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Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies

Muttley 14 Apr 07 - 10:06 PM
Azizi 14 Apr 07 - 10:35 PM
Snuffy 15 Apr 07 - 04:15 AM
Little Robyn 15 Apr 07 - 04:28 AM
Snuffy 15 Apr 07 - 04:37 AM
GUEST,Jim McLean 15 Apr 07 - 08:22 AM
Geordie-Peorgie 15 Apr 07 - 07:22 PM
Muttley 16 Apr 07 - 02:04 AM
GUEST,Australia 15 Sep 11 - 05:03 PM
Anne Neilson 15 Sep 11 - 08:38 PM
GUEST,Granny Nowell 16 Apr 17 - 10:53 AM
GUEST,Granny Nowell 16 Apr 17 - 10:59 AM
GUEST,nana 10 Jul 17 - 11:55 AM
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Subject: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Muttley
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 10:06 PM

Hey folks: Need additional verses and an origin to this rhyme/chant

Was singing this to my daughter's youngest and helping her clap with it (she's VERY young) and thought, not for the first time that there must be more verses to it. My mother used to sing it with both my sister's and my children and she learned it from her mother and aunts - so it's probably a fairly well established 'chant' or rhyme.

My main request is firstly: where did it come from (the site of the market/source of the bell is Scottish in ours but bound to be different for others.

And secondly (and more importantly)

Are there any other verses anyone is aware of?

The rhyme is 'Penny Bell' or "Clap Handies" - depending on who sings it and the verse I am conversant with goes:

Clap-a-clap-a-handies
Mother's at the well
Father's gone to Edinburgh
To buy a Penny Bell

It has the 'feel' that there should be more.

If anyone can help I would be most grateful

Muttley


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Azizi
Date: 14 Apr 07 - 10:35 PM

Muttley,

I'm not familiar with that rhyme.

That rhyme isn't listed in Roger D. Abrahams' "Jump Rope Rhymes- A Dictionary", which was published for the American Folklore Society in 1969.

I'll look through other books on children's rhymes that I have to see if I can find it. If so, I'll post the words to this thread.

**

When I read that "clap a clap a handies" line, this [1960s? or 1950s?] USA toothpaste ad popped into my mind:

Brush-a bush-a brush-a
It's the new Ipana.
With the brand new flavor.
It's dandy for your tee-eth.

-snip-

Yeah, I know I'm weird.

There's probably no connection.

And I guess that new flavor didn't work that well for Ipana since I don't think that brand of tooth paste is still being sold.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 04:15 AM

My mother (born Tyneside 1920, of Scots parentage) used to sing this verse when we were very small

Clap-a-clap-a-handies
Daddy's coming hame
Pennies in his pocket
For his ain wee wean

I've always assumed it was a Geordie song, but looking closely it does seem more like Scots. And here's a fragment of another one (which may be a different song)

Clap a hands for daddy
Coming doon the waggon way
With a ...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Little Robyn
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 04:28 AM

Snuffy, the second song could be a modification of this Geordie song
which is called Waggoner in the DT.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Snuffy
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 04:37 AM

Yes, that's the one - "pocket full of money and a poke full of hay". Only ever heard the one verse though. And it was definitely Daddy, not "my love" - probably a conflation of the two separate songs.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: GUEST,Jim McLean
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 08:22 AM

My dad also sang this to us but changed the name at the end depending on whom he was singing to (I had four other siblings):

Clap-a-clap-a-handies
Daddy's coming hame
Pennies in his pocket
For Jimmie McLean


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 07:22 PM

Aah remember me Mam singing the Geordie version te me when aah wez a nipper and aall the other bairns in the family and to my bairns when they came alang.

Clap hands for Daddy comin'
Doon the Waggon Way
His pocket's full of money
and his hands aall clay*

*Clay (or clarts) wez the generic term for mud - so basically the mother figure is telling the bairn that Da's been working hard and today's pay-day so they might be able to afford summat nice

Canny! Eh, Man!!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Muttley
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 02:04 AM

Thanks people - any others recalled would be gratefully received - PM me if you do remember

Mutt


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: GUEST,Australia
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 05:03 PM

Clap a Clap a handies
Daddy coming home
Pennies in his pocket
for.....
*insert name*


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: Anne Neilson
Date: 15 Sep 11 - 08:38 PM

Have just been singing this today to my 9 month-old great niece in Ayrshire (Scotland) who has recently added clapping hands to her repertoire -- great to see her interest and progress!

Our family custom has been tpwards endless repetition for familiarity -- with the substitutions of various family members to keep it 'interesting' eg. daddy/mummy/granny/ granpa/uncle Robbie/auntie Annie etc.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: GUEST,Granny Nowell
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 10:53 AM

clap clap a handies, clap clap away,
when the rain is over the sun comes out to play,
clap a handies,
clap clap away.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: GUEST,Granny Nowell
Date: 16 Apr 17 - 10:59 AM

Clap Clap a handies, clap clap away,
clap clap a handies on a rainy day.
When the rain is over, the sun comes out to play,
clap clap a handies, clap clap away.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Clap-a-clap-a-handies
From: GUEST,nana
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 11:55 AM

My mother used to sing it in Flemish /Dutch, but I only know the first few words. "Clappa clappa muncha" It is also sung by Santa in "Miracle on 44th St" with Maureen O'Hara and Natalie Wood. The Scotts and Flemish were united somewhere in UK history.


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