Should the 15 British sailors be charged

Subject: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Ignoramus
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:03 AM

I think some of the 15 British sailors should be charged with cowardice in the face of the enemy.   They collapsed faster that an MFI chest of drawers when capture by the Iranians.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:09 AM

What's a "MFI chest of drawers"?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: curmudgeon
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:10 AM

This is BS on every level. Please move appropriately. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:12 AM

How on earth were they expected to resist? I thought that they were unarmed.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Midchuck
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:28 AM

It would make more sense for military personel who are at risk of being taken prisoner and put under duress, to be told to go ahead and confess to anything their captors want them to; and for the fact that they had been so ordered to be widely publicized.

Also, if we don't want other nations to use threats or torture to make out people confess to whatever, we could start by ceasing to do so ourselves.

Just a thought.

Peter

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:31 AM

Troll alert

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:48 AM

Art, I see no trollery, or do you not know about extraordinary rendition?
G

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:18 AM

Actually, not fighting back showed tremendous courage. I don't think the Americans could have done it.
So, my answer is, No.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: skipy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:20 AM

Go & boil you head you pratt!
Skipy

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:23 AM

Looking to start an argument here? Sorry, but no. Some of them were just children.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Bee
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:34 AM

Appropriately named guest, how refreshing!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: bubblyrat
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:58 AM

Of course they should NOT be charged !! They were the sad victims of the incompetence and ineptitude ,not to mention political cowardice, that is typical of any Labour ( Socialist, with strong Communist sympathies ) government , that our poor country has had to endure over the last 50 years.Why people continue to vote for these traitors, I have never understood. Perhaps now that the entire population of the world has seen what a toothless tiger our "armed " forces have collectively become, some country, somewhere , will be kind enough to launch a full-scale military invasion of Great Britain, so that what passes for a government MIGHT wake up and give our forces the weapons, equipment,manpower and support services, not to mention the skilled, daring, resourceful,and yes, courageous, leadership, that they so signally lack in these troubled and politically correct times. God Save The Queen !!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: skipy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:14 AM

DON'T THE TROLL!
I with you all the way Bubbly
Skipy

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: guitar
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:19 AM

No I do not think that they should charged because they were captured, so they SHOULDN'T BE CHARGED

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: guitar
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:21 AM

It takes courage not to fight and they were heroes and heroines to me.

So they are not Cowards at all, the real cowrads are the world learders and the members of their parties they are real cowards.

if you start a fight don't get someone else to do the dirty work.

Tom

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:27 AM

If they were following their ROE, ther is NO reason to charge them.

If not, it becomes the officers' determination- THEY might be brought before a military hearing to determine if they acted properly, but the enlisted are required to follow the officers' legal orders.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:49 AM

I've never heard such a ridiculous suggestion.

I'm with bubblyrat.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 11:20 AM

GUEST I am not at all surprised you chose the name Ignoramus...it certainly suits you!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 11:22 AM

I think someone is just bored today. The name chosen tells us that they don't actually believe it themselves.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Ignoramus
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:36 PM

MFI is the British equivalent of IKEA.

The sailors could have allowed themselves to be tortured just a little to spare their blushes. Look at the tortures James Bond (a Navy man himself) has had to endure for his country.

The navy is getting really wimpy now - the senoir citizens' service, more like. {translation for foreign readers: The Royal Navy is known as the "Senior Service"}.

Squaddies get the job done; the RAF would have swallowed cyanide capsules. The Jack Tars let the nation and Tony Blair down - especially his wife Cherry.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Amos
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:41 PM

You are a piece of work, Igno. Are you so in love with cataclysm and destruction that you would have everybody dive in and pursue it at any cost? Methinks that is a truly idiotic -- not to say psychopathic -- impulse. As there was no state of war declared between the two nations, would you have enjoyed seeing these 14 men and 1 woman start one up? How many deaths would like to see caused in your tumult of unreason?


A

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Nelson
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:43 PM

I object!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:45 PM

IKEA does a fairly good job of designing their easy to assemble furniture. Is MFI that different?

I assumed that the British marines were armed with something more powerful than "super soakers" but probably no match for the heavy machine guns that the Iranians were said to have mounter on their boats.

I really prefer the other thread on this topic. This one should be combined with it or deleted.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Ignoramus
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:54 PM

Nice one Amos!

£100,000 for the story of how they shamed themselves, their Navy and their country - that's psychotic!

Bring back the 'Cat'{Trans: Cat-o'-nine-tails; a whip used to punish miscreant sailors}. Keel-hauling's too good for them!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: curmudgeon
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:06 PM

This is the clearest case of trolling I've seen in a long time. Will some joeclone please put it out of our misery -- Tom

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Admiral Ballcoot
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:32 PM

Get this damn nonsense removed , all our service people are the bravest of the brave and do not crave a reward for keeping the world under our tender care, Iraq is peaceful and quiet now, thanks to our gallant forces.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: dianavan
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:38 PM

he said, she said.

I wanna see the scars and bruises.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Peace
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 02:41 PM

Proof positive that Guests should not have the right to start threads in the BS section.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 03:55 PM

"Look at the tortures James Bond (a Navy man himself) has had to endure for his country."

I presume this whole thread is some sort of leg-pull, but just in case it isn't, Iggy, James Bond is a fictional character. That means he's a figment of Ian Fleming's imagination.

Have you ever had your goolies worked over with a carpet-beater? Or just your head?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: skipy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:17 PM

Stop feeding him! he is sat at home laughing at ALL of us!
I will buy any of the 15 a beer or three anytime, they can even borrow my dresses! I am sure on the day that the chips are down & they will not rashly start the 3rd world war they will serve us well & fill body bags if they need to! NOW STOP FEEDING THE PRICK!
Skipy

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Ignoramus
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 06:57 PM

Tut, tut, Skip your kind words on behalf of our sailors gladdens my heart. You've shown me the error of my ways - I now retract all the things I said about our noble Quislings. PS. You say you're going to buy them all a drink - they're a lucky lot: free Iranian goody bags, £100,000 in readies and a drink from a pal. Well done! I admire your altruism. Keep up the good show!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: skipy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:01 PM

Sorry TROLL, not going to feed you,
Skipy

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Peace
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:23 PM

Classy, Skipy. Good one.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Nelson
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:38 PM

I agree!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:39 PM

Let's talk about flat pack furniture instead.   

IKEA is pretty good. MFI isn't - the range of stuff they have is very limited, overpriced, badly designed, hard to assemble, and they don't even have most of their stuff in stock. I suppose that was what the aptly named ignoramus meant by saying "MFI is the British equivalent of IKEA."

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 01:22 AM

IKEA is good if you have to set-up in a hurry but it doesn't hold up over time like real furniture.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 04:22 AM

I didn't realise MFI was still going - I might seek out my nearest one and go have a look.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 05:11 AM

I have seen nothing in any media to say what they were actually up to. Presumably some sort of sabotage mission. They had a lucky choice of captors not to get shot out of hand.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 08:21 AM

The essence of all decocracy is its ability to olerate the absurd. If democracy demands that differing voices, no matter how objectionable, be removed, Then we have lost the right to call it democracy and must define it by another name.
It is that call to expunge the offensive that often makes the views expressed here seem narrow and parochial. Be careful what ou wish for at the mudcat. To disallow disagreement is a an odious trait.
PS I expect this post to disappear.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 08:45 AM

"PS I expect this post to disappear."


It didn't tho', did it Guest, and that was because the language used was NOT offensive, and neither was the content.

Ignoramous, however, seems incapable of expressing his/her opinion without resorting to the use of highly offensive and emotive terms, which tends to
a) Lower the tone of the discussion to the verbal slanging match level (which one must suspect was the intention), and
b) Destroy any credibility which his/her opinion might otherwise have had.

Free speech, I believe relates to the content of the statement, but not to the abysmal choice of terminology.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:11 AM

Of course they should have sacrificed themselves. It would have made a fine spectacle of futile gallantry!

I suspect that a quick death may have been preferable to being used as a pawn in a propaganda war between two bunches of devious and ruthless bastards (or, in our case, devious, ruthless, indecisive and muddled bastards)!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Big Phil
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:45 AM

Our 15 did the UK no favours by their actions. The payment recieved should be given to some sea charity, lifeboats perhaps.....

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 09:50 AM

It did all go a bit sour with the selling of stories.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Ignoramus
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 12:10 PM

Hi, Don Firth!   "James Bond is a figment of Ian Fleming's imagination" - I should coco! Next you'll be telling me that WMD were a figment of Tony Blair's and his lovely wife Cherry's joint imaginations. Although ... Maybe Tone thought that the Iraqis had MFI - his hearing's not so good, you know. And this could make all the difference, don't you think?

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: GUEST,Ignoramus
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 07:42 AM

I started this thread as a bit of a lark. I thought people using this site were also having a lark. I can't believe that they are not. Skipy - get a life! You really are a bigot - I thought it was just a leg pull.
See ya!

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM

Jack Campin, you say you have seen nothing in the Media about what they were doing.
You can only have been deliberately avoiding it if you are Brit.
Is there really nothing in US media?
Here is some BBC stuff.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6502805.stm

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: skipy
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 06:42 PM

I started this thread as a bit of a lark!
Well you said it all there!
"A bit of a lark!" 15 of our brave, facing death or imprisonment, well thats a bit of a lark! yeh right.
Skipy - get a life! O/k, I spent 25 years in the military, so you pick the time & the place & we'll meet, last man standing reports back to mudcat!
Skipy

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 04:24 AM

I haven't been able to find their stories as printed in the Sun or the Daily Mirror. Is it true that Seaman Batchelor cried himself to sleep after the Iranians called him Mr. Bean? Apparently he also complained that they took his ipod. Is this a joke?

I'm glad that the worst they seemed to endure was solitary confinement. Much better than having holes drilled in your feet.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 05:10 AM

Some people really are pieces of work.

Subject: RE: Should the 15 British sailors be charged
From: guitar
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 05:32 AM

I have a friend and his father was a man called Wilie Bond and he had two sons and daugter the sons are George Bond and James bond.

So James bond lives in Saltcoats, just down the road from me and him and me went to school together, anyway what has this got to do with these saliors.