BS: Polish Workforce in Britain

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:17 PM

No, none of them lively. Don't bother trying again.

Ta.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:11 PM

"Income and class are not the same thing."

Too bloody right they're not. I worked for two "barrow boys" masquerading as sales directors selling Ricoh office machines, both driving porsches - both serious working class oiks.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:47 PM

Income and class are not the same thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,livelylass
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 04:26 PM

"my Dad. 90 next year. Fled Poland to escape the comunist Russia. Didn't stop him, or me for that matter, being a lifelong working class and active Trade Unionist."

Good for him, and for you too Dave. Though I gather from your post that your father was a refugee fleeing an oppressive regime rather than an economic migrant taking advantage of better employment opportunities abroad. As such, are you are making some link between his particular flight from tyranny and recent mass economic immigration? Or just using the example of the failed Russian Communist state to belittle my (admittedly somewhat tongue in cheek) attempt at advocacy for seeing some (as opposed to none) political interest in the welfare and interests of the working-classes of this country?

This is a difficult forum to express the kinds of opinions I have expressed, and not because I am a Daily Mail reader, but because I recognise from personal interaction, a deep disconnect between the middle-income & middle-class liberal left and the low-income working class who having been entirely abandoned by New Labour are increasingly responding to the seductions of the far right.

Now, we can either shout at these people and call them "Racists" or we can actually take their problems seriously. You might not be one of them, but I suspect that most members of this forum would be inclined to do the former, maybe even after a good quality whiskey or three (no ice).

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 06:22 AM

I am still confused Bonzo. What does that have to do with anything. Or are we just throwing in random ideas?

Maybe it is the unicycles!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:42 AM

It matters because of the hangups people have here about being middle class!!

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 11 - 05:30 AM

You are forgetting that a good proportion of the immigrant population from Eastern Europe are middle class professional people

Huh?

1. Who is?

2. Anything to back that up? and

3. Even if it was so - What does it matter?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 05:46 PM

You are forgetting that a good proportion of the immigrant population from Eastern Europe are middle class professional people - or you pretend to ignore it!

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jul 11 - 09:46 AM

"What are you proposing is done?"

Umm, Communism?


Well, good luck then. I am sure you will make it run far better than everyone that has gone before you.

BTW - You know the lazy, scrounging Polish chap that I mentioned before? The one who has not worked for years and gets everything paid for? Well, he's my Dad. 90 next year. Fled Poland to escape the comunist Russia. Didn't stop him, or me for that matter, being a lifelong working class and active Trade Unionist.

I'll look out for you on the campaign trail rather than pontificating on a meanigless discussion group shall I?

Cheers

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,livelylass
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 01:32 PM

"that bunker"

Ahh, that bunker..
Well, contentious it no doubt is, that's as much as I'll be adding to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 12:49 PM

Incidentally, there appear to be turds with telescopes watching from the bunker. Yes, that bunker.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,livelylass
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 12:47 PM

"What are you proposing is done?"

Umm, Communism?

Or at least the introduction of some political system where a) the welfare and interests of the working-classes are not completely politically unrepresented b) when the working-classes are not also simultaneously scapegoated as feckless benefit scroungers.

So long as the Capitalist principles of greed and profit continue to run the show, I can't imagine that ever happening because economic migration is good for business. Ian Duncan Smith's pious pleading to employers to employ British workers, is empty grandstanding intended to do nothing to improve the employment prospects of the jobless, he's just trying to shift the heat away from the government.

Nothing will be done, the working classes will continue to be squeezed from every direction until we return to a vast class gulf between owners and serfs. Well, maybe a revolution might help..

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 01 Jul 11 - 08:51 AM

How did that man ever get to be an officer? Unless you adhere to the "lions led by donkeys" view.

His party are busy smashing the welfare state to ensure that the oppressed can be coerced into servility, and now he proposes wholesale illegal race discrimination.

Cuckoo!

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 11 - 04:38 PM

So then, lively. What are you proposing is done?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Jun 11 - 02:41 PM

Please keep this discussion on a civil level and refrain from personal comments - and false identities.

Thank you.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 09:11 AM

That's why I said he wouldn't wish to be connected to the other Richard Bridge, who is also a musician, a Kent based solicitor and has been known to "lawyer" TV programs.

After all, surely OUR Richard, after having a pop at anybody who lives in the real world can't be boasting about demarkation with his own practice staff???

McD or not McD, that is the question. Not that I have a fascination about the old chap, just a bit concerned when he pees all over sensible comments using his qualifications in law to mask his lack of understanding of reality.

Comments above being a case in question.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 07:35 AM

Two groups do very well indeed from Eastern European economic migration, that is a) the owners of business and industry, and b) the economic migrants.
The group who does extremely badly out of it however, are the British working classes.

It makes sense for motivated, educated, fit young Poles to spend time cleaning toilets, picking potatoes and serving coffee in the UK, as the wages here are worth four times what they are worth in Poland.

Take a crappy job of say £7 an hour, that's worth £28 pounds an hour (or so) to a Polish person (you'd normally need a degree to get that kind of wage in the UK), add the absence of a young family and mortgage (which has broken the backs of many even on a decent income today) and your young Polish person can readily afford to take a lower rate than an average British bloke with even the smallest mortgage and family to keep could afford to do in this country.

This issue continues to forment a great deal of political discontent among the working-classes, and it also furthers to increase the class divide in this country.

Particularly (forgive me, I think this will annoy some here) when many middle-class liberals would prefer to dismiss such legitimate concerns and political discontent as mere 'racism' (though increased racial tension and prejudice can indeed be a further bi-product). For as one person put it to me: "It's easy for them to do so, because it's not *their* jobs."

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 04:15 AM

You know, if I were Richard Bridge, I would ensure people are talking about the correct Richard Bridge. After all, he says he is a lawyer in Kent.

If you google lawyers in Kent, you find a Richard Bridge, who, in his practice website potted bio reckons;

"He was one of the very first "name" lawyers to pioneer the "zero-overhead" route, using modern technology to replace ALL staff – secretaries, receptionists, assistants so as to reduce costs to clients,"

I assume our Richard isn't this one? After all, what would the Luddites say when his club subscription comes up for renewal? Let alone blaming influx of Poles for keeping labour costs down...

Hows that new computer shaping up Richard? I note you say it is quad core. Perhaps the "other" Richard Bridge equals that to secretary, clerk, receptionist and cleaner.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Jun 11 - 02:28 AM

What inane drivel are you talking now Richard Bridge??

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 31 May 11 - 05:48 PM

There are two issues conflated here, and I suspect the sinister and fascistic Bonzo to be trying a switcheroo.

I have much admiration for many Poles who I have met - and remember with affection (parts of) a reception I went to at the Polish Heart Club after I lawyered the TV series "Struggles for Poland". And indeed the Visnouvka.

Equally I admire hard work and the self employed Poles who work here on that basis can properly work as long and hard and cheaply as they wish. Subject to the Working Time directive. The Working Time Directive saves lives. Remember the French driving posters "Trop d'heures, pas assez sommeil"?

However, the use of cheap labour to drive down the wages and conditions of workers is only to be deprecated - and I infer that that is what you seek to promote. You appear to value subservience and saving your money to preserving the dignity of your fellow man or woman.

Shame on you.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 31 May 11 - 05:20 PM

Actually, Soprano, the French have always been delighted to welcome, for example, the British Normandy Veterans. I've been in Normandy with school groups many times, and the French I spoke to were extremely fond of the old men who attended the gatherings. You sound awfully cynical. As for the Poles, my late father often spoke with great espect for the Polish airmen drafted into our Air Force during the war. They were brave and steady men.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Will Fly
Date: 31 May 11 - 02:46 PM

Oh God how do you all seem to meet Polish war veterans ? I never heard of one, let alone met one !

My father-in-law was one - and a better man I never met.

You should get out more.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Musket
Date: 31 May 11 - 09:57 AM

After the war, many Poles and Ukrainians settled in North Notts, South Yorkshire etc and worked down the pit. When I was a young lad working there, the reputation the recent influx have for hard work was just as true then.

Sure, people are people and there are good and bad in any group of people, but these lads were not only hard working and friendly, but I cannot think of a single man, and I worked with many, who was anything but a good 'un.

The local Ukrainian Club was the cheapest beer in town too.....

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 11 - 07:54 AM

At our local car-wash, they work their butts off, and they do a fantastic (and cheap) job of cleaning my car.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 May 11 - 07:07 AM

If you go into any Cafe Nero of Costa coffee bars there is good chance that you will be served by a young lady from Poland. I have found them to be extremely efficient, speak excellent English and generally very nice people.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:33 PM

Guest soprano, I do hope that is not a sarcastic comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Soprano
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:31 PM

Oh God how do you all seem to meet Polish war veterans ? I never heard of one, let alone met one ! So the French must be just dying to meet those British guys who saved the day 60 years ago. Maybe the Italians want to honour us Americans ?

Any Greek songs out there recalling the guys who took Crete ?

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Rasener
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 07:22 PM

Well if thats the real Chris Moyles, I have a complaint.

When I take my daughters to school each morning between 8:30 and 8:50, all I get is you pratting about instead of playing some songs. Do you think you could save the pissing around, until I get home at 8:50.


And now for the compliment.
Oh and well done with red nose day climb. Top marks to you, the money you got from the listeners was absolutely unbelievable. 10 out of ten to you there.

Having sat with a Polish war veteran who was an RAF bomber pilot and flew from Faldingworth in Lincolnshire to fight the germans, I would like to make some comment.

This man made me feel so humble. I was asked if I could find somebody to write a song to commemorate all the good work the Polish did for us in the war. Mark Addison wrote the lyrics and our own mudcatter Backwoodsman developed the tune and sang it. I was privelaged to take the first cut of that song to this war veteran and his wife, to get his approval. They both broke down in tears and thought the song was wonderful, and gave approval for the song to be sung in the commemoration at the old RAF Faldingworth Airport, I think a year or 2 years ago. It was about the polish people who fought for our country and left their families to work and remain in England. They gave their lives for us.

Now talk to me about the Polish

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: s&r
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 06:23 PM

Didn't realise anyone read the Daily Mail

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Zach
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 05:47 PM

I see in today's Daily Mail the government is to introduce limits on the number of Europeans entering Britain. I am not sure if this is actually legal. Freedom of movement throughtout Europe was agreed some time back if memory serves me right.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: goatfell
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 01:10 PM

Aye the germans thought that Hitler was great for their country along with Mosley

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Andy Kim
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 04:53 AM

And what is wrong with Radio One Backwardman ? At least they play music what isn't a thousand years old and the artists wash more than once a season.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 09 - 03:55 AM

Aha! Thanks Martin. Radio One eh? No wonder I'd never heard of the fucker.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 04:30 AM

A million quid a month is dirt cheap if it's the price of importing a workforce that good and doing foreign aid to a less developed economy that effectively.

Compare the bonuses a catastrophically incompetent bank executive can expect to get from the state.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: MartinRyan
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 04:13 AM

Try Googling chris moyles polish - I'm assuming our Guest is either the same person or someone who feels it appropriate to pretend to be such. My "worry" was that the name might have a particular musical connection!

Regards
p.s. Speaking of Google; GoogleAds is having a fine time with this thread! As of now, it's offering me "Sexy Polish Girls" or "Dental Implants"!

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Feb 09 - 03:12 AM

"Oh! THAT Chris Moyles"

Enlighten me please, Martin. WTF is Chris Moyles? From your comment, I'm assuming we're all supposed to know who he is, but I've never heard of him.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: MartinRyan
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 08:04 PM

Oh! THAT Chris Moyles.... Had me worried for a moment.

Regards

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Chris Moyles
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 07:25 PM

What a sad man. Try some of these McGrath. "Money Money Money" by Abba ? or maybe "I come from the land of plenty" by Men at work ? Or what about "Giving it all away " by Roger Daltry.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 07:21 PM

And here's another version, with dancing...

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 07:11 PM

Let's have some music.

Hej Sokoly

A stirring Polish (and Ukrainian) song, sung here by Maryla Rodowixcz, with a good slide show. (And if you want the words, they're on this page along with a lot of others.)

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Chris Moyles
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 07:09 PM

Look I vote Tory, I buy the Daily Mail and I am not afraid to speak the truth. No one is making these stories up, there is a major rip-off going on and you can't fail to notice it. More than a million pounds a month in child benefit is going to youngsters who live in Eastern Europe. The money is being paid out to 14,000 Eastern European nationals who claim for offspring living in their home countries.

The Government has acknowledged that the payments - funded by British taxpayers - are going abroad.Even larger sums in tax credits for children are thought to be paid to recent migrants from Eastern Europe but ministers insist that total figures are 'not available'.


More than a million pounds a month in child benefits is going to youngsters who live in Eastern Europe. So why is Gordon Brown sending thousands of pounds of benefits every week to children who do not live here and who may never have even visited the UK?



According to figures, nearly 70,000 from the eight Eastern European countries new to the EU are claiming child benefit, a universal payment made to anyone with offspring.
This is worth £18.10 a week for the first child in a family and £12.10 a week for other children.

If all the 14,000 claimants in question had just one child, the total they received would be £253,400 a week - or more than a million pounds a month.But these payments may be dwarfed by the amount paid out in tax credits, which could produce £100 a week to a migrant worker with a child or children in another EU country.

Knowledge of the benefits system is now widespread among Eastern European workers.The biggest Polish newspaper in Britain, the Polish Express, last week ran a story headlined Benefit Hunters which claimed:"The longer we are in Britain, the more rights to social security we are given and the better we are taking advantage of them."

It gave advice on how to claim and described the case of one Polish migrant who was given a two-bedroom house shortly after applying to a housing association, without any need to join a waiting list.
The paper said: "The formalities concerning an application for social security are extremely simple. Do not delay in submitting an application."

Wake up and smell the roses gentlemen.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 06:13 PM

And bosoms, and robins

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 06:06 PM

And sausages. And saurkraut.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 05:33 PM

And one per cent of drools over the bread!

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 05:21 PM

I wonder about a thread half of which says Poles come to live off benefits and the other half says they are here to take jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: The Barden of England
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 05:19 PM

Thanks for correcting me Jack Campin. I was unaware it went back that far.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 05:07 PM

The Daily Mail was promoting racism long before the 1930s. This article quotes their attacks on Jewish refugess from the Tsarist progroms in 1900:

Lionel Morrison for Mediawise

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: The Barden of England
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 04:18 PM

At last Trevor Brathwaite, you have a name.
So what has the circulation of a paper to do with the truth? Back up your assertion that unemployment benefit is £78.00. Please show me where I can claim that! I'm not Polish by the way but a true bred Englishman, just one that doesn't follow a paper that has been a supporter and exponent of extreme right wing views since the depression of the early 1930's.
John Barden

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: GUEST,Daily Mail reader
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 04:04 PM

Circulation. Daily Mail. 2,338,592. Mail on Sunday. 2,316,638.

Trevor Brathwaite

Subject: RE: BS: Polish Workforce in Britain
From: The Barden of England
Date: 06 Feb 09 - 03:59 PM

Well - GUEST,Daily Mail reader certainly ain't unemployed at the moment otherwise they would know their quoted figure for benefit is wrong! I wonder where their figure came from? Oh now let me think - - - - may that be the Daily Mail? The voice of the BNP comes to the fore in my mind, but then again any TROLL who hides behind a GUEST sign in deserves to be called a fascist - so here you go. GUEST,Daily Mail reader you are nothing more than a fascist and deserve all that's coming your way. I'll carve my name with pride you coward.
John Barden