Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 17 Jul 09 - 05:12 AM

Skarpi

I'm not in a position to book bands, but would love to hear some Icelandic folk. Do you have a Myspace?

Sue

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: growler
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 05:43 PM

Hi Hawker
Please let us know what is happening next year ASAP. We play as 'Ruff and Reddy, and we would love to impose ourselves on an unsuspecting Cornish audience. Good luck for this year

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: GUEST,Maddie-S
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 05:33 PM

Hello Lucy

If you're still looking for artists I'm fairly local and could come along. I'm a folk-flavoured singer, play piano (I'd bing my own!) and play with a cellist. Check out www.maddiesouthorn.com or www.myspace.com/maddiesouthorn to see what we sound like and let me know if you're interested.
Best wishes
Maddie

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: My guru always said
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:55 AM

This looks like it's going to be a Fantastic event, well done Lucy!

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 05:42 AM

By the way, Happy St Georges day to you all!
We have just raised the St Georges Flag in place of St Pirans! - only for today!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 05:08 AM

Hello All,
As usual, Mudcat comes up trumps!
I would like to thank you all wholeheartedly for all your support and generosity in offering your varoius talents at out forthcoming festival. I am absolutely overwhelmed - Literally!
Though I would like to book each and every one of you, I am afraid I am going to have to say thank you, but NO MORE! Please! We now have a much fuller programme than we had planned and are delighted, but it would be foolish to overstretch ourselves. If you have contacted me and I have not yet got back to you, I am sorry, it is nothing personal, and you have been noted down for next year. If you would like to still come and join in the fun as a visitor, we would be delighted to welcome you.
I am so looking forward to the festival now and hope that I can make it as great for you as you have for me!
Thank-you Thank-you Thank-you
In deepest hunility at your kindness,
Lucy Burrow

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: growler
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 03:44 PM

I hope the Shiney Bums grace your Festival, We shall have the pleasure a few day's later. If you are having a festival next year, let us know as soon as pos, so we can book. Good Luck

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: GUEST,Jon Ai
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 03:21 PM

Hi there,

It sounds a worthy cause in a lovely part of the UK (and where my grandmother came from!). I'd be interested. Would you like to look at my website - www.jonairdrie.com and email?

Thanks,

Jon.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Mick Tems
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 07:14 AM

Andrew and Carole,

Maybe we could hitch a lift if you're driving past on your way to Kernow and share petrol costs - it's just a thought.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: The Unicorn Man
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 05:11 AM

Hello I am coming. See you there most likely on Saturday.TTFN

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 04:05 AM

Hello Bums - late at night for you.

Growler is right above that the drive will be at least 5 hours from Bude to Rochester on some little UK roads and a fair bit of motorway a fair bit of which will have hold-ups or road-ups.

Plop the two postcodes into the RAC route planner website and you will get an itinerary and an estimated drive time.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: My guru always said
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 04:01 AM

Thanks Lucy, I will definitely get to work on the other half and will let you know asap. I do hope you'll be able to slot yourself into a concert Lucy, looking forward to hearing you sing again! Anyone able to do a web-page for this?

Wouldn't it be wonderful to have the Shiny Bums in Bude!!*!? Looks like fate to me & all with willing hearts. Hope an arrangement can be reached!

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Canberra Chris
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 10:37 PM

Growler and Melodeon-boy,

Can we work something out? Far be it from the Shiny Bum Singers from Oz to stand in the way of a good sing or the launch of something new, or an extra performance (for the rest - it is we whom they are kindly hosting at the Good Intent Rochester at noon on Whitsunday).

The Shiny Bums are performing for the Met Office in Exeter on Wed 23 May, and had then intended to work our way back east to Rochester via Chippenham and maybe Edenbridge or Battle, though we had no gigs arranged.

We are therefore on hand for Bude as an alternative, if it would work without in any way jeopardising the Rochester gig.

Since the main driving hazard for Aussies in England is not realising we are already approaching the opposite coast, our sense of time and motion for a zip from Cornwall to Kent may benefit from local advice. Could we, and maybe Growler and Melodeonboy too?, be in a concert in Bude on Saturday afternoon, and get back to Rochester that night in reasonable shape for Sunday? The Bums will have two hire cars between five, so lifts back should be possible if that helps.

Lucy - if it works out, the Shiny Bum Singers would be happy to be on your program. We are a well-known festival crowd-pleaser here, and remember being supported ourselves when new.

Sorry for taking up so much thread space, any responses maybe via PM to Canberra Chris?

Canberra Chris

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: growler
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 06:13 PM

Good Luck, we WILL be there next year, hope you have a great time, as I'm sure you will

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: grumpy al
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:31 PM

Whoops type P.S.
any chance of finding somewhere close to park the camper? staggering distance would be nice!

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: grumpy al
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:29 PM

Hi to you
nice to hear of a fest being revived, we would love to help out.
My partner and I go under the name of Ravenstone, to find out more about us please see the Wessex folk festival site at

www.wessexfolkfestival.co.uk

sorry can't get the ruddy thing to turn blue dunno what iv'e done wrong.

we are free that weekend and you can contact us either through me at mudcat or via the festival website

Look forward top hearing from you
Grumpy Al

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 05:42 AM

It will be great to see you if you can come, I'll slot you into one of the concerts too and keep my fingers crossed!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: My guru always said
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 04:23 AM

Hi Lucy, am going to see if we can come down & join the fun!! Good luck with this Girlie, lots of positive thoughts and encouragement coming your way!

Good luck Don, hope it all goes well & it'll be worth all the hardship I'm sure!

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 05:47 PM

Thanks for that Steve! he is up near us next weekend, may well go and see him and see if he would like to come, though he looks pretty booked up that weekend!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 05:45 PM

Sonya,
Thanks for offering, what sort of thing do you sing? contact me on Lucy Burrow @ aol.com (without the spaces)
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: growler
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 05:22 PM

Spoke to John Matthews, the best uncompied singer around here, ( and there arn't many), we are gutted that we can't come, I even reserved our Bed and Breakfast, before I realised that I had double booked. Please get this on thread, nice and early next year and we'll be there

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: GUEST,Steve!
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 05:14 PM

Hello! Hope u don't mind me posting this, but there is a guy down at St Austell called The Ramblin Minor, I'm sure if hes not busy he would b interested he has played at The Bullers b4 and think maybe at the new inn at kilk! U can contact him and hear his tunes at www.myspace.com/ramblinminor. Maybe worth a try! Steve

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: oombanjo
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:10 PM

me an't dixie chick will be down there but not till the first and second week of june. if anythings going let us know. chee3rs Oombanjo

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: GUEST,Sonic
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 01:57 PM

Still looking for people for Bude? I am available I am a singer.

Let me know

Cheers

Sonya

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 11:22 AM

By The Way Tom I dont know if you'll be interested, but there is a New Bude Folk Club starting at The Falcon on Sunday night, 22nd April. It will probably be every fortnight, but check either with the Falcon or me as the first few dates are not entirely regular, with the festival and everything! Look forward to meeting you.
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 11:16 AM

Hey Tom!
We were looking for something a bit more upbeat for the younger end of the market, thanks for getting in touch, My best man and his wife know Jethro's dad quite well - Jethro's sister Octavia and their daughter Izzy are friends.
Contact me at Lucy Burrow @ aol.com (without the spaces) and Ill talk to the rest of the commitee.
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: GUEST,Tom
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 10:08 AM

Hey I live in Kilk! I'll play! My band is an acoustic funk/blues band. The drummer might be booked up for thopse days but I'll give him a ring and see if not I'll do a solo set or something.

Do you want a demo?

please checkout the myspace... myspace.com/tomconibear

Cheers, Tom.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Mothy
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:40 AM

Cheers 4 that Hawks! got one confirmed group, just waiting to hear from the other one.
got in touch with a bloke last nite who's catering for Seth Lakeman at the mo, he says he'll put the idea to him!

Mothy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 07:05 PM

Don, have you heard the George Withers Parody?.....

Ooohh my tooth has gone, its the tooth I adore.....

I do hope it doesn't hurt too much, I am cringing at the very thought of it, I HATE visiting the dentist for a check up, so anything more... NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!
I'll try not to think about you as I'll only have nightmares, but I send you lots of love and hugs for a speedy recovery from your tortures!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 06:51 PM

I'd love to come Hawker, but if all goes to plan I shall be sans teeth that very weekend, after going four rounds with the dentist, and awaiting the arrival of dentures.

I have a sinking feeling that it will be time for Sidmouth before I'll be singing again.

Next year tho', I'll make a point of being there. I may well have a few more biting parodies to share.

Very best of luck to you this year

Ah'll Sithee
Don T.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 05:57 PM

Aah'm gannin'!

I'm hopin' te get te see George Papavgeris at last

Aah'll dee it even if aah hev te camp on his tent-step and tek him te breakfast

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 05:51 PM

Never mind, Growler we'd love to see you next year!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: growler
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 05:43 PM

Sorry, having made my mind up to come to Bude, I have been reminded that we are hosting the Shiney Bum Singers from Ozy, that Weekend, Maybe next Year

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 05:42 PM

Thanks for that Jim Lad, I understand what you mean now, Being from over the pond, often there are different meanings to phrases used, I know what you mean, about if it takes off and getting swept away, I'll try to keep my - and the rest of the committees feet on the ground!
Good luck with the studio!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Cats
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 04:39 PM

Jim Lad - We love Vancouver Island. We have relatives there and when we visited a few years ago we played for the Vancouver and Victoria Old Cornwall Society. Brilliant.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 04:17 PM

Oh, please don't misread me. I have assisted several fledgling festivals and events. Some have flourished others have not. Many times I and others like me have been lost in the shuffle as these events have taken off. Still, I'd do it again. And again! And again!
If you succeed, you will be overwhelmed in the coming years and even the best of intentions can get lost in all of it. I'm only trying to encourage you and offer a little advice.
Now, I have a studio to set up so I'm outa here!
Good luck with it all.
Sincerely.
Jim

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: growler
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 04:10 PM

If I can bribe one of my sons to take the wife to the Kent Garden Show, ( Her yearly treat ), I hope to be there, could you message me with any available B+Bs

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:44 PM

Oh Skarpi! I would love to get you over, perhaps next year, depending on what finances are available! I am sure you would be more than welcome!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:42 PM

Jim Lad, those who have offered assistance will definately be the first on the list at next years event, what do you mean by bitten? I am really trying to make a go of this and prove to the powers that be that they should fund us next year, it seems to be working, we had the tourist board at the meeting last night, they are really keen fr next year and meetings for planning funding strategies are already in place. There will be a craft fair too next year, the local Chamber of Commerce are keen to get involved and things look positive. You never know, in a couple of years, when we have this thing really sussed, we may be able to bring you over from Vancouver Island! But for now, reality says we have to do it this way.
Thanks for the good luck wishes, they are really appreciated.
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:34 PM

There is a camp site, Gazza2 at the link above, More dancers would be great, sing arounds being programmed in this week. Now all I need are 20 pairs of hand and lots of prayers we can pull this off! Getting nervous as it draws nearer! But It is looking good!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:27 PM

I've been bitten several times in similar scenarios. Doesn't bother me. Good luck with it. Just remember those who have offered their assistance.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:24 PM

Mothy, the festival is a taster for next year, it is a low key event this year, in as much as it is fairly informal, there will be sessions and sings on Friday night, dancing round the town (if i can get any sides to confirm they are coming!) saturday morning, a concert Saturday afternoon and sessions around and about. Saturday night has a band at The Tree in in one room, with 2 other rooms available for music and singing. Sunday morning poossibly more dancing in the town, harp and pipe workshops in the afternoon, harp & pipe concert in the evening followed by a ceilidh. Monday survivors session till we collapse in a heap!
There is no money, we are not charging for tickets, but are charging to go into the concert and the ceilidh (Ceilidh £5.00 to include pasty! & Concert £2.00) And there will be a raffle to help cover expenses. There is a camp site here:http://www.efforddown.co.uk

and an overflow camp site at The Rugby Club.
Hope thats covered info for you!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 01:51 PM

it would be great to get there next year , we are looking for festivals
to play at in England :>)

So if you have any interest to have an Icelandic folk music
as a guests at this festival next year please have
a conntact , and George good luck and say hi to your
lovely Vanessa .


All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 01:47 PM

if we where not so far away I would come with my band .
Sorry

All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Gazza2
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 01:19 PM

Dear Hawker, We'll ask around for dancers in South Wales/Bristol areas this weekend. Any decent camp sites in the area? Nice pubs??
We are up for singarounds!

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Anne Lister
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:52 AM

Hawker - I sent you a PM a couple of days ago about this ...just beginning to be faintly curious ...*s*

Anne

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: GUEST,Mothy
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:10 AM

u know i was praying for something like this for ages!! whats the info? i may be able to put forward a couple o groups for then, just discussing with them as we speak.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: melodeonboy
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 07:18 PM

I would have loved to come and play but I'm gigging on the Friday evening and hosting a midday session on Sunday. With a five-hour drive each way that wouldn't leave me much time!

Anyway, good luck. I hope it goes well for you.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 08:15 AM

There was a folk singer from Bude.
whose songs were terribly rude.
with a harp he would hum,
whilst gyrating his bum.
and dancing the Morris ,most lewd

good luck ,sorry but im booked already.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: skipy
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 08:00 AM

Contact Graham King at the Whitchcraft Museum in Boscastle, number on web site.
Skipy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: alanabit
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 07:45 AM

No problem Muppitz. No one knows everywhere! It is in the West Country on the North coast, just up on the border, where England gives way to beautiful Cornwall. (To be fair to it, Devon is not a bad looking place either...) It's a couple of miles up the coast from Tintagel and Boscastle etc.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: English Jon
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 07:44 AM

Would have loved to have helped out. Unfortunately I'm gigging all weekend. Good luck with it and let us know for next year!

Cheers,
Jon Loomes

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: muppitz
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 07:34 AM

'Scuse my incompetence but where is Bude?????
There's a possibility I could be convinced now that Cleethorpes has sadly demised and I wouldn't be seen at Chester again until they get somesort of security sorted out.

muppitz
x

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 08:45 PM

Yes, we are aware that it is chippenham, and this has been discussed on another thread. However, we cannot change the date for this year. that is something that may well change for next year.
We really would like a few dance sides, I know its a tall ask when there is no money involved, butif there are any keen for a practise in a festival atmosphere, then please get in touch!
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Hawker
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 08:42 PM

The festival is in the main, as it is a taster for next year, on the Saturday and Sunday, with a Friday bight session / sing and a Monday lunchtime survivors session / sing, so sadly dj bass it looks like we will be unabvle to work in with your scedule, we will keep your info for next year though, thanks for the offer.
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: dj bass
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 06:53 PM

Monday 28 May is the only possible date for
Sevenoaks. Check us out and mail if interested. Two of us have other things happening on Saturday and we'll be at Folk on the Moor on Sunday 27.

dj

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: bubblyrat
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 03:32 PM

Looking good so far !! Shame about Leadfingers, my old colleague from Singapore in the 60 s -----But our loss is America"s gain !!Meanwhile, let"s hear it from the dance-sides !!

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Crane Driver
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 02:34 PM

We've already contacted Hawker, and it's in our diary - sounds good.

Andrew & Carole

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 02:06 PM

for what its worth, check out breezy who ran the St Albans Windward club - where george Papavgeris was resident and still has some connection - as he normally goes to padstow for a week at whit

he'll probably be down for may-day so get hawker to sound him out

He also used to run a folk club at the Summerleaze hotel in Bude before he was poached by the oss folk

he's booked for Folk on the moor later this year so he still does the occasional gig

George Papavgeris knows how to handle him

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: bubblyrat
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 12:59 PM

George , that would be STUPENDOUS !! I shall go to work on your de-luxe accomodation immediately !! Don"t go away !! Roger...( We may yet cook together !! )

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 12:43 PM

There's a good chance I might make it, but would need somewhere to kip for the night with the good lady Vanessa.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Leadfingers
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 12:42 PM

As I will be gigging on the Friday AND the Saturday that weekend I cannot make an offer - And the Sunday and Monday are out too as I am actually doing those gigs in America . Otherwise I woud love to help out , but in fact can only wish you luck.

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Dave Earl
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 12:39 PM

A Festival too far I fear.

Also it clashes with Chippenham which could be a problem for you.

Dave

Subject: RE: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 12:36 PM

I fear it is too far.

Subject: Bude Folk Festival---Musicians Wanted !!
From: bubblyrat
Date: 15 Apr 07 - 12:08 PM

Are there any UK musicians out there who are FREE ( in more ways than one ! ) this coming Whitsun weekend, viz. 25--28th May 2007 ?? It is hoped to Revive and Resurrect the moribund Bude Folk Festival next month.As it is necessary to convince the " Powers that Be " of its viability, performers ( AND festival attendees !! ) are needed, BUT --for the performers, there is virtually no budget available ( next year , perhaps ) --it"s a "chicken & egg " situation !!
SO--could ANY artistes, groups,ceilidh-bands,Morris sides, Appalachian teams, cloggers, rappers, lion-tamers or exhibitionists, who are NOT booked to play /perform / expose themselves at Whitsun next month , consider helping out with this Worthy Cause and coming along to perform just for the camaraderie and the craic----You"ll be famous for it ,I promise !! If you"ve nothing better to do ( and, let"s face it, what COULD be better than helping to re-establish another Folk Venue, in such a beautiful and friendly part of the country ??? )--Then PLEASE get in touch --preferably with "HAWKER " , as she lives a mere oggie- throw from lovely Bude, and I don"t !! If you can"t come yourselves, PLEASE tell your friends about us /it !! Thankyou for reading this !!.......Roger..