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Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador

Jim Lad 18 Apr 07 - 12:38 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 12:38 PM

I'm hoping some of you will point me to your favourite songs of Newfoundland & Labrador.
Not even a little bit interested in "Great Big Sea".
Anything in the public domain is what I'm after.
Thank You in advance.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 12:44 PM

Dare's dis here'n, Jim, me ol' trout: a great big whack of songs (GEST Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador).

http://nfldsongs.tripod.com/ (Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:01 PM

Thank You my son! I will use that as a resource. I am really interested in hearing what folks' individual favourites are though.
Tickle Cove Pond, Lights of Labrador & Star of Logy Bay are the style I'm after.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:20 PM

Well then:

Kelligrew's Soiree
The Ryans & The Pittmans (We'll Rant & We'll Roar)
Squid-jiggin' Ground
The Old Polina
Aunt Martha's Sheep
Sweet Forget-Me-Not
The Badger Drive
Get Your Duds in Order
Old Brown's Daughter
Feller From Fortune (Bonavist Harbour)
I's de B'y
Tiny Red Light (not a favourite of mine, but very popular)
Sonny's Dream (!)
Jack Was Every Inch a Sailor
Take Me Back to Cape St. Mary's

Well, there's a start off the top o' me noggin. I loiks'm all. A few not in the public domain: Tiny Red Light?, Sonny's Dream, Aunt Martha's Sheep?, Cape St. Mary's? I'd check those ones.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:24 PM

She's Like the Swallow.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:25 PM

Check out Amber Music, with Anita Best, Pamela Morgan, Emile Benoit, many more...check out O'Brien's Music store in St. John's if it is still around...mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:26 PM

The composer of Cape St. Mary is still alive. (or at least he was a couple of years ago) The list is good.
What I'm looking for is, if somebody asked you "What's your favourite?" what would you say?
You're not getting out of here 'til you or someone gets it right.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: beetle cat
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:41 PM

http://www.mun.ca/folklore/leach/songs/NFLD.htm
That is a link to Macedward Leach's collection of Newfoundland songs, there are audio clips of the field recordings as well... pretty darn cool.

As for my personal favorite, it is really hard to say. There are just so many songs here in NL.

Did Ron Hynes write Sonny's dream? I know that some contemp NL singer did. Dick Nolan and Ellis Coles wrote Aunt Martha's Sheep. I guess that is the way of it though, if you go writing folksongs, you cant really expect to get credit for them. They are so commonly accepted as trad now that issues of public domain are questionable.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: beetle cat
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:43 PM

Jim, is there just one correct answer?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:45 PM

Try
http://www.mun.ca/folklore/leach/songs/index.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:46 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 01:50 PM

Did Ron Hynes write Sonny's dream? Yes.
I want to put 4 Newoundland/Labrador songs on my next album. I can get my hands on any number of lists. So now I want to know what folks would like to hear.
"if you go writing folk songs, you cant really expect to get credit for them."....... Beetle Cat: I thinks I loves you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:03 PM

Well, we aren't familiar with your musical style, although I knowyou have put some stuff up...

The Badger Drive is a great song. Petty Harbor Bait Skiff..I have almost never heard that sung but tune is beautfiul. Maybe one of the Ocean Ranger songs..

Oh great one...about towing the houses to St. Lawrence...Ennis Sisters? mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:07 PM

It's 'Out from St Leonards' mg.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:10 PM

It's a very short hop from my stuff (traditional Scots and Irish) to the music of Newfoundland & Labrador. I understand perfectly that most of you don't know my style. Not a problem. I promise not to hurt the songs. I think I've heard the one about moving the house but it's a bit foggy, right now.
Any more favourites, anyone?
I'll be taking notes.
Cheers.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: beetle cat
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:17 PM

Are you the Terry McDonald from MUN who ran for VP internal? Somehow, I didn't expect you to be a mudcatter


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:35 PM

Sorry, Beetle Cat, I'm not that one, thought I do know of him. I've several friends at MUN, in the History and Folklore Departments. I'm in Poole, Dorset.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:41 PM

Feeling a little better now, Jim? Having given your request considerable thought, I put my vote in for Northern Lights of Labrador - it's a beautiful song that deserves a wider audience.

Having said that - I don't know if it's public domain; it's a fairly modern song.

"The composer of Cape St. Mary is still alive. (or at least he was a couple of years ago)" -

I believe he's been gone for good while now, Jim ... I think time's starting to slip away on you ...

I can't really choose among those others I listed; they're all great songs.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:46 PM

The T.V. did a short piece on him on his birthday while I was still living in Margaree or shortly after. So it can't be more than 2 or 3 years.
Thanks.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 03:20 PM

I like your choice, Meself. Why are you a guest?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 03:47 PM

Because I don't like to make my own tea!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 03:52 PM

Good one!
Still looking for "Favourites" here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 04:08 PM

I just did a little googling, and - you have no idea how it pains me to say this - but, with the greatest reluctance, I begrudgingly admit, that this time, and this time only, it looks like, apparently, Jim Lad may seemingly be almost right, and I, this time and this time only, may possibly, and quite uncharacteristically, be, if not wrong, not wholly fasitidiously correct, in the pedantic sense of word. It does seemingly appear that the composer of Let Me Fish Off Cape St. Mary's, Otto Kelland, passed away in the summer of 2004.

Incidentally, I once heard a recording of a "singing cowboy" - I believe it was Gene Autry - on the radio doing a song to that same melody. Kelland claimed to have composed the tune and is given credit for it, so whether the tune made it to Hollywood or whether it is actually an older tune that Kelland thought he wrote, or whether he unconsciously got it from that same cowboy recording - who knows?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Beer
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 04:22 PM

Hard Times (maybe it is called "And it's a Hard Time")as sung by Ron Hynes.
Grey Foggy Day by ?
No Change in Me.Ron Hynes
My Old Home by ?
No More Fish, No Fisherman
Sea People
Saint John's by Glenn Simmons.

Short list of the ones me likes.
Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 04:41 PM

Thanks Adrien:
             Know what? They're all great. I'll just tick off my own favourites, one at a time, until I have four good public domain, Newfoundland & Labrador songs.
Thanks again.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 04:42 PM

"And It's Hard, Hard Times" (don't know if RH gives it that title)
Sea People is by Alisdair MacGillvary


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 04:42 PM

West County?? Lady by Dermot O'Reilly..he is from Ireland but it is a great song about a Newfoundland woman.   He just recently died...RIP. mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 05:03 PM

Ah yes. I know some of his friends who couldn't make it to the funeral due to stormy weather.
You know, this music awakens the same passion in me that my own traditional music does. It's not just the borrowed tunes either. More the simplicity of the words and arrangements and the plain, honest delivery of the whole package. I love the stuff.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Beer
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:11 PM

Hi Jim.
Excuse my ignorance but I just found out who you are by going to your thread titled "Spring Cleaning". I sang "The Hills of Margaree" last month to my mother. My sister from N.S. introduced it to me a few years back when I was home for a visit. Absolutely love the way you sing and put feeling into a great simple song. Incidentally, my ancestors are from the Maragree Valley.

Later tonight I will dig out my Maritime song collection and go over them more carefully now that I can put a voice to the music you wish to do.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:19 PM

Who's your sister? and did we not go over this before or was it two other people?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Beer
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 06:53 PM

My sister's name is Judy from a small village called West Chezzetcook N.S. And no, I don't think we went over this before. Mind you I have been told that I'm getting forgetful.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 07:12 PM

That would be off the main highway I suppose. I've never been into West Chezzetcook. Now didn't you tell me the last names of your relatives in Cape Breton? Aucoin or something? or Doucette?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 07:18 PM

O'Coyne? Now that would be from County Clare, I suppose ...

(as Denis Ryan once said to me ol' bandmate).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 07:21 PM

That's good so, you're not losing it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 09:53 AM

The Newfoundland song on my daily playlist right now is Great Big Sea (the song, not the band)--not widely recorded and a very nifty little song. Georgie Snooks is going to find married life exciting but not easy, I think. Also hard to find on CD (in my collection anyway) is Newfoundland's national dance tune Mussels In The Corner done as a song. I think maybe Newfoundlanders regard it as too hackneyed to record.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:07 AM

"I think maybe Newfoundlanders regard it as too hackneyed to record."

Although, any version I've heard consists mainly of a string of jibes at baymen, so that may have something to do with why it doesn't get recorded much ... Being hackneyed does not seem to slow down "I's de B'y"!

Another good old timer is Lukey's Boat (NOT the GBS version) ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:22 AM

I love the old version.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:23 AM

(GBS = George Bernard Shaw, of course. His humour gets a little too subtle).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:50 AM

One of your finer contributions, Meself.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Vinland
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:38 AM

Jim,

I assume you'd like to have a few lesser known Nfld ballads. My personal favourites are 'The Green Shores of Fogo', 'The Blooming Bright Star of Belle Isle' (this song was recorded by Bob Dylan back in the 70s, though he added his own melody), 'Maid of Newfoundland', 'Petty Harbour Bait Skiff' (I prefer it shortened to 6 verses), 'Pride of the Season', The Greenland Disaster', and 'The Emigrant from Newfoundland' and 'She's Like the Swallow' (hardly lesser know but still worth recording).

At the risk of self-promotion, all these songs are available in my 'Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador' series of songbooks (www.vinlandmusic.ca) except 'The Blooming Bright Star of Belle Isle' which I plan to have in the next collection.

There are lots of fine songs being written in Nfld all the time which you would probably like, but I assume you want to avoid the hassles of optaining copyright clearance, etc.

BTW the melody of "Let Me Fish Off Cape St. Mary's" appears to be based on an American song from the 30s called "The Hills of Wyoming". In any case, the melody seems to me to be derived from the British ballad 'Barbera Allen'. That's the folk process I guess...

Eric


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: bubblyrat
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 12:33 PM

My favourite is "Squid -Jigging Ground "----I first heard it in 1965, in the "Half Moon " in Yeovil, sung by excellent duo, " Terry and Allan " . Terry was naval test-pilot Lt.Cmdr. Terry Kemp, whilst Allan was a corporal in the RAF. They specialised in stuff like that, that was really lesser-known, and God bless "em for it !! I wonder where they are today ??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 01:11 PM

I think "Squid Jiggin' Ground" is copy right. I looked yesterday and I do like the song. Copy rights is what I want to avoid but still want to do songs with which Newfoundlanders can identify and also bring these songs to others. Great Big Sea is to Newfoundland Music what The Pogues are to Irish music. I can't turn it around after they've messed with it.
I am following all leads and am glad to find that many of these songs come with midi files.
The Lights of Labrador & The Northern Lights of Labrador. Two different songs or am I screwing up again?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 01:25 PM

I assume we're talking about the same song ("I've travelled far, by the northern star,/From the day that I was born;/From the Caribbean to New Orleans,/I've been inclined to roam", etc.). As far as I know, the person that wrote it is living, but whether it was ever copyrighted (copywrote?) I don't know.

"Squid-jiggin' Ground" was written by Vernon Scannell, when he was fifteen, as a school assignment. He became a journalist, and I believe died sometime in the past thirty years.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 01:33 PM

http://vinlandmusic.ca/


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Vinland
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:00 PM

'The Northern Lights of Labrador' was written by Don Fulford, whom I believe is still alive. The song was popularized by the singing duo Corey and Trina back in the 70s.

The 'Squid-Jiggin' Ground' was written by A.R. Scammell of Change Islands. He went on to become a university professor and writer. The tune of the song is public domain (it's based on the Irish fiddle tune 'Larry O'Gaff') but the lyrics are still copyright.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:04 PM

A.R. Scammell vs. Vernon Scannell; professor vs. jounrnalist - witness the folk-process in action!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: bubblyrat
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:38 PM

Reminds me of that Cyril Sharke bloke what collected folk-songs !!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:42 PM

Wasn't his name Cyrus Sharpey - and didn't he collect bottle-caps?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Beer
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 10:34 PM

Hi Jim.
Here are a few more tunes that I thought you might want to consider.
The Rocks of Merasheen
Comforts of Home ( Buddy Whatshisname..)
Raw Material
Where did Old Yesterday Go
My Old Home
The Government Game (as sung to the tune of Patriot Game.)


I hope you don't mine because I'm going to add 3 others which are not Newfoundland songs but never the less one's that i think your voice would fit well with. Maybe you could look at them if you decide on a further project.
Cape Breton Home
Annapolis valley
Peter Emberley
Frozen Charlotte


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:45 AM

I don't know enough to have a favourite, but Bay Of Fundy is a good song.
@displaysong.cfm?SongID=542


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Hawker
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:52 AM

My favourites are 'Sweet forget me not' and 'She's like a swallow', though I admit I dont know too many.
Cheers, Lucy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: oldhippie
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 07:35 AM

Phyllis Morrissey's "Woman Of The Island".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Beer
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:17 AM

Is Sweet Forget Me Not a Newfoundland song? One of my favorites as well.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: beetle cat
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 12:20 PM

Hey all, this is a little off topic, but for anyone who is in the St. John's area on the last Thursday of any month, you should stop by the Crow's Nest for the ballad session. It is a great place to learn some lesser known NL songs, and share some of your own. It starts at 8:00.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM

I've got a question about "The Ryans & the Pittmans (We'll Rant & We'll Roar)", resulting from a disagreement on another thread about one phrase - I'd be particularly interested to hear from any Newfoundlanders (Terry McDonald, are you out there?) ... but any of you feel welcome to "throw in a boot", so to speak.

Here's the line in question: "I can dance, I can sing, I can reef the main boom."

That's the way I've always sung it, always heard it sung, and always seen it printed.

Kendall says that the phrase should be "walk the main boom" - because "reef the main boom" does not make sense.

So I'm curious as to whether anyone - again, Newfoundlanders in particular - are familiar with the lyric as "walk the main boom" rather than "reef the main boom".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Murray on Salt Spring
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 02:15 PM

Re "The Ryans & the Pittmans" - I asked a long time since about the title, where do the Ryans come in? They don't figure in the song at all. But answer came there none. Any ideas???


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 02:18 PM

Nope - it must be "wrong". Also, since there is really only one "Pittman", it should be called "The Pittman".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:19 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MpGZd6sYUCQ

Here is a youtube of a young Newfoundland woman (I presume) singing West COuntry Lady by D. O'Reilly. I hope someone discovers her and puts her ina festival or something..I really like the way she sings although teh sound quality is not good here. mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:24 PM

meself - yes, I'm here, but a bit wary of you since you got ratty with me re Glencoe........ I'll have a ponder about your question and get back to you. I'm only half Newfoundland(ic?)but know the province (ex-Dominion)pretty well and have published a couple of articles on its music.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:38 PM

Re: "reef the main boom", JtS (Mudcatter Jack the Sailor, from Bay Roberts) says "reef the main boom" is how he's always known it. He also says The Ryans and the Pittmans is his favorite of the ones fully in the public domain. He says Cape St. Mary's is his favorite of those that are considered trad but not fully in the public domain.

My favorite is Ode to Newfoundland.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:51 PM

meself - my immediate thought was to think of the Robin and Barry Dransfield song (from A.L.Lloyd) 'Talcahuano Girls' which has the same tune and similar lyrics, and where it's 'I can dance, I can sing, I can walk the jib boom' - I always assumed that it referred to the tricky business of walking along a spar in (probably) dangerous conditions.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: kendall
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:51 PM

Not sure if it is a Newfoundland song or some other Maritime song, but my favorite is titled The Wheelhouse Door.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:02 PM

I just looked for 'reef' in the Dictionary of Newfoundland English (no mention of it there). It's possible that reef is a variation of 'reeve' [v1 naut 1 'to pass (a rope) through a hole', b 'to thrust or pass (a rod, etc) through any aperture'], and if that's the case, reef the main boom can make sense. Or it could be one of the many lines in Newfoundland songs that are not intended to make any sense (being intended as nonsense lines).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:05 PM

I just asked JtS, and he said he thinks it means to put the sheet on the main boom (or to prepair the sail somehow on the main boom).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: MMario
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:07 PM

Reef v.
1: lower and bring partially inboard, as of a mast on a
          sailboat
2: roll up (a portion of a sail) in order to reduce its area
3: reduce (a sail) by taking in a reef


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:11 PM

LOL

Looks like 'reef' is a perfectly applicable nautical term...


http://www.sailingusa.info/weather_and_reefing.htm#Reefing%20the%20sails


Reefing the sails   (   Go To Top ) ( Go Back ) When to reef, is a difficult question to answer, since it depends upon the size and stability of your boat. You should consider reefing if your boat is heeling excessively, your crew in uneasy or if you are expecting high winds. If you think about reefing it is best to reef. It should be remembered that it is much easier to reef in the sails at the dock and then if unneeded to un-reef the sails, than it is to reef the sails under high-wind conditions.

    Steps in Reefing:

    1) Loosen the boom vang. You may also need to loosen the mainsail's sheets, if the mainsail is tethered securely in the midline.
    2) Loosen the halyard and carefully lower the mainsail just enough to allow the reefing cringle (grommet) at the sail's luff to be secured to the boom.
    3) Secure the reefing cringle (grommet), forming a new tack. If you are in a high wind situation and need to secure the reefing cringle to a reefing hock or horn, placing a long piece of hard foam in the cringle will help hold it on the hook or horn while you are tightening the mainsail's halyard.
    4) Tighten the jiffy reefing line, securing the reefing cringle (grommet) at the sail's leach, forming a new clew.
    5) Tighten the boom vang.
    6) If possible, secure the reefing lines below the below the foot of the sail and above the boom--see picture below:


-etc.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:11 PM

Crossposted with you, MMario.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:17 PM

Terry - Good to hear from you - Wait! That's not a belaying pin you've got there, is it?

Okay, so we've got "walk" in a variant song. Kendall - I didn't think to ask where you got "walk" - was it from a version of Ryans & Pittmans that you learned, was it from a variant such as 'Talcahuano Girls', or was it your own emendation?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:27 PM

Thanks, Carol (we cross-posted too).

"he thinks it means to put the sheet on the main boom (or to prepair the sail somehow on the main boom)" -

I was thinking along those lines; it seems plausible if I understand the other stuff correctly.

"Or it could be one of the many lines in Newfoundland songs that are not intended to make any sense (being intended as nonsense lines)."

I don't think so, since everything else in the verse makes sense - unless it was a sly hint that Bob Pittman isn't quite the seaman he claims to be (see Jamie Snider's post on the "When I First Came to Caledonia" thread), but that seems inconsistent with the rest of the song.

(Jim: Sorry for the thread hijack - I just thought this would be a good place to find some Nfldrs and nautical types).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: kendall
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 10:40 PM

meself, I learned that from one of the best sailors I know. Gordon Bok.
It looks to me like it just might be a nonsense verse. If it was written by a sailor, that is probably the answer. However, I still couldn't sing "reef the main boom".
It would require a very sure footing to walk the main boom, and I sure as hell wouldn't try it cold sober, let alone if I was "three sheets to the wind."

Carol C, that video was very interesting but I'm afraid it also contains a glaring mistake. You do not FLAKE the sail. You FAKE it, as you do with a hawser.
A flake is a small platform that is lowered over the side for seamen to stand or sit on to paint or calk the seams.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:04 AM

This article has links to lyrics and notes for pretty well all of the older songs that have been mentioned in this thread: wiki article..

Apparently "The Night That Paddy Murphy Died" was among the many written by Johnny Burke ... Now there's a great old song, Jim - if a little grisly ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:08 AM

And this one has a few that aren't on wiki.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 03:00 AM

Guest,meself, the context doesn't have to be consistently nonsense in order for there to be a nonsense line. Newfoundlanders like to keep people on their toes. (I know... I'm married to one.)

;-)

JtS thinks it's also possible that the term 'reef' was used as a bit of poetic license because it sounded good in that line, even if it's not the most accurate word to use in that context. Newfoundlanders love to play and have fun with the sounds of words. And that song is definitely sung for the fun of it, rather than something that is intended to be taken seriously.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: kendall
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 07:21 AM

And, few land lubbers would know or care that "reef the main boom" is pure nonsense.

There was a story titled "Wake of the Red Witch". The Captain used to show off by walking the taff rail. I wonder if there is a connection?

Come to think of it, I've heard someone sing, " a howler o'er the TOP rail, which is incorrect. It is TAFF rail.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 07:45 AM

"Newfoundlanders like to keep people on their toes. (I know... I'm married to one.)" "Newfoundlanders love to ... "

Yes, I have known one or two in my day ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:14 PM

Just dropped in to check this particular thread. It is going exactly as I'd hoped. The songs, most mentioned, are the ones most likely to be truly representative of Newfoundland & Labrador.
I would absolutely love to do "Let Me Fish Off Cape St. Mary's" but will not touch it if it involves
Copyrights". If anyone knows for sure, please pass it on.
I'll be using my own "Highway of Tears" which I have discovered, fits nicely into the "Rocks of Bawn" with one extra line that comes out as a slow mournful chant. This will set the mood for the whole album. Basically, a number of A-Capella songs, interspersed with some good ould "Newfie" numbers.
"Tickle Cove Pond" & "Star of Logy Bay" still sit high on the list but I have not finished going through all of your suggestions.

TERRY: Meself is okay. He has a sense of humour (Like my own) and can be easily misinterpreted. Put him on probation.
As for "Reef the main boom"? If they'll kiss the cod, they'll smoke anything.
Keep it going if you will. I'll be signing out for the day.
Thanks.
Jim.

p.s. I've lined up an accordionist.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:16 PM

And "Cape Breton Lullaby" for my second home!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:37 PM

Oh alright, Jim, I'll take your word for it! Has anyone mentioned 'The Islander'? I have it from a St John's duo called Shanty, (Joe Tompkins and Blackie O'Leary)and they only use a bodhran to accompany it. Its chorus starts 'Im a Newfoundlander born and bred, and I'll be one 'til I die, I'm proud to be an islander, and here's the reason why..........'

Also, there's a Joe Tompkins song that I think would suit you called 'The Banks of the River Grand' which he wrote about his family's emigration from Margaree, Cape Breton to the Cordroy Valley, Newfoundland in the late 19th century. I think it's beautiful and fondly imagine that I'm the only person this side of the Atlantic to sing it. Both songs are on their 'Crest of a Wave' album.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: mg
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 02:04 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7owIVgPves0&mode=related&search=

a nice band...to me this is almost perfect music...m


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 02:31 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7owIVgPves0&mode=related&search=

Excellent. The footwork looks to be Acadian. I've watched the Acadians around Margaree & Cheticamp accompany their songs with this foot tapping style. Much the same as the Celts do with a Bodhran, only a little more polished.
Now I'm really gone.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: mg
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 03:01 PM

imagine what they would be like with a couple of beers in them...mg


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: mg
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 03:09 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hva9vnqkyYs&mode=related&search=

click

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MpGZd6sYUCQ

singer
this is the young lady mentioned above


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 03:21 PM

One of my very favourite acts in the world is Christina Smith and Jean Hewson from St Johns. Stunning vocals, top guitar playing and fiddle/cello to beak your heart.

Jean and Christina's website

I've covered their version of Lady In the East, which came from Kenneth Peacock's Songs of the Newfoundland Outports (National Museum of Canada 1965), and they do a magnificent version of Pride of the Season (which Mary and Anahata also do). Oh and their version of I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry is simply stunning.

Both albums Like Ducks and August Gale are brilliant.

Tom


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: kendall
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 03:22 PM

I couldn't hear her well at all. The guitar was way too loud.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Vinland
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 07:31 PM

Jean and Christina are wonderful teachers, besides being fine musicians. They teach every year at our music camp in Gros Morne (http://vinlandmusic.ca/html/music_camp.html). This years's is August 19-25. It's great way to learn some Nfld songs and tunes. Carol C, we even have a few piano accordion players every year now.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 08:16 PM

Jim If you are not the least bit interested in Great Big Sea you ARE AN IDIOT!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 08:39 PM

Ok perhaps that was not quite what I should have said.
If you are interested in Traditional Newfoundland music and are not the least bit interested in Great Big Sea you are an ignorant bone head. There thats better! If I could edit my previous post I would.
As for public domain, a large part of GBS's repitoir is just that, and I can't think of who else has recorded versions of all of these... Old Brown's Daughter, Excursion Around The Bay, Tickle Cove Pond, Jack Hinks, The Jolly Butcher, Feller from Fortune, Regarding Charlie Horse, Great Big Sea (Hove In Long Beach) Recruiting Seargent, General Taylor, Donkey Riding, River Driver, Graceful & Charming, Ferryland Sealer, The Night Pat Murphy Died, Rant & Roar, Lukey's Boat.
Not intersted in GBS , you should be! DUH!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 08:55 PM

Oh, dear ... a Great Big Sea fan ... and if what he says is true, they've left nary a traditional song untouched ... You may have to modify your criteria, Jim ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:08 PM

Ok I'm the ignorant bone head, sorry. I admit to being a rabid fan. I know GBS is a wonderful band (esp live) and bring NF music to people who had never heard it before, like...ME!

But how much can you change a trad tune when you sing it Acapella?
OLd Brown's Daughter
Donkey Riding
Excursion around the Bay
How did the change Feller from Fortune?

Can you please point me to the "Way it should be played" versions of some of the songs I listed? I realy would be interested, and wait to be educated.
And who plays a tune just exactly like the last guy who played it?


Whack Fall The Day
Nick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,NIck
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:22 PM

Oh boy I should just go to bed! I deeply regret Mudcat does not allow us to edit our posts, I have a few things I would LOVE to retract, never to be read again...

I's The By
John Barbour
Hanging Johhny
Trois Naviers De Ble
Captain Wedderburn
I'm A rover
The Old Polina
Jolly Roving Tar

...all public domain
All part of the NF musical tradition, if not all originaly from there

Whack Fall The Day


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: kendall
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:25 PM

Personal attacks and name calling are not welcome here.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:37 PM

Yep, as I said I wish I could edit my post. I do apologise, If admin would take them off the board I would understand, esp the first one.
As for the second they would edit out bonehead and put Traditonal Newfoundland Music Fan in it's place, but please leave ignorant, as that is just a comment on the information one has been exposed to.
I do come in enough so I hope it is known I am beter behaved most of the time. Sorry threadmates, sorry Jim.

Nick


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 09:41 PM

It's okay, Nick - you're a fan (remember: from "fanatic"). You've been moved and delighted by Great Big Sea, and you'll repay the favour by defending them against all comers. It speaks well of you - you're the kind of man I want beside me in a barroom brawl.

However - please try to understand: GBS introduced you to Nfld music - while some of us were singing and playing this stuff before those lively lads were born - and we have our notions, honed over many years, of what sounds good and what doesn't, in that vein of music. Doesn't mean we're right - but we think we are!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 10:01 PM

Meself..ty
And as I said, I would love to be steered to versions of the songs I mentioned that you feel are either better or the way it should be played, and who the people were that played them. Did they record them?. I would also be interested in what you find (off - wrong- not quite the way it should be) about the way GBS plays them, too much this, not enough that, got the beat wrong etc.
My only real access to this music other than GBS is to listen to CJYQ over my computer. Do you know of any other good sorces on the internet? (Other than ordering from Fred's Records?)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 10:14 PM

Next I wonder if in your mind Did GBS get anything right? Any of their versions of Trad songs get a passing grade? Any of the stuff they wrote appeal to you at all?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Beer
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 11:04 PM

While your discussing GBS and their arrangements of traditional music. How about "The Fables" and a few of their arranging of Feller From Fortune and Jolly Rovin Tar two name a few. Pretty damn good stuff to me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 12:05 AM

I'm hesitant to actually criticize GBS, because they have a number of firm fans here, and I don't want to end up in a big knock'm-down, drag'm-out donnybrook ... Nor do I want to have to give elaborate explanations and defences of every unfavourable comment I might make. But just to give you an idea: I find them 'way "over the top". The songs get lost in all the frenzy. The songs don't need all the hollering and jumping around and loud guitar - in fact, it diminishes them. But for anyone who enjoys all that, go ahead - some people like Baby Duck wine; some prefer Chateau Mouton Rothschild. (Okay, I had to google for that).

As for who else you might listen to ... well, first off, there's a guy who I don't think has actually recorded any Newfoundland songs yet, but I understand he's about to record four of his favourites. One Jim Brannigan by name. A bit of a quare one, but ... here he is!

Others:

A Crowd of Bold Shareman
Irish Descendants
Figgy Duff
Ryan's Fancy (Irishmen, but very popular in Nfld)
Jim Payne
Kelly Russell
Harry Hibbs
Buddy Whassisname & the Other Fellas (largely comedy now, but their trad. recordings are top-notch)
Omar Blondahl
Anita Best
Pamela Morgan

That's a starter list; there are lots more. I'll add them as I think of them. I'm not saying that I like everything that each recorded, but they've all got some good stuff. I'll see if I can find some links ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 12:50 AM

Thanks for the heads up, Vinland. Sounds like a wonderful music camp.


I second the vote for Buddy Wasisname. Here's a YouTube of some of their stuff (there's some good trad music about three pieces in, and a fine performance by Kevin Blackmore on the baghran)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Lo4T8V6G0&mode=related&search=

I'd also put Minnie White in the list.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Leadfingers
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 05:54 AM

Sorry but I can no longer resist - Newfoundlands and Labradors - Should this be in the Sporting Dogs thread ??

OK - I'll get my coat !


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 09:32 AM

I seem to be having trouble with the blue clickies, so I just put one link on ... these kids are on the right track all right - give this a listen and then follow some of the links and do some exploring; you'll find some other good stuff: General Taylor

All I know of them is what I've seen on Youtube, but they seem to have a great little scene going on.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 09:42 AM

Away up the thread somewhere, someone asked for this song, called "The Islander" (I'm a Newfoundlander born and bred ... ).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Beer
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 09:50 AM

Thanks for that one Meself. Those boys are good already. What a possible great career ahead of them.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:01 PM

Still Looking:
Good Morning all! from the drizzly Highlands.
Jim.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 02:00 PM

Pretty Sneaky, Leadfingers!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 May 07 - 03:13 PM

Terry MacDonald: I'm trying to figure out whether Barry Taylor wrote or gathered "She's Like the Swallow". I've only read the lyrics and listened to the midi file but have immediately fallen in love with the song.
Coincidentally; His Web-Site contains most of the songs that will be going on this album.
Must be a great person to have such excellent taste in music.
Good Afternoon All.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 May 07 - 03:31 PM

The information given = "This is a Canadian tune which originated in the coast of eastern Canada. There are English variations, but the tune may have originated in Newfoundland." Given the East Coast habit of substituting "Song" with "Tune", I'm guessing that the author is unknown but will sit here waiting to be educated by one of yous.
Cheers.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 03 May 07 - 07:08 PM

With regard to the origins of "She's Like The Swallow", Neil Rosenberg's notes to volume one of Vinland's collection "Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador", mentioned by himself in this thread on April 19, state that the song "was was first collected in 1930 from John Hunt of Placentia by English folksong scholar Maud Karpeles, who published it in 1934 along with a piano setting by her brother-in-law, the famous composer Ralph Vaughn Williams."
Edith Fowke's notes to "The Penguin Book Of Canadian Folk Songs" identify the song as "a distinctive Newfoundland variant of a large family of songs about unhappy love of which 'A Brisk Young Sailor', 'Must I Go Bound', and 'Died For Love' . . . are the best known." She refers to affinities with a 17C song and an unpublished song collected by Cecil Sharp.
Jim Lad, I am sending you a PM.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 May 07 - 07:42 PM

Thanks Bob the Postman (if that's your real name).
What a gem it is!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 03 May 07 - 09:40 PM

Vinland: Thank You very much for first pointing this one out.
Bob: The mp3 is perfect. An A Capella version, much slower than what I heard on the midi file. Either way would be great.
So I'll do "The Star of Logy Bay" & "She's Like the Swallow" for Newfoundland & Labrador and still leaning towards "Cape Breton Lullaby" for that dear island.
Thank you all. This has been extremely worthwhile.
Jim.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 May 07 - 08:25 PM

Here you go, Meself: I knew this fellow wasn't long gone....



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NLIS 2
July 9, 2004
(Tourism, Culture and Recreation)
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Minister extends condolences to the family of the late Otto Kelland

Tourism, Culture and Recreation Minister Paul Shelley today offered condolences to the family of the late Otto Kelland who passed away yesterday at the age of 99.

"Otto Kelland will always be remembered for his incredible contribution to Newfoundland and Labrador culture, " said Minister Shelley. "Mr. Kelland wrote the beautiful song Let Me Fish off Cape St. Mary's in 1947, and it has been recognized and enjoyed worldwide as a true Newfoundland classic. I express my sincere condolences to his family and friends and assure them that Mr. Kelland's legend will continue to live on for centuries."

Otto Kelland was born in Lamaline in 1904 and spent his working life as a policeman and later warden and superintendent at Her Majesty's Penitentiary. He was also an accomplished author with several books, songs and poems to his credit. He is most famous for the legendary ballad, Let me Fish off Cape St. Mary's.

Media Contact: Tansy Mundon, Communications, (709) 729-0928

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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 07 May 07 - 12:17 AM

Yeah, I know; I mentioned that 'way back "Date: 18 Apr 07 - 04:08 PM" (look up - look 'WAY up) ...

(Greetings from Georgia - yes, I finally got here ... ).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 07 May 07 - 01:01 AM

That's what I was responding to, Bud. I guess a good while is a couple of years to you then. I'm going to look through some more of these suggestions tonight. Terry mentioned "She's Like the Swallow" way back up there and it took me forever to have a look at it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: bebop
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 09:56 AM

My son, a journalist in Islamabad, was idly browsing and put my name in the internet. He came up with the reference from 'bubblyrat' re 'Squid Jigging Time'. Bubblyrat wonered whay happened to 'Terry & Alan' residents at the Yeovil Folk Club in the 1960's. I am the Terry half and have sadly lost contact with Alan who was a music teacher in the NE England the last I heard.
We teamed up at the club after Alan recognised me from a TV BBC Wales folk program called 'Hob y derry dando'. We got on really well together Alan had a great voice and we did the Sidmouth folk festival and various others around the West country. The Newfoundland songs were favourites of mine I picked up and LP somewhere which 20 great songs. I think it is in my ex-wife's home in Cornwall !! I was resident at that great club 'The Count House' at Bottalick (?) near St Just. That was the days of Ralph McTell Brenda Wooton, John the Fish & Tell Mann ( I had an e-mail from J the F quite recently) It was my favourite venue.
Alan & I were offered a contract to record under George Martin in 1967 but I had been accepted as a pilot with BOAC and with regret had to give up the singing . Probably a wise decision. I think that we were doing updated versions of trad. songs just before Steeleye Span & Fairport Convention I still play in private and follow both the folk $ Jazz scenes closely. They were good days.
Regards to 'bubblyrat' - whoever he or she maybe.
Terr Kemp


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 11:33 AM

Click on "pm" by Bubblyrat's name and you can communicate directly.
That was an excellent update. Do stick around.
Jim


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,Terry McDonald
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 12:34 PM

Jim - did you ever find the song I mentioned called 'The Banks of the River Grand?' It's probably too late now, but I think it's worth a listen and it's composer Joe Tompkins told me that, as far as he knew, only one other person had recorded it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 12:43 PM

"That's what I was responding to, Bud. I guess a good while is a couple of years to you then." -

I know it's been a couple of months, but I just read this now, and I gather by your sarcastic response that I didn't express myself clearly enough in the post in question. What I was trying to say in what was supposed to be a hilariously ironic way, is that you were right and I was wrong. Satisfied?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: GUEST,joelle adlerblum
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 09:58 PM

looking for lyrics to "She's like a swallow that flies so high" in Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador. Would also like to hear song sung.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Songs of Newfoundland & Labrador
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Jun 10 - 09:28 AM

Lyrics for SHE'S LIKE A SWALLOW can be found in our Digital Tradition Database: click here. If you go to that page and click the Amazon box to the right of the lyrics, you can hear excerpts of several recorded versions. Also, if you click "Click to play" at the bottom of the page, you can hear a midi file of the whole tune.


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