

            But you're right. I've never felt like the American people had control of their own destiny since the assassination of JFK.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: M.Ted
Date: 07 May 07 - 05:03 PM

St. John is a longtime drug abuser, convicted drug dealer, and seems to be unable to keep a job. Drug abusers can clean themselves up, and convicted felons can straighten out, but the chronically unemployed are always looking for a way to make a quick buck.

Subject: RE: BS: E. Howard Hunt names JFK killer
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 May 07 - 05:44 PM

I don't trust Hunt or his son. Of course LBJ wanted power. All presidents do. I still think the Hartmann/Waldron book is the most credible source. It's the one that makes the most sense.

I visited Dealy Plaza and stood on the grassy knoll. I saw personally how it could have been easilly done but not from the book depository. Oswald was a patsy. Ruby (aka Rubenstein) was an underworld figure with connections to Carlos Marcello.

LBJ didn't kill Kennedy nor did Eisenhower. That's just silly. But the Carlos Marcello, (Texas) Johnny Roselli (Chicago) and Trafficante (Miami) crime family had every motive in the book to kill him. Bobby went after them and they "wanted to cut off the head of the snake". The crime syndicate tried to get JFK in Chicago and that was botched. They had a patsy set up there as well. Then they tried again in Miami. Another patsy was set up. They did it in Texas. Oswald was the patsy.

Lamar Waldron/Thom Hartmann, "Ultimate Sacrifice", a ten year study.

Frank Hamilton