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bubblyrat 31 Oct 07 - 03:49 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: bubblyrat
Date: 31 Oct 07 - 03:49 PM

BRILLIANT !!------ I love it !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 04:47 PM

THE LORAX

By Dr. Seuss

At the far end of town
where the Grickle-grass grows
and the wind smells slow-and-sour when it blows
and no birds ever sing excepting old crows...
is the Street of the Lifted Lorax.

And deep in the Grickle-grass, some people say,
if you look deep enough you can still see, today,
where the Lorax once stood
just as long as it could
before somebody lifted the Lorax away.

What was the Lorax?
Any why was it there?
And why was it lifted and taken somewhere
from the far end of town where the Grickle-grass grows?
The old Once-ler still lives here.
Ask him. He knows.

You won't see the Once-ler.
Don't knock at his door.
He stays in his Lerkim on top of his store.
He stays in his Lerkim, cold under the roor,
where he makes his own clothes
out of miff-muffered moof.
And on special dank midnights in August,
he peeks out of the shutters
and sometimes he speaks
and tells how the Lorax was lifted away.
He'll tell you, perhaps...
if you're willing to pay.

On the end of a rope
he lets down a tin pail
and you have to toss in fifteen cents
and a nail
and the shell of a great-great-great-
grandfather snail.

Then he pulls up the pail,
makes a most careful count
to see if you've paid him
the proper amount.

Then he hides what you paid him
away in his Snuvv,
his secret strange hole
in his gruvvulous glove.
Then he grunts, I will call you by Whisper-ma-Phone,
for the secrets I tell you are for your ears alone.

SLUPP
Down slupps the Whisper-ma-Phone to your ear
and the old Once-ler's whispers are not very clear,
since they have to come down
through a snergelly hose,
and he sounds as if he had
smallish bees up his nose.
Now I'll tell you, he says, with his teeth sounding gray,
how the Lorax got lifted and taken away...
It all started way back...
such a long, long time back...

Way back in the days when the grass was still green
and the pond was still wet
and the clouds were still clean,
and the song of the Swomee-Swans rang out in space...
one morning, I came to this glorious place.
And I first saw the trees!
The Truffula Trees!
The bright-colored tufts of the Truffula Trees!
Mile after mile in the fresh morning breeze.

And under the trees, I saw Brown Bar-ba-loots
frisking about in their Bar-ba-loot suits
as the played in the shade and ate Truffula Fruits.

From the rippulous pond
came the comfortable sound
of the Humming-Fish humming
while splashing around.

But those trees! Those trees!
Those Truffula Trees!
All my life I'd been searching
for trees such as these.
The touch of their tufts
was much softer than silk.
And they had the sweet smell
of fresh butterfly milk.

I felt a great leaping
of joy in my heart.
I knew just what I'd do!
I unloaded my cart.

In no time at all, I had built a small shop.
Then I chopped down a Truffula Tree with one chop.
And with great skillful skill and with great speedy speed,
I took the soft tuft. And I knitted a Thneed!

The instand I'd finished, I heard a ga-Zump!
I looked.
I saw something pop out of the stump
of the tree I'd chopped down. It was sort of a man.
Describe him?...That's hard. I don't know if I can.

He was shortish. And oldish.
And brownish. And mossy.
And he spoke with a voice
that was sharpish and bossy.

Mister! he said with a sawdusty sneeze,
I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees.
I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues.
And I'm asking you, sir, at the top of my lungs--
he was very upset as he shouted and puffed--
What's that THING you've made out of my Truffula tuft?

Look, Lorax, I said. There's no cause for alarm.
I chopped just one tree. I am doing no harm.
I'm being quite useful. This thing is a Thneed.
A Thneed's a Fine-Something-That-All-People-Need!
It«s a shirt. It's a sock. It's a glove. It's a hat.
But it has other uses. Yes, far beyond that.
You can use it for carpets. For pillows! For sheets!
Or curtains! Or covers for bicycle seats!
The Lorax said,
Sir! You are crazy with greed.
There is no one on earth
who would buy that fool Thneed!

But the very next minute I proved he was wrong.
For, just at that minute, a chap came along,
and he thought that the Thneed I had knitted was great.
He happily bought it for three ninety-eight.
I laughed at the Lorax, You poor stupid guy!
You never can tell what some people will buy.

I repeat, cried the Lorax,
I speak for the trees!

I'm busy, I told him.
Shut up, if you please.
I rushed 'cross the room, and in no time at all,
built a radio-phone. I put in a quick call.
I called all my brothers and uncles and aunts
and I said, Listen here! Here's a wonderful chance
for the whole Once-ler Family to get mighty rich!
Get over here fast! Take the road to North Nitch.
Turn left at Weehawken. Sharp right at South Stich.

And, in no time at all,
in the factory I built,
the whole Once-ler Family
was working full tilt.
We were all knitting Thneeds
just as busy as bees,
to the sound of the chopping
of Truffula Trees.

Then...
Oh! Baby! Oh!
How my business did grow!
Now, chopping one tree
at a time was too slow.

So I quickly invented my Super-Axe-Hacker
which whacked off four Truffula Trees at one smacker.
We were making Thneeds
four times as fast as before!
And that Lorax?... He didn't show up any more.

But the next week
he knocked on my new office door.
He snapped, I'm the Lorax who speaks for the trees
which you seem to be chopping as fast as you please.
But I'm also in charge of the Brown Bar-ba-loots
who played in the shade in their Bar-ba-loot suits
and happily lived, eating Truffula Fruits.
NOW...thanks to your hacking my trees to the ground,
there's not enough Truffula Fruit to go 'round.
And my poor Bar-ba-loots are all getting the crummies
because they have gas, and no food, in their tummies!

They loved living here. But I can't let them stay.
They'll have to find food. And I hope that they may.
Good luck, boys, he cried. And he sent them away.

I, the Once-ler, felt sad
as I watched them all go.
BUT...
business is business!
And business must grow
regardless of crummies in tummies, you know.

I meant no harm. I most truly did not.
But I had to grow bigger. So bigger I got.
I biggered my factory. I biggered my roads.
I biggered my wagons. I biggered the loads
of the Thneeds I shipped out. I was shipping them forth
to the South! To the East! To the West! To the North!
I went right on biggering...selling more Thneeds.
And I biggered my money, which everyone needs.

Then again he came back! I was fixing some pipes
when that old nuisance Lorax came back with more gripes.
I am the Lorax, he coughed and he whiffed.
He sneezed and he snuffled. He snarggled. He sniffed.
Once-ler! he cried with a cruffulous croak.
Once-ler! You're making such smogulous smoke!
My poor Swomee-Swans...why, they can't sing a note!
No one can sing who has smog in his throat.

And so, said the Lorax,
--please pardon my cough--
they cannot live here.
So I'm sending them off.

Where will they go?...
I don't hopefully know.
They may have to fly for a month...or a year...
To escape from the smog you've smogged-up around here.

What's more, snapped the Lorax. (His dander was up.)
Let me say a few words about Gluppity-Glupp.
Your machinery chugs on, day and night without stop
making Gluppity-Glup. Also Schloppity-Schlopp.
And what do you do with this leftover goo?...
I'll show you. You dirty old Once-ler man, you!

You're glumping the pond where the Humming-Fish hummed!
No more can they hum, for their gills are all gummed.
So I'm sending them off. Oh, their future is dreary.
They'll walk on their fins and get woefully weary
in search of some water that isn't so smeary.

And then I got mad.
I got terribly mad.
I yelled at the Lorax, Now listen here, Dad!
All you do is yap-yap and say, Bad! Bad! Bad! Bad!
Well, I have my rights, sir, and I'm telling you
I intend to go on doing just what I do!
And, for your information, you Lorax, I'm figgering
on biggering
and Biggering
and BIGGERING
and BIGGERING!!
turning MORE Truffula Trees into Thneeds
which everyone, EVERYONE, EVERYONE needs!

And at that very moment, we heard a loud whack!
From outside in the fields came a sickening smack
of an axe on a tree. Then we heard the tree fall.
The very last Truffula Tree of them all!

No more trees. No more Thneeds. No more work to be done.
So, in no time, my uncles and aunts, every one,
all waved my good-bye. They jumped into my cars
and drove away under the smoke-smuggered stars.

Now all that was left 'neath the bad-smelling sky
was my big empty factory...
the Lorax...
and I.

The Lorax said nothing. Just gave me a glance...
just gave me a very sad, sad backward glance...
as he lifted himself by the seat of his pants.
And I'll never forget the grim look on his face
when he hoisted himself and took leave of this place,
through a hole in the smog, without leaving a trace.

And all that the Lorax left here in this mess
was a small pile of rocks, with one word...
UNLESS.
Whatever that meant, well, I just couldn't guess.

That was long, long ago.
But each day since that day
I've sat here and worried
and worried away.
Through the years, while my buildings
have fallen apart,
I've worried about it
with all of my heart.

But now, says the Once-ler,
Now that you're here,
the word of the Lorax seems perfectly clear.
UNLESS someone like you
cares a whole awful lot,
nothing is going to get better.
It's not.

SO...
Catch! calls the Once-ler.
He lets something fall.
It's a Truffula Seed.
It's the last one of all!
You're in charge of the last of the Truffula Seeds.
And Truffula Trees are what everyone needs.
Plant a new Truffula. Treat it with care.
Give it clean water. And feed it fresh air.
Grow a forest. Protect it from axes that hack.
Then the Lorax
and all of his friends
may come back.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 04:42 PM

It's scary how true Soylent Green has become.

Many of us here will be like Edward G. Robinson's character in the movie--old, wizened, pathetic--trying to tell everyone how beautiful the earth once was. Some of us here may be telling our grandchildren that we can remember when the polar icecaps existed, when polar bears and penguins still walked the earth, when honeybees made things grow, when frogs croaked on the ponds that were not choked over with algae scum, when Georgia wasn't a desert, when New York and LA weren't submerged, when huge forests blanketed whole areas of the country.

God, I swear it's turning into Soylent Green.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: saulgoldie
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 01:47 PM

We know you have your ways, Mother. I am sorry that my son will see some of the worst of it, before it gets even worser. I wish we had taken better care of your gifts.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,Mother Nature
Date: 30 Oct 07 - 12:57 PM

we need to see a reduction in the human population of the world....I'm working on it, but antibiotics and peacekeeping has been a real bitch to deal with....


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 09:26 PM

So what are we going to do?

What can be done?


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 04:02 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071028/ap_on_sc/coal_resurgence_5


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 29 Oct 07 - 03:23 PM

I think it's fair to say that the biosphere is dying. Polar bears are not increasing from what I hear. They are drowning. There's a piece on MSN today about the dramatic decline of the African penguin. One island which counted 70,000 at one time now has 5000. A combination of competition for food with humans (trawlers), oil pollution and global warming is killing them off.

Honeybees are dying off and we won't have many fruits or vegetables without them. I used to get big red rose blossoms in my backyard every summer. This past summer, there was not a single one--none.

Frogs and toads are dying off. A coworker lives by a marsh and he said he used to go out in the summertime and see turtles and garter snakes all over the place. He said he didn't see a one this past summer but the pond scum is much thicker than he's ever seen it. He saw a few frogs but their numbers have been way down for years.

I was out in the boonies Saturday and saw a single dying honeybee and it struck me just how long it has been since I've seen one in person. Years. Over a decade.

Forest fires are increasing and are far, far more devastating due to a dry season now extended by about 78 days from normal which turns the forest floor into a tinderbox--something that never used to happen. A 60 Minutes report said that a huge forest fire 30 years ago was 500,000 acres but the ones we had out west last year and this year took 8 million acres each. None of it will grow back in our lifetimes.

We all know about the dying barrier reef, I trust. And the arctic and antarctic regions are melting even faster than we predicted. The salinity levels of the ocean are what regulates the planet's temperatures and even a 1% dilution is serious. Already the currents are changing and the storms are getting worse. The drought in the Piedmont region has never been seen before and I'm afraid it's because the desert of the Southwest is expanding eastward.

The ocean levels are rising and will inundate large coastal areas resulting in unimaginable property losses and hundreds of millions in China alone will have to move inland. Where are we to put them? Yet our population is expanding but there is less land to live on. This will result in increased devastation of natural habitats and an increase in diseases. This is exacerbated by our foolish use of antibacterial soaps, antibiotics and what not that have already produced germs that cannot be killed by standard means. Now we have people dying of staph and super forms or polio and TB making a comeback.

Destroying over half the world's rainforests which supply the planet with 1/5 of its oxygen is not helping and it is inconceivable that it is not adversely impacting the environment.

We're in trouble. The earth looks to be preparing for a mass die-off of life. The biosphere is withering. I swear you can feel it withering around you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Gurney
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 09:52 PM

Just thought you'd like to know, There is a water dock in New Zealand's South Island where water tankers can fill up with H2O, piped from mountain streams. I understand the biggest user is Hawaii.

Maybe a bit too far for most of you, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 07:57 PM

Nottingham, New Hampshire (where Curmudgeon and I live) residents and those of surrounding towns have been fighting USASprings (neither US owned, nor having anything to do with a spring) for the past 6 or 7 years.

The Town of Nottingham issued USA Springs, Inc. a full building permit July 26, 2007 despite the fact that four appeals with various state agencies are currently outstanding (including one filed with Dept. of Environmental Services Water Council by Nottingham!). The town received a fee of $112,500 for the issuance of the permit.

Save Our Groundwater formed in 2001 in response to a large groundwater withdrawal application from a bottled water company called USA Springs, Inc. In 2001, the company had applied for a permit to take more than 400,000 gallons/day of water from an aquifer underlying an approximately 100-acre site located along U.S. Route 4 in the southern New Hampshire rural municipalities of Nottingham and Barrington.

USA Springs, Inc. has two affiliates, the Garrison Place Real Estate Investment Trust (which owns the company's site) and the Just Cause Realty Trust (which owns the western adjacent site). In its application and public hearings, the company stated that it intends to export the bottled the water.

New Hampshire has a Large Groundwater Protection Act, RSA 485-C which governs all groundwater withdrawals more than 57, 600 gallons/day.

Since 2001 Save Our Groundwater members have consistently asked:

--Who "owns" a community's water supply? If water is held in the public trust, what does that mean?

--What happens to the health of communities and ecosystems that depend on groundwater supplies when the water is pumped out and taken away from the watershed?

--Does a private company have the right to profit from removing a community's water supply?

--What happens to the property values of residences and businesses located with the state-defined "zone of influence" potentially impacted by large groundwater withdrawals?

--Is a state conditional groundwater withdrawal permit that provides responses for specified worst case scenarios adequate protection for the essential water needs of communities and ecosystems when compared with a precautionary approach of "first do no harm" until the science is better understood?

--When bottled water is sold to other countries [none of USA Springs water will be sold locally or in the United States], do international trade agreements apply? If they do, what are the impacts of these agreements on the state's ability to enforce a permit?

As far as I'm concerned, USA Springs is stealing our water for their own profit. My quality of life will be immediately impacted.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: bubblyrat
Date: 28 Oct 07 - 12:41 PM

I do not believe that Israel uses water supply as a "weapon" against Palestine.Polar Bears are fine, but DON"T eat their livers. There is a veritable surfeit of water in England,this last July having been so wet as to threaten the annual Henley Royal Regatta. I have absolutely no objection to people from America coming over here next year and taking some of the surplus away with them, if there is a repetition.I love you all, except golf-course builders and your potty President. (PS --River Thames water is rich in alluvium, and highly suitable for the construction of golf-courses.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 09:44 PM

'"Do we really need golf courses?"'

          Has anybody been to Phoenix lately. Every spare drop of water for miles in every direction is used to water golf courses. It's painful to see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: folk1e
Date: 27 Oct 07 - 12:31 PM

Is it only me that notes that whilst Israil uses water supply as a weppon against Pallastine nobody seems to care much?
Now the free usage of water in the USA may be affected (by themselves) we are urged to go about unwashed and forgo our "Bacon Butty" of a morning in order to save our planet!
Water will NEVER run out ..... peoples access to it may!


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 04:15 PM

saulgoldie asks:
"Do we really need golf courses?"
I have often wondered how much irrigation water has been wasted on desert golf courses in the arid regions of the USA. When the supply depletes will they be sacrificed to grow crops? Seems more and more are being built though.......................


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 26 Oct 07 - 01:26 PM

I posted this in 'News of Note' a few days ago. Seems relavent here.

Mayor Begs Residents To Conserve Water



ATLANTA -- The commissioner of Atlanta's Department of Watershed Management made a plea for conservation today because of the severe drought that has forced restrictions on 61 counties in north Georgia.

Robert J. Hunter called it a drought "of historic magnitude." He said everyone must come together to protect and conserve limited water resources.

The storage for Atlanta's water supply is Lake Lanier, located north of the city. Hunter said it provides water for one-third of the residents of Georgia.

He said that now there is enough water in Lanier to serve the area for 121 days.

Hunter joined Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin at a news conference at City Hall to urge citizens in Atlanta and the surrounding area to do everything possible to conserve water.
The 61 counties were placed under Drought Restriction Level Four on September 28 by the director of the Georgia Environmental Protection Division, which essentially is a ban on all outdoor watering. Hunter said a level four is called "exceptional, which is beyond extreme."

Both Hunter and Franklin strongly endorsed better use of water in the home, such as having a plumber check for leaks. Franklin said the city is steadily making improvements on an outdated city water system, averaging about 700 repaired leaks a month.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 11:10 PM

Yep, Barry...I think I have read that plants are in use on the Persian Gulf. One or two near Los Angeles would sure help when the Spring melt in the Sierras decreases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,Barry
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 07:54 PM

We are way behind on that Bill. The United Arab Emirates I belive operate a couple along their coasts & they do a lot less in the way of poulting their sources too.

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 05:34 PM

Deos no one realize that our ancestors for hundreds of thousands of years were omnivores? We evolved to eat meat, at least part of the time. To use less water & other resources, we need fewer people.



And we need to seriously think about desalinization plants near the shoreline.....and capturing some of the melting glaciers & icecaps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 05:24 PM

Does no-one realise that most of the Earths' surface is water? Does no-one actualy know that water does not get 'lost' but just changes state? Does no-one believe that it is not rocket science to recover the water from whatever state it is in to become what it should be?

Oil will run out. Coal nearly has. Food may be scarce. But let water run out? Only idiots could do that. Oh, hang on, I just remembered what politicians actualy are...

:D


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: saulgoldie
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:26 AM

Do we really need our clothes washed with so much water (Rinso white?)? Do we really need ornamental lawns? Do we really need golf courses? When we shower, can't we get by with less water? As with petroleum products (not limited to just gasoline, BTW) once we start paying the REAL price, we will find ways to economize. I hope it isn't too late.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Janie
Date: 25 Oct 07 - 12:19 AM

I think, (but do not know) that water 'rights' battles between government entities are relatively rare in the Southeast USA. But we have been experiencing record breaking drought throughout the region. Alabama and Georgia are now fighting legal battles with one another, as is North Carolina and South Carolina.

Time to ask ourselves, "Do I really need a shower this morning?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 11:23 PM

No worries. The truth is always relevant.
(veg. for 25 years)


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 24 Oct 07 - 09:06 PM

Another article...

article

Did I already post about how much water goes into producing the animals we eat (but don't really need to)?

Not to hijack my own thread, but...Eating meat--is even more destructive to the environment than driving cars:

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0120-20.htm

Well it IS sort of related.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 10:20 AM

LOL - I thought you'd said "fat content %" and felt rather flattered for a moment. Have a good weekend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 10:00 AM

Ah, what an honor, George. Thank you.

(BTW, I ran your song through a computer for analysis and the result came back "fact content: 0%". That's OK though, it is intended to be art.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 02:46 AM

Well, I did promise, and don't like to welch, so here goes. It's only a silly rant, not a treatise, but I like the chorus:

Another Monday morning, and the news is not so grand
The world is turning upside down, it's hard to understand
In January the daffs are out, in May the corn is ripe
And politicians arguing whether it's fact or hype.

There's polar bears are drowning and lakes are going dry
The Yellow river long ago has kissed the fish good bye
And as I'm walking to my work, perturbed to some degree
You drive by in your monster truck and fart upwind of me.
You fart upwind of me
You fart upwind of me
You drive by in your monster truck and fart upwind of me.

I do not doubt your right to own a car and drive about
I'll demonstrate next to you and shout the slogans out, (for)
Despite what they say about the ozone and the soot,
The thing about pollution is, the sunsets are a beaut.

But you'll have your petrol guzzler, and wash it twice a day
Your strawberries are fresh from Spain, picked only yesterday
You moan about the lack of slopes with snow that's fit to ski
Block out the news, drink your champaign and fart upwind of me
You fart upwind of me
You fart upwind of me
Block out the news, drink your champaign and fart upwind of me

Yet somewhere now there is kid, just playing in the yard
She wants a better life and she 'll study very hard
Her name is not important for we know that very soon
She'll be one more statistic in the worsening monsoon

And all you politicians, it took you time to note (that)
The world around is changing fast and could affect your vote
I send you to a conference new measures to agree
You wine and dine and talk a lot, and fart upwind of me.
You fart upwind of me
You fart upwind of me
You wine and dine and talk a lot, and fart upwind of me.

From George to pdq with love
April 2007


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: 3refs
Date: 12 Apr 07 - 07:07 AM

If all the earth's water were stored in a 5-litre container, available fresh water would not quite fill a teaspoon.

Brazil, Russia and Canada will(if not already) be the leading "Water Producing" nations of the world(the real liquid gold).

I can see it now! As with the prices of gas, water prices will go up on week-ends because of the beer consumption. That means beer prices are also going to soar.

Does that mean that American beer will be more desired than Canadian beer because it has a higher water content?


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 10:07 PM

Good lord, pdq. Judge the rest of the sentence in relation to "I have a feeling'. You're being disingenous to the extreme.

Mrrzy, if we use(d) the ocean to solve our water problems, wouldn't that impact the level of salinity in the oceans? Which brings a whole 'nother set of problems.

As for having enough water for everyone- the problem is and will be that one (huge) area will be dying for lack of water and another (huge) area will be drowning in it. Kind of like making stew of equal parts of rabbit and horse. One horse, one rabbit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:56 PM

Interesting point about the water vapor in the atmosphere. I suspect it is quite small in relation to the volume of water is our oceans.

As far as irrigating the deserts, why should we. Every part of Earth is ecologically distinct and deserves to be preserved as much as possible. What we need is a constant population so that the delivery systems of food, water and health care can be planned. Right now we are in a near panic mode trying to compensate for the Third World's irresponsible competition to see which group (Moslems, Catholics and Blacks) can produce the most kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,P. T. Barnum
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:44 PM

We just exited a mini-ice age. Now the sun is flaring at record levels. Frozen moons are thawing all through the solar system. And it's all on accounta humans.

Meanwhile, we have insane Illuminatists on the point of TAXING YOU TO BREATHE. Look at this, scheduled for this summer. Gonna whip those ignorant kids into a frenzy on 7-7-7. The Illuminati loves the # 7 and the # 11. And I thought Al Gore was just a fat old puppet.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/global_warming_bandwagon_reach_fever_pitch_7_7_7.htm

3/4 of the planet covered in water (just on the surface), and now they're telling you there's no water. Man o man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:39 PM

Besides, isn't the amount of water kind of a constant? If there is less in the sea, then there is more in the atmosphere? The issue, as with all resources, is one of distribution... there is enough food for all, but only some have access to it. With technology we could irrigate the Sahara - if we could only work together. Not to mention that using more water for irrigation of where there isn't any would also solve the issue of rising sea levels.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:33 PM

Ebbie,

You say "I have a feeling..." which is precisely the problem. Feelings don't trump facts no matter how much you would like them to. People who think with their feelings are worthless in science. Glad you stuck to Home Economics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:22 PM

I have a feeling that actual scientists would take distinct exception to your statement, pdq. That doesn't necessarily mean that I can't believe that you are a biologist but it does imply that there are fringe people in every discipline.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:18 PM

The politicization of science means that everything you read is either opinion or propaganda.

...this decline represents more then a quarter of the species' populations.

A loss of one or two individuals in five (of the 19 or 20) separate polar bear populations would make the statement technically true, but deceptive. The population increase since 1973 is huge, 6,000 have grown to 22,000 in the most conservative estimate. I say thank you to the game management people who made that possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:57 PM

WWF: 16 Dec 2006
The number of polar bear populations in decline has increased from one in 2001 to five in 2006, WWF warned today. There are only 19 polar bear populations in the world, so this decline represents more then a quarter of the species' populations.

Declining populations of polar bears indicate that the entire Arctic is under immense stress as a result of climate change. With the Arctic warming at more than twice the rate of the rest of the world, and sea ice over the Arctic projected to disappear in summer before the end of this century, polar bears face serious trouble, especially as they depend on sea ice to live, hunt and breed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:51 PM

Sad but true, ain't it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:46 PM

"pre-politization". Hmmmmm. Ya just can't trust anyone any more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:13 PM

Thank you, Art. That fits perfectly with the older (pre-politization) statement by WWF that there are 20 distinct polar bear populations and ony two of them are decreasing. Overall, there has been a steady population increase since the ESA of 1973 was passed which included a hunting ban and habitat protections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 08:02 PM

The polar bear population overall has increased since their hunting (other than by the native Inuit people) was banned in 1973. A study of the polar bear population in the Western Hudson Bay region shows that it has decreased by about 22% since the early 1980s; this correlates to an earlier ice break-up on Hudson Bay over that period of time. Two separate facts, unrelated to each other. According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, "in the declining polar bear population of Canada's Western Hudson Bay, extensive scientific studies have indicated that the increased observation of bears on land is a result of changing distribution patterns and a result of changes in the accessibility of sea ice habitat."


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:56 PM

A few years ago the WWF site would have bragged about their successes in helping endangered species. They also would have asked for financial help to 'keep up the good work'.

Evidently, they have been politicized. Belief in Global Warming is now required to get government grants. Waving the flag for GW seems to scare people into sending more money that they were getting by explaining things scientifically. Remember, the top Environmental organizations get their ranking by 'how much money they take in' - nothing to do with 'how much good work they do'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:39 PM

Perhaps a biologist is as a biologist does. Why does your assessment vary so dramatically from the official word? And please address the discrepancy between what you said was the WWF's position and what I quoted them as saying in actuality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:22 PM

I am a biologist and I know some of the people who worked very hard for years to make those comebacks possible.

Ebbie, if you really believe that a five fold increase in the polar bear population in the hast 35 years constitutes a decrease, you need to unlearn New Math.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:15 PM

I gather that you are not a scientist, pdq. You seem to think that these success stories just kind of happened by themselves, rather than being the result of intensive thought and effort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 07:02 PM

For years we have heard stories about the success that resulted from banning DDT, passing the Endangered Species Act of 1973 and several hunting bans. The bald eagle, the whooping crane and the polar bear was each making a spectacular comeback we were told. Now that it is necessary to change the story and support the Global Warming, we are told that the polar bear population is decreasing. Actually, their population is near 25,000, up from about 5,000 when the ESA passed. Whooping cranes up from 59 to 219. Bald eagles up from The approximately 32 pairs in the 1960s to 435 pairs in 2003.

Is anyone sick of the constant 'doom and gloom' for political purposes? I am.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 06:55 PM

But, pdq, you can't have both sides of the argument. Either the polar bear is not threatened (and the administration was wrong to recommend its inclusion under the ESA), or it is indeed threatened (and the administration was correct with its recommendation). Make your mind up, please.

And meanwhile all I had stated was that the administration took its time with this decision, which is not indicative of great concern - a point that you have not refuted. It is not the specific issue of the polar bears that I was discussing, but the tardiness of action on behalf of the administration, in matters related to global warming.

That tardiness, given the size of the USA and its position in the global economy, impacts the whole world; and the world has every right to be getting impatient therefore.

Furthermore, this is not a party political issue; it took a lot longer than GWB's and Clinton's terms in office to bring us to where we are. If there is personal blame, let them both share it - do you think the world cares? This goes beyond party lines, and my guess is, so would any likely solution.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 06:28 PM

A quick look and it appears to me that the WWF doesn't sound as sanguine as all that, pdq. I googled 'wwf + polar bears' and this came up:

"As the world's largest terrestrial carnivore, the polar bear is the king of the great white north. It might come as a surprise then that this majestic species faces an uncertain future: Climate change is causing the disappearance of sea ice from which polar bears hunt their prey. Research funded by WWF found that with less time on the ice to hunt for food and store it leaves polar bears hungry and hinders reproduction. If current climate trends continue unabated, polar bears could become extinct by the end of this century. WWF is engaged on the ground and in the policy arena to address the causes of climate change and reduce its impact on wildlife and the world's wild places. Learn more about Polar Bears"


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:50 PM

...from the article I posted:

According to the WWF, there are approximately 22,000 polar bears in about 20 distinct populations worldwide. Only two bear populations--accounting for about 16.4 percent of the total number of bears--are decreasing"

World Wildlife Fund is more objective than some Environmental groups. I give money to them and Nature Conservancy only.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: GUEST,282ra
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:46 PM

Yeah, artbrooks, think just like pdq or you're not an independent thinker.


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:43 PM

Just for information, and implying no bias of any kind:

The National Center for Policy Analysis, of course, is the organization that says Franklin Roosevelt was a "collectivist" and has taken the lead in redefining the word "liberal" to encompass every possible opinion, belief and policy that they find objectionable. Its stated goal is "to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes, Social Security, welfare, criminal justice, education and environmental regulation."

The Heartland Institute, which produces Environment News gives its mission as "to discover and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems. Such solutions include parental choice in education, choice and personal responsibility in health care, market-based approaches to environmental protection, privatization of public services, and deregulation in areas where property rights and markets do a better job than government."


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Subject: RE: BS: Water will run out
From: pdq
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 05:15 PM

ESA Listing Not Needed for Polar Bears


Written By: H. Sterling Burnett
Published In: Environment News
Publication Date: March 1, 2007

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Despite healthy polar bear populations upwards of 20,000 bears worldwide, U.S. Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne announced on December 27 the Bush administration's plan to list the polar bear as threatened under the Endangered Species Act.

Kempthorne's announcement began a 12-month period of public comment and scientific review.


Global Warming Blamed

While acknowledging polar bear populations are not currently in decline, Kempthorne stated in a news release, "we are concerned that the polar bears' habitat may literally be melting." If the bear is listed as threatened, it will be the first time a species was placed on the Endangered Species list based on the threat of global warming.

Greenpeace and the Natural Resources Defense Council had previously sued the Bush administration, attempting to force it to list the species at threatened.

Environmental activist groups have offered anecdotal evidence that four polar bears drowned while swimming in Alaska's Beaufort Sea, and that three polar bears attacked and ate other polar bears, allegedly due to hunger.

In addition, environmentalists contend human activities are causing global warming and that such warming will melt most of the ice at the North Pole within 50 years. If that happens, they argue, polar bears will be unable to hunt seals, their preferred prey, without the polar ice.


Populations Are Growing

Environmental activists have presented only one academic study that shows any negative effect of warming temperatures on polar bears. That study examined only one population of polar bears, in Canada's Western Hudson Bay, and linked the early breakup of ice in the bay to a 21 percent decline in the polar bear population.

Other, more comprehensive research suggests the plight of that one population does not reflect the polar bear population trend as a whole.

Since the 1970s, while much of the world was warming, polar bear numbers increased dramatically, from roughly 5,000 to 25,000 bears, a higher polar bear population than has existed at any time in the twentieth century. Scientists believe polar bears thrived in the past in temperatures even warmer than at present--during the medieval warm period 1,000 years ago and during the Holocene Climate Optimum between 5,000 and 9,000 years ago.


Thrive During Warm Times

Polar bears have thrived during warmer climates because they are omnivores, like their cousins the brown and black bears. Though polar bears eat seals more than any other food source, research shows they have a varied diet. When other foods are available--including fish, kelp, caribou, ducks, sea birds, musk ox, and walrus carcasses--they take advantage of it.

Dr. Mitchell Taylor, a biologist with Nunavut Territorial government in Canada, pointed out in testimony to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service that modest warming may be beneficial to bears since it creates better habitat for seals and would dramatically increase growth of blueberries, upon which bears gorge themselves when available.

Taylor explained Alaska's polar bear population is stable and recent research shows the polar bear population in Canada alone has increased 25 percent from 12,000 to 15,000 during the past decade, with 11 of Canada's 13 polar bear populations stable or increasing in number. Where polar bear weight and numbers are declining, Taylor thinks the cause is too many bears competing for food, not Arctic warming.

Climate scientist David Legates said shrinking Arctic sea ice may be a temporary, local phenomenon not linked to global warming, especially as the polar ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are not in decline.

"Russian coastal-station records of both the extent of sea ice and the thickness of fast ice (ice fixed to the shoreline or seafloor) extending back 125 years show significant variability over 60- to 80-year periods," said Legates.


Enviro Group Refutes Alarmism

The World Wildlife Fund (WWF) has written on the threats allegedly posed to polar bears from global warming. According to the WWF, there are approximately 22,000 polar bears in about 20 distinct populations worldwide. Only two bear populations--accounting for about 16.4 percent of the total number of bears--are decreasing, and they are in areas where air temperatures have actually fallen, such as the Baffin Bay region.

By contrast, another two populations--about 13.6 percent of the total number--are growing, and they live in areas where air temperatures have risen, near the Bering Strait and the Chukchi Sea.

As for the rest, 10 populations representing about 45.4 percent of the total number of bears are stable, and the status of the remaining six populations is unknown.


Ulterior Motives

Many analysts see the proposal to list the polar bear as threatened as not so much about the welfare of the bears themselves but as an effort to force the Bush administration to adopt regulations to limit greenhouse gas emissions.

Steven Milloy, publisher of JunkScience.com and an adjunct scholar with the National Center for Policy Analysis, said the media attention at the Kempthorne news conference did not revolve around whether the bears were actually at risk, but rather whether the announcement meant "the Bush administration was caving on global warming."

Milloy noted, "If the administration admits that the bear is dying due to climate change, it may be forced to start energy rationing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in order to comply with the Endangered Species Act. This is what the environmentalists filing the lawsuit had in mind all along."
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H. Sterling Burnett (sterling.burnett@ncpa.org) is a senior fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis.


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