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Old Songs Festival 1999--See you there?

bbc 03 Apr 99 - 07:54 AM
Sandy Paton 03 Apr 99 - 01:09 PM
AllisonA(Animaterra) 03 Apr 99 - 05:39 PM
karen k 03 Apr 99 - 10:56 PM
Susan of DT 04 Apr 99 - 01:02 PM
Charlie Baum 04 Apr 99 - 04:47 PM
bbc 06 May 99 - 05:12 PM
Susan A-R 06 May 99 - 10:02 PM
Barbara Shaw 19 Jun 99 - 06:26 PM
Jeri 19 Jun 99 - 09:21 PM
Banjer 19 Jun 99 - 10:27 PM
Sandy Paton 19 Jun 99 - 11:22 PM
20 Jun 99 - 12:37 AM
Jeri 20 Jun 99 - 12:38 AM
Sandy Paton 20 Jun 99 - 01:30 AM
Charlie Baum 20 Jun 99 - 01:52 AM
Sandy Paton 20 Jun 99 - 01:55 AM
Barbara Shaw 20 Jun 99 - 08:36 AM
Charlie Baum 20 Jun 99 - 03:04 PM
Banjer 20 Jun 99 - 06:01 PM
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Subject: Old Songs--See you there?
From: bbc
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 07:54 AM

I am wondering how many will be able to get together at the Old Songs Festival in Altamont, NY (near Albany), the weekend of June 25-27, 1999? Sounds like several of us are already planning to go (Count me & Duane D. in!). If you hadn't planned to come, why not join us? Order & wear those Mudcat teeshirts. Add your name to the thread, so we'll know who to look for.

The website for info is: www.oldsongs.org

email: oldsongs@oldsongs.org

bbc


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 01:09 PM

And come share a song with the poor folk who are stuck at the Folk-Legacy booth and can't get away! We'll try to set up an extra shelter behind the booth. Maybe even some folding chairs. We'll be looking for you.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 05:39 PM

I'll be there! If I'm not wearing my Mudcat tee you'll still know me by my other t-shirt (that's a hint). I agree with Sandy- the Folk-Legacy location may be the best meeting place.
See you there!
Allison


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: karen k
Date: 03 Apr 99 - 10:56 PM

I'll be there working at Folk Legacy. It's a great festival. If you've never been, give it a try. You won't be sorry. See you there.

karen k


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Susan of DT
Date: 04 Apr 99 - 01:02 PM

Dick and I will be there. Meeting at Folk Legacy is a good idea since we don't need a particular time initially. There should be several more mudcatters there.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 04 Apr 99 - 04:47 PM

I'll probably be there. I always am.

The advantage of meeting at the Folk Legacy tent is that if it's raining or cold, and we don't have our mudcat t-shirts on or they're beneath sweaters or raincoats, Sandy and Caroline can still introduce us to one another. You haven't really gotten to know someone until you let Caroline Paton introduce them to you!

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: bbc
Date: 06 May 99 - 05:12 PM

refresh!

Now that it's May, I hope we can encourage a few more of you to join us at the festival. I'd really like to meet you in person! We have sent our money in, so you can bet we'll be there! :)

bbc & Duane D.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Susan A-R
Date: 06 May 99 - 10:02 PM

RATS!! how come it all happens at onnnce!! I start my cooking/singing gig at the Village Harmony camp that weekend. Next Year!!! I'll put in an early plug for the Champlain Festival.

Susan


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 99 - 06:26 PM

We're hoping to get away to Old Songs next weekend for the first time. What should we know about it before we go? Where's the best place to camp? Should we worry about it being sold out or can we just show up? How early does the gate open? Is there much pickin' in the fields? What's the best way to get there from the Connecticut shoreline?

Hope to run into a few mudcats while we're there. Frank and I usually use the excuse of a festival to do a lot of sitting around and playing at our camper, so drop by and pick a few with us. Or see you at the Folk Legacy booth.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Jun 99 - 09:21 PM

Barbara, there's an area designated for motorhomes. If you have one of those pop-up camper things, I think you can put it anywhere. There's one end designated for quiet, and one one for folks who want to stay up late. The quiet end is only quiet until about 6:30 am when the kids start waking up.

Old Songs has a website, complete with maps, http://www.oldsongs.org/

I have been looking forward to going for a long time. I missed it two years ago because I was in Korea. I missed it last year because I got sent to Kuwait. I don't know if I'll be able to go this year because I'm really low on cash. I hope I can go, and I hope to meet lots of 'catters there.

Bring warm clothes and rain gear no matter what the weather report says. Don't worry about food - they have great food!


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Banjer
Date: 19 Jun 99 - 10:27 PM

In Kuwait? What function do you perform? Does the name Celeksi mean anything to you?


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 19 Jun 99 - 11:22 PM

Hey, Mudcatters all: We'll be looking for you around the Folk-Legacy hang-out. I plan to set up an extra gazebo-type tent behind our booth, in case we need more rain-protected space for swapping songs with Mudcatters. (Logo T-shirts are not required, but let us know who you are.)

Jeri: Sure hope you can find the wherewithal to come this year. Enjoyed meeting you at Camp Freedman and would love to see your dulcimer, so bring it along. If you don't know Animaterra, you should, and we can introduce you at Old Songs.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
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Date: 20 Jun 99 - 12:37 AM

Barbara Shaw--Anyplace there is fine to camp. The RV area is a quiet space, and the campground is set up so that the West end (nearest the entrance) is early to bed, early to rise, while the Eastern end (nearest the main stage) is for night owls who want to play all night and maybe sleep in the morning. You'll get a map with your ticket, and friendly volunteers will direct first-timers to the appropriate place. But there's plenty of places to make music. In fact, virtually the entire festival site is available after hours as potential music-making space. It's all quite compact, and there WILL be music.

The gate are open on Thursday evening from 6 to 11 pm. Early enough for you? Or show up on Friday anytime after 11 am. In the early days of Old Songs, the camping space used to sell out, but they've long since added additional territory to the campground, so you're probably okay showing up without an advance ticket.

Bring rain gear. Unlike other festivals, this one goes on rain or shine, and the audience will stay seated and listening during rainshowers and even during thunderstorms.

Best routing depends on where on the Connecticut shoreline you're starting from.

From Fairfield County, go north (on 7 or 684) to 84, then go North on the Taconic Pkwy to I-90, I-90 east until the intersection with I-87 (which is at NY Thruway Exit 24), then follow directions on the Oldsongs website (see blue clicky above). Or take I-84 across teh Newburgh-Beacon Bridge and the New York Thruway North to Exit 24.

From Old Saybrook or that area, I'd go North on 9 to I-91, I-91 North to the Mass Pike, then West on Mass Pike and I-90 to the junction with I-87, and follow the directions on the Old Songs website.

From New Haven, Conn., where I used to live: Ct 63 North to I-84, I-84 West, CT 8 North to Thomaston, CT 254 to Litchfield, CT 63 North through Goshen toward Canaan, US 7 North to Great Barrington, MA 23 to Egremont, MA/NY 71 North, NY 22 North, NY 203 West through Spencertown, Taconic Parkway North, I-90 West to I-87, and followw Oldsongs directions. That all sounds complicated, but it's direct, has fairly few congested areas or traffic lights, and is quite scenic. (I actually used to take a shortcut on an unnumbered road from Sheffield, Mass. to Egremont, Mass., bypassing Great Barrington)

Bring instruments if you play them. Bring a Sacred Harp book if you like shape-note singing. Bring something to keep you dry (it usually rains at least some of the time) and something to keep you warm (some years, it gets chilly at night). Bring a kite if you like kite-flying. Bring seating for yourself at the mainstage: Seating at the evening concerts is divided by chair types: lawn chairs and high-backed seating on the right; sand-chairs and low-to-the ground chairs toward the left. Blankets and ground mats even farther to the left. That way, your view isn't blocked; but do bring enough seating of the same type for everyone. You can bring food if you want, but you can buy almost any kind of food you'd like at the Festival. Unlike some festivals, alcohol isn't prohibited, yet I've never seen anybody get drunk there. And the crafts are excellent: if you like beautiful hand-made things, bring money or a credit card.

Barring family emergencies, I plan to be there. See you all then.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 12:38 AM

Sandy, the more I consider it, the more I'm determined to go. I hope I get there early enough to get in. I also hope I find all the pieces of my tent. I very much enjoyed meeting you at Camp Freedman as well. I met and chatted with you at Old Songs in '95, but you wouldn't remember.

Charlie, I know what you mean about Caroline's introductions - she introduced me to Sandy. Such a sweet, wonderful, warm person. (Aw heck, they're both like that!)

Banjer, the Air Force sent me to Kuwait. There was one doctor, one med tech, and me as the public health tech operating a very small clinic. Temperatures up in the 130s during the day, down in the 90s at night and not one single case of heat-related illness. Sometime I'll tell you about Boomer, who wandered out of the desert as a puppy at the end of the war and got "adopted." I don't recognize the name "Celeski," should I?


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 01:30 AM

Great directions, Charlie! Neat route up from New Haven. I'll have to look at a map to see what route that was that by-passed Great Barrington. Must have taken you over to Rt. 41 and then up to Egremont. I think I know where it is.

Hope Lisa is coming to Old Songs with you. Song-swaps at the F-L hangout could sure use her! See you there.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 01:52 AM

Alas, Sandy, Lisa's not likely to make it this year. But I'll be there with all the new old songs I've been working on this year.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 01:55 AM

Looking forward to it, Charlie. But we'll really miss Lisa.
Sandy


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 08:36 AM

Jeri and Charlie,

Thanks for all the information! Jeri, I hope you get to go. (I hope I get to go, too). Charlie, great directions. Now we just have to decide which ones to follow, since we live in Branford. . .

We're long-time campers, and my packing list always includes rain gear, cold clothes, hot clothes, etc. so we should be OK, providing I get time to pack! Always travel with guitar, bass, banjo, fiddle and mandolin, so we're looking forward to jams. Have barely picked up an instrument in weeks, so NEED to get away.

See ya!


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 03:04 PM

Actually, the light of morning (and a refresher look at a map) reveals a couple of holes in my directions from New Haven to Old Songs:

CT 63 North to CT 69 North (that's a route number I left out) ti I-84 West into Waterbury to CT 8 North. (Or you can take CT 63 North to Naugatuck and then CT 8 North).

Exit at Thomaston, and take CT 254 to Litchfield.
Then (I left this out) you'll have to follow CT 118 the last half-mile to the LItchfield green, where you can pick up CT 63 North again (having bypassed the slow parts of CT 63 through Watertown).

CT 63 North, US 7 North, MA 23 West, MA/NY 71 North. The bit about 203 through Spencertown to the Taconic State Parkway might not work if you're camper is prohibited from the TSP. If that's the case, just follow NY 22 North to the New York Thruway, and the New York Thruway/I-90 West to Albany.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Banjer
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 06:01 PM

eri, LTC Celeski worked out of SOCCENT at McDill AFB here in Tampa and was part of our reenactment unit while stationed here. A lot of his work was done in Kuwait. I didn't know if you may have run across him somewhere in your travels.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 06:32 PM

The name doesn't ring a bell, but that doesn't mean I didn't run into him. I was working with the TALCE (Tactical AirLift Control Element) at the airport. Almost everybody came and went through there. (Lookout folks, we're flinging acronyms around - 'Spaw, would this be thread CRAP? Continuous Reference to Acronyms in Posts?)


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Chris Seymour
Date: 20 Jun 99 - 11:06 PM

I am an occasional 'catter and will be making my first trip to Old Songs this year. I'll certainly check out the Folk-Legacy booth, since several F-L recordings were big parts of my growing up a folkie (Hedy West, Joe Hickerson, Michael Cooney, Golden Ring, to name a few). Thanks, Sandy and Caroline!

I don't have a Mudcat Shirt but do have shirts from my old home club The Cherry Tree in Philadelphia, and I will have my banjo.

See you there,

Chris


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 21 Jun 99 - 01:36 PM

Yes! I've been looking forward to this all year! I'll be there, wearing either my Mudcat or my Animaterra tshirt. Charlie is right about bringing rain gear. And there's pleny of food, but it adds up, so we'll be cooking - and happy to share potluck with anyone who cares to join us. I'll be arriving just in time to go to the Celtic guitar workshop at 3- see you there!
Allison


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 21 Jun 99 - 03:59 PM

I guess I'll toss some Mudcat Tee-shirts into the car, in case any shirtless Mudcateers get guilt pangs. Just think--you could save two bucks on postage.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: bbc
Date: 21 Jun 99 - 05:03 PM

Great idea, Dick!

bbc


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Jun 99 - 06:06 PM

YES, DICK!!! I don't have one yet, and I'm afraid no one will recognize me.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Susan of DT
Date: 21 Jun 99 - 08:40 PM

Jeri and Chris - Go to the Folk Legacy booth. We will congrgate there periodically. And most of the rest of us will have tee shirts.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: clpony@aol.com
Date: 21 Jun 99 - 09:18 PM

hep me! struggling hard to find the full lyrics to a song called marie, which i first heard on a judy collins album. it starts like this "you looked like an angel the night we met, with your hair piled up high, i will never forget," and it ends like this, "I loved you, i loved you the first time i saw you, and i always will love you marie." give me the words and i will put them with guitar on a minidisc and send them to you just because. thanks. chas.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 21 Jun 99 - 10:23 PM

Dick and Susan: Bring a bunch of 'em and we'll peddle 'em for you at the booth. Tuck a Mudcat URL in each and urge Mudless Cats to join up. Karen K. says she'll be wearing hers as she works her fingers to the bone as a highly paid volunteer (read: slave) at the booth. Now if I can get her to also bring along her Martin... Are you listening, Karen?

Simon (Sandy) LeGree (spelling?)


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 29 Jun 99 - 11:30 PM

A perfectly wonderful time, and a chance to meet Mudcatters from all over, including Dick Greenhaus, Susan of DT, Sandy Paton and Caroline, Animaterra and her husband Lindsay, bbc and Duane, Barbara Shaw and Frank, Karen K, Jeri, Chris Seymour, and Bill Sables (in from England)! [Who did I leave out?] It was a real kick being able to jam and make music instead of merely chatting (not that we didn't chat a lot as well.)

On Saturday night, I sang "The Prodigal Son", and Chris and at least one of the Barbaras asked me for the words. It's a separate post.

I hope to make music IRL (in real life) with Mudcatters again soon. I should be at the FSGW Getawway in October. (I'd better be--I'm one of the co-chairs!)

To anyone who didn't make it to Old Songs but has a chance next year--GO!

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: Lyr Add: Marie^^
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 12:08 AM

clpony,

We usually post song requests on a separate thread.

Marie is by Randy Newman, I believe it is intended to be sung "tongue in cheek".

You looked like a princess the night we met.
With your hair piled up high, I will never forget.
I'm drunk right now, baby, but I got to be,
Or I never could tell you what you mean to me.

I loved you the first time I saw you.
And I always will love you, Marie.
I loved you, yes, I loved you,
The first time I saw you,
And I always will love you, Marie.

You're the song that the trees sing when the wind blows.
You're a flower, you're a river, you're a rainbow.
And sometimes I'm crazy, but I guess you know.
I'm weak and I'm lazy and I've hurt you so.

But I love you, and I loved you,
The first time I saw you.
And I always will love you, Marie.
Yes, I loved you, and I loved you,
The first time I saw you,
And I always will love you, Marie.

I sang this song at an open mike and dedicated it to my friend, Marie. She assumed I was expressing undying love and it caused her to put some distance in our relationship that did not resolve until I clearly fell in love with someone else. The song is so pretty, that it is easy to ignore what an "asshole" the protagonist is.

Big Rib


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 12:18 AM

Oops, messed up the last verse. It should read.

You're the song that the trees sing when the wind blows.
You're a flower, you're a river, you're a rainbow.
And sometimes I'm crazy, but I guess you know.
I'm weak and I'm lazy and I've hurt you so.
And I don't listen to a word you say.
And when you're in trouble, I just turn away.

Big RiB


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Subject: I would like to Have the Lyrics to......
From: j_man_397
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 06:39 PM

Hey, it would be really helpful if you could send me the lyrics to "Aloutta", Thnx,

It would really help!!

THNX:)


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Chris Seymour
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 10:46 PM

Lovely time -- great pleasure meeting and singing with Caroline and Sandy Paton, whose recordings contributed so much to my musical development, as well as Charlie, Jeri, Barbara, Dick and several others. Wonderful festival, and I'll surely be back next year.


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 10:52 PM

Hey, we were all delighted to get to know Chris Seymour at Old Songs. Fine banjo picking, singing, and a great choice of songs to share. This is a neat guy, folks, and we hope he'll show up (along with many others) at bbc's house party on the 31st! Put it in your datebook, Chris.

Sandy


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: Chris Seymour
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 10:59 PM

Thanks, much for the kind words, Sandy.

July 31st, I assume? Can you tell me more? (email me if you want at cslj@mindspring.com)

best,

Chris


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
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Date: 30 Jun 99 - 11:13 PM

Look at this lineup! Any Mudcateer would be crazy to miss it if there is even an inkling of a chance to get there. Glenn and I are going to try like heck to get there. October is sooo very far away.

What fun. We would like to stay in the cabins, please.

Love, annap


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
From: bbc
Date: 30 Jun 99 - 11:29 PM

Chris,

I started a thread "Bill Sables' send-off party" & it has more details. Yes, it is Sat., July 31st, from noon to 10 pm in Yorktown Heights, NY--approx. 1 hr N of NYC. Hope you & others will be able to come!

bbc


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Subject: RE: Old Songs--See you there?
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Date: 30 Jun 99 - 11:46 PM

Annap--Not sure if you're conflating Old Songs, your gathering, bbc's gathering, and the Getaway. At this rate, by the time the Getaway rolls around in October, a lot of us Mudcatters in the Northeastern U.S. will have become good friends in real life as well as on-line.

--Charlie Baum


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