Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: GUEST,Roger Gall former mudcatter
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:30 PM

The following was what I posted (in a thread that is now closed)

Dear Max

I have been a long time member of this forum and I remain a great supporter of its original aims and ethos.

You have publicly made it known you no longer wish me to remain a contributor but have not blocked my contribuions or suspended my membership.

And as I consider (unlike some others) I have done nothing to justify this public judgement - I have continued to try and post as I have done for many years.

My concern has been that in supporting our forum, as I have always done, that I am now expected support many actions undertaken - it is claimed in the name of enabling resonable discussion. I feel that I cannot.

I have recently had many of my posts 'siently deleted' and have just recieved a Personal Message warning me that - If I wish to continue using Mudcat for discussions of licensing and music and other matters, that I must refrain from certain others.

I find this condition on my posting alone totally unacceptable - so can you please retract this warning and ensure that no more of my posts on any subject are deleted and restore those that have been or at least indicate to posters where such action has been imposed?

As I have every intention of coninuing to try posting all of my views - if you are not prepared to do as I request - can you please suspend my membership?

NOTE
At no point have I requested that contributions posted under the name The Shambles should be replaced with Roger Gall former mudcatter.

If this is normal under these circumstances then any guest thinking of becoming a member should be made aware of it.

If it is not normal, then perhaps the reasons behind why it has happened in this case need to be explained?

---

OK. That's it. There will be no discussions of Mudcat editing policy or Mudcat policy in general until after after the first of May. None whatsoever. This a music forum. Go talk about music.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:15 PM

'Perhaps guest who are urged that 'membership has its rewards' should be made aware that on giving up this membership - whatever membership posting name they may have used in past posting will be replaced by their real name.

Not that I have ever made any secret of mine but I see that every past thread and post of The Shambles - is now replaced by Roger Gall, former mudcatter. '

Suspension of membership was requested by The Shambles/Roger Gall

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Mr Happy
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:07 PM

Infamy!Infamy! -They've all got it in fer me!!

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 08:49 PM

You know, Bruce,
Shambles objected to ALL editorial actions. Why should I bother ot take crap from Shambles for protecting him? And for that matter, what was so wrong with the anonymous [El Greko] posts that parodied the usual posts from Shambles? The ones I saw were just funny parodies, nothing vicious.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 08:27 PM

I guess it depends on whether it was actually a member, or just a troll. Joe or Jeff can identify 'some' folks with arcane technology, but I guess there are ways to dodge that. Threads can be closed & messages deleted, but UNLESS we go to a totally closed, all member situation, complete control in not possible.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:59 PM

Would someone in the know deal with THAT question?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:48 PM

Time will tell?

Bill, there was a poster who kept going at Shambles. What has been the disposition of that? Will THAT poster be named as was Shambles? If so, when? If not, why?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:52 PM

Time will tell....
Roger has not wished to follow the management's rules for quite awhile now. It is too bad, as he has a lot to contribute when he is not in his 'righteous indignation' mode.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:32 PM

Or, the other possibility, is that it was he who shall not be named himself.....

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:50 PM

Either way, if that poster gets away with the shit he threw at Shambles, then Shambles was absolutely right with some of what he said.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:46 PM

Ah but was he a member? I don't think he was, think he/she was just a stirrer from Outer Space. Just a guess, really!
G

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:42 PM

So Roger got the axe with certain conditions. What about the member posing as Guest who's been attacking Roger? Did that asshole get the axe too? Like, WTF, ya know?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:41 PM

XS ?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:39 PM

So, Roger, WTF, huh?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:39 PM

MG; CH ?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:37 PM

I think "to the Big House" might describe it better; he's doing time for stated offenses after due warning. While I would love to see a transcript of the trial, I imagine that is not going to happen. But perhaps he will return a wiser and better Catter? I guess it depends on who his cellmate is.


A

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: MMario
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:37 PM

tunesmith - nobody (or at least not very many) object to that; nor to non-members that use a consistant psuedonym.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:29 PM

I think you just did ¦¬]

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:27 PM

So, Roger Gall has been sent to Coventry? Are we allowed to mention his name?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:25 PM

Roger Gall, also known as Shambles, has requested that his membership be suspended because he does not wish to comply with restrictions placed upon him to control his attacks on Mudcat editors and on another Mudcatter. Regrettably, all future messages from Mr. Gall will be deleted until such time as he agrees to accept such restrictions.
Any replies to Mr. Gall will also be deleted.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:25 PM

I must admit that I am a registered member but I clear my cookies quite often, and then I can't remember my log on details and just post as a guest.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 03:03 PM

"... message boards, to newcomers, .... can often seem to be the special territory of those who post often and know each other, know the real names behind the e-monnikers and so forth. "

yep...until you've been around awhile, it's hard to know who is likely serious, who is famous for silliness, who can be trusted to study issues instead of just repeating rumors & gossip....and it can be relevant where they are..(USA, UK, OZ..etc)...but a little lurking and cautious posting will soon bring you up to speed. Some folks 'adapt' to new places faster than others.....but here at Mudcat, there are plenty of welcomes and help unless you jump in and start arguing and accusing without saying even 'hello'...

it's sorta like marrying into a family..

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 02:20 PM

I find it angering more than unnerving, because I don't like to see people shitting in a public place. Some sorts of trolling are the cyber-equivalent. The best of the 'Cat comes from folks who come here for free and open and civil and funny conversations. As far as I am concerned someone who deliberately tries to destroy that, by dragging it into his personal cloud of scum and hatred, is a destructive person. I ignore them when I can, and when I can't I try to make fun out of dealing with them. Failing that, I sometimes try to tear them a new one, verbally, but it is my least preferred option.


A

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 01:42 PM

Well, guestsview, you're right in thinking that things would be nicer if people wouldn't take the bait trolls set out for them - but with as many people as we have here, there's always somebody ready to take the bait and run with it.
And when the trolls are anonymous, they can play things both ways - both setting the bait and taking it.
But encouraging people not to respond, is not granting trolls permission to continue to stir the pot. There's something about anonymous insults - they have a leering, spooky quality to them. People can put up with an occasional insult like that, but a constant stream from an unknown source is unnerving. That's why we've taken to deleting messages from Guests who do not use a consistent name.
Roger Gall, also known as Shambles, has requested that his membership be suspended because he does not wish to comply with restrictions placed upon him. Regrettably, all future messages from Mr. Gall will be deleted until such time as he agrees to accept such restrictions.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: catspaw49
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 01:24 PM

And sometimes it is just fun to play with the trolls whether they are serious trolls or simply idiots.

Spaw

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Amos
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 01:17 PM

Silence is a reply too

Wisely put, Guest. And welcome.

It has been used a great deal -- if only you could count the nummber of "read and ignore" responses the way you can "read and react" responses.

It isn't easy when someone has posted in plain print something outrageous or extremely nasty. But it is a good approach from an individual perspective.


A

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: GUEST,a guest's view
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 12:55 PM

I'm a very occasional guest here, and not much of a user of message boards etc at all, so for me not having registered is, a suppose, a virtual or e-version of a kind of in-person shyness that I've largely conquered in person.
       I should add that I very much appreciate the chance to use the board and to be able to post-so this guest says thanks for the e-hospitality! :)
And another observation--that message boards, to newcomers, whether it's music, macintosh computer or one related to my work, can often seem to be the special territory of those who post often and know each other, know the real names behind the e-monnikers and so forth. Then the outsider or newcomer has a choice--either push a bit to join in with the conversation, or lurk in the background...

As to the points about trolls and unpleasant exchanges--it seems to me that there is a very simple solution, but please pardon me if it's naive or I just don't think like most people. When someone posts something rude, aggressive or provocative, it's only an e-message, they're not shouting at you across a room. What I can't understand is why people take the bait. Silence is a reply too (and might be strong negative reinforcement for trolls

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 11:03 AM

Good one Bill.

The reason I ask is that I am having flashbacks to a time I got stuck in a revolving door--which actually turned out to be a phone booth--and the experience lasted for about seven hours, despite friends later telling me it was really less than four seconds. I don't know what could be prompting the flashbacks.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 10:33 AM

No, but I had a bad trip to a base once that I didn't enjoy. About a pH12

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 10:04 AM

Did anyone here ever have a bad acid trip?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM

Apologies, Sandra-- I had missed your earlier post explaining that you would not be joining, til it was brought to my attention.

~Susan

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:15 AM

We like the moo-oo-oo-oo-n...

If you look up my member profile, you may just understand...

Robin

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Wordsmith
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:48 AM

I'm somewhat baffled, but that sometimes happens here...in a good way, unless, it's not. Now, that we're all in the same boat, welcome, Anamika, guest or member, whichever suits you. I have learned some new (to me) things in this thread. I never knew the origin of the name, Mudcat. Not that it mattered to me, I just thought it was cool. Now, I do. I used to bullhead...does that count?

Thanks for all of the other helpful bits of information. I posted my own thread: "What's in a Name?" in order to introduce myself to my fellow/gal mudcatters and got quite a few responses. I found it broke the ice, and also explained how I "earned" the name. I always post as Wordsmith, so mudcatters can get to know me by my posts.   

I, too, choose to remain - sexless, for the same reasons earlier mentioned. I hear the giggles already. I didn't say celibate. Before this degenerates even further, I bid you all a fond adieu...parting is such sweet sorrow, etc., etc., etc.. Auf wiedersehen. Foreign language skills...now you know something about me. Isn't it amazing how sexy "anonymous" sounds in a different language?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: sian, west wales
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:59 AM

Great name, Anamika! Hope to see you in a number of threads. Any chance of you giving us some ideas as to your main intesests?

sian, west wales

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: GUEST,Anamika
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 04:19 AM

Well that didn't go very well did it! I'm obviously hopeless!!!

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 03:33 AM

WYSIWYG - I am going to remain as a guest but I will always use the name of Anamika.

Peace - I got my name from Wikipedia. I thought the explanation was excellent. I only wish I had Artistic Talent!

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 08:49 PM

Guests are rubbish, members are the best ones.john

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 08:36 PM

Thanks Peace, for the info about the name Anamika. I just added it to the list of non-standard {in the USA} names that are featured on my website at http://cocojams.com/names.htm

Most of the names that appear on that list were added because visitors to that site asked about their origins and meanings.
Check out that page and the rest of that website if you've got a mind to.
   
{How's that for Shameless Promotion ?}

;o)

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 08:11 PM

"Anamika is popular female name in the Hindu Religion. Anamika as such means someone with no name. Vedic rishis believed that a name defined the child's character-its face, figure, temper, morals, tastes and profession. In Hindu tradition when a person is born a birthchart is created and accordingly the Alphabet for the name is chosen. Its believed that when a name is given to a child there is a predetermined qualities that develops in a person. In ancient Hindu literature Anamika means someone with no name & such a person has its individuality & destiny to be determined on her own. The name Anamika (literally 'without a name') means that the child's future is what she wants to make it, since she is not hedged in by any preordained limitations. It's a feminine name mostly popular among Bengali's. 'A' means no, 'NAM' means name. It is generally seen the many people named Anamika have Artistic Talents."

From Wiki, and supported by other sites on the 'net. FYI.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: wysiwyg
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 07:21 PM

Anamika/Sandra, are you planning to join Mudcat then, or trying to let us know you plan on remaining an anonymous Guest?

~Susan

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 06:46 PM

LOL both of you. HA HA.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 06:42 PM

Juan Tun a'Mary

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Amos
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 06:41 PM

Yeah and his cousin, Juan Tu Mannie Cervezas.

A

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 06:25 PM

Oh. You know Juan, too? It's a small world, mano.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Amos
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 06:15 PM

Ahh, Juan!! Good to see usted! You are a relative of my fran' Juan Tou San, no?

A

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 06:03 PM

Juan Hund Red

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 06:02 PM

Anamika is just a name for someone with no name.

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Mr Happy
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 05:55 PM

Sanity??

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Peace
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 04:43 PM

What would you like them replaced with?

Subject: RE: Members Versus Guests and Noms de Plume
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 02:07 PM

I absolutely love that "name". Many welcomes to Mudcat, Anamika, I can see already that you are going to be a fun, and well informed member. I look forward to your posts.

All the best,

Mick