Origins: Old Rosin the Bow / Rosin the Beau

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:29 AM

WHOOPS - CAPS came off on Tarpaulin Tune.

Mr. Q. -

Sincerely sorry, but aside from 3/4 time the tunes are NOT similar based on the Ive's book cited. First four bars. Rosin goes UP and Tarpalin DOWN


ie. both placed in key of C L:1/8


"Rosin the Bow" G2/C2C2C2/E3D2DC2/E2g4


"Tarpaulin" G2/E2E2E2/F2G2F2/EFG4


Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:23 AM

Mr. Q. -

Sincerely sorry, but aside from 3/4 time the tunes are NOT similar based on the Ive's book cited. First four bars. Rosin goes UP and Tarpalin DOWN

ie. both placed in key of C L:1/8

"Rosin the Bow" G2/C2C2C2/E3D2DC2/E2g4

"Tarpaulin" g2/e2e2e2/f2g2f2/efG4

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: Lyr Add: OL' ROISIN LE BEAU (from Bob Dylan)
From: GUEST,Willem Lindeboom / The Netherlands
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 07:09 PM

OL' ROISIN LE BEAU
(Incomplete)
Traditional / Arranged by Bob Dylan

Recorded: The Big Pink, West Saugerties - 1967
By Bob Dylan & The Band
Release: The Genuine Basement Tapes - Volume 5 (bootleg)

I traveled all over this world
And now to another I'll go
An' I know I should find good quarters
To wait an' welcome Le Beau.
Welcome ol' Roisin Le Beau
To welcome ol' Roisin Le Beau
I know how good quarters are waitin'
For to welcome ol' Roisin Le Beau.

When I'm dead an' laid out on the counter
A voice you will hear from below
Say, "Send out a hogshead of whiskey
To drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau."
To drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau
To drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau
Say, "Send out a hogshead of whiskey
To drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau."

Then get you half a dozen smart fellows
Let them all staggerin' go
An' dig a great hole in the meadow
An' in it put Roisin Le Beau
An' in it put Roisin Le Beau
An' in it put Roisin Le Beau
Go dig you a hole in the meadow
An' in it put Roisin Le Beau.

An' get you a half dozen barrels
Put water at me head an' me toes
With a diamond ring scratch in upon it
With the name of ol' Roisin Le Beau.
With the name of ol' Roisin Le Beau
With the name of ol' Roisin Le Beau
With a diamond ring scratch in upon it
With the name of ol' Roisin Le Beau.

I hear that old tyrant approachin'
That cruel d.........?
An' I lift up me glass in his honor
Take a drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau.
Take a drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau
Take a drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau
An' I lift up my glass in his honor
Take a drink with ol' Roisin Le Beau.

Converted from all caps. --JoeClone, 1-May-03.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 06:20 PM

"Wrap Me Up In My Tarpaulin Jacket," in Sandburg's The American Songbag, is different, but reminiscent, of "Rosin the Beau."
The tarpaulin jacket got around, appearing in versions of St. James-Streets of Laredo.
Singers often varied tunes to suit their voices or mood.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Amos
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 04:24 PM

A verse I learned long ago -- I can't remnember whence -- that is not in the DT version:

I live for the good of my country
And my sons are all growing low
But I hope that the next generation
Will resemble old Rosin the Beau.

A

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 04:15 PM

Musicologists often disagree on the identities of tunes. The tune for Burns' "Tam Glen" is generally agreed to be a version of "My Name is old Hewson the Cobler". Burns friend Robert Riddell misidentified the tune as "Mall Roe (Irish)".

These two tunes and "Old Rosin the Beau" are all somewhat similar. Perhaps this explains why Moll Roe above got sung to "Old Rosin the Beau" instead of "Moll Roe in the morning".

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: masato sakurai
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 05:08 AM

Correction in my post just above:

4. "Little Vanny"

Addition:

22. "Democratic Ode"
(In Vera Brodsky Lawrence, Music for Patriots, Politicians, and Presidents, Macmillan, 1975)

~Masato

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: ooh-aah
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 03:13 AM

A.L Lloyd does a lovely version of 'Rosin the Beau' on his 1961 album 'English Drinking Songs', recorded in a pub with the wonderful name of 'The Eel's Foot'.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: masato sakurai
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 02:33 AM

Burke, thanks. On "Help Me to Sing" George Pullen Jackson wrote in Down-East Spirituals and Others (1943; Da Capo, 1975, No. 50 [pp. 69-70]:

 We are fortunate in finding numerous close and distant relatives of this text and tune [from Original Sacred Harp 376]. We must first interpret B.F. White's claim to it in the Sacred Harp as pertaining merely to his harmonic arrangement of what he must have considered an "unwritten" song. The text seems to be of American origin. The tune stems from the British Isles. In England its close relatives appear under such titles as 'Sally Gray' and 'Ratcliffe Highway'; in Scotland as the old tune 'The Mucking o' Geordie's Byre' which Robert Burns used for his 'Tam Glen'.
 Its somewhat less close melodic kindred are in England 'Th Banks of the Lea', in Wales 'Llanarmon', a hymn version, 'The Green Pool', and 'The Pretty Girl Milking her Cow'. In Ireland they are 'The Rose of the Vale', 'The Lass With the Bonny Brown Hair', and 'The Pretty Girl that Milks the Cows' which was found in the Bunting Collection of 1796.
 Some members of this tune family, appearing in four-four time, tend to merge with the 'Gilderoy' melodies which reach back at least to 1719. Those with texts in iambic meter sometimes touch the 'Babe of Bethlehem' tune family, as does 'Enquire'; and major-keyed versions of this predominantly aeolian and dorian formula approach the popular 'Old Rosin the Bow' group of tunes. So the tune above [i.e., "Help Me to Sing"] may be said to swim in the middle of our broad stream of national melody.

Other songs to the tune of "Rosin the Beau/Bow" include:

1. "The Trumpet of Freedom" ("The Home of the Free") - No. 152
2. "The Liberty Ball" - No. 166
3. "The True Spirit" - No. 287
(In Vicki L. Eaklor, American Antislavery Songs, Greenwood, 1988)

4. "Little Vanity"
5. "Old Tippecanoe"
6. "Two Dollars a Day and Roast Beef"
7. "Lincoln and Liberty"
8. "Then It's Irishmen, What Are You Doing?"
9. "Straight-Out Democrat"
10. "Tippecanoe and Morton Too"
11. "Grandfather's Hat"
12. "The Hayseed"
(In Irwin Silber, Songs America Voted By, Stackpole Books, 1971)

13. "He's the Man for Me"
(In Richard A. Dwyer and Richard E. Lingenfelter, The Songs of the Gold Rush, University of California Press, 1965)

14. "The Agrarian Ball"
(In Philip S. Foner, American Labor Songs of the Nineteenth Century, University of Illinois Press, 1975)

15. "The Mill-Boy of the Slashes"
16. "Old Hal o' the West"
17. (= 7.) "Lincoln and Liberty"
(In Sinmund Spaeth, Read 'Em and Weep, Doubleday, 1927)

18. "Sherman's March to the Sea"
(In John Anthony Scott, The Ballad of America, Bantam, 1966)

19. Freemen, rally! (New York, New York: H. De Marsan, n.d.)
20. I cannot support him! Can you? (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: James D. Gay, 1864)
21. Brownell, the gallant Zouave (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: J. H. Johnson. n.d.)
(At America Singing: Nineteenth-Century Song Sheets)

~Masato

Subject: Lyr Add: WRAP ME UP IN MY TARPAULIN JACKET
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:33 AM

Wrap Me Up in My Tarpaulin Jacket These verses are different than the DT's.

WRAP ME UP IN MY TARPAULIN JACKET
Easy-going Waltz ¾ time
Song in America Burl Ives, Dual, Sloan and Pearc, 1962, p. 77

Oh, had I the wings of a turtle dove, -
So high on my pinions I'd fly,
Slap! Bang! To the heart of my Polly love,-
And in her dears arms I would die.

CHORUS: Wrap me up in my tarpaulin jacket
And say a poor duffer laid low.
Send for six salty seamen to carry me
With steps mournful solemn and slow.

Oh then let them send for two holy stone –
And place then at head and at toe.
Up-on them write this – in – scrip – tion:
"Here lies a poor duffer below."

Then send for six jolly foretopmen,
And let them a-rollicking go;
And in heaping two-gallow measures
Drink the health of the duffer below.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

BTW - Max Now Works on The Schemm Team

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 01:22 AM

The Burl Ives version Song in America Dual, Sloan and Pearc, 1962, p. 77 "Wrap Me Up in My Tarpaulin Jacket" while also a 3/4 waltz IS NOT the same tune as "Rosin the Beau"

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 12:21 AM

The earliest known copies, 1838, of "Rosin the Beau" are in the Levy sheet music collection. Just search for 'Rosin'.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 11:37 PM

An older version of "Tarpaulin Jacket" is in the DT. Some verses float, used in versions of "Rosin the Beau" and other songs. Other tunes used as well. Lancer, sailor, airman, cowboy have all been the poor buffer in this and other versions.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: kendall
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:48 PM

Buryl Ives sang one, I think it was called Tarpaulin Blanket about a dying sailor. Same tune.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:30 PM

Verses from "Old Rosin the Beau" that appear in versions of the "Cowboy's Lament":

Wrap me up in my old stable jacket
And say a poor buffer lies low
And get six stalwart lancers to carry me
With steps mournful, sloemn and slow.

And then in the dusk of the twilight
When soft winds are whispering low
And darkening shadows are falling
Sometimes think of the buffer below.

XIII-K, From Gordon 569, reproduced in "Songs of the Cowboys," N. Howard (Jack) Thorp, added by Austin E. and Alta S. Fife. Robert W. Gordon was founder of the Archive of American Folksong, Library of Congress.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Stewart
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 05:41 PM

I've always been cheerful and easy,
And scarce have I heeded a foe,
While some after money run crazy,
I merrily Rosin'd the Bow.

Cheers, S. in Seattle

Subject: Lyr Add: OLD MOLL ROE
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 02:38 PM

"Rosin the Beau" and "Old Moll Roe," or "Molly Monroe," all use the same tune.
Lyr. Add: OLD MOLL ROE

I met old Moll Roe in the mornin',
Her tail was all drabbled in blood.
I ask' her what was the matter,
She says she's been fucked by a stud.

I met old Moll Roe in the mornin',
Her tail was all drabled in dew,
I throwed my prick over my shoulder
An' my ballyx says how-do-ye-do?

If I had a prick like a stud horse,
And ballyx like mountains of snow,
I'd fuck all to hell an' damnation
To git to the cunt of Moll Roe.

Mr. L. K., Cyclone, MO, 1931. He heard his Irish father sing it in 1885. Known as "Lady Monroe" in Australia.
Vance Randolph, ed. G. Legman, "Roll Me in Your Arms," pp. 119-120, with music. He says the tune "Rosin the Bow" is also known as "Tarpaulin Jacket."

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Burke
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:45 PM

Masato, take at look at Help me to Sing p. 376 in the Sacred Harp. The words keep rolling in my head because we sing it much more than Sawyer's Exit.

The meter is the same, 9,8. They are both triple time with long held notes at the beginning & end of each line so they feel a lot alike. Are these major/minor variants of a basically similar tune, or am I being decived by the similar feel of it.

Sawyer's Exit, being in the 1st appendix, was first published in 1850, Help me to Sing is in the 1859 appendix.

PS, the E-sol (round note) in the 3rd measure should be d-sol. The shape is correct, the place on the staff is wrong.

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: masato sakurai
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 05:20 AM

"Sawyer's Exit" in The Sacred Harp (1860, p. 338) is the Rosin the Beau tune. The melody is in the middle staff.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:16 AM

The correct words to "The Old Settler," (Acres of Clams) are in the DT (mis-titled the "Old Settler's Song"). The chorus also is missing.

Chorus:
And I had been frequently sold,
And I had been frequently sold.
I'd tunneled, hydraulicked and cradled,
And I had been frequently sold.

Text first published 1902, with sheet music, by the composer, Francis D. Henry. Reproduced with music in Lingenfelter and Dwyer, "Songs of the American West," pp. 555-556. The tune, as stated by Gargoyle, is "Rosin the Beau."
I think all of this is in previous threads.

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:57 AM

Lots of information at Ceolas, The Fiddler's Companion. Tunes, words, etc. The Fiddler's Companion
I can't put the page directly, but click on Search the Index, type Rosin in Search, and scroll down. Apparently the tune has several names including "Old Rosin---, " Mrs. Kenny," etc.

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:51 AM

Missing from the DT version is the refrain:

Surrounded by acres of clams,
Surrounded by acres of clams,
As I think of my happy condition,
Surrounded by acres of clams

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: Lyr Add: OLD SETTLER'S SONG / ACRES OF CLAMS
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:48 AM

One of my altime favorites to the same tune listing of

ROSINBOW

http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=4436
OLD SETTLER'S SONG or ACRES OF CLAMS

I've traveled all over this country
Prospecting and digging for gold
I've tunneled, hydraulicked and cradled
And I have been frequently sold

For each man who got rich by mining
Perceiving that hundreds grew poor
I made up my mind to try farming
The only pursuit that was sure

So, rolling my grub in my blanket
I left all my tools on the ground
I started one morning to shank it
For the country they call Puget Sound

Arriving flat broke in midwinter
I found it enveloped in fog
And covered all over with timber
Thick as hair on the back of a dog

When I looked on the prospects so gloomy
The tears trickled over my face
And I thought that my travels had brought me
To the end of the jumping-off place

I staked me a claim in the forest
And sat myself down to hard toil
For two years I chopped and I struggled
But I never got down to the soil

I tried to get out of the country
But poverty forced me to stay
Until I became an old settler
Then nothing could drive me away

And now that I'm used to the climate
I think that if a man ever found
A place to live easy and happy
That Eden is on Puget Sound

No longer the slave of ambition
I laugh at the world and its shams
As I think of my pleasant condition
Surrounded by acres of clams


Sincerely,

Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:19 AM

Jofield,

That's from where the confusion of the song always come.

It is properly Rosin the Beau and as far as I know it has nothing to do with resin and bows.

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: GUEST,rank neophyte
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 11:45 PM

I can remember two verses:

I've travelled this whole world all over
And found mighty little of wealth
And now I am done as a rover,
While I still have some of my health

I'll build be a snug little cabin
Where hot dusty winds never blow
And I'll never more go a-ramblin'
A-ramblin' old rosin the beau.

Chorus:

A ramblin old rosin the beau
A ramblin old rosin the beau
And I'll never more go a-ramblin
A-ramblin old rosin the beau

Subject: RE: Help: Rosin The Beau
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 06:12 AM

Joe

That "Gentle Maiden" reference is to anther song to the same air.

Regards

Subject: ADD Version: Rosin The Bow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 11:20 PM

I was looking for something else, and came across this version of "Rosin the Beau" in Sam Henry's Songs of the People.
The notes date the song at 10 April 1937. Alternate titles are "Gentle Maiden," "rosin the Beau," and "Rosin-a-Beau."

ROSIN THE BOW

I've travelled this wide world over,
And now to another I'll go,
For I know what good quarters are waiting
To welcome old 'Rosin the Bow.'
To welcome old 'Rosin the Bow,'
To welcome old 'Rosin the Bow,'
For I know that good quarters are waiting
To welcome old 'Rosin the Bow.'

When I'm dead and laid out on the counter,
A voice you will hear from below,
Crying out, 'Whiskey and water
To drink to old "Rosin the Bow."
To drink...

And when I am dead, I reckon
The ladies will want to, I know,
Just lift off the lid of the coffin
And look at old 'Rosin the Bow.'
And look...

Then get a full dozen stout fellows
And stand them all round in a row,
And drink out of half-gallon bottles
To the name of old 'Rosin the Bow.'
To the name...

Then get half a dozen young fellows,
And let them all staggering go,
And dig a great hole in the meadow,
And in it toss 'Rosin the Bow.'
And in it...

Then get you a couple of tombstones,
Put one at my head and my toe,
And do not fail to scratch on it
The name of old 'Rosin the Bow.'
The name ...

I feel that great tyrant approaching,
That cruel implacable foe
That spares neither age nor condition,
Not even old 'Rosin the Bow.'
Not even...

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From:
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 01:27 PM

Ain't Rosin spelled Resin?

I used to hear this tune when I played in an Irish show band a few years back. They were not particularly devoted to folk music -- most Irish show bands are not -- but this one had a rootsy sound.

James.

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Night Owl
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 04:44 AM

And then there was the aging gentleman, whose preacher warned him that he should be thinking about the "hereafter". He replied "I do think about it all the time....whenever I walk into a room I ask myself....now what did I come in 'hereafter'?

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Banjer
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 04:34 AM

If you want more words to the same tune, Lincoln and Liberty is a favorite of many Civil War reenactors.

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Alan B
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 03:01 AM

Try also
An Ancient & old Irish COndom

in the database. Same tune, funnier words
alan B

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 12:29 AM

Kat: You said I was a keystroke ahead of you. More accurately, if I did the arithmetic right, I'm about two and a half decades ahead of you! Hence, the "Grandpa." But I've gotten a bit off subject, haven't I? Something we old geezers are often known to do. :-)

Now what did I come into this room for?

Sandy

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 12:06 AM

Well, we could, if anybody would go into the chat room that that wicked boy, Max, so nicely set up for us. The last few top of the hours I've gone in, it's just been me, myself, and I!

Still and all, I'm glad ta know yer there, and what's with the "Grandpa", your picture doesn't come anywhere near to portraying your age.....hope I can look as well at your stage of the game!

Love ya'

kat

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 02 Apr 99 - 11:54 PM

Nice to know we're both on-line tonight, Kat, m'luv! It's almost like having a conversation, ain't it?

Grandpa Paton

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Apr 99 - 11:53 PM

Ah, Sandy, just a key stroke ahead o'me!

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Apr 99 - 11:52 PM

Type in "Rosin the Beau" and it comes up. Also, you might do a forum search. I seem to recall a whole thread on this.

I do not recognise the words in the DT as the ones I grew up with, but I may be wrong.

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 02 Apr 99 - 11:51 PM

Do a search for [rosin the beau], using the box in the above right corner. As usual, spelling is everything! Wish search engines could work with "sounds like."

Sandy

Subject: Anybody know 'Old Rosin the Bow'?
From:
Date: 02 Apr 99 - 11:30 PM

I can't believe the database doesn't seem to have Old Rosin the Bow. Does anybody have the words? I think I can supply the tune.