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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: robomatic Date: 21 Apr 07 - 02:04 PM mg point well taken One of my life models was my grandfather's cleaning lady, who I think taught me the term 'elbow grease' and used ammonia on pretty much everything! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Rowan Date: 20 Apr 07 - 11:48 PM bobad wrote "In Australasia a person of Hong Kong origin is categorised as a Honky." and (I suspect) cited Wikipedia as the source. Curious. "Australasia" encompasses New Zealand (where I've not yet spent much time) and a few other parts outside Oz but I don't think I've ever come across the word outside references to American race culture. If an Australian wished to be offensive to them, people of Hong Kong origin were more likely to be called "Chinks" (n.) or "Chinky" (adj.) but I haven't seen or heard either word used (outside formal discussions of lore) since my youth. And, to get back to the original question, Bert's "Just because 'because it is the best paying job they could get.' doesn't preclude them from performing the job with pride and doing the best that they can." expresses, more clearly than I did, what I meant when I wrote "If my destiny is to be a beggar I must try as hard as possible to be the best I can." Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:30 PM Actually, I' perfectly happy when my black friends call me "Cueball". You see, I know they are joking and there's no malicious intent. I would never dream of calling any of them by that n word tho', as I don't believe that can ever fail to offend. Doesn't matter. I have plenty other nicknames, arising out of our mutual memories, to choose from. It works as long as both sides of the equation balance. Ain't maths wonderful. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Riginslinger Date: 20 Apr 07 - 02:26 PM "'1967- "Time," Aug. 4.: Damning Lyndon Johnson for sending "honky" cracker federal troops into Negro communities to kill Black people, Brown called the president "a wild, mad dog, an outlaw from Texas..."'" Funny to see Lyndon Johnson portrayed this way. We're used to seeing him held up as the champion of the American Black. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 20 Apr 07 - 01:40 PM Added footnote: 'Honky' as a perjorative is earlier than 1967- Mezzrow, in Mezzrow and White, 1946, "Really Blues"; possibly- since he may have been referring to 'Hunkies;' "Man, I'm down with it, stickin' like a honky." In 1958, the film "Defiant Ones," "[You're a] nigger...I'm a honky. You don't have to argue me out of it." 1967- "Time," Aug. 4.: Damning Lyndon Johnson for sending "honky" cracker federal troops into Negro communities to kill Black people, Brown called the president "a wild, mad dog, an outlaw from Texas..." No relation to the old western American word honkatonk or honkytonk (1894 or earlier). Above quotes from Lighter, "Historical Dictionary of American Slang," vol. 1. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 07 - 11:23 AM Guest, meself, you nailed it. Sorry about the confusion. Also, the Honkie ststements were a takeoff on either a Dick Gregory or Godfrey Cambridge skit in which the comedian--after being called ni##er-- looked around with a wild and scared glare in his eye and yelled, "WHERE?" This thread has run its course for me. Have a good life all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 20 Apr 07 - 10:30 AM 'Peace, [here's an example of my Virgo nit picking-you introduced Bert to someone who isn't posting on this thread. You said "memyself" when actually the poster's name is "meself".' Just to add to the general confusion: Peace is using an earlier incarnation of my handle - I was going by "memyself" until an otherwise troublesome person in the course of a sputtering post began addressing me as "meself" - whether that was just a slip or a deliberate attempt to corrupt my name I don't know, but I decided I preferred it, and started using it. You know, just like teenage girls always try out various spellings and other variations on their names before finally settling on the one they feel they can live with ... 'Since only rich people drove cars then, black prostitutes knew a honking horn meant a rich payday. Therefore, the word 'honkie' came to fruition.[citation needed]' "Citation needed" indeed. Sounds like classic 'fakelore' to me. But on the subject of "honky": It's always struck me that - Azizi can correct me if I'm wrong - Black people have never collectively embraced a truly demeaning term for White people - perhaps some of the militants alluded to above hoped that would happen, but it seems to me that "honky" is generally spoken with more of a smirk than a sneer. And I never got the sense that it was really widely used - again, Azizi's take on that would be welcome ... ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Mike Miller Date: 20 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM I, too, respect all workers. My years in Kibbutz taught me that much. But, the fact remains, most bankers are pleased with their lot and most menials are not. If they were allowed to trade jobs, more menials would trade than their banker brethren. Some jobs are classified as entry-level because most people don't want to stay in them for their entire careers. Little girls used to dream of becoming ballerinas or nurses. In more enlightened times, they aspire to careers in the arts, the sciences, politics, business, just about anything they like. I doubt that many little girls dream of a life as a professional floor washer. Hey, I could be wrong. I'll ask my daughter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: bobad Date: 20 Apr 07 - 07:36 AM FYI The word honky as a term for whites derives from bohunk and hunky. In the early 1900's, these were derogatory terms for Bohemian, Hungarian, and Polish immigrants. According to Robert Hendrickson, author of the Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, Black workers in Chicago meat-packing plants picked up the term from white workers and began applying it indiscriminately to all Caucasians. Honky was later adopted as a pejorative meaning white in 1967 by black militants within SNCC seeking a rebuttal for the term nigger. They settled on a familiar word they felt was disparaging to certain Americans of European descent; hunkie meaning an American of Slavic or Hungarian descent.[1][2] The word 'honkie' was also used in the early to mid 1900's to describe a rich, white man searching for a black hooker. White men would be terrified to enter the actual ghettos so they would honk their horns where they felt safe. Since only rich people drove cars then, black prostitutes knew a honking horn meant a rich payday. Therefore, the word 'honkie' came to fruition.[citation needed] In Australasia a person of Hong Kong origin is categorised as a Honky. Wikipedia |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Azizi Date: 20 Apr 07 - 07:24 AM I recognize that this thread-and Mudcat itself-is definitely not the Azizi show. Some folks may think that I'm trying to focus attention on myself, but I feel the need to say what I'm going to say. So spite of the possibility of negative responses, here goes: First, let me say this: meself, I understood the intent of your 19 Apr 07 - 04:54 PM comment. ** Bert, thanks for your support as noted in your 20 Apr 07 - 12:30 AM post ** meself, with regard to your 19 Apr 07 - 10:59 PM post, I agree. ** Peace, [here's an example of my Virgo nit picking-you introduced Bert to someone who isn't posting on this thread. You said "memyself" when actually the poster's name is "meself". I've been prone to make the same mistake, so I've taken to copying his {or her} name from a post to make sure I'm spelling it right. And as for Bert and you calling folks "honkies", better you both than me :o} ** Now I'd like to comment about Bert's statement that I'm not a racist because if I were I wouldn't be on Mudcat sharing my culture: I don't believe that I'm a racist. However, it's possible for a person who is Black to be a racist and still share their culture with non-Black people. Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I think the determining factors are why & how a person shares her or his culture with others. Besides, sharing information about their cultures is what Mudcatters do. It's true that I talk about race a lot on Mudcat. I believe that if there were more Black people who post here, I wouldn't have to mention race as much as I do. Not too long ago, I received a pm from someone who said that s/he is Black but never mentions that fact on Mudcat. I regret that, but I can't walk in another person's shoes. But-for the record-there have been numerous occassions on Mudcat in which I've learned something about African American culture from non-African American people. For example, if you're interested, see this thread thread.cfm?threadid=78209#1402189 Feelin The Blues Also, there have been a number of times in which I've posted comments and started threads that have nothing what so ever to do with race or ethnicity. For example, if you're interested see my all time favorite Mudcat thread thread.cfm?threadid=87517 BS: Sponge Bob dead on Xmas eve And here's two more examples of my starting threads and posting comments that don't refer to race/ethnicity: thread.cfm?threadid=92459&messages=509 BS: Name That Mudcatter; and thread.cfm?threadid=80317#1461814 BS: Lucky Charms But more to the point of why I post on Mudcat, I do so because I like to do so. I like to express myself. And I like to be around people who are often considerate, interesting, and witty. I post on Mudcat because I like being around folks who are intelligent, intellectually stimulating, and eclectic. Of course, I believe that I share all of these positive descriptors. :o) I post on Mudcat because I love exchanging information with and learning from people who share the same or similar interests with me {such as an interest in the origins & meanings of words and the source materials for songs}. I post on Mudcat because I choose to. ** I apologize for the length of this post. Best wishes to all and to all a good day. Azizi |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 07 - 01:00 AM Bert, memyself, allow me to introduce you two dudes. Bert, this is memyself; memyself, this is Bert. You are both gonna remember this moment, because I want to tell you that there are HONKIES HERE! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 07 - 12:57 AM Honkies? WHERE? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Bert Date: 20 Apr 07 - 12:51 AM Sorry about that. Yes I misunderstood your post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 20 Apr 07 - 12:46 AM Did I say there was anything wrong with Azizi's post? Did I say Azizi is a racist? Someone asked what racism has to do with cleaning ladies, and I told her to re-read Azizi's post - which was all about what racism has to do with cleaning ladies, in the context of the insult that prompted the thread. So - you misinterpreted my post. No harm done. I've misinterpreted posts before ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Bert Date: 20 Apr 07 - 12:30 AM Just because 'because it is the best paying job they could get.' doesn't preclude them from performing the job with pride and doing the best that they can. The person who cleans the toilets in a company is probably the most important employee that the company has. Providing a clean healthy environment for everyone in the company from the CEO down. So what's wrong with Azizi's post, GUEST meself? She is just stating things as she sees them. Just making us aware of other's racism doesn't make her a racist. If she were, then she wouldn't be on Mudcat sharing her culture will all of us Honkies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Peace Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:54 PM Mike, I have zero respect for bankers. I wish they'd find honest work instead of shilling for bigger bankers. I have infinitely more respect for the man who takes the garbage away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Peace Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:50 PM Oy vey! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:31 PM Thanks, I don't think any of us ever thought of that before. Joining a kibbutz, that is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Mike Miller Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:26 PM Ok, here is why "cleaning lady", "dish washer", "ditch digger", clerk, and "menial" don't get the respect that "doctor","lawyer", :banker" do. Those first named positions are, as a rule, not the first choice of those who practice those trades. They are,for many, jobs that offer neither fulfillment nor wealth. It's not just the money, by the way. Artists are more respected because, even if they are not very successful, they are being fulfilled and their lives are rich. Of course, one can find fulfilment in menial work but most menial workers do it because it is the best paying job they could get. You want equal respect for all workers? Join a kibbutz, that's where you will find it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:59 PM And would someone else ask the question, "Was Riginslinger trying to sneak in a potentially-offensive joke by disguising it as a statement of disapproval of Imus?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Apr 07 - 08:25 PM Or Borat whatever his name is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Apr 07 - 08:00 PM Very likely, I'm afraid. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Riginslinger Date: 19 Apr 07 - 07:49 PM And would Imus ask the question: "Do the Sikhs keep their dust clothes on their heads, where it's handy?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Apr 07 - 05:43 PM At the airport in Calgary, the 'cleaning ladies' are Sikh men (or were the last time I was there). Doing an excellent job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 19 Apr 07 - 04:54 PM Take another look at Azizi's post of 18 Apr 07 - 08:06 AM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 19 Apr 07 - 04:37 PM I've just come back to this thread. I've tried to read everything posted since I last visited. Why does racism seem to come into everything? What's it got to do with cleaning ladies? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 19 Apr 07 - 04:19 PM I wasn't mentioned either. I'm not a racist in any sense of the word, unless tabloid journalists and gutter media hacks are officially a race. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 19 Apr 07 - 12:39 PM Well, meself, I wasn't included with the isn'ts, so maybe I'm the one that's left. This thread has wandered from topic to topic, so I might as well add to the stew. When did Rastus disappear from the mass circulation magazines such as Colliers, Saturday Evening Post, etc.? He was from the servant class as well, so maybe he belongs here. Aunt Jemima has survived, in her various forms, for over a century, but Rastus disappeared (Incidentally Aunt Jemima ceramic salt and pepper shakers and pitchers are much sought after by collectors). Rastus advertised Cream of Wheat, a cereal that continues on the market, but without an iconic figure. Here is the message from a full color full page Cream of Wheat adv. that appeared in 1921 in a magazine I have preserved. Rastus, a pleasantly smiling (unthreatening) black cook, is shown in chef's hat, white jacket and blue bow tie with little red figures. He is smiling, a small gap in his teeth, and holding a large school slate which bears this message, printed in chalk: "Maybe Cream of Wheat ain't got no vitamines. I don't know what them things is. If they's bugs they ain't none in Cream of Wheat but she's sho' good to eat and cheap. Costs 'bout 1 cent fo' a great big dish." signed, Rastus (Painting by Edw. V. Brewer for Cream of Wheat Co. Copyright 1921 by Cream of Wheat Co.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 19 Apr 07 - 09:24 AM "I'm not, and I know that katlaughing isn't, Sorcha isn't, Azizi definately isn't, Skipy isn't, Peace certainly isn't, so who did you mean exactly?" Well - that leaves me, I guess! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Azizi Date: 19 Apr 07 - 07:35 AM Correction- re the features of children born to interracial families, I should have said- "Or they have the features of another {or other} family members from either side or both sides of their family." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Azizi Date: 19 Apr 07 - 07:32 AM Sorcha, 'fear of large Black men" is deeply rooted in American culture. Perhaps your mother considered the large Black man who lived next door to your family to be an exception to the rule. Perhaps not. However, in my opinion that does not negate the fact that you and others-probably including the interracial couple and their children-found your mother to be a kind, gentle, caring soul. With regard to your mother's belief that if you had married and had children by a Black man, the children would not look like you- perhaps your mother's fear of large Black men made it difficult for her to see that regardless of the color of their skin, children born to interracial couples look like one or both of their parents. Or they have the features of another {or other} family members from either side of their family. Or-as is the case with children who are born to same race couples, sometimes the children just look like themselves. Some years ago, I remember seeing a movie called "The Last Starfighter". Perhaps it wasn't intended, but the point that I got from that movie was that life was like a video game. When you finally mastered one level of challenges to the extent that what you encounter ceases to be challenging anymore, a more difficult level pops up and you have to strive to master that level too. And so on and so on and so on until we reach the other side and perhaps have to work through even more levels. All that to say that I certainly will not judge what your mother learned or did not learn from this life. Best wishes, Azizi |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Rowan Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:03 AM Traditional practice in some groups of Australian indigenous people had it that a male wasn't adult unless he'd had his upper incisors "evulsed", ie knocked out, as part of his rite of passage from childhood. More visible, perhaps than circumcision or subincision, which was also practised. You weren't acceptable (read "beautiful") without the gap. On the original topic, Rutherford (the one instrumental in the development of atomic theory) once, famously, told one of his postgrad students "If you can't explain your research to the cleaning lady you don't understand it yourself." I've always regarded the story as a canard on cleaning ladies. As it happens, in post-WWII Oz we got lots of "Displaced Persons" from Europe and other refugees among our immigrants. Many were extremely well qualified in various fields but their qualifications were routinely dismissed unless they came from Oxbridge; none of them was called Werner von Braun. More than once, the story around physics departments was that a postgrad would be tearing their hair out trying to solve some intractable problem in the wee small hours and would be given a suggestion by the cleaner; the postgrad's supervisor would be informed about the suggestion, respond that it was "Brilliant" and ask how the student thought of it, to be told the cleaner had suggested it. Subsequent interview of the cleaner would reveal that he (occasionally "she") had been a leader in the field, pre War, in some Eastern European university. Now apocryphal, the story was probably true in one occasion and I've used it (and the Lord Rutherford one) routinely as reminders to students and academics alike. And I think I can refute any accusation of racism made by the uninformed, and even those made by the informed. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Bert Date: 19 Apr 07 - 01:13 AM ...Everyone posting on this thread is a racist... You've gotta be kidding! That is a stupid sweeping statement. In fact I don't know that anyone posting on this thread is a racist. I'm not, and I know that katlaughing isn't, Sorcha isn't, Azizi definately isn't, Skipy isn't, Peace certainly isn't, so who did you mean exactly? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:44 PM Nancy Green, the first Aunt Jemima. Born a slave, found as a 'cleaning lady,' signed a contract, featured at the World's Fair, Chicago, 1893. Her successors described here: Jemimas Now who was the joker who gap-toothed Jemima? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:23 PM Well, I just had a look at the photo of the gent on the gap-tooth site, and now I'm thinking that our smiling aunt may well be gap-toothed ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Sorcha Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:21 PM Thank you Zi, I agree. Whoever that is up there can go fly kites in his own wind. Maybe the gap between my mother's teeth explains why she and dad were each other's first, last and only for over 40 years til dad died? Smile...and my mom was one of the worlds kindest, gentlest, caring souls I've ever known and she said... 'You know, sis (to me) I never thought I was prejudiced, but when you were dating (a black man) I was terrified that you would marry him. I guess because then your babies wouldn't really ever look like your dad or me, or any others of our family.' She also told me once that she knew it was irrational but she was very afraid of black men, especially when meeting a large black man on the street, either daylight or dark, but mostly after dark. This, from a woman whose next door neighbors for years were a very large black man, his white wife and their two beautiful children. I didn't know any of this at that time...it was only years and years later that mom confessed. Ya gotta admit, she tried. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Peace Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:21 PM That post was in reference to Guest XXX. Off his meds and unable to spell his usual name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Peace Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:20 PM Maybe the management could find some way to prevent Guests from posting in BS? We all know who THIS fuckwit is, but why do we have to keep reading his terrible spelling, bad diction and poor humour? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:19 PM Oh, my, we're getting quite a few interesting comments this evening, aren't we? Okay, re: gap-toothed. It looks to me like the woman in the pic is actually MISSING a tooth, rather than just being gap-toothed. I could be wrong though. I'm also wondering if it just happens to be a photo of a box on which some kid with a marker blacked-out one of her teeth ... ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,XXX Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:08 PM Come OFF IT!!!!
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Azizi Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:50 PM Fwiw, here's some info on how people throughout the ages and in different cultures have considered gap teeth: "...Over the years I've heard different stories and tales about this trait: A gap in your teeth is the sign of Venus - the goddess of love! I've been told. Being gap-toothed was regarded as a sign of a strongly-sexed nature in the Middle Ages as told in The Wife of Bath's Prologue and Tale from "The Canterbury Tales" by Geoffrey Chaucer. In some African tribes having a gap in your front teeth was a sign of wisdom and in France they call it "les dents du bonheur" (teeth of happiness)! There was even a film made by Les Blank in 1987 called Gap-Toothed Women, which explores different connotations of gap-teeth such as a beauty mark or as a sign of an amorous nature. I've also heard that it's a sign of wealth, now, I don't know about that one! but, perhaps if we could ask some well known and not so well known gap-toothed celebrities they would agree." http://www.luckygap.co.uk/ {a website for folks with gaps in their front teeth} -snip- The good thing about not using only one standard of physical beauty is that folks don't have to agree on what constitutes beauty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,XXX Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:49 PM In necessity the "NEWS" was always available.
The standard of USA preference Sear's Roebuck Catalogue was usually, the article at hand.
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:40 PM Um ... that's an interesting comment, GUEST ... Okay, let's move on. Who's next? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:36 PM Shit woman .... You either make the news Or...youse read the news.
Get Over It ...or get therapy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: GUEST,meself Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:26 PM And they're both fine looking women. I guess I must have that "multicultural approach to physical beauty", because I'd say so is this one. And this one too, even if her dental work isn't up to modern standards. (Here's after a trip to the dentist). |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Apr 07 - 08:57 PM Gwen Ifill Current Aunt Jemima and here's another on corn meal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Azizi Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:21 PM There's a lot of Black women who look like the drawing of Aunt Jemima that is on the pancake mix. And, with a multicultural approach to physical beauty, these full figured dark skinned Black women can be considered just as beautiful as slender White women with blond hair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Donuel Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:31 PM The president of Iran reminds me of Bush |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:30 PM Next time you are in the grocery store, look at the modern Aunt Jemima on the pancake mix of that name (it won (2006) the Chefs Best taste award. Excellent for waffles, too. She also is pictured on Aunt Jemima syrup. Quaker Oats Products. The picture reminds me of Gwen Ifel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 'cleaning lady' as insult From: Donuel Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:40 PM Everyone posting on this thread is a racist. That is perfectly OK The Imus incident allows the topic of racism to surface in a national dialog. Even if you have not written anything resembling a racist attitude or opinion, if you are white in this country you have had certain silent allowances and lattitudes that black people are not priviledged to have. For that reason alone, those of us who do not consider ourselves racist are still compliant in racism even when we are not aware of it. |
