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Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!

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Songster Bob 24 Apr 07 - 08:56 PM
Dan Schatz 24 Apr 07 - 09:58 PM
Beer 24 Apr 07 - 10:06 PM
Muttley 25 Apr 07 - 08:18 AM
GUEST,Riverman 25 Apr 07 - 11:22 AM
Spot 25 Apr 07 - 11:29 AM
JedMarum 25 Apr 07 - 11:32 AM
Pete_Standing 25 Apr 07 - 12:44 PM
synbyn 26 Apr 07 - 12:50 PM
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Gurney 31 Mar 11 - 12:16 AM
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breezy 31 Mar 11 - 06:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Songster Bob
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 08:56 PM

Stringing suggestion, no matter the brand:

Always make sure to have enough windings around the post when you reach "tight." Don't start with the string going straight through and only about one turn before you get the strings tightened. I always put my hand under the strings and spread my fingers upwards, to get some slack. Then I hold the string against the fingerboard whilst turning the peg, till there's a kink that will hold the string. Then I tighten to pitch.

I usually want two or three turns for the 5th & 6th strings, and at least four for the others. The reason you want to do this is that the place where the string kinks is automatically a weak spot. If there's no spare string wound around the peg, the tension is concentrated on this weakness, and pop! goes the weasel (as you pay out for another string). Enough windings spreads the tension around the peg, so the kink doesn't become a break-point.

Bob


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 09:58 PM

I'm not familiar with the Newtones; I'll have to give them a try. I've been using John Pearse strings on my 6 string guitars and D'Addarios on the 12 and the banjo. I tried the Elixers and didn't break any, but also didn't particularly like the tone. I think they mesh well with some instruments, but apparently not mine. I felt they always just sounded like slightly, but not completely, dead strings. It could also be playing style - I'm a fingerstyle guitarist, and I use strings that work with my playing style.

Dan Schatz


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Beer
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 10:06 PM

Black Diamond Strings
Black Diamond Strings
Drinkin' 1 W. Harper
Playin' Black Diamond Strings
Black Diamond Strings
Are like white flour and grits
You play Black Diamond Strings
'Cause it's all you can get
                  "Guy Clarke"

Beer (adrien)


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Muttley
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 08:18 AM

If I may add a comment or two - and I am probably WAY out of my league as most (if not all) of you sound like professional (semi-professional) players. Those who know of me through the group know already of my 'disabled' status - ABI and having to relearn and all and then having to play in a more simplified manner - thus my guitars are all "standard tuned" -E-A-D-G-B-E-. I also play for schoolkids and friends as well as busking on occasion - I am a little afraid to take up the invitation to play at a local pub as I am still embarrassed at having to play from songbooks I have constructed to cater for my memory-loss disabilities, so I haven't gone there yet.

All my playing life I have used D'Addario strings - my old 3/4 Yamaha (Something 50) which has a gorgeous tone has D'Addario Nylons while my 'el cheapo' Samick 12-string has D'Addario Extra-Lights and my Fender Redondo - my 'everything guitar' - has always had D'Addario X-Lights - though I experimented on a couple of occasions with Lights and Mediums - I just liked the feel of the X-L's.

However, last time I changed my strings I asked about tonal quality - as I tend to respect music store folks experience. The chap suggested the Elixirs for their better tone/note-holding abilities and that they seemed to hold their 'true' for a lot longer.

Anyway, I got daring and paid the extra $$$ - given I paid about $15 - $20 for D'Addario's and was asked to shell out almost $40 for the Elixirs, I had to think about it(also being an 'Asperger' and considering changing things can very alien and threatening to my thinking - if someone I trust recommends highly, I'll consider it. Otherwise Hmmmmmmmmm!). I bit the bullet and paid the extra: I bought the Polyweb Light .012 - .053 and have been pretty happy thus far.

While I haven't noticed a markedly better sound from the guitar - I have noted that it does sound just that tad more mellow. However, the big bonus for me is that I they HAVE held their tone/note far betterand longer than the D'Addario's. They have not soured even a little bit - and by now I would have already had a second set of D'Addario's fitted (and probably looking at a third in the next few weeks) since having fitted the Elixirs.


Another bonus is the virtual absence of 'squinching' (string squeak - whatever) though this is dismaying as I liked hearing that because it means my hands and fingers are approaching "normal person" speed and not my usual slower more deliberate actions imposed by minimised brain-hand co-ordination.

Extra questions: I am buying a Maton later this year (my wife, God Bless her, is allowing me to do so) and I understand they come standard with Elixirs - does anyone know this for fact?

Also: I have noted that 'blackening' on the strings which GUEST (post No.2) mentioned, where I chord most. Was wondering whether that 'Fastfret' stuff that Kendall mentioned would help in cleaning them up - or should I just leave it?


As I said earlier - I bought the Polywebs. I think the Nanowebs were available - but even more expensive (and as a casual relieving teacher on not a huge income - maybe next time as I am impressed thus far). Are the Nano's better than the Poly's - or is it simply personal preference?

Great discussion

Muttley - PS - I'm In Australia


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Riverman
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 11:22 AM

I too swear by Elixirs and have never broken a single one in about 10 years of using them. They're not as bright right off as some others but they do stay brighter for longer and I change them pretty regularly. I use the nanoweb ones and they suit my guitar. I can honestly say that other string's I've tried have been a disappointment although I should try Newtones and those Rohr-thingies...


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Spot
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 11:29 AM

Riverman and all..

                   Personally, I found Newtones good for a fortnight....   Rohrbachers - 2/3 months...   There's little else to be said!! :-)

                   Regards to all.....Spot


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: JedMarum
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 11:32 AM

In the US you should be paying between $11 and $16 for a set of Elixers. There are a few on-line shops where you can get good prices, even for one otwo sets. When you buy bulk you normally get very god prices.

Elixers sound pretty good new, especially the nano-webs and they sound almost the same throuhgout their life! If it were sound alone I'd use 'em all the time.

I have broken more Elixers then other strings ... but so many that that would deter me fromm using them either. As I said, I use them as a second choice - and for the very specific purpose of getting through the extreme hot/humid weather. I do not like the feel of Elixers - but I get used to it when I have to.

I think those folks using them for their longevity characteristics would also be happy with Newtones. Elixers you can buy at most guitar shops, except in the UK - Newtones you'll have to hunt for.


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 12:44 PM

Muttley

The Polywebs have a thicker coating and feel waxy - it is this that gives a more mellow tone and less string squeek. The Nanowebs have a thinner coating and sound and feel close to normal (uncoated) strings but have the capacity to last much longer tonally, ie they keep their brightness for significantly longer.

Bob

Interesting post. I have always allowed a bit of excess (in line with your suggestion) when winding and always put a right angle bend in the string for going through the post. The strings that usually break at this point are the 2nd and 3rd which are under a lot of stress from altered tunings, but that is what I would expect. If any of the other strings go, it is usually at the saddle, though I do get breaks on the 2nd and 3rd here too.

If I gigged really often, I would use D'Addario and change them each time, Elixirs would be too expensive to do that. However, I don't gig more than about once every month (on average) so I use Elixirs for the longer lasting tone, but always change for a gig to minimise string breakage on stage.


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: synbyn
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 12:50 PM

Tried Elixirs but went back to oft-changed D'Adds- I found the Elixirs seemed to be a bit slow to rebound- can't explain this, but they didn't seem to be where I expected them to be- especially fingerpicking. A bit like rubber bands. Had trouble with breakages, but that was the particular guitar's bridge, & a change has seen no problem.


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 11 - 11:33 PM

first of all elixirs are not worth the money. second i have tryed alot and martins can't be beat. and another thing black diamonds are junk. elixir are not worth the money. i would like to try dean markely if they have a good bluegrass set. but give me bluegrass martin medium lights or marquis martin meds or bluegrass sps.


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Gurney
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 12:16 AM

Maybe Elixirs are going through a bad patch. Years ago I bought 5 sets of Martin lights on a special offer, and I hated them. The ball ends tended to pull off when changing, and after about two hours they went through a 'dead' period, and never really came bright again. I've never bought any since, but reading this thread makes me think that those problems are past.
The one set of Elixirs that I've used were lovely to play, but too bright for my guitar and taste.


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Subject: RE: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 02:55 AM

"Stringing suggestion, no matter the brand:

Always make sure to have enough windings around the post when you reach "tight." Don't start with the string going straight through and only about one turn before you get the strings tightened. I always put my hand under the strings and spread my fingers upwards, to get some slack. Then I hold the string against the fingerboard whilst turning the peg, till there's a kink that will hold the string. Then I tighten to pitch.

I usually want two or three turns for the 5th & 6th strings, and at least four for the others. The reason you want to do this is that the place where the string kinks is automatically a weak spot. If there's no spare string wound around the peg, the tension is concentrated on this weakness, and pop! goes the weasel (as you pay out for another string). Enough windings spreads the tension around the peg, so the kink doesn't become a break-point.

Bob"

Here is a great vway to string consistently, locate your string in the bridge, pull it all the way bhrough the winding peg, then pull it back the distance of the first fret. That will give you the perfect amount of string to wind around the post, making sure thaty you lock the string by winding firstly above it then below it.

I think elixir nanoweb are the best strings on the market, they last for ages, they dont have that horid brassiness that most new strings have and they dont squeak as much when moving chords up the fretboard.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Will Fly
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 04:18 AM

I also use Elixir Nanoweb Phosphor Bronze .012-.053 gauge on all my steel-strung guitars, and have done for many years. There was, I believe a bad patch in the firm's history - perhaps around 2 years ago and before that - when 3rds and sometimes 4ths broke regularly.

My opinion, and that of other guitarists I talked to at the time, was that the ratio between the inner core and the outer winding was wrong - inner too thin to support the outer winding. I took it up with Elixir (the European office in Germany), giving them evidence of the guitars I used, styles I played, etc. - together with some comments culled from around the web. I got a very efficient reply - and two free sets of strings - but naturally they wouldn't admit directly to any design flaw but promised to investigate.

I'm sure that my efforts on their own didn't amount to a hill of beans, but I do think that many other guitarists also contacted Elixir with their opinions. Certainly, in the last two years - no change in guitars or playing styles - I haven't broken a single Elixir string and I'm sure they've changed the spec.

They are the only strings that don't give way to the acid in my hands. Martin strings last me a day's playing and then their dull. I do prefer a very bright sound.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: reggie miles
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 04:51 AM

I need a high E string that can withstand high tension. I need to tune it 5 half steps high, to A, without breaking. Can anyone offer any brand recommendations?

I contacted Infield because their high E string, a .009, was the only one that has come close to lasting at that tension level, but even it broke rather quickly. I asked them if they made anything that was specifically designed for high tension. I was secretly hoping that they had some kind of super string alloy made for just that purpose but the R&D tech said no.

I wrote another string company that claimed that they hand made their own strings. However, apparently, while they might make their own strings, they don't seem interested in answering email inquiries about their strings.

Is there some string company out there that specializes specifically in strings meant to withstand extremely high tension without breaking? Or do I have to invent the thing myself?

Cuz, ya know what happened when I couldn't find an old used resophonic guitar, don't ya? I looked for about 20 years and finally I just made my own and now I've completed three.

I swear, if I can't find some string maker willing to provide me with what I need, I'm gonna start making my own strings and blow these slackers out of the water. Hey, how hard can it possibly be. I made a whole guitar out of junk that I found at garage sales. Making a high E string, that will suit my needs, has got to be a breeze by comparison.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: breezy
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 06:42 AM

Good luck reggie

I take it by 'steps' you mean frets, or semi-tones

3 steps is usually the limit sometimes 4 with 008 on top, but to get to 5 I think you will snap a few

In the mean time why not use a capo !! T in C

I used to tune up high but was also capoing 7th fret as my guitar - a hand made Brook - sounded so sweeeeet up there.

Re busted Gs , I guess its because of the heaviness or impact of the playing style t , may I suggest a small DA5 amplifier runs on C cell batts

as a piano student I learned to play with a light touch and a guitar is not a loud instrument. i play it with gentleness like I do my women, I'm not into 'rough'

I have used Elixir since whenever they emerged and abandoned all others inc Martin , d'add etc, I f-pick and use an amp, they last for years, I buy in bulk 10 sets at a time from strings direct. still got 9 sets !!

and playing in a session with accordions etc an amp would be useful !!


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Musket
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 06:51 AM

Sorry but I love them, cant get enough of them. Especially on the Rainsong OM10.

Mind you, cheap & cheerful Martins on the Yamaha APX6-12 and the Jim Harley give the same sound as when I use Elixir. But the Rainsong is wonderful as the take the bright edge off.

The technical details talk of certain harmonics being damped through the smooth outer profile of the strings. Mmmm. We all have a specialised subject and mine just happens to be mechanical vibration, even wrote my PhD thesis on the subject. Let's just leave it as "I would love to explore the reasoning and evidence for this to be a practical as opposed to theoretical advantage."

Talking of practical, they should for most of us last longer than most other strings and indeed they do. One good reason for considering them, despite the higher than average price.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: harmonic miner
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 06:55 AM

I found Elixirs good but expensive on the high street here at €20 or so per 6-string set. I do like to support the local retailer. Texas Guest may just have hit a bad batch? Happenned to me recently with a pack if 3 sets of Martins - all 3 of the high E's broke at the ball. And again, I never break strings. Retailer replaced them, no quibble (got a set of Elixirs and paid the extra cost!!)


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Fortunato
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 08:22 AM

I recently became enamored of Elixir Nanoweb Phosphor Bronze since they've held their tone longer that D'Addario Phosphor Bronze. The first hour of playing was too 'live' but they settled down to the best of phosphor bronze tone, suited for my Gallagher, and have maintained it. After several weeks the coating is fraying on the G string, but no loss of tone. Are they worth the price of 3 sets of D'Addario? Only if you've got a long period when changing strings would be inconvenient and you want to sustain your tone over several musical sets and gigs.

Now on the advice give above to wind a lot of string around the peg, I seriously disagree. I recommend no more than one inch beyond the necessary length of the string, otherwise there is a loss of tone, I believe there is too much resistance to the transfer of tone.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Mike Rogers
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 08:38 AM

After nearly 50 years of playing I still hate changing strings which is why Elixir Nanoweb PBs are a godsend. I've been using them for several years (can't remember how long)and never has a duff set. They settle down quickly both in terms of tone and stretch and I've got them on each of my five acoustic guitars. And nobody's paid me to say this.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 08:44 AM

I'm surprised as I've always used nothing but Elixir strings, had no problem at all except one set off E-bay which were probably fake. I do know a guy though who buys Elixir from the same place as I do, breaks strings very regularly, reason being as I and most others see, he's strums 95 % in opwn chord tuning, and is incredubly rough on his strings, really lays n to them far too hard. As you said you do a lot of strumming, could you be doing the same? I'm probably tempting fate but I've never broken a string


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: MissouriMud
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 02:32 PM

I use Elixer Nano 80/20 on the guitars I use the most and enjoy the finger feel, tone and longevity. Three years ago I bought my old Gibson L-00 from a friend and very good player who was using these strings on it. He said the tone was great but said he had breakage issues (the D string not the G). I kept the same strings on it and sure enough a couple of days the the D string broke at the saddle.   I changed it out and two weeks later it broke again at the same spot.   I took the guitar to a luthier who proceeded to make a miniscule reshaping/smoothing of the saddle top edge and havent had a problem since.   None of the other guitars I use Elixirs on had that problem. Perhaps there is something about the strings that makes them a bit more susceptible to a rough edge or sharp bend compared to other strings. Probably may play style on that particular guitar contributed - I use it for old Time string band accompaniment (as did the prior owner) and really dig into the three bass strings.

In any event I'm very happy with the strings right now. I have sweaty fingers so the coating is very important to longevity. I also find that I can slide more easily, with better tone, less noise, and a lot less callous. In terms of general tone quality I definitely believe that certain guitars sound better with some stings than with others and another guitar or even the same guitar played differently may have a totally different reaction. They work well for me and my style on my L-00 and fingerpicked Martin 000-28NB; on my bluegrass flatpicking D-28 I'm less sure - but I havent found anything clearly better so far. So whatever works best, but as usual no right answer for everyone.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: reggie miles
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 02:44 PM

breezy,

At present, the high E string is regularly tuned four semi tones, or four frets, high of the E note that it is supposed to be, to Ab. My open tuning that I use is an open E form that's pushed up to open Ab. (Ab-Db-Ab-C-Db-Ab) I've been exploring this tuning for over 30 years. So, altering my tuning form is not something that I'd like to consider. I just want to alter the key that I'm offering it in.

What I'd like to do is to push that Ab tuning up just one more semi tone, or fret, to open A. (A-D-A-C#-D-A) That would mean the high E string would be tuned five semi tones, or frets, high from where it is meant to be tuned, to A.

Everything seems to work alright in Ab. The problem arises when I try to push the high E string up to A.

The string gauges that I use in Ab are generally as follows. (54/42/30/22p/15/11) It's a standard set of electric strings from Ernie Ball, (Beefy Slinky). The electric set offers me a little brighter sound than the average acoustic strings on my resophonic guitar.

The action is set low, not high, as on most square neck guitars. This makes it possible to also finger chord shapes in the first position, (nearest to the nut).

The guitar that I use is one of my own homemade resophonic guitars. It has a twelve fret square neck, (twelve frets to the body). I regularly travel to the twelfth fret with my slide.

If I used a capo on the first fret, I'd have to reach over the body to grab the 13th fret for that slide move. It becomes a bit awkward, because my guitar doesn't have a cutaway to reach that fret easily. That awkward move then negatively impacts the approach that I use to play a lot of my bottleneck slide arrangements.

I suppose that I could just alter my playing approach and that I might eventually get used to that 13th fret reach but there's another reason why I don't use a capo. The reason why a capo won't work, in this instance, is that no one makes a capo for a square neck guitar that has the action set low and that has such high tension on the strings.

Most every capo is meant for a round neck guitar with low string tension. Those capos that are meant for a square neck guitars are only made for those who play with the action set high. My particular exploration of playing bottleneck slide with a square neck guitar that has the action set low makes my efforts rather unconventional. My interest in pushing the limits of string tension to very near the breaking point makes me a pioneer in that area of acoustic exploration, or perhaps a rebel. In a world of sameness, I've always aspired to be something different.

Do you see what I'm facing here? It's the entire streamlining of the industry. It's musical gentrification. It leaves little room for innovation, unless the innovator is also an inventor.

I guess, that since I did make a whole guitar, maybe making a custom capo wouldn't be any huge deal... maybe. I might even be able to make another guitar, one with a cutaway, so that I could more easily reach that 13th fret and beyond. I simply thought that it might be easier to just find a string maker that was creating what I needed.

I find it easier to start with the most simple and direct approach to meet one's needs first. Then, if that doesn't work, one can always move on to more elaborate designs and concepts to a particular end.

I understand why those making capos are only making the type and style that they are creating. Like those who make strings and guitars, the majority of makers, of most musical things, aren't interested in catering to the needs of the few but rather fulfilling the needs of the vast majority of players. Their largest profit margin lies with serving players who are happy to never think outside the box in terms of their playing approach.

It's a challenge to find those, in the industry, that are truly interested in innovation, for innovation's sake. Profit is what drives most research and development. So, if a company feels as though they can create something that will secure huge profits, that's where they will invest their energy and money. Business is all about making a profit.

If a business has a product that's not selling well, instead of making their product better, most will spend gobs of cash on researching and developing new ways of advertising their product. That's probably why I continue to see the never ending alterations of musical instrument string packaging and advertising as opposed to new string design and development.

I'm probably not going to find any string maker that is pushing the envelop of technology in this direction. Developing a string made from an alloy that is resistant to breaking under high tension is not of interest to string makers. Developing a string that is less likely to break would mean that they'd sell fewer strings. Selling fewer strings is bad for profitability/business. They aren't going to invest in technology that negatively impacts their profit margins.

Maybe I'm asking the wrong question. Perhaps, I should be asking if there are any Catters whose area of expertise extends to high tension steel alloy wire that can be used for creating a string that would be far less prone to breakage while under extreme tension loads? Surely, there are other applications for such a product, beyond my limited interest. Any suggestions about where I could look to discover such a product already being produced, marketed and used in industries other than music?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,jeff
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 03:33 PM

Been using Nanowebs on my 6, 12 and mandolin. Like any guitar strings the length of 'serviceable brightness' varies from set to set. Had a set on my 6 string that lasted for well over a year. The next set lasted about a month. :-( Should'e never changed them. Mandolin and 12 strings vary according to amount of use.

The main difference I hear is that I used to kill a set of strings every night I gigged. Now I get alot more time out of each set. Especially, when playing plugged in as there's a 'false' brightness that comes w/using a transducer/Joe Mills mic combo. One simply rolls off the treble a bit to get a solid acoustic sound.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 03:44 PM

I have several friends who swear by Elixir but as someone above mentioned, they feel greasy to me, as though I were not quite in touch with the sound. Rather like the difference between walkng in heavy socks versus barefoot. And in Juneau they cost $16 instead of my usual $12. I used two sets in a row but have not bought any since. I like Martin SP or Marquis lights.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Brian May
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 04:17 PM

All 3 of my Martins have Elixirs on and I love them.

They last for yonks and do exactly what it says on the can.

My only criticism is they are expensive, but since they last SOo long, they make up for the cost.

However, if I broke two in a row, then I'd be pretty pissed and would rant too.

But you did ask . . .


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: alex s
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 04:20 PM

Great strings, love em on my 6s and 12
Nothing else comes close


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: beeliner
Date: 31 Mar 11 - 07:50 PM

I've converted several autoharps to D/A diatonics, and I put the bass A at the bottom, below the G, so that it is convenient to the thumb.

The Elixir Polyweb .068 is the sweetest sounding bass A that I have encountered. Pure ambrosia. Stripping down the windings at both ends is a little more difficult because of the coating, but well worth the effort.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 05:42 AM

Out of interest - what is the tuning where you tune the top E string up to A?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: beeliner
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 07:17 AM

I'm not sure what you mean. The tuning I use is:

AGBC#DE F#GAABC C#DDEEF# GG#AABC C#DDEEF# GG#AABD.

This includes two 'cheater' strings, the C's, which are muted by the block bars but available, mainly for the D7 chord, in the 3/4 chromatic option.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: breezy
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 07:18 AM

Dear Reggae M

To push an .011 up to A sharp would make it very tense so I would think. Using 008 up to G was about the limit that I found, though I did go to G sharp . But they would break after a while. Anything higher was precarious ! 007s just snapped.

Yes a cut-away I can recommend.

But I'm back to basics now, had me flirtations with all that but , my Brook tamar is till tuned 3 semis higher in case I want to use it but the bottom string is a .045 playing G.    5th .035 C etc
so if anything there is less tension on the guitar

I always thought that there was nothing to choose between bare steel 'top' strings, are they not all made of the same material? Surplus fuse wire? Enlighten me please oh ye of great knowledge of guitar strings


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 01 Apr 11 - 07:36 AM

Reggie, have you considered searching out a shorter scale-length guitar on which a .09 or .10 gauge string can be tuned up to an A note?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: harmonic miner
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:42 PM

008 or 009 is often used for the high G on a 12-string. Never broken one yet but I don't do any string bending on the 12.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: reggie miles
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:54 PM

breezy, I'm only trying to push that high 'E' string to 'A' not 'A#'. .008s snap, as do .009s, too lightweight for the tension, I guess. .010. or heavier strings snap because they're too heavy to withstand the tension level. I found a .0095 that seemed to hold for a while but it too eventually snapped.

Bee-dubya-ell, the guitar that I'm using is my own homemade resophonic, with a 12 frets to the body, square neck and a modified tail piece, which is shorter than most. This means that that the string itself is stretched farther than on a pin type bridge and even farther than most tail piece type guitars. My scale length is almost exactly 25".

What I'm wondering is, if strings companies today are merely using, what they have been using for the plain high 'E' strings, simply because no one has ever decided to experiment further into the modern high tension alloys available and the possibilities that they present for better tone and a longer lasting string. Again, I certainly understand why a string company might shy away from making a products that works better and lasts longer, because of the implications that it can have to its bottom line.

Like my 20 year search for a sweet old resophonic guitar that left me empty handed and ultimately forced me to make my own, I can see that this string desire might be moving me toward the same path, of making my own high 'E' strings. I'm certain that the steel alloys available today offer far better properties than those being presently used by every string maker that I've tried. All of those high 'E' strings seem to wear, rust and break far too frequently.

I think that the market is ripe for a new idea, a super string. One that sheds the past precepts of "good enough" and embraces the brave new world of technological advances. A string that is as resilient as it is resistant to wear and able to do more and be more than be just "good enough".

What do you think?


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Fossil
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 08:06 PM

Another satisfied customer... have used Elixirs nano lights ever since a music-shop guy in Melbourne, Australia recommended them about three years ago. I put them on my Tanglewood, then later on (for unrelated reasons) bought a ColeClark FL2AC which came with them as standard. Both are 6-strings and are kept in standard, concert-pitch tunings. I occasionally use drop D and open tunings, retuning on the fly, and the strings seem to cope with this just fine.

Never had a breakage, strings always sound nice and mellow and while dullness can creep in, this happens over a period of months (and my guitars get well used). Previously I used Martins and string sound quality seemed to go off much more quickly.

I used to keep my Sigma 12 on Martins, but at the last re-string changed it to Elixirs.

Also agree with posts above that Elixirs (and, I suppose other brands of coated strings) reduce squeaks when changing chords, which is always good.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 08:30 PM

I seldom break strings, but the last one I did break was--you guessed it--an Elixir G.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: olddude
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 09:48 PM

I hate the strings myself, tried them twice i break them by just looking at them .... I know it is all personal taste but I won't use them again


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 10:13 PM

They play extra clean... They do hold their tuning after the first stretch...

They don't slide and I'm a slide player so to me...

...yeah, the do stink!!!

B~


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Musket
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 09:30 AM

Oh yeah, forgot to mention. Along with any and all other advantages, Elixir strings don't squeal as much when sliding up and down the neck. The Martins I put on yesterday, (ran out of Elixirs) squeak like hell. Gonna have to change them before next Wednesday when I need to use the guitar next.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Jay in Philly
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 05:32 AM

There is a cabal of string manufacturers whose members are so scared of Elixir strings that they infest guitar forums and make absurd claims about how Elixirs either break, or cause your fingers to break out in an allergic reaction.

These ridiculous assertions are, of course, hogwash.

Elixirs are better than uncoated strings. It's not even a contest.

Don't let guerilla marketing techniques put you off trying these state of the art strings. I'll never go back to uncoated strings.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 06:43 AM

Horses for course Jay. I tried Elixirs and hated them too. I have also tried lots of other makes. used to like La Bella silk and steel, but I'm now another Newtone convert. I love 'em, and so does my guitar!


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Fortunato
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 06:51 AM

Elixir nano phospher bronze are superior in every way, period.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 11 Sep 11 - 07:19 AM

Newtone RULEZZ PERIOD!!!!

(Not really,as John says, it is horses for courses but they suit me and my instruments)


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Virginia person
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 09:23 AM

Ok, I've been having the same problem with elixir G's .

Last nite I broke one playing a very importan job, replaced it out of a new pack, and it broke on the NEXT SONG.

Yes, I've had the bridge and nut checked for burrs, there are none. I love the tone, and them being made in USA, but I cannot afford to keep using them.

As for you a-holes who criticized the original poster as if it's his fault it isn't. It is an inferior product or so many wouldn't take the time to post about it and search it on the internet. If you are playing in your house or a once in a while coffee house gig I'm sure you love them. If you are really playing you'd better be making big $ if you want to afford to keep them on your box.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: alex s
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 11:36 AM

Guest Virginia person - you are wrong as well as rude.

They are great strings and I and many many others use them PROFESSIONALLY with no problem at all. I use light/medium and they do gig after gig without a hitch.

You need to rethink your playing technique.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 12:03 PM

I use whatever strings the store has that are the cheapest. If you're a good musician, it doesn't matter what strings you use, you sound good regardless. If you're a shitty guitar player, it doesn't matter what strings you use, you sound shitty regardless.

As far as the string themselves go, there are only a few string-makers in the business. They make all the strings and then various guitar manufacturers buy them up wholesale and put their own names on them and then peddle them off to you retail.

I'll bet most of the guitarists on this thread who hate a certain brand of string and love another would be shocked to learn that they are the exact same strings made by the same company.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: michaelr
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 01:37 PM

I've been using Elixir Nanoweb phosphor-bronze mediums on my Lowden O10 for a year now, gigging, rehearsing and sessioning 5-6 times a month on average. I like them a lot. They last a long time (I'm on my third set), don't break, and have no discernible odor.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: Will Fly
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 01:57 PM

it doesn't matter what strings you use

Oh, it does matter, it certainly does, and here's why:

Different strings have different tonal characteristics (and, sure, if two so-called "different" makes have the same characteristics, they may well come from the same factory). I can't use Martin Phosphor Bronze strings. One day's playing and they're done for - dead, dulled - done for by the acid from my fingers. On the same guitar, Martin strings (for example) sound different from D'Addario, which sound different from Elixir, and so on. A "good" sound or a "bad" sound is in the ears and preferences of the player. Some players prefer a slightly dull sound - others prefer a bright, clean twang. I incline to the latter. So - different makes DO make a difference in sound.

As I've posted earlier in this thread, there was a period, around 3 years ago when the Elixir bronze Nanoweb 3rds - and sometimes 4ths - broke far more than was acceptable. I actually wrote to Elixir about it, giving chapter and verse about the problem, and receiving a long reply saying that they took the comments seriously and were investigating. Since then, I've done three things - I've started to use a lighter pick, altered the angle of pick attack on the strings, and changed from basic bronze to phosphor bronze.

Now, whether these things have worked or not, or whether Elixir have changed the production methods, I can't say. All I know is that I haven't broken a string in around 3 years, and a set lasts me about 4-5 weeks of regular gigs. When the string coating starts to fray above the sound hole and there's dulling in the hard-worked areas, then I change them. I still prefer them to any other make for my acoustic guitars. I've also started to use coated Elixir steels for my archtop, and they sound very good.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,josepp
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 02:27 PM

It's all in your mind, son.

They're just the same strings made by the same company. You've tricked yourself into believing there's a real difference but there isn't. You just think there is supposed to be.

Nobody else hears the difference--only you. You could buy the cheapest strings out there and no one will hear any difference. They only thing they know is whether you suck or not and, often, many of them don't even know that.

My advice is to buy the cheapest strings--they sound the same, they last as long, you save money, and no one else cares a rabbit's turd what strings you're playing on.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: alex s
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 02:35 PM

I'm definitely with Will on this one.
Perhaps some of us have better hearing than others.


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Subject: RE: Guitar Strings: Elixir rant - THEY STINK!
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 25 Feb 12 - 03:18 PM

Yes, Elixir's are awful. The go dead in minutes and they break much more readily than most other strings!

That said, I bought a second hand Santa Cruz nearly two years ago which had a set of light gauge Nanowebs and they're still on it - the same set! None of them has broken, I've not been particularly gentle with them and they still sound fine. I've decided to change them several times but on picking up the guitar found that the ones on it are still fine.

I definitely can't say this about any other strings I've ever used and I've tried and, trust me, I have several guitars and I've tried quite a few types of string over the last 40 years.


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