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Azizi 19 Jan 08 - 07:53 PM
Bobert 19 Jan 08 - 08:02 PM
Riginslinger 19 Jan 08 - 08:07 PM
Riginslinger 19 Jan 08 - 08:09 PM
Azizi 19 Jan 08 - 08:26 PM
Bobert 19 Jan 08 - 08:44 PM
Peace 19 Jan 08 - 08:47 PM
Azizi 20 Jan 08 - 06:57 AM
Azizi 20 Jan 08 - 07:12 AM
Bobert 20 Jan 08 - 09:27 AM
Charley Noble 20 Jan 08 - 11:16 AM
Amos 20 Jan 08 - 11:24 AM
Ron Davies 20 Jan 08 - 11:40 AM
Bobert 20 Jan 08 - 11:51 AM
Bobert 20 Jan 08 - 11:51 AM
Riginslinger 20 Jan 08 - 12:32 PM
Little Hawk 20 Jan 08 - 12:42 PM
Amos 20 Jan 08 - 12:59 PM
Azizi 20 Jan 08 - 11:57 PM
mg 21 Jan 08 - 01:54 AM
mg 21 Jan 08 - 01:56 AM
CarolC 21 Jan 08 - 02:42 AM
mg 21 Jan 08 - 03:08 AM
artbrooks 21 Jan 08 - 04:00 AM
Bobert 21 Jan 08 - 09:37 AM
Riginslinger 21 Jan 08 - 10:36 AM
Charley Noble 21 Jan 08 - 11:06 AM
Ron Davies 21 Jan 08 - 11:37 AM
Richard Bridge 21 Jan 08 - 01:17 PM
Charley Noble 21 Jan 08 - 03:07 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jan 08 - 04:21 PM
Ron Davies 21 Jan 08 - 04:30 PM
Ron Davies 21 Jan 08 - 04:34 PM
Richard Bridge 21 Jan 08 - 05:16 PM
Ron Davies 21 Jan 08 - 05:23 PM
Bobert 21 Jan 08 - 05:32 PM
Little Hawk 21 Jan 08 - 05:45 PM
Bobert 21 Jan 08 - 06:36 PM
Ron Davies 21 Jan 08 - 07:02 PM
Richard Bridge 21 Jan 08 - 09:06 PM
Little Hawk 21 Jan 08 - 10:29 PM
Ron Davies 21 Jan 08 - 11:30 PM
Ron Davies 21 Jan 08 - 11:33 PM
Richard Bridge 22 Jan 08 - 03:09 AM
beardedbruce 22 Jan 08 - 01:04 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Jan 08 - 02:01 PM
beardedbruce 22 Jan 08 - 04:13 PM
Little Hawk 22 Jan 08 - 04:21 PM
beardedbruce 22 Jan 08 - 04:59 PM
Little Hawk 22 Jan 08 - 06:20 PM
beardedbruce 22 Jan 08 - 06:36 PM
Little Hawk 22 Jan 08 - 07:16 PM
Charley Noble 22 Jan 08 - 08:42 PM
Azizi 22 Jan 08 - 10:03 PM
Ron Davies 22 Jan 08 - 11:36 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 12:02 AM
Ron Davies 23 Jan 08 - 12:08 AM
Kweku 23 Jan 08 - 11:10 AM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 11:22 AM
Amos 23 Jan 08 - 11:34 AM
Richard Bridge 23 Jan 08 - 11:51 AM
CarolC 23 Jan 08 - 11:57 AM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 12:28 PM
Amos 23 Jan 08 - 12:59 PM
Charley Noble 23 Jan 08 - 01:55 PM
Amos 23 Jan 08 - 03:59 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 06:20 PM
Riginslinger 23 Jan 08 - 06:38 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 06:41 PM
mg 23 Jan 08 - 06:55 PM
Amos 23 Jan 08 - 07:01 PM
Amos 23 Jan 08 - 07:27 PM
CarolC 23 Jan 08 - 07:52 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 08:00 PM
mg 23 Jan 08 - 08:12 PM
Bobert 23 Jan 08 - 08:50 PM
Amos 23 Jan 08 - 08:58 PM
Ron Davies 23 Jan 08 - 10:21 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 10:41 PM
Amos 23 Jan 08 - 10:45 PM
Ron Davies 23 Jan 08 - 10:46 PM
Ron Davies 23 Jan 08 - 10:50 PM
Little Hawk 23 Jan 08 - 11:11 PM
Riginslinger 25 Jan 08 - 04:22 PM
Charley Noble 25 Jan 08 - 04:40 PM
Riginslinger 25 Jan 08 - 05:15 PM
Azizi 25 Jan 08 - 11:50 PM
Ron Davies 26 Jan 08 - 01:16 PM
Riginslinger 26 Jan 08 - 01:20 PM
Azizi 26 Jan 08 - 01:46 PM
Ron Davies 26 Jan 08 - 01:58 PM
Azizi 26 Jan 08 - 04:14 PM
mg 26 Jan 08 - 04:31 PM
Amos 26 Jan 08 - 04:36 PM
Amos 26 Jan 08 - 04:39 PM
Riginslinger 26 Jan 08 - 04:50 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Jan 08 - 05:28 PM
mg 26 Jan 08 - 05:41 PM
Amos 26 Jan 08 - 07:24 PM
Amos 26 Jan 08 - 08:48 PM
Riginslinger 26 Jan 08 - 09:35 PM
Azizi 26 Jan 08 - 10:25 PM
Azizi 26 Jan 08 - 10:50 PM
katlaughing 26 Jan 08 - 11:38 PM
Azizi 27 Jan 08 - 11:47 AM
Ron Davies 27 Jan 08 - 11:50 AM
Azizi 27 Jan 08 - 03:42 PM
Azizi 27 Jan 08 - 03:47 PM
Amos 28 Jan 08 - 10:03 AM
Amos 28 Jan 08 - 03:35 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Jan 08 - 05:14 PM
Amos 28 Jan 08 - 05:29 PM
Riginslinger 28 Jan 08 - 06:25 PM
Donuel 28 Jan 08 - 06:57 PM
Bobert 28 Jan 08 - 07:18 PM
Riginslinger 28 Jan 08 - 07:37 PM
Ron Davies 28 Jan 08 - 10:10 PM
Donuel 28 Jan 08 - 10:27 PM
Riginslinger 28 Jan 08 - 11:42 PM
Ron Davies 29 Jan 08 - 07:25 AM
Little Hawk 29 Jan 08 - 07:30 AM
Charley Noble 29 Jan 08 - 08:52 AM
Liz the Squeak 29 Jan 08 - 08:55 AM
Amos 29 Jan 08 - 07:20 PM
Ron Davies 30 Jan 08 - 07:08 AM
Ron Davies 30 Jan 08 - 07:10 AM
McGrath of Harlow 30 Jan 08 - 07:39 AM
Riginslinger 30 Jan 08 - 08:28 AM
Amos 30 Jan 08 - 11:26 AM
Bobert 30 Jan 08 - 11:41 AM
Richard Bridge 30 Jan 08 - 11:44 AM
Big Mick 30 Jan 08 - 12:21 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 30 Jan 08 - 12:40 PM
Little Hawk 30 Jan 08 - 12:45 PM
Big Mick 30 Jan 08 - 12:54 PM
Amos 30 Jan 08 - 12:59 PM
McGrath of Harlow 30 Jan 08 - 03:29 PM
Big Mick 30 Jan 08 - 03:44 PM
GUEST,mg 30 Jan 08 - 04:20 PM
Little Hawk 30 Jan 08 - 05:04 PM
McGrath of Harlow 30 Jan 08 - 06:47 PM
McGrath of Harlow 30 Jan 08 - 07:05 PM
Ron Davies 31 Jan 08 - 06:24 AM
Ron Davies 31 Jan 08 - 07:28 AM
McGrath of Harlow 31 Jan 08 - 09:08 AM
Riginslinger 31 Jan 08 - 11:20 AM
Amos 31 Jan 08 - 11:34 AM
Amos 31 Jan 08 - 11:36 AM
Amos 31 Jan 08 - 11:50 AM
Riginslinger 31 Jan 08 - 01:21 PM
Amos 31 Jan 08 - 02:32 PM
Amos 31 Jan 08 - 03:02 PM
McGrath of Harlow 31 Jan 08 - 05:20 PM
Riginslinger 31 Jan 08 - 08:47 PM
Ron Davies 31 Jan 08 - 11:28 PM
Little Hawk 31 Jan 08 - 11:33 PM
Riginslinger 01 Feb 08 - 08:15 AM
Donuel 01 Feb 08 - 11:27 AM
Little Hawk 01 Feb 08 - 12:09 PM
Amos 01 Feb 08 - 12:29 PM
Donuel 01 Feb 08 - 12:55 PM
Amos 01 Feb 08 - 04:37 PM
GUEST,mg 01 Feb 08 - 04:47 PM
Azizi 01 Feb 08 - 07:31 PM
Nickhere 01 Feb 08 - 07:50 PM
Amos 01 Feb 08 - 07:52 PM
Azizi 02 Feb 08 - 07:30 AM
Azizi 02 Feb 08 - 08:58 AM
Azizi 02 Feb 08 - 09:59 AM
Amos 02 Feb 08 - 10:21 AM
Amos 02 Feb 08 - 10:56 AM
Big Mick 02 Feb 08 - 11:09 AM
Amos 02 Feb 08 - 12:06 PM
Azizi 02 Feb 08 - 01:59 PM
Amos 02 Feb 08 - 03:03 PM
Chanteyranger 03 Feb 08 - 04:44 AM
Amos 03 Feb 08 - 09:40 AM
Amos 03 Feb 08 - 09:55 AM
Rapparee 03 Feb 08 - 12:10 PM
Amos 03 Feb 08 - 03:49 PM
Amos 03 Feb 08 - 04:39 PM
Amos 03 Feb 08 - 09:41 PM
Azizi 03 Feb 08 - 10:40 PM
Peace 03 Feb 08 - 10:43 PM
Little Hawk 03 Feb 08 - 10:54 PM
Ron Davies 03 Feb 08 - 11:06 PM
Little Hawk 03 Feb 08 - 11:13 PM
Azizi 03 Feb 08 - 11:17 PM
Ron Davies 03 Feb 08 - 11:18 PM
Azizi 03 Feb 08 - 11:37 PM
Azizi 03 Feb 08 - 11:56 PM
Amos 03 Feb 08 - 11:59 PM
Azizi 04 Feb 08 - 01:06 AM
McGrath of Harlow 04 Feb 08 - 08:12 AM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 10:45 AM
McGrath of Harlow 04 Feb 08 - 11:15 AM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 11:21 AM
mg 04 Feb 08 - 12:28 PM
Charley Noble 04 Feb 08 - 12:33 PM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 12:39 PM
artbrooks 04 Feb 08 - 01:03 PM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 01:30 PM
McGrath of Harlow 04 Feb 08 - 02:42 PM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 02:48 PM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 02:59 PM
GUEST,mg 04 Feb 08 - 03:04 PM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 03:24 PM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 03:39 PM
Amos 04 Feb 08 - 04:15 PM
Big Mick 04 Feb 08 - 08:14 PM
mg 04 Feb 08 - 09:47 PM
mg 04 Feb 08 - 09:48 PM
Little Hawk 04 Feb 08 - 11:04 PM
mg 05 Feb 08 - 01:38 AM
Azizi 05 Feb 08 - 07:00 AM
Azizi 05 Feb 08 - 07:55 AM
GUEST,Guest 05 Feb 08 - 08:39 AM
GUEST,Guest 05 Feb 08 - 08:54 AM
Amos 05 Feb 08 - 10:18 AM
Riginslinger 05 Feb 08 - 10:25 AM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Feb 08 - 12:21 PM
Charley Noble 05 Feb 08 - 04:58 PM
Amos 05 Feb 08 - 05:35 PM
Amos 05 Feb 08 - 05:56 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Feb 08 - 06:20 PM
Amos 06 Feb 08 - 03:38 PM
Little Hawk 06 Feb 08 - 04:11 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Feb 08 - 06:17 PM
Little Hawk 06 Feb 08 - 06:25 PM
GUEST,mg 06 Feb 08 - 07:32 PM
Bobert 06 Feb 08 - 08:03 PM
Riginslinger 06 Feb 08 - 09:20 PM
Bobert 06 Feb 08 - 09:48 PM
Ron Davies 06 Feb 08 - 09:51 PM
Amos 07 Feb 08 - 09:53 AM
Riginslinger 07 Feb 08 - 10:17 AM
Amos 07 Feb 08 - 10:29 AM
Big Mick 07 Feb 08 - 01:17 PM
Riginslinger 07 Feb 08 - 03:58 PM
Big Mick 07 Feb 08 - 04:13 PM
Riginslinger 07 Feb 08 - 04:52 PM
Big Mick 07 Feb 08 - 04:54 PM
Riginslinger 07 Feb 08 - 05:01 PM
Big Mick 07 Feb 08 - 05:44 PM
Riginslinger 07 Feb 08 - 06:24 PM
Amos 07 Feb 08 - 07:21 PM
John O'L 07 Feb 08 - 07:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Feb 08 - 08:10 PM
Little Hawk 07 Feb 08 - 08:12 PM
Riginslinger 08 Feb 08 - 06:55 AM
Amos 08 Feb 08 - 01:06 PM
Amos 08 Feb 08 - 02:17 PM
Amos 08 Feb 08 - 03:45 PM
Bobert 08 Feb 08 - 06:26 PM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 12:32 AM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 09:30 AM
Charley Noble 09 Feb 08 - 09:49 AM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 11:11 AM
Riginslinger 09 Feb 08 - 11:16 AM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 11:36 AM
Riginslinger 09 Feb 08 - 01:18 PM
Ron Davies 09 Feb 08 - 01:39 PM
Ron Davies 09 Feb 08 - 01:52 PM
Riginslinger 09 Feb 08 - 02:20 PM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 02:35 PM
McGrath of Harlow 09 Feb 08 - 02:49 PM
Ron Davies 09 Feb 08 - 03:35 PM
Big Mick 09 Feb 08 - 03:57 PM
Riginslinger 09 Feb 08 - 04:52 PM
Big Mick 09 Feb 08 - 05:11 PM
Riginslinger 09 Feb 08 - 05:49 PM
GUEST 09 Feb 08 - 06:04 PM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 08:40 PM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 08:55 PM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 09:04 PM
Amos 09 Feb 08 - 09:06 PM
Amos 10 Feb 08 - 01:10 AM
GUEST,Guest 10 Feb 08 - 10:50 AM
Riginslinger 10 Feb 08 - 10:58 AM
Amos 10 Feb 08 - 11:01 AM
GUEST,Guest 10 Feb 08 - 11:11 AM
Amos 10 Feb 08 - 11:33 AM
Amos 10 Feb 08 - 11:35 AM
GUEST,Guest 10 Feb 08 - 11:38 AM
Amos 10 Feb 08 - 11:46 AM
Big Mick 10 Feb 08 - 12:11 PM
GUEST,Guest 10 Feb 08 - 12:27 PM
GUEST,Guest 10 Feb 08 - 12:47 PM
Don Firth 10 Feb 08 - 02:03 PM
Riginslinger 10 Feb 08 - 02:04 PM
Amos 10 Feb 08 - 07:06 PM
McGrath of Harlow 10 Feb 08 - 07:21 PM
Riginslinger 10 Feb 08 - 09:08 PM
Amos 11 Feb 08 - 12:32 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Feb 08 - 12:51 PM
Azizi 11 Feb 08 - 07:57 PM
Ron Davies 11 Feb 08 - 09:38 PM
Ron Davies 11 Feb 08 - 09:46 PM
Charley Noble 11 Feb 08 - 09:55 PM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 08:41 AM
Riginslinger 12 Feb 08 - 08:46 AM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 11:13 AM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 01:12 PM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 01:19 PM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 02:54 PM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 03:02 PM
Riginslinger 12 Feb 08 - 03:43 PM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 08:01 PM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 08:21 PM
Ron Davies 12 Feb 08 - 08:34 PM
Riginslinger 12 Feb 08 - 09:58 PM
Ron Davies 12 Feb 08 - 10:29 PM
Amos 12 Feb 08 - 10:31 PM
Riginslinger 12 Feb 08 - 11:36 PM
GUEST,Guest 12 Feb 08 - 11:43 PM
wysiwyg 13 Feb 08 - 12:06 AM
Amos 13 Feb 08 - 12:29 AM
Amos 13 Feb 08 - 08:16 AM
Amos 13 Feb 08 - 09:10 AM
Amos 13 Feb 08 - 12:15 PM
Ron Davies 13 Feb 08 - 12:24 PM
Ron Davies 13 Feb 08 - 12:28 PM
Amos 13 Feb 08 - 01:58 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Feb 08 - 03:23 PM
Charley Noble 13 Feb 08 - 06:25 PM
GUEST,mg 13 Feb 08 - 06:44 PM
Amos 13 Feb 08 - 07:50 PM
Charley Noble 13 Feb 08 - 07:57 PM
Riginslinger 13 Feb 08 - 08:54 PM
Ron Davies 13 Feb 08 - 09:06 PM
Amos 13 Feb 08 - 11:22 PM
Ron Davies 14 Feb 08 - 07:24 AM
Amos 14 Feb 08 - 09:20 AM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Feb 08 - 12:44 PM
Riginslinger 14 Feb 08 - 04:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Feb 08 - 05:25 PM
GUEST,John O'L 14 Feb 08 - 05:55 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 14 Feb 08 - 06:02 PM
Riginslinger 14 Feb 08 - 06:46 PM
Don Firth 14 Feb 08 - 07:39 PM
Amos 14 Feb 08 - 07:56 PM
Amos 15 Feb 08 - 10:18 AM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Feb 08 - 10:24 AM
Amos 15 Feb 08 - 10:29 AM
Amos 15 Feb 08 - 10:30 AM
Little Hawk 15 Feb 08 - 12:15 PM
Amos 15 Feb 08 - 12:15 PM
Amos 15 Feb 08 - 12:41 PM
Little Hawk 15 Feb 08 - 01:00 PM
Amos 15 Feb 08 - 03:55 PM
Amos 15 Feb 08 - 07:54 PM
McGrath of Harlow 15 Feb 08 - 08:19 PM
Amos 16 Feb 08 - 09:37 AM
Charley Noble 16 Feb 08 - 10:03 AM
Ron Davies 16 Feb 08 - 02:14 PM
Riginslinger 16 Feb 08 - 02:21 PM
Amos 16 Feb 08 - 02:32 PM
Amos 16 Feb 08 - 03:37 PM
GUEST,dianavan 16 Feb 08 - 04:24 PM
GUEST,mg 16 Feb 08 - 04:29 PM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Feb 08 - 04:50 PM
Amos 16 Feb 08 - 05:10 PM
Amos 16 Feb 08 - 05:13 PM
GUEST,mg 16 Feb 08 - 05:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 16 Feb 08 - 05:53 PM
Ron Davies 16 Feb 08 - 06:21 PM
Riginslinger 16 Feb 08 - 09:24 PM
Amos 17 Feb 08 - 05:09 AM
Amos 17 Feb 08 - 10:41 AM
Ron Davies 17 Feb 08 - 04:02 PM
Ron Davies 17 Feb 08 - 04:58 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Feb 08 - 05:34 PM
Amos 18 Feb 08 - 10:38 AM
Little Hawk 18 Feb 08 - 12:05 PM
Amos 18 Feb 08 - 12:14 PM
Little Hawk 18 Feb 08 - 12:26 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Feb 08 - 12:42 PM
Little Hawk 18 Feb 08 - 12:54 PM
Ron Davies 18 Feb 08 - 01:45 PM
Little Hawk 18 Feb 08 - 02:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Feb 08 - 02:45 PM
Riginslinger 18 Feb 08 - 04:15 PM
Little Hawk 18 Feb 08 - 04:40 PM
Ron Davies 18 Feb 08 - 07:44 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Feb 08 - 07:56 PM
Ron Davies 18 Feb 08 - 08:03 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Feb 08 - 08:26 PM
Ron Davies 18 Feb 08 - 11:31 PM
Little Hawk 19 Feb 08 - 12:22 AM
Little Hawk 19 Feb 08 - 12:22 AM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Feb 08 - 06:21 AM
Ron Davies 19 Feb 08 - 08:11 AM
Ron Davies 19 Feb 08 - 08:57 AM
Amos 19 Feb 08 - 09:01 AM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Feb 08 - 12:08 PM
Little Hawk 19 Feb 08 - 12:12 PM
Don Firth 19 Feb 08 - 12:37 PM
Amos 19 Feb 08 - 01:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 19 Feb 08 - 05:30 PM
Amos 19 Feb 08 - 11:01 PM
Ron Davies 20 Feb 08 - 12:45 AM
Charley Noble 20 Feb 08 - 08:26 AM
Amos 20 Feb 08 - 08:51 AM
Amos 20 Feb 08 - 10:25 AM
Donuel 20 Feb 08 - 02:12 PM
Amos 20 Feb 08 - 02:18 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Feb 08 - 04:25 PM
Donuel 20 Feb 08 - 07:44 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Feb 08 - 07:54 PM
Amos 20 Feb 08 - 08:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Feb 08 - 08:31 PM
Riginslinger 20 Feb 08 - 09:42 PM
GUEST,Guest 20 Feb 08 - 09:56 PM
GUEST,Guest 20 Feb 08 - 09:56 PM
GUEST,Guest 20 Feb 08 - 09:56 PM
GUEST,Guest 20 Feb 08 - 09:57 PM
Amos 20 Feb 08 - 10:13 PM
Big Mick 20 Feb 08 - 10:16 PM
Charley Noble 20 Feb 08 - 10:21 PM
GUEST,Guest 20 Feb 08 - 10:29 PM
GUEST,mg 20 Feb 08 - 10:55 PM
GUEST,Guest 20 Feb 08 - 11:01 PM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 09:27 AM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 11:16 AM
Riginslinger 21 Feb 08 - 11:47 AM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 12:01 PM
Riginslinger 21 Feb 08 - 12:18 PM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 12:49 PM
Charley Noble 21 Feb 08 - 01:06 PM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 01:35 PM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 05:43 PM
Riginslinger 21 Feb 08 - 07:22 PM
Riginslinger 21 Feb 08 - 07:45 PM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 07:46 PM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 07:47 PM
Amos 21 Feb 08 - 07:50 PM
McGrath of Harlow 21 Feb 08 - 09:24 PM
Charley Noble 21 Feb 08 - 09:49 PM
Ron Davies 21 Feb 08 - 10:49 PM
GUEST,Guest 22 Feb 08 - 08:05 AM
Kweku 22 Feb 08 - 08:34 AM
Riginslinger 22 Feb 08 - 08:38 AM
GUEST,Guest 22 Feb 08 - 08:46 AM
GUEST,Guest 22 Feb 08 - 09:00 AM
Charley Noble 22 Feb 08 - 09:00 AM
Big Mick 22 Feb 08 - 09:03 AM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Feb 08 - 09:38 AM
Amos 22 Feb 08 - 10:12 AM
Amos 22 Feb 08 - 10:24 AM
Riginslinger 22 Feb 08 - 10:45 AM
Amos 22 Feb 08 - 01:00 PM
GUEST,GUEST 22 Feb 08 - 08:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 Feb 08 - 08:39 PM
Charley Noble 22 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM
GUEST,GUEST 22 Feb 08 - 08:59 PM
GUEST,Guest 22 Feb 08 - 09:02 PM
Amos 22 Feb 08 - 09:26 PM
GUEST,Guest 22 Feb 08 - 09:29 PM
Amos 23 Feb 08 - 12:10 AM
Amos 23 Feb 08 - 08:41 AM
Amos 23 Feb 08 - 08:44 AM
Riginslinger 23 Feb 08 - 09:54 AM
Big Mick 23 Feb 08 - 10:07 AM
Azizi 23 Feb 08 - 11:59 AM
Bill D 23 Feb 08 - 12:14 PM
Amos 23 Feb 08 - 01:11 PM
Ron Davies 23 Feb 08 - 03:00 PM
Riginslinger 23 Feb 08 - 05:53 PM
McGrath of Harlow 23 Feb 08 - 06:02 PM
Riginslinger 23 Feb 08 - 08:41 PM
GUEST,Guest 23 Feb 08 - 09:09 PM
GUEST,Guest 23 Feb 08 - 09:11 PM
GUEST,Guest 23 Feb 08 - 09:17 PM
Amos 23 Feb 08 - 09:23 PM
GUEST,Guest 23 Feb 08 - 09:49 PM
GUEST,Guest 23 Feb 08 - 09:57 PM
Amos 23 Feb 08 - 10:10 PM
Don Firth 23 Feb 08 - 10:10 PM
GUEST,Guest 23 Feb 08 - 10:41 PM
Amos 23 Feb 08 - 10:47 PM
GUEST,Guest 23 Feb 08 - 11:11 PM
DannyC 23 Feb 08 - 11:55 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 12:14 AM
Big Mick 24 Feb 08 - 12:15 AM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 12:21 AM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 12:26 AM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 12:35 AM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 01:01 AM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 09:04 AM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 09:13 AM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Feb 08 - 09:14 AM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 09:36 AM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 09:42 AM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 11:39 AM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 12:18 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 08 - 01:05 PM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Feb 08 - 01:39 PM
Don Firth 24 Feb 08 - 02:05 PM
Ron Davies 24 Feb 08 - 03:00 PM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 04:55 PM
GUEST,mg 24 Feb 08 - 05:06 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 08 - 05:44 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 08 - 05:47 PM
Little Hawk 24 Feb 08 - 06:15 PM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 06:22 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 08 - 07:18 PM
McGrath of Harlow 24 Feb 08 - 07:47 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 08 - 08:05 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 08:44 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 08:44 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 08:45 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 08:45 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 08:46 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 08:46 PM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 08:49 PM
GUEST,Guest 24 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM
Amos 24 Feb 08 - 08:56 PM
Riginslinger 24 Feb 08 - 11:17 PM
Ron Davies 25 Feb 08 - 10:56 PM
Amos 25 Feb 08 - 11:54 PM
Riginslinger 26 Feb 08 - 01:27 AM
Amos 26 Feb 08 - 08:31 AM
GUEST,Guest 26 Feb 08 - 08:50 AM
Amos 26 Feb 08 - 10:18 AM
Amos 26 Feb 08 - 01:22 PM
Amos 26 Feb 08 - 02:41 PM
Riginslinger 26 Feb 08 - 02:45 PM
GUEST,Guest 26 Feb 08 - 09:08 PM
Charley Noble 26 Feb 08 - 10:11 PM
GUEST,Guest 26 Feb 08 - 10:14 PM
Amos 26 Feb 08 - 10:35 PM
Amos 27 Feb 08 - 01:35 AM
Amos 27 Feb 08 - 11:14 AM
Amos 27 Feb 08 - 07:56 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Feb 08 - 08:38 PM
Little Hawk 27 Feb 08 - 08:59 PM
Ron Davies 27 Feb 08 - 09:00 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 Feb 08 - 09:25 PM
Amos 27 Feb 08 - 10:44 PM
Amos 28 Feb 08 - 11:21 AM
Amos 28 Feb 08 - 02:47 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Feb 08 - 04:24 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Feb 08 - 04:58 PM
McGrath of Harlow 28 Feb 08 - 05:31 PM
Amos 28 Feb 08 - 10:56 PM
GUEST,mg 28 Feb 08 - 11:38 PM
Ron Davies 29 Feb 08 - 07:09 AM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Feb 08 - 08:14 AM
Amos 29 Feb 08 - 09:19 AM
Amos 29 Feb 08 - 09:32 AM
Amos 29 Feb 08 - 09:38 AM
Azizi 29 Feb 08 - 12:13 PM
Azizi 29 Feb 08 - 12:48 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Feb 08 - 01:05 PM
GUEST,mg 29 Feb 08 - 01:20 PM
Azizi 29 Feb 08 - 01:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Feb 08 - 03:51 PM
Azizi 29 Feb 08 - 04:14 PM
Amos 29 Feb 08 - 04:22 PM
beardedbruce 29 Feb 08 - 05:44 PM
Riginslinger 29 Feb 08 - 06:22 PM
Amos 29 Feb 08 - 07:39 PM
GUEST,mg 29 Feb 08 - 07:46 PM
Amos 29 Feb 08 - 09:23 PM
Ron Davies 29 Feb 08 - 09:51 PM
Amos 01 Mar 08 - 03:19 PM
Riginslinger 01 Mar 08 - 03:45 PM
GUEST,mg 01 Mar 08 - 04:27 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 10:59 AM
Ron Davies 02 Mar 08 - 11:00 AM
McGrath of Harlow 02 Mar 08 - 12:52 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 02:32 PM
Riginslinger 02 Mar 08 - 05:00 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 07:33 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 07:34 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 07:40 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 07:43 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 07:45 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 07:50 PM
Little Hawk 02 Mar 08 - 07:53 PM
Ron Davies 02 Mar 08 - 08:17 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM
Ron Davies 02 Mar 08 - 09:07 PM
Little Hawk 02 Mar 08 - 10:02 PM
beardedbruce 03 Mar 08 - 01:54 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 02:24 PM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Mar 08 - 05:34 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 06:15 PM
GUEST,dianavan 03 Mar 08 - 08:00 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 08:19 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 08:25 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 08:30 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 08:34 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 08:37 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 08:53 PM
Amos 04 Mar 08 - 02:31 PM
Amos 04 Mar 08 - 02:39 PM
Riginslinger 04 Mar 08 - 03:42 PM
McGrath of Harlow 04 Mar 08 - 05:01 PM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 08 - 06:08 PM
Bobert 04 Mar 08 - 06:24 PM
Amos 04 Mar 08 - 06:49 PM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 08 - 07:23 PM
Amos 04 Mar 08 - 07:38 PM
Little Hawk 04 Mar 08 - 07:47 PM
Amos 04 Mar 08 - 08:46 PM
Riginslinger 04 Mar 08 - 09:56 PM
Amos 04 Mar 08 - 10:43 PM
Ron Davies 04 Mar 08 - 11:59 PM
catspaw49 05 Mar 08 - 05:56 AM
Charley Noble 05 Mar 08 - 08:10 AM
Ron Davies 05 Mar 08 - 08:13 AM
GUEST,Guest 05 Mar 08 - 08:25 AM
Riginslinger 05 Mar 08 - 08:31 AM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 09:10 AM
Riginslinger 05 Mar 08 - 10:11 AM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 10:48 AM
DannyC 05 Mar 08 - 10:49 AM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 11:07 AM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 11:39 AM
catspaw49 05 Mar 08 - 11:52 AM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 02:22 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Mar 08 - 03:44 PM
Riginslinger 05 Mar 08 - 03:50 PM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 04:06 PM
beardedbruce 05 Mar 08 - 04:21 PM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 04:28 PM
beardedbruce 05 Mar 08 - 04:33 PM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 04:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Mar 08 - 05:31 PM
Riginslinger 05 Mar 08 - 09:27 PM
Amos 05 Mar 08 - 09:49 PM
beardedbruce 06 Mar 08 - 09:27 AM
Little Hawk 06 Mar 08 - 10:08 AM
Riginslinger 06 Mar 08 - 10:12 AM
Amos 06 Mar 08 - 10:15 AM
Amos 06 Mar 08 - 11:52 AM
mg 06 Mar 08 - 12:24 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Mar 08 - 12:46 PM
beardedbruce 06 Mar 08 - 01:37 PM
beardedbruce 06 Mar 08 - 01:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Mar 08 - 01:45 PM
beardedbruce 06 Mar 08 - 02:24 PM
Amos 06 Mar 08 - 02:42 PM
beardedbruce 06 Mar 08 - 03:06 PM
Amos 06 Mar 08 - 03:15 PM
beardedbruce 06 Mar 08 - 03:21 PM
Amos 06 Mar 08 - 04:02 PM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 11:06 AM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 11:10 AM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 11:12 AM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 11:13 AM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 11:15 AM
Little Hawk 07 Mar 08 - 12:35 PM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 12:39 PM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 12:54 PM
Little Hawk 07 Mar 08 - 01:23 PM
GUEST,mg 07 Mar 08 - 01:53 PM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 01:53 PM
Little Hawk 07 Mar 08 - 02:00 PM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 02:06 PM
beardedbruce 07 Mar 08 - 03:09 PM
Amos 07 Mar 08 - 03:44 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 07 Mar 08 - 04:19 PM
Charley Noble 07 Mar 08 - 08:44 PM
Riginslinger 08 Mar 08 - 01:12 PM
Amos 08 Mar 08 - 02:11 PM
Little Hawk 08 Mar 08 - 02:21 PM
GUEST,Guest 08 Mar 08 - 02:23 PM
Little Hawk 08 Mar 08 - 02:36 PM
Amos 08 Mar 08 - 03:35 PM
Riginslinger 08 Mar 08 - 04:47 PM
Charley Noble 08 Mar 08 - 07:27 PM
McGrath of Harlow 08 Mar 08 - 08:09 PM
Riginslinger 08 Mar 08 - 10:39 PM
Amos 09 Mar 08 - 01:23 AM
Amos 09 Mar 08 - 01:25 AM
Amos 09 Mar 08 - 05:38 PM
Amos 09 Mar 08 - 05:52 PM
Amos 09 Mar 08 - 09:17 PM
Amos 09 Mar 08 - 11:55 PM
Amos 10 Mar 08 - 10:22 AM
Amos 10 Mar 08 - 02:58 PM
Amos 10 Mar 08 - 04:26 PM
catspaw49 10 Mar 08 - 04:30 PM
Amos 10 Mar 08 - 04:34 PM
catspaw49 10 Mar 08 - 04:44 PM
Amos 11 Mar 08 - 08:52 PM
Amos 11 Mar 08 - 09:58 PM
Amos 12 Mar 08 - 01:28 AM
Riginslinger 12 Mar 08 - 08:21 AM
Amos 12 Mar 08 - 12:09 PM
Amos 12 Mar 08 - 04:40 PM
Riginslinger 12 Mar 08 - 09:47 PM
Amos 12 Mar 08 - 10:28 PM
Ron Davies 13 Mar 08 - 12:53 AM
Amos 13 Mar 08 - 10:54 AM
Amos 13 Mar 08 - 11:05 AM
Amos 13 Mar 08 - 10:32 PM
Amos 14 Mar 08 - 09:39 AM
Riginslinger 14 Mar 08 - 10:11 AM
Charley Noble 14 Mar 08 - 10:29 AM
Amos 14 Mar 08 - 11:38 AM
beardedbruce 14 Mar 08 - 12:39 PM
Amos 14 Mar 08 - 12:46 PM
GUEST,mg 14 Mar 08 - 01:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Mar 08 - 03:01 PM
Amos 15 Mar 08 - 08:34 AM
Riginslinger 15 Mar 08 - 08:44 AM
Amos 15 Mar 08 - 08:53 PM
Amos 15 Mar 08 - 09:34 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 12:14 AM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 12:38 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 12:49 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 01:07 PM
Riginslinger 16 Mar 08 - 01:08 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 01:11 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 02:39 PM
Riginslinger 16 Mar 08 - 02:43 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 05:20 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 05:22 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 05:31 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 09:10 PM
GUEST,guest 16 Mar 08 - 09:34 PM
Amos 16 Mar 08 - 09:41 PM
Riginslinger 16 Mar 08 - 11:38 PM
Amos 17 Mar 08 - 10:12 AM
Peace 17 Mar 08 - 10:18 AM
Amos 17 Mar 08 - 10:20 AM
Amos 17 Mar 08 - 10:26 AM
Amos 17 Mar 08 - 12:10 PM
Amos 17 Mar 08 - 02:00 PM
Amos 17 Mar 08 - 04:49 PM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Mar 08 - 06:38 PM
beardedbruce 18 Mar 08 - 08:01 AM
beardedbruce 18 Mar 08 - 08:03 AM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 09:18 AM
Bobert 18 Mar 08 - 09:55 AM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 09:58 AM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 10:53 AM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 11:24 AM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 12:54 PM
Bobert 18 Mar 08 - 01:00 PM
Charley Noble 18 Mar 08 - 01:05 PM
KB in Iowa 18 Mar 08 - 01:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Mar 08 - 02:05 PM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 02:07 PM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 03:15 PM
Jack the Sailor 18 Mar 08 - 03:42 PM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 04:18 PM
Amos 18 Mar 08 - 04:21 PM
GUEST,Guest 18 Mar 08 - 04:43 PM
Charley Noble 18 Mar 08 - 04:58 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Mar 08 - 06:07 PM
Charley Noble 18 Mar 08 - 08:38 PM
DannyC 18 Mar 08 - 09:27 PM
Amos 19 Mar 08 - 09:47 AM
Bobert 19 Mar 08 - 09:52 AM
Amos 19 Mar 08 - 10:28 AM
Charley Noble 19 Mar 08 - 10:58 AM
Bobert 19 Mar 08 - 05:44 PM
Riginslinger 20 Mar 08 - 08:20 AM
Charley Noble 20 Mar 08 - 09:28 AM
Donuel 20 Mar 08 - 09:45 AM
Jack the Sailor 20 Mar 08 - 10:24 AM
Amos 20 Mar 08 - 10:54 AM
Amos 20 Mar 08 - 11:01 AM
McGrath of Harlow 20 Mar 08 - 01:51 PM
Amos 20 Mar 08 - 04:57 PM
Donuel 20 Mar 08 - 05:06 PM
Bobert 20 Mar 08 - 05:21 PM
Amos 20 Mar 08 - 06:14 PM
Amos 20 Mar 08 - 07:36 PM
Amos 21 Mar 08 - 09:09 AM
Charley Noble 21 Mar 08 - 09:55 AM
Amos 21 Mar 08 - 09:59 AM
Amos 21 Mar 08 - 10:57 AM
Amos 21 Mar 08 - 11:23 AM
Amos 21 Mar 08 - 02:39 PM
Amos 21 Mar 08 - 03:10 PM
Amos 22 Mar 08 - 01:30 PM
Jack the Sailor 22 Mar 08 - 02:38 PM
Amos 22 Mar 08 - 02:41 PM
Amos 22 Mar 08 - 02:51 PM
Amos 22 Mar 08 - 03:01 PM
Amos 22 Mar 08 - 03:06 PM
Little Hawk 22 Mar 08 - 03:07 PM
Amos 23 Mar 08 - 12:53 AM
Amos 23 Mar 08 - 01:53 PM
Amos 23 Mar 08 - 04:55 PM
Amos 23 Mar 08 - 07:03 PM
Ron Davies 23 Mar 08 - 10:22 PM
Riginslinger 24 Mar 08 - 08:38 AM
beardedbruce 24 Mar 08 - 09:41 AM
CarolC 24 Mar 08 - 09:55 AM
Riginslinger 24 Mar 08 - 10:20 AM
Amos 24 Mar 08 - 10:44 AM
CarolC 24 Mar 08 - 11:19 AM
Riginslinger 24 Mar 08 - 11:42 AM
Amos 24 Mar 08 - 12:01 PM
Amos 24 Mar 08 - 12:15 PM
Amos 24 Mar 08 - 08:01 PM
Emma B 24 Mar 08 - 08:11 PM
Amos 24 Mar 08 - 08:14 PM
Amos 24 Mar 08 - 08:55 PM
toadfrog 24 Mar 08 - 09:49 PM
Riginslinger 24 Mar 08 - 10:08 PM
Azizi 24 Mar 08 - 10:09 PM
Ron Davies 24 Mar 08 - 10:49 PM
Amos 24 Mar 08 - 11:00 PM
Ron Davies 24 Mar 08 - 11:01 PM
beardedbruce 25 Mar 08 - 07:51 AM
Riginslinger 25 Mar 08 - 08:31 AM
Amos 25 Mar 08 - 10:20 AM
Amos 25 Mar 08 - 10:38 AM
Amos 25 Mar 08 - 11:33 AM
Amos 25 Mar 08 - 02:15 PM
Emma B 25 Mar 08 - 02:51 PM
Jack the Sailor 25 Mar 08 - 03:07 PM
Amos 25 Mar 08 - 03:14 PM
Jack the Sailor 25 Mar 08 - 03:15 PM
Amos 25 Mar 08 - 03:22 PM
Emma B 25 Mar 08 - 03:24 PM
Emma B 25 Mar 08 - 03:29 PM
Jack the Sailor 25 Mar 08 - 03:32 PM
Amos 25 Mar 08 - 10:15 PM
Amos 26 Mar 08 - 12:21 PM
Amos 26 Mar 08 - 03:32 PM
Amos 26 Mar 08 - 03:37 PM
Jack the Sailor 26 Mar 08 - 03:43 PM
Emma B 26 Mar 08 - 03:55 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Mar 08 - 04:08 PM
Jack the Sailor 26 Mar 08 - 04:15 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Mar 08 - 04:24 PM
Jack the Sailor 26 Mar 08 - 04:36 PM
Amos 26 Mar 08 - 08:39 PM
Amos 26 Mar 08 - 08:47 PM
Amos 26 Mar 08 - 10:57 PM
Amos 26 Mar 08 - 11:18 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 09:17 AM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 10:13 AM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 12:21 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 01:32 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 01:38 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 01:39 PM
Bobert 27 Mar 08 - 01:40 PM
Emma B 27 Mar 08 - 02:58 PM
Jack the Sailor 27 Mar 08 - 03:15 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 03:17 PM
Jack the Sailor 27 Mar 08 - 04:04 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 05:46 PM
Jack the Sailor 27 Mar 08 - 05:47 PM
Emma B 27 Mar 08 - 06:39 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 06:46 PM
Jeri 27 Mar 08 - 07:02 PM
Emma B 27 Mar 08 - 07:07 PM
CarolC 27 Mar 08 - 07:16 PM
CarolC 27 Mar 08 - 07:23 PM
Jeri 27 Mar 08 - 07:39 PM
Jeri 27 Mar 08 - 07:47 PM
Emma B 27 Mar 08 - 07:51 PM
CarolC 27 Mar 08 - 08:01 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 09:55 PM
Amos 27 Mar 08 - 10:03 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 11:10 AM
Riginslinger 28 Mar 08 - 11:12 AM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 11:33 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Mar 08 - 12:48 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 01:46 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 01:48 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 01:51 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 01:53 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 05:27 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 06:31 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 07:55 PM
Ebbie 28 Mar 08 - 09:06 PM
Amos 28 Mar 08 - 09:21 PM
Charley Noble 28 Mar 08 - 09:44 PM
Amos 29 Mar 08 - 09:21 AM
Amos 29 Mar 08 - 05:53 PM
Riginslinger 29 Mar 08 - 08:57 PM
Amos 29 Mar 08 - 10:04 PM
Amos 29 Mar 08 - 10:29 PM
Amos 29 Mar 08 - 10:59 PM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 12:21 AM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 12:29 PM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 12:31 PM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 12:34 PM
Riginslinger 30 Mar 08 - 01:46 PM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 04:18 PM
Riginslinger 30 Mar 08 - 08:35 PM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 10:44 PM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 10:48 PM
Amos 30 Mar 08 - 10:52 PM
Jack the Sailor 30 Mar 08 - 10:54 PM
Riginslinger 30 Mar 08 - 10:59 PM
Jack the Sailor 31 Mar 08 - 12:34 AM
Riginslinger 31 Mar 08 - 08:37 AM
Jack the Sailor 31 Mar 08 - 10:59 AM
Amos 31 Mar 08 - 11:09 AM
Amos 31 Mar 08 - 11:20 AM
Amos 31 Mar 08 - 04:09 PM
Riginslinger 31 Mar 08 - 04:53 PM
Amos 01 Apr 08 - 09:10 AM
Amos 01 Apr 08 - 02:03 PM
Amos 01 Apr 08 - 02:06 PM
Amos 01 Apr 08 - 02:07 PM
Amos 01 Apr 08 - 02:15 PM
Amos 01 Apr 08 - 06:52 PM
Amos 02 Apr 08 - 03:01 PM
Amos 02 Apr 08 - 03:04 PM
Amos 02 Apr 08 - 03:07 PM
Riginslinger 02 Apr 08 - 09:27 PM
GUEST,Jack The Sailor 02 Apr 08 - 10:52 PM
Ron Davies 02 Apr 08 - 11:42 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 02 Apr 08 - 11:53 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 03 Apr 08 - 12:06 AM
Amos 03 Apr 08 - 12:47 PM
Bobert 03 Apr 08 - 01:12 PM
Riginslinger 03 Apr 08 - 03:53 PM
Amos 03 Apr 08 - 07:13 PM
Jack the Sailor 03 Apr 08 - 07:59 PM
Ron Davies 03 Apr 08 - 10:28 PM
Amos 04 Apr 08 - 09:43 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Apr 08 - 11:24 AM
Riginslinger 04 Apr 08 - 09:51 PM
Peace 04 Apr 08 - 09:57 PM
Amos 04 Apr 08 - 11:54 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Apr 08 - 12:14 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Apr 08 - 12:21 AM
Riginslinger 05 Apr 08 - 09:21 AM
Jack the Sailor 05 Apr 08 - 09:37 AM
Riginslinger 05 Apr 08 - 09:46 AM
CarolC 05 Apr 08 - 10:10 AM
Riginslinger 05 Apr 08 - 10:14 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Apr 08 - 10:27 AM
CarolC 05 Apr 08 - 10:31 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Apr 08 - 10:48 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Apr 08 - 11:36 AM
Riginslinger 05 Apr 08 - 11:59 AM
CarolC 05 Apr 08 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Apr 08 - 12:34 PM
Riginslinger 05 Apr 08 - 12:34 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Apr 08 - 01:12 PM
Riginslinger 05 Apr 08 - 02:04 PM
Ron Davies 06 Apr 08 - 08:37 AM
CarolC 06 Apr 08 - 11:29 AM
katlaughing 06 Apr 08 - 12:21 PM
Ron Davies 06 Apr 08 - 01:08 PM
Riginslinger 06 Apr 08 - 01:22 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Apr 08 - 01:26 PM
Amos 06 Apr 08 - 04:20 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Apr 08 - 05:24 PM
An Pluiméir Ceolmhar 06 Apr 08 - 05:27 PM
Riginslinger 06 Apr 08 - 06:25 PM
McGrath of Harlow 06 Apr 08 - 06:43 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Apr 08 - 09:00 PM
Riginslinger 06 Apr 08 - 10:12 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Apr 08 - 10:22 PM
Riginslinger 06 Apr 08 - 11:15 PM
Amos 06 Apr 08 - 11:26 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Apr 08 - 11:50 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 07 Apr 08 - 12:32 AM
robomatic 07 Apr 08 - 07:58 AM
Riginslinger 07 Apr 08 - 10:28 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 07 Apr 08 - 11:22 AM
Riginslinger 07 Apr 08 - 12:10 PM
McGrath of Harlow 07 Apr 08 - 02:25 PM
Riginslinger 07 Apr 08 - 03:13 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 07 Apr 08 - 09:25 PM
Amos 08 Apr 08 - 01:15 PM
Amos 08 Apr 08 - 07:40 PM
Riginslinger 08 Apr 08 - 09:51 PM
Amos 08 Apr 08 - 10:00 PM
Riginslinger 08 Apr 08 - 11:33 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 08 Apr 08 - 11:41 PM
Amos 08 Apr 08 - 11:53 PM
Riginslinger 09 Apr 08 - 08:06 AM
Amos 09 Apr 08 - 08:51 AM
Riginslinger 09 Apr 08 - 10:22 AM
Amos 09 Apr 08 - 11:26 AM
Amos 09 Apr 08 - 11:31 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 09 Apr 08 - 11:54 AM
Riginslinger 09 Apr 08 - 12:03 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 09 Apr 08 - 12:25 PM
Riginslinger 09 Apr 08 - 12:56 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 09 Apr 08 - 01:05 PM
Amos 10 Apr 08 - 12:34 AM
Amos 10 Apr 08 - 01:52 PM
Riginslinger 10 Apr 08 - 02:51 PM
Amos 10 Apr 08 - 02:55 PM
Riginslinger 10 Apr 08 - 04:13 PM
Amos 10 Apr 08 - 05:20 PM
Riginslinger 10 Apr 08 - 06:35 PM
Amos 10 Apr 08 - 06:58 PM
Riginslinger 10 Apr 08 - 07:35 PM
Ron Davies 10 Apr 08 - 11:27 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 10 Apr 08 - 11:42 PM
Amos 11 Apr 08 - 11:45 AM
Amos 11 Apr 08 - 01:04 PM
Riginslinger 11 Apr 08 - 04:10 PM
McGrath of Harlow 11 Apr 08 - 04:16 PM
Ron Davies 11 Apr 08 - 08:54 PM
Riginslinger 11 Apr 08 - 09:40 PM
Ron Davies 11 Apr 08 - 10:11 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 11 Apr 08 - 11:13 PM
Riginslinger 12 Apr 08 - 12:02 AM
Amos 12 Apr 08 - 04:44 AM
Ron Davies 12 Apr 08 - 07:07 AM
Riginslinger 12 Apr 08 - 10:13 AM
Amos 12 Apr 08 - 12:18 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 12 Apr 08 - 12:38 PM
GUEST,heric 12 Apr 08 - 01:29 PM
GUEST,dianavan 12 Apr 08 - 01:34 PM
Riginslinger 12 Apr 08 - 02:04 PM
Amos 12 Apr 08 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,heric 12 Apr 08 - 02:23 PM
Amos 12 Apr 08 - 03:37 PM
McGrath of Harlow 12 Apr 08 - 04:03 PM
GUEST,heric 12 Apr 08 - 04:09 PM
mg 12 Apr 08 - 04:19 PM
McGrath of Harlow 12 Apr 08 - 04:23 PM
Amos 12 Apr 08 - 04:49 PM
GUEST,heric 12 Apr 08 - 05:10 PM
Amos 12 Apr 08 - 06:28 PM
GUEST,heric 12 Apr 08 - 06:43 PM
McGrath of Harlow 12 Apr 08 - 06:57 PM
Amos 12 Apr 08 - 08:00 PM
GUEST,dianavan 12 Apr 08 - 08:40 PM
Riginslinger 12 Apr 08 - 10:33 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Apr 08 - 12:01 PM
Ron Davies 13 Apr 08 - 07:09 PM
Riginslinger 13 Apr 08 - 07:32 PM
Ron Davies 13 Apr 08 - 08:09 PM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Apr 08 - 08:12 PM
Riginslinger 14 Apr 08 - 10:18 AM
Amos 14 Apr 08 - 10:35 AM
McGrath of Harlow 14 Apr 08 - 12:12 PM
dick greenhaus 14 Apr 08 - 12:16 PM
Riginslinger 14 Apr 08 - 12:49 PM
Amos 14 Apr 08 - 01:11 PM
Riginslinger 14 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM
Riginslinger 14 Apr 08 - 11:20 PM
Jack the Sailor 15 Apr 08 - 01:42 PM
Amos 15 Apr 08 - 01:46 PM
Amos 15 Apr 08 - 01:54 PM
Riginslinger 15 Apr 08 - 02:14 PM
Amos 15 Apr 08 - 05:38 PM
Riginslinger 15 Apr 08 - 07:25 PM
Amos 15 Apr 08 - 10:35 PM
Amos 16 Apr 08 - 10:58 AM
Amos 16 Apr 08 - 11:00 AM
Amos 16 Apr 08 - 11:05 AM
Amos 16 Apr 08 - 11:08 AM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 12:51 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 12:55 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 08 - 01:38 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 01:51 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 01:54 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 08 - 02:13 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 08 - 02:25 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 02:26 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 02:28 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Apr 08 - 02:36 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 02:43 PM
Amos 16 Apr 08 - 03:27 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 03:34 PM
Amos 16 Apr 08 - 04:27 PM
Bobert 16 Apr 08 - 08:14 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 08:22 PM
Bobert 16 Apr 08 - 08:35 PM
beardedbruce 16 Apr 08 - 08:39 PM
Bobert 16 Apr 08 - 09:24 PM
Ron Davies 16 Apr 08 - 09:49 PM
Ron Davies 16 Apr 08 - 11:45 PM
Ron Davies 16 Apr 08 - 11:48 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 17 Apr 08 - 01:32 AM
McGrath of Harlow 17 Apr 08 - 08:00 AM
Bobert 17 Apr 08 - 08:10 AM
Amos 17 Apr 08 - 10:49 AM
Amos 17 Apr 08 - 11:12 AM
Jack the Sailor 17 Apr 08 - 11:49 AM
Amos 17 Apr 08 - 12:31 PM
Bobert 17 Apr 08 - 12:34 PM
Amos 17 Apr 08 - 01:02 PM
Riginslinger 17 Apr 08 - 01:37 PM
Amos 17 Apr 08 - 01:44 PM
Riginslinger 17 Apr 08 - 02:00 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 17 Apr 08 - 06:58 PM
Amos 17 Apr 08 - 08:45 PM
Amos 17 Apr 08 - 08:47 PM
Charley Noble 17 Apr 08 - 09:00 PM
Riginslinger 17 Apr 08 - 11:17 PM
Azizi 18 Apr 08 - 09:41 AM
Amos 18 Apr 08 - 02:43 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Apr 08 - 03:48 PM
Bobert 18 Apr 08 - 04:51 PM
Riginslinger 18 Apr 08 - 06:55 PM
Amos 18 Apr 08 - 07:13 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Apr 08 - 07:28 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Apr 08 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Apr 08 - 08:35 PM
Amos 18 Apr 08 - 10:05 PM
Ron Davies 18 Apr 08 - 11:41 PM
Amos 20 Apr 08 - 03:08 AM
Riginslinger 20 Apr 08 - 10:17 AM
Amos 20 Apr 08 - 11:15 AM
Ron Davies 20 Apr 08 - 12:16 PM
Amos 20 Apr 08 - 02:30 PM
Riginslinger 20 Apr 08 - 02:32 PM
Amos 20 Apr 08 - 05:04 PM
Riginslinger 20 Apr 08 - 05:17 PM
Amos 20 Apr 08 - 07:25 PM
Ron Davies 20 Apr 08 - 10:42 PM
Amos 21 Apr 08 - 12:20 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 21 Apr 08 - 01:09 AM
Riginslinger 21 Apr 08 - 01:00 PM
Amos 21 Apr 08 - 08:05 PM
Amos 21 Apr 08 - 08:16 PM
Ron Davies 21 Apr 08 - 10:18 PM
Riginslinger 21 Apr 08 - 10:42 PM
Ron Davies 21 Apr 08 - 11:35 PM
Riginslinger 22 Apr 08 - 10:33 AM
Ebbie 22 Apr 08 - 11:57 AM
Amos 22 Apr 08 - 03:46 PM
Riginslinger 22 Apr 08 - 10:15 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Apr 08 - 01:08 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Apr 08 - 02:35 AM
Wolfgang 23 Apr 08 - 06:35 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Apr 08 - 08:41 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Apr 08 - 09:04 PM
Riginslinger 23 Apr 08 - 09:35 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Apr 08 - 10:29 PM
Riginslinger 24 Apr 08 - 08:22 AM
Amos 24 Apr 08 - 03:31 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 24 Apr 08 - 04:45 PM
Riginslinger 24 Apr 08 - 05:39 PM
Amos 24 Apr 08 - 11:24 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 24 Apr 08 - 11:48 PM
Amos 25 Apr 08 - 01:46 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Apr 08 - 01:55 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 25 Apr 08 - 02:02 PM
Riginslinger 25 Apr 08 - 02:09 PM
Amos 25 Apr 08 - 02:20 PM
Riginslinger 25 Apr 08 - 02:46 PM
Amos 25 Apr 08 - 04:00 PM
Riginslinger 25 Apr 08 - 04:08 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 25 Apr 08 - 05:08 PM
Amos 25 Apr 08 - 05:16 PM
Amos 25 Apr 08 - 05:21 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 25 Apr 08 - 05:24 PM
Riginslinger 25 Apr 08 - 05:35 PM
Alice 25 Apr 08 - 07:00 PM
Ron Davies 25 Apr 08 - 09:40 PM
Riginslinger 25 Apr 08 - 10:39 PM
Ron Davies 25 Apr 08 - 10:59 PM
Amos 26 Apr 08 - 01:22 AM
frogprince 26 Apr 08 - 11:16 AM
Amos 26 Apr 08 - 11:26 AM
Amos 26 Apr 08 - 12:17 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Apr 08 - 05:50 PM
Ebbie 26 Apr 08 - 08:37 PM
GUEST,Serenity 26 Apr 08 - 09:25 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 27 Apr 08 - 01:28 AM
GUEST 27 Apr 08 - 12:04 PM
Ron Davies 27 Apr 08 - 12:45 PM
Little Hawk 27 Apr 08 - 01:26 PM
Amos 29 Apr 08 - 01:20 PM
Amos 29 Apr 08 - 05:49 PM
Amos 29 Apr 08 - 05:51 PM
Amos 29 Apr 08 - 05:54 PM
Amos 29 Apr 08 - 05:58 PM
Amos 30 Apr 08 - 04:02 PM
Amos 30 Apr 08 - 04:05 PM
Amos 01 May 08 - 08:20 AM
Amos 01 May 08 - 09:51 AM
Amos 01 May 08 - 01:36 PM
beardedbruce 01 May 08 - 02:26 PM
beardedbruce 01 May 08 - 02:29 PM
Amos 01 May 08 - 03:48 PM
beardedbruce 01 May 08 - 04:00 PM
Riginslinger 01 May 08 - 06:37 PM
Charley Noble 01 May 08 - 07:29 PM
Little Hawk 01 May 08 - 07:41 PM
Amos 01 May 08 - 08:27 PM
beardedbruce 01 May 08 - 08:31 PM
Amos 01 May 08 - 08:37 PM
Ron Davies 01 May 08 - 10:15 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 01 May 08 - 11:57 PM
beardedbruce 02 May 08 - 12:53 PM
Little Hawk 02 May 08 - 01:13 PM
beardedbruce 02 May 08 - 01:19 PM
Amos 02 May 08 - 01:30 PM
beardedbruce 02 May 08 - 01:31 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 02 May 08 - 02:00 PM
beardedbruce 02 May 08 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 02 May 08 - 06:09 PM
beardedbruce 02 May 08 - 07:26 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 02 May 08 - 07:46 PM
Amos 03 May 08 - 12:45 PM
Amos 03 May 08 - 12:47 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 03 May 08 - 01:35 PM
Amos 03 May 08 - 05:04 PM
Amos 03 May 08 - 11:48 PM
Bobert 04 May 08 - 08:20 AM
Ron Davies 04 May 08 - 09:41 AM
Ron Davies 04 May 08 - 10:16 AM
GUEST,DannyC 04 May 08 - 10:59 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 May 08 - 11:28 AM
Bobert 04 May 08 - 11:33 AM
Ron Davies 04 May 08 - 12:06 PM
beardedbruce 05 May 08 - 11:23 AM
beardedbruce 05 May 08 - 02:04 PM
Amos 05 May 08 - 02:39 PM
Amos 05 May 08 - 02:46 PM
beardedbruce 05 May 08 - 02:51 PM
Amos 05 May 08 - 04:04 PM
beardedbruce 05 May 08 - 04:08 PM
Amos 05 May 08 - 04:42 PM
Bobert 05 May 08 - 05:00 PM
Amos 05 May 08 - 07:52 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 May 08 - 12:29 AM
Amos 06 May 08 - 01:55 PM
Amos 07 May 08 - 09:57 AM
Amos 07 May 08 - 11:29 AM
Amos 07 May 08 - 01:05 PM
GUEST,Dani 07 May 08 - 03:32 PM
Amos 07 May 08 - 03:34 PM
Amos 07 May 08 - 04:25 PM
Bobert 07 May 08 - 05:04 PM
Charley Noble 07 May 08 - 10:21 PM
Little Hawk 07 May 08 - 10:58 PM
Amos 07 May 08 - 11:25 PM
Amos 07 May 08 - 11:29 PM
Amos 08 May 08 - 10:43 AM
Amos 08 May 08 - 03:45 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 08 May 08 - 08:03 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 09 May 08 - 03:26 AM
beardedbruce 09 May 08 - 07:19 AM
beardedbruce 09 May 08 - 07:22 AM
beardedbruce 09 May 08 - 07:25 AM
beardedbruce 09 May 08 - 08:16 AM
Amos 09 May 08 - 08:26 AM
Amos 09 May 08 - 01:21 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 09 May 08 - 02:10 PM
Amos 09 May 08 - 02:35 PM
Amos 09 May 08 - 02:38 PM
Charley Noble 09 May 08 - 08:55 PM
Amos 10 May 08 - 04:14 AM
Amos 10 May 08 - 10:55 AM
Amos 10 May 08 - 12:58 PM
Little Hawk 10 May 08 - 04:47 PM
Amos 10 May 08 - 05:27 PM
Amos 11 May 08 - 07:09 PM
Amos 11 May 08 - 07:34 PM
Amos 11 May 08 - 11:19 PM
Ron Davies 11 May 08 - 11:32 PM
Amos 12 May 08 - 04:02 PM
Charley Noble 12 May 08 - 09:07 PM
Amos 12 May 08 - 10:24 PM
Amos 13 May 08 - 09:21 AM
Amos 13 May 08 - 11:13 AM
Amos 14 May 08 - 11:16 AM
Riginslinger 14 May 08 - 06:12 PM
John O'L 14 May 08 - 07:44 PM
Amos 14 May 08 - 08:23 PM
Bobert 14 May 08 - 09:04 PM
Riginslinger 14 May 08 - 10:13 PM
Ron Davies 14 May 08 - 10:21 PM
Amos 14 May 08 - 11:19 PM
Riginslinger 15 May 08 - 08:36 AM
Amos 15 May 08 - 09:20 AM
beardedbruce 15 May 08 - 10:23 AM
Amos 15 May 08 - 11:07 AM
Amos 15 May 08 - 01:40 PM
Amos 15 May 08 - 05:39 PM
Amos 16 May 08 - 01:13 PM
katlaughing 16 May 08 - 07:42 PM
Ron Davies 16 May 08 - 10:27 PM
katlaughing 16 May 08 - 11:25 PM
balladeer 17 May 08 - 03:22 PM
balladeer 17 May 08 - 03:43 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 04:55 PM
GUEST,Cruiser 17 May 08 - 05:01 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 05:05 PM
balladeer 17 May 08 - 05:27 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 06:07 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 06:24 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 06:26 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 07:44 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 08:27 PM
Amos 17 May 08 - 10:50 PM
Riginslinger 18 May 08 - 01:08 AM
beardedbruce 18 May 08 - 05:34 AM
Ron Davies 18 May 08 - 10:54 AM
Amos 18 May 08 - 12:36 PM
Riginslinger 18 May 08 - 12:44 PM
Amos 18 May 08 - 01:11 PM
Riginslinger 18 May 08 - 06:32 PM
Little Hawk 18 May 08 - 06:56 PM
Amos 18 May 08 - 07:39 PM
Little Hawk 18 May 08 - 07:55 PM
Bobert 18 May 08 - 08:19 PM
Riginslinger 18 May 08 - 11:44 PM
Amos 19 May 08 - 10:16 AM
Little Hawk 19 May 08 - 11:11 AM
beardedbruce 19 May 08 - 11:14 AM
Amos 19 May 08 - 12:35 PM
Bobert 19 May 08 - 12:55 PM
beardedbruce 19 May 08 - 01:02 PM
beardedbruce 19 May 08 - 01:12 PM
Riginslinger 19 May 08 - 01:49 PM
Amos 19 May 08 - 02:22 PM
Bobert 19 May 08 - 02:30 PM
Amos 19 May 08 - 04:29 PM
Riginslinger 19 May 08 - 04:41 PM
Amos 19 May 08 - 04:43 PM
Riginslinger 19 May 08 - 05:07 PM
Ron Davies 19 May 08 - 09:16 PM
Riginslinger 19 May 08 - 10:06 PM
DannyC 19 May 08 - 10:10 PM
Amos 20 May 08 - 09:34 PM
Riginslinger 20 May 08 - 09:36 PM
Amos 20 May 08 - 09:39 PM
Amos 20 May 08 - 09:42 PM
Amos 20 May 08 - 10:35 PM
Amos 21 May 08 - 09:45 AM
Amos 21 May 08 - 02:03 PM
Amos 21 May 08 - 04:24 PM
Amos 21 May 08 - 11:33 PM
Riginslinger 22 May 08 - 08:38 AM
Amos 22 May 08 - 09:28 AM
Riginslinger 22 May 08 - 10:27 AM
DannyC 22 May 08 - 10:39 AM
DannyC 22 May 08 - 10:41 AM
Amos 22 May 08 - 01:02 PM
Amos 22 May 08 - 04:43 PM
Amos 22 May 08 - 06:00 PM
McGrath of Harlow 22 May 08 - 07:25 PM
Amos 22 May 08 - 08:21 PM
Amos 22 May 08 - 08:41 PM
Charley Noble 22 May 08 - 09:04 PM
Ebbie 22 May 08 - 09:09 PM
Riginslinger 22 May 08 - 09:41 PM
Amos 23 May 08 - 11:34 AM
Riginslinger 23 May 08 - 01:02 PM
Amos 23 May 08 - 02:55 PM
Amos 25 May 08 - 08:06 PM
Riginslinger 25 May 08 - 09:29 PM
Ron Davies 25 May 08 - 09:36 PM
Amos 25 May 08 - 11:21 PM
Riginslinger 26 May 08 - 08:40 AM
Amos 26 May 08 - 11:50 AM
Ron Davies 26 May 08 - 11:57 AM
Amos 26 May 08 - 12:16 PM
Amos 26 May 08 - 12:36 PM
Ron Davies 26 May 08 - 12:41 PM
Amos 26 May 08 - 01:57 PM
Ron Davies 26 May 08 - 02:31 PM
Riginslinger 26 May 08 - 03:25 PM
Amos 26 May 08 - 03:58 PM
Ron Davies 26 May 08 - 04:27 PM
Riginslinger 26 May 08 - 08:17 PM
Amos 26 May 08 - 08:28 PM
Amos 26 May 08 - 08:32 PM
Little Hawk 26 May 08 - 09:39 PM
Riginslinger 26 May 08 - 10:02 PM
Little Hawk 26 May 08 - 10:26 PM
Ebbie 27 May 08 - 12:51 AM
Amos 27 May 08 - 11:28 AM
Little Hawk 27 May 08 - 12:18 PM
beardedbruce 27 May 08 - 12:54 PM
beardedbruce 27 May 08 - 12:57 PM
Amos 27 May 08 - 12:57 PM
Riginslinger 27 May 08 - 04:14 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 08 - 04:42 PM
Amos 27 May 08 - 04:44 PM
McGrath of Harlow 27 May 08 - 05:48 PM
Riginslinger 27 May 08 - 05:54 PM
Amos 27 May 08 - 06:08 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 08 - 06:10 PM
Riginslinger 27 May 08 - 06:35 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 08 - 06:41 PM
Riginslinger 27 May 08 - 07:22 PM
Amos 27 May 08 - 07:39 PM
Amos 27 May 08 - 08:32 PM
Donuel 27 May 08 - 08:56 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 08 - 09:05 PM
Charley Noble 27 May 08 - 09:07 PM
Ron Davies 27 May 08 - 09:46 PM
Little Hawk 27 May 08 - 10:30 PM
Amos 28 May 08 - 12:15 AM
McGrath of Harlow 28 May 08 - 05:53 PM
Riginslinger 28 May 08 - 09:14 PM
Amos 29 May 08 - 12:01 AM
GUEST 29 May 08 - 12:59 AM
Amos 29 May 08 - 01:58 AM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 08:36 AM
Amos 29 May 08 - 10:13 AM
Little Hawk 29 May 08 - 10:42 AM
Amos 29 May 08 - 11:37 AM
frogprince 29 May 08 - 11:51 AM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 12:00 PM
Amos 29 May 08 - 12:11 PM
Charley Noble 29 May 08 - 12:15 PM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 12:16 PM
Donuel 29 May 08 - 01:56 PM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 01:59 PM
Donuel 29 May 08 - 05:40 PM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 06:11 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 08 - 06:32 PM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 07:03 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 08 - 07:09 PM
Amos 29 May 08 - 07:10 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 08 - 07:18 PM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 07:33 PM
Riginslinger 29 May 08 - 10:46 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 08 - 11:04 PM
Ron Davies 29 May 08 - 11:06 PM
Little Hawk 29 May 08 - 11:20 PM
Amos 29 May 08 - 11:21 PM
Riginslinger 30 May 08 - 08:33 AM
Amos 30 May 08 - 09:37 AM
Riginslinger 30 May 08 - 10:17 AM
Amos 30 May 08 - 10:26 AM
Amos 30 May 08 - 10:33 AM
Riginslinger 30 May 08 - 11:27 AM
Amos 30 May 08 - 01:58 PM
Amos 30 May 08 - 03:52 PM
Riginslinger 30 May 08 - 04:03 PM
Amos 30 May 08 - 04:27 PM
Little Hawk 30 May 08 - 04:48 PM
Riginslinger 30 May 08 - 04:48 PM
Riginslinger 30 May 08 - 05:55 PM
Little Hawk 30 May 08 - 07:37 PM
Riginslinger 30 May 08 - 10:00 PM
Amos 30 May 08 - 10:04 PM
Ron Davies 31 May 08 - 01:00 AM
Riginslinger 31 May 08 - 09:05 AM
Bobert 31 May 08 - 10:03 AM
Ron Davies 31 May 08 - 10:15 AM
Amos 31 May 08 - 11:54 AM
Bobert 31 May 08 - 07:22 PM
Amos 31 May 08 - 08:33 PM
Amos 31 May 08 - 08:35 PM
Amos 31 May 08 - 08:41 PM
Bobert 31 May 08 - 09:27 PM
Amos 31 May 08 - 09:43 PM
Amos 02 Jun 08 - 10:51 PM
beardedbruce 03 Jun 08 - 07:12 AM
beardedbruce 03 Jun 08 - 07:14 AM
Amos 03 Jun 08 - 03:03 PM
Alice 03 Jun 08 - 03:34 PM
Alice 03 Jun 08 - 03:36 PM
GUEST,mg 03 Jun 08 - 03:57 PM
beardedbruce 03 Jun 08 - 04:07 PM
Bobert 03 Jun 08 - 06:19 PM
Riginslinger 03 Jun 08 - 09:10 PM
Amos 03 Jun 08 - 10:17 PM
GUEST,TIA 03 Jun 08 - 10:29 PM
Amos 03 Jun 08 - 10:35 PM
Riginslinger 03 Jun 08 - 11:20 PM
Amos 04 Jun 08 - 11:30 AM
Riginslinger 04 Jun 08 - 12:40 PM
Amos 04 Jun 08 - 01:57 PM
Riginslinger 04 Jun 08 - 02:02 PM
Amos 04 Jun 08 - 02:06 PM
Amos 04 Jun 08 - 08:06 PM
Amos 04 Jun 08 - 09:06 PM
Ron Davies 05 Jun 08 - 07:14 AM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Jun 08 - 07:22 AM
Riginslinger 05 Jun 08 - 08:02 AM
Amos 05 Jun 08 - 10:19 AM
Riginslinger 05 Jun 08 - 10:41 AM
Amos 05 Jun 08 - 11:16 AM
Riginslinger 05 Jun 08 - 12:12 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 08 - 12:17 PM
Amos 05 Jun 08 - 02:47 PM
Riginslinger 05 Jun 08 - 04:32 PM
Amos 05 Jun 08 - 04:50 PM
Riginslinger 05 Jun 08 - 07:05 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 08 - 07:53 PM
Riginslinger 05 Jun 08 - 10:02 PM
Little Hawk 05 Jun 08 - 10:32 PM
Amos 06 Jun 08 - 12:15 AM
Riginslinger 06 Jun 08 - 08:26 AM
Riginslinger 06 Jun 08 - 08:31 AM
Amos 06 Jun 08 - 10:20 AM
Amos 06 Jun 08 - 01:40 PM
Little Hawk 06 Jun 08 - 01:55 PM
Ebbie 06 Jun 08 - 10:32 PM
Ron Davies 06 Jun 08 - 10:43 PM
Riginslinger 07 Jun 08 - 09:10 AM
Ebbie 07 Jun 08 - 11:22 AM
GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River 07 Jun 08 - 11:27 AM
Ron Davies 07 Jun 08 - 11:43 AM
Riginslinger 07 Jun 08 - 01:34 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 08 Jun 08 - 10:42 AM
Amos 08 Jun 08 - 11:10 AM
Amos 08 Jun 08 - 12:01 PM
Ebbie 08 Jun 08 - 12:38 PM
Riginslinger 08 Jun 08 - 01:58 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jun 08 - 02:03 PM
Amos 08 Jun 08 - 06:52 PM
Riginslinger 09 Jun 08 - 10:05 AM
beardedbruce 09 Jun 08 - 12:42 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jun 08 - 01:40 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jun 08 - 01:47 PM
beardedbruce 09 Jun 08 - 01:48 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jun 08 - 02:54 PM
Amos 09 Jun 08 - 03:29 PM
beardedbruce 09 Jun 08 - 03:31 PM
Amos 09 Jun 08 - 03:37 PM
Amos 09 Jun 08 - 03:44 PM
GUEST,mg 09 Jun 08 - 03:47 PM
Charley Noble 09 Jun 08 - 04:43 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jun 08 - 05:35 PM
Amos 10 Jun 08 - 01:24 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 10 Jun 08 - 01:59 AM
Amos 10 Jun 08 - 11:14 AM
Ebbie 10 Jun 08 - 11:23 AM
Little Hawk 10 Jun 08 - 12:03 PM
Amos 10 Jun 08 - 01:41 PM
Capt. E 11 Jun 08 - 01:56 PM
Little Hawk 11 Jun 08 - 01:58 PM
beardedbruce 11 Jun 08 - 03:39 PM
DannyC 11 Jun 08 - 04:34 PM
Riginslinger 11 Jun 08 - 07:08 PM
Amos 11 Jun 08 - 07:55 PM
Riginslinger 11 Jun 08 - 08:01 PM
beardedbruce 12 Jun 08 - 07:08 AM
beardedbruce 12 Jun 08 - 07:11 AM
beardedbruce 12 Jun 08 - 07:21 AM
Amos 12 Jun 08 - 03:17 PM
Little Hawk 12 Jun 08 - 04:43 PM
Ron Davies 12 Jun 08 - 09:43 PM
Ron Davies 12 Jun 08 - 09:49 PM
Riginslinger 12 Jun 08 - 09:51 PM
Donuel 12 Jun 08 - 10:42 PM
Amos 12 Jun 08 - 11:33 PM
Amos 12 Jun 08 - 11:35 PM
Riginslinger 13 Jun 08 - 11:20 AM
Amos 14 Jun 08 - 12:01 AM
Amos 16 Jun 08 - 11:52 AM
Amos 16 Jun 08 - 04:30 PM
Ron Davies 16 Jun 08 - 09:49 PM
Riginslinger 17 Jun 08 - 10:00 AM
Amos 17 Jun 08 - 02:22 PM
Riginslinger 17 Jun 08 - 02:30 PM
Amos 17 Jun 08 - 02:46 PM
Donuel 17 Jun 08 - 03:27 PM
Ron Davies 17 Jun 08 - 10:15 PM
Amos 17 Jun 08 - 10:31 PM
Amos 17 Jun 08 - 11:05 PM
katlaughing 19 Jun 08 - 12:52 PM
Amos 19 Jun 08 - 01:44 PM
Amos 20 Jun 08 - 01:19 PM
beardedbruce 20 Jun 08 - 05:16 PM
beardedbruce 20 Jun 08 - 05:18 PM
beardedbruce 20 Jun 08 - 05:23 PM
beardedbruce 20 Jun 08 - 05:24 PM
Amos 20 Jun 08 - 06:05 PM
Amos 20 Jun 08 - 06:47 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 08 - 07:14 AM
Bobert 21 Jun 08 - 08:54 AM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 08 - 09:18 AM
Bobert 21 Jun 08 - 09:28 AM
beardedbruce 21 Jun 08 - 10:18 AM
dick greenhaus 21 Jun 08 - 12:14 PM
Amos 21 Jun 08 - 12:20 PM
Bobert 21 Jun 08 - 12:29 PM
Amos 22 Jun 08 - 02:15 AM
DannyC 24 Jun 08 - 11:43 AM
Amos 24 Jun 08 - 11:01 PM
Amos 24 Jun 08 - 11:23 PM
Amos 24 Jun 08 - 11:48 PM
DannyC 25 Jun 08 - 12:52 AM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 01:01 AM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 09:30 AM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 11:17 AM
GUEST 25 Jun 08 - 01:08 PM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 01:12 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 01:17 PM
DannyC 25 Jun 08 - 01:27 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 01:30 PM
DannyC 25 Jun 08 - 01:32 PM
GUEST 25 Jun 08 - 01:34 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 01:42 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 01:46 PM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 01:47 PM
Def Shepard 25 Jun 08 - 03:11 PM
beardedbruce 25 Jun 08 - 03:12 PM
beardedbruce 25 Jun 08 - 03:17 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 03:53 PM
Ebbie 25 Jun 08 - 06:24 PM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 06:41 PM
Bobert 25 Jun 08 - 06:47 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 06:52 PM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 08:22 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 08:33 PM
Bobert 25 Jun 08 - 08:33 PM
Little Hawk 25 Jun 08 - 08:38 PM
Amos 25 Jun 08 - 11:53 PM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 10:53 AM
beardedbruce 26 Jun 08 - 11:26 AM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 11:40 AM
Little Hawk 26 Jun 08 - 11:47 AM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 11:52 AM
Little Hawk 26 Jun 08 - 05:54 PM
Bobert 26 Jun 08 - 06:14 PM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 06:56 PM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 08:24 PM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 08:33 PM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 08:36 PM
Amos 26 Jun 08 - 09:34 PM
Amos 27 Jun 08 - 09:18 AM
Little Hawk 27 Jun 08 - 10:05 AM
beardedbruce 27 Jun 08 - 10:33 AM
beardedbruce 27 Jun 08 - 10:35 AM
beardedbruce 27 Jun 08 - 10:36 AM
frogprince 27 Jun 08 - 10:43 AM
Emma B 27 Jun 08 - 01:49 PM
Amos 27 Jun 08 - 01:59 PM
Amos 27 Jun 08 - 11:20 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jun 08 - 12:08 AM
Amos 28 Jun 08 - 12:21 AM
Little Hawk 28 Jun 08 - 12:53 PM
Amos 28 Jun 08 - 12:56 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jun 08 - 01:07 PM
GUEST 28 Jun 08 - 08:31 PM
Amos 28 Jun 08 - 09:57 PM
GUEST 28 Jun 08 - 11:18 PM
GUEST 28 Jun 08 - 11:23 PM
Amos 28 Jun 08 - 11:29 PM
Little Hawk 29 Jun 08 - 12:25 PM
GUEST 29 Jun 08 - 01:09 PM
Little Hawk 29 Jun 08 - 01:25 PM
Amos 29 Jun 08 - 01:32 PM
GUEST 29 Jun 08 - 01:37 PM
Little Hawk 29 Jun 08 - 02:18 PM
Amos 29 Jun 08 - 02:51 PM
Amos 30 Jun 08 - 11:44 AM
Little Hawk 30 Jun 08 - 12:16 PM
Amos 30 Jun 08 - 12:52 PM
beardedbruce 30 Jun 08 - 01:27 PM
beardedbruce 30 Jun 08 - 02:30 PM
Amos 30 Jun 08 - 02:37 PM
beardedbruce 30 Jun 08 - 02:42 PM
Bobert 30 Jun 08 - 02:53 PM
Amos 30 Jun 08 - 02:56 PM
Riginslinger 01 Jul 08 - 11:11 AM
Amos 01 Jul 08 - 11:21 AM
Riginslinger 01 Jul 08 - 11:30 AM
Amos 01 Jul 08 - 11:47 AM
Amos 01 Jul 08 - 11:55 AM
Riginslinger 01 Jul 08 - 12:47 PM
Little Hawk 01 Jul 08 - 01:30 PM
Bee 01 Jul 08 - 01:34 PM
Little Hawk 01 Jul 08 - 01:35 PM
Amos 01 Jul 08 - 01:37 PM
Riginslinger 01 Jul 08 - 01:48 PM
Little Hawk 01 Jul 08 - 01:48 PM
Donuel 01 Jul 08 - 02:49 PM
Little Hawk 01 Jul 08 - 03:22 PM
Amos 01 Jul 08 - 04:50 PM
Amos 01 Jul 08 - 10:59 PM
Riginslinger 02 Jul 08 - 08:44 AM
Wolfgang 02 Jul 08 - 08:52 AM
Amos 02 Jul 08 - 10:52 AM
Riginslinger 02 Jul 08 - 11:30 AM
Amos 02 Jul 08 - 11:55 AM
Little Hawk 02 Jul 08 - 12:08 PM
Bobert 02 Jul 08 - 12:17 PM
Amos 02 Jul 08 - 12:19 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jul 08 - 12:23 PM
Amos 02 Jul 08 - 12:28 PM
Bobert 02 Jul 08 - 01:21 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jul 08 - 01:27 PM
Amos 02 Jul 08 - 01:52 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jul 08 - 01:58 PM
Bobert 02 Jul 08 - 08:01 PM
Amos 04 Jul 08 - 07:00 PM
Amos 06 Jul 08 - 12:54 AM
Bobert 06 Jul 08 - 09:06 AM
Amos 07 Jul 08 - 07:33 PM
Amos 07 Jul 08 - 07:36 PM
Riginslinger 07 Jul 08 - 07:58 PM
Amos 08 Jul 08 - 11:01 AM
beardedbruce 08 Jul 08 - 12:22 PM
beardedbruce 08 Jul 08 - 02:01 PM
beardedbruce 08 Jul 08 - 02:04 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 08 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM
beardedbruce 08 Jul 08 - 03:29 PM
Amos 08 Jul 08 - 04:44 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jul 08 - 05:06 PM
GUEST,The Pariah 08 Jul 08 - 05:22 PM
Little Hawk 08 Jul 08 - 06:15 PM
dick greenhaus 08 Jul 08 - 11:48 PM
beardedbruce 09 Jul 08 - 08:32 AM
Bobert 09 Jul 08 - 08:42 AM
GUEST,Bored in July 09 Jul 08 - 08:43 AM
beardedbruce 09 Jul 08 - 08:44 AM
GUEST,Bored in July 09 Jul 08 - 09:21 AM
beardedbruce 09 Jul 08 - 05:34 PM
Amos 09 Jul 08 - 07:34 PM
Little Hawk 09 Jul 08 - 09:18 PM
Amos 09 Jul 08 - 10:45 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jul 08 - 12:11 AM
beardedbruce 10 Jul 08 - 04:41 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jul 08 - 04:48 PM
beardedbruce 10 Jul 08 - 04:52 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jul 08 - 04:58 PM
Emma B 10 Jul 08 - 05:00 PM
Little Hawk 10 Jul 08 - 05:05 PM
Amos 10 Jul 08 - 05:43 PM
GUEST 10 Jul 08 - 06:56 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Jul 08 - 06:57 PM
Riginslinger 10 Jul 08 - 07:22 PM
dick greenhaus 10 Jul 08 - 08:57 PM
GUEST 10 Jul 08 - 10:32 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Jul 08 - 10:32 PM
Ron Davies 10 Jul 08 - 10:43 PM
Little Hawk 11 Jul 08 - 12:03 AM
Amos 11 Jul 08 - 01:06 PM
dick greenhaus 11 Jul 08 - 01:11 PM
beardedbruce 11 Jul 08 - 01:20 PM
Little Hawk 11 Jul 08 - 01:33 PM
John O'L 12 Jul 08 - 06:06 AM
Little Hawk 12 Jul 08 - 12:54 PM
Amos 13 Jul 08 - 11:35 PM
Donuel 14 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM
beardedbruce 14 Jul 08 - 03:04 PM
Amos 14 Jul 08 - 05:34 PM
Riginslinger 14 Jul 08 - 10:44 PM
Amos 14 Jul 08 - 11:28 PM
Riginslinger 15 Jul 08 - 08:20 AM
beardedbruce 15 Jul 08 - 08:33 AM
beardedbruce 15 Jul 08 - 09:28 AM
Amos 15 Jul 08 - 10:31 AM
GUEST,GoGreens! 15 Jul 08 - 11:35 AM
Amos 15 Jul 08 - 01:15 PM
Riginslinger 15 Jul 08 - 01:23 PM
beardedbruce 15 Jul 08 - 01:31 PM
beardedbruce 16 Jul 08 - 12:50 PM
Amos 16 Jul 08 - 01:03 PM
beardedbruce 16 Jul 08 - 01:23 PM
Little Hawk 16 Jul 08 - 02:20 PM
beardedbruce 16 Jul 08 - 02:21 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 16 Jul 08 - 03:06 PM
dick greenhaus 16 Jul 08 - 04:41 PM
Amos 17 Jul 08 - 09:54 AM
Amos 17 Jul 08 - 10:05 AM
Little Hawk 17 Jul 08 - 01:29 PM
Amos 17 Jul 08 - 02:11 PM
Little Hawk 17 Jul 08 - 02:46 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 17 Jul 08 - 03:14 PM
Amos 17 Jul 08 - 03:15 PM
Little Hawk 17 Jul 08 - 03:22 PM
Amos 17 Jul 08 - 08:44 PM
Riginslinger 17 Jul 08 - 09:49 PM
Little Hawk 17 Jul 08 - 10:14 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Jul 08 - 01:39 AM
Little Hawk 18 Jul 08 - 01:57 AM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 08:34 AM
Amos 18 Jul 08 - 10:03 AM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 10:11 AM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 10:28 AM
Little Hawk 18 Jul 08 - 12:36 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 12:52 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 12:53 PM
Little Hawk 18 Jul 08 - 12:58 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 01:00 PM
Amos 18 Jul 08 - 01:56 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 02:05 PM
Little Hawk 18 Jul 08 - 02:14 PM
Amos 18 Jul 08 - 02:15 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 02:18 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Jul 08 - 02:19 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 02:20 PM
Little Hawk 18 Jul 08 - 02:22 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 02:25 PM
Little Hawk 18 Jul 08 - 02:32 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 02:36 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Jul 08 - 03:05 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 03:07 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Jul 08 - 03:17 PM
beardedbruce 18 Jul 08 - 03:21 PM
Bobert 18 Jul 08 - 03:36 PM
Amos 18 Jul 08 - 03:39 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Jul 08 - 03:40 PM
Little Hawk 18 Jul 08 - 07:45 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 18 Jul 08 - 07:47 PM
Amos 21 Jul 08 - 02:01 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jul 08 - 02:26 PM
Amos 21 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 21 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM
beardedbruce 21 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 21 Jul 08 - 03:18 PM
Little Hawk 21 Jul 08 - 04:10 PM
DougR 21 Jul 08 - 05:47 PM
Amos 21 Jul 08 - 06:30 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 21 Jul 08 - 07:28 PM
Stringsinger 21 Jul 08 - 07:43 PM
DougR 21 Jul 08 - 08:00 PM
Amos 21 Jul 08 - 08:04 PM
Riginslinger 21 Jul 08 - 09:42 PM
Amos 22 Jul 08 - 12:02 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 22 Jul 08 - 12:17 AM
Little Hawk 22 Jul 08 - 07:15 AM
Riginslinger 22 Jul 08 - 08:19 AM
Amos 22 Jul 08 - 10:14 AM
Riginslinger 22 Jul 08 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 22 Jul 08 - 01:17 PM
Amos 22 Jul 08 - 07:07 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 22 Jul 08 - 07:26 PM
Riginslinger 22 Jul 08 - 07:43 PM
Bobert 22 Jul 08 - 07:59 PM
beardedbruce 23 Jul 08 - 07:05 AM
beardedbruce 23 Jul 08 - 07:12 AM
beardedbruce 23 Jul 08 - 07:17 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Jul 08 - 07:18 AM
beardedbruce 23 Jul 08 - 07:27 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Jul 08 - 08:03 AM
GUEST 23 Jul 08 - 08:40 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Jul 08 - 08:49 AM
Donuel 23 Jul 08 - 09:05 AM
Riginslinger 23 Jul 08 - 10:10 AM
Amos 23 Jul 08 - 10:22 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 23 Jul 08 - 10:26 AM
Little Hawk 23 Jul 08 - 11:15 AM
Bobert 23 Jul 08 - 11:26 AM
Little Hawk 23 Jul 08 - 11:31 AM
Amos 23 Jul 08 - 01:26 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Jul 08 - 03:59 PM
Bobert 23 Jul 08 - 07:42 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 23 Jul 08 - 08:04 PM
Amos 24 Jul 08 - 04:51 PM
Little Hawk 24 Jul 08 - 06:17 PM
Amos 24 Jul 08 - 07:06 PM
Amos 24 Jul 08 - 07:41 PM
John O'L 24 Jul 08 - 08:45 PM
Riginslinger 24 Jul 08 - 09:30 PM
Little Hawk 24 Jul 08 - 09:35 PM
Amos 24 Jul 08 - 10:10 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 24 Jul 08 - 10:18 PM
Riginslinger 24 Jul 08 - 11:16 PM
Little Hawk 24 Jul 08 - 11:24 PM
Ebbie 25 Jul 08 - 12:18 AM
DougR 25 Jul 08 - 01:27 AM
Little Hawk 25 Jul 08 - 01:49 AM
Amos 25 Jul 08 - 09:16 AM
Amos 25 Jul 08 - 09:51 AM
Amos 25 Jul 08 - 10:18 AM
Little Hawk 25 Jul 08 - 02:04 PM
Amos 25 Jul 08 - 02:37 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 25 Jul 08 - 03:03 PM
Riginslinger 25 Jul 08 - 09:31 PM
Amos 26 Jul 08 - 04:13 AM
DougR 26 Jul 08 - 02:04 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 26 Jul 08 - 02:25 PM
Alice 26 Jul 08 - 02:34 PM
Bobert 26 Jul 08 - 02:55 PM
Little Hawk 26 Jul 08 - 02:59 PM
Amos 26 Jul 08 - 03:26 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Jul 08 - 03:40 PM
Alice 26 Jul 08 - 03:58 PM
Little Hawk 26 Jul 08 - 07:58 PM
Amos 26 Jul 08 - 08:02 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 26 Jul 08 - 08:42 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 26 Jul 08 - 08:53 PM
Riginslinger 27 Jul 08 - 10:17 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 27 Jul 08 - 01:07 PM
Amos 27 Jul 08 - 02:10 PM
Little Hawk 27 Jul 08 - 02:22 PM
Riginslinger 27 Jul 08 - 07:50 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 27 Jul 08 - 09:11 PM
Amos 27 Jul 08 - 10:00 PM
Riginslinger 27 Jul 08 - 10:36 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jul 08 - 12:22 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 08 - 01:49 AM
Little Hawk 28 Jul 08 - 02:31 AM
GUEST,DV 28 Jul 08 - 07:36 AM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 09:28 AM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 10:07 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Jul 08 - 11:02 AM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 11:12 AM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 11:24 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Jul 08 - 11:51 AM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 12:03 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Jul 08 - 01:15 PM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 01:37 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 08 - 01:43 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 08 - 01:47 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Jul 08 - 02:33 PM
GUEST 28 Jul 08 - 02:40 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jul 08 - 02:44 PM
beardedbruce 28 Jul 08 - 04:22 PM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 04:44 PM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 04:50 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Jul 08 - 09:21 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Jul 08 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 08 - 10:45 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 08 - 10:50 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Jul 08 - 10:53 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Jul 08 - 10:58 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jul 08 - 11:05 PM
Riginslinger 28 Jul 08 - 11:25 PM
Little Hawk 28 Jul 08 - 11:32 PM
Amos 28 Jul 08 - 11:33 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 29 Jul 08 - 12:07 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 29 Jul 08 - 09:46 AM
Riginslinger 29 Jul 08 - 10:35 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 29 Jul 08 - 10:37 AM
beardedbruce 29 Jul 08 - 11:23 AM
beardedbruce 29 Jul 08 - 11:25 AM
Amos 29 Jul 08 - 11:43 AM
Riginslinger 29 Jul 08 - 12:04 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 29 Jul 08 - 12:25 PM
Donuel 29 Jul 08 - 12:28 PM
Amos 29 Jul 08 - 12:39 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 29 Jul 08 - 01:42 PM
beardedbruce 29 Jul 08 - 01:44 PM
Little Hawk 29 Jul 08 - 03:49 PM
Amos 29 Jul 08 - 03:54 PM
Little Hawk 29 Jul 08 - 04:45 PM
Amos 29 Jul 08 - 05:20 PM
Riginslinger 29 Jul 08 - 06:49 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 29 Jul 08 - 06:59 PM
Amos 29 Jul 08 - 08:21 PM
Riginslinger 29 Jul 08 - 09:41 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 29 Jul 08 - 10:33 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 30 Jul 08 - 08:40 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 30 Jul 08 - 08:58 AM
Amos 30 Jul 08 - 09:18 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 30 Jul 08 - 09:20 AM
GUEST,DV 30 Jul 08 - 09:56 AM
GUEST,DV 30 Jul 08 - 10:02 AM
Riginslinger 30 Jul 08 - 10:21 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 30 Jul 08 - 10:25 AM
Amos 30 Jul 08 - 12:14 PM
beardedbruce 30 Jul 08 - 12:37 PM
beardedbruce 30 Jul 08 - 04:12 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 30 Jul 08 - 06:50 PM
Amos 30 Jul 08 - 08:02 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 30 Jul 08 - 10:34 PM
Amos 31 Jul 08 - 09:39 PM
Riginslinger 31 Jul 08 - 09:52 PM
Amos 31 Jul 08 - 11:39 PM
Little Hawk 01 Aug 08 - 12:28 AM
Riginslinger 01 Aug 08 - 08:14 AM
Amos 01 Aug 08 - 09:58 PM
Little Hawk 01 Aug 08 - 10:09 PM
Ebbie 02 Aug 08 - 03:34 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 02 Aug 08 - 03:43 PM
Little Hawk 02 Aug 08 - 03:48 PM
Amos 02 Aug 08 - 11:00 PM
Riginslinger 02 Aug 08 - 11:19 PM
Amos 03 Aug 08 - 12:28 AM
Riginslinger 03 Aug 08 - 08:45 AM
Bobert 03 Aug 08 - 09:37 AM
Little Hawk 03 Aug 08 - 12:19 PM
Bobert 03 Aug 08 - 12:49 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 03 Aug 08 - 01:49 PM
Little Hawk 03 Aug 08 - 01:50 PM
Amos 03 Aug 08 - 03:57 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 03 Aug 08 - 04:23 PM
Riginslinger 04 Aug 08 - 07:34 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 04 Aug 08 - 09:08 AM
Amos 04 Aug 08 - 09:48 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Aug 08 - 01:52 PM
Riginslinger 04 Aug 08 - 02:10 PM
Little Hawk 04 Aug 08 - 02:17 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Aug 08 - 02:21 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Aug 08 - 02:22 PM
Riginslinger 04 Aug 08 - 02:47 PM
Amos 04 Aug 08 - 03:02 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Aug 08 - 03:04 PM
Little Hawk 04 Aug 08 - 04:37 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 04 Aug 08 - 05:17 PM
Amos 04 Aug 08 - 05:20 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Aug 08 - 05:25 PM
Amos 04 Aug 08 - 05:33 PM
Amos 04 Aug 08 - 06:06 PM
Riginslinger 04 Aug 08 - 07:03 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Aug 08 - 07:24 PM
Amos 04 Aug 08 - 08:23 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 04 Aug 08 - 09:29 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Aug 08 - 09:34 PM
Little Hawk 04 Aug 08 - 10:36 PM
Amos 04 Aug 08 - 11:25 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 04 Aug 08 - 11:40 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Aug 08 - 02:01 AM
Amos 05 Aug 08 - 02:50 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Aug 08 - 03:28 AM
beardedbruce 05 Aug 08 - 10:05 AM
beardedbruce 05 Aug 08 - 10:09 AM
Riginslinger 05 Aug 08 - 10:10 AM
Amos 05 Aug 08 - 10:36 AM
Riginslinger 05 Aug 08 - 11:52 AM
Amos 05 Aug 08 - 11:56 AM
Amos 05 Aug 08 - 03:22 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Aug 08 - 03:57 PM
Amos 05 Aug 08 - 04:01 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 05 Aug 08 - 05:35 PM
Little Hawk 05 Aug 08 - 05:37 PM
Donuel 06 Aug 08 - 01:29 AM
Emma B 06 Aug 08 - 09:41 AM
Riginslinger 06 Aug 08 - 10:19 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Aug 08 - 11:30 AM
Ebbie 06 Aug 08 - 11:38 AM
Little Hawk 06 Aug 08 - 11:47 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Aug 08 - 11:47 AM
Riginslinger 06 Aug 08 - 11:50 AM
Little Hawk 06 Aug 08 - 11:53 AM
Riginslinger 06 Aug 08 - 12:34 PM
beardedbruce 06 Aug 08 - 12:35 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Aug 08 - 12:46 PM
Amos 06 Aug 08 - 12:54 PM
Little Hawk 06 Aug 08 - 02:36 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Aug 08 - 03:03 PM
Little Hawk 06 Aug 08 - 03:14 PM
Amos 06 Aug 08 - 04:49 PM
Little Hawk 06 Aug 08 - 04:56 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Aug 08 - 05:20 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 06 Aug 08 - 06:10 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 06 Aug 08 - 06:56 PM
Emma B 06 Aug 08 - 07:17 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 06 Aug 08 - 07:20 PM
Little Hawk 07 Aug 08 - 05:42 PM
Amos 07 Aug 08 - 05:50 PM
Little Hawk 07 Aug 08 - 06:05 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 07 Aug 08 - 06:30 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 07 Aug 08 - 07:32 PM
Amos 07 Aug 08 - 07:34 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 07 Aug 08 - 08:02 PM
beardedbruce 08 Aug 08 - 12:24 PM
Amos 08 Aug 08 - 03:56 PM
beardedbruce 08 Aug 08 - 04:03 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 08 Aug 08 - 04:03 PM
Amos 08 Aug 08 - 07:59 PM
Riginslinger 09 Aug 08 - 10:18 AM
Little Hawk 09 Aug 08 - 10:49 AM
Riginslinger 09 Aug 08 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 09 Aug 08 - 07:10 PM
Amos 09 Aug 08 - 07:22 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 10 Aug 08 - 06:37 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 11 Aug 08 - 12:57 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 11 Aug 08 - 01:24 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 11 Aug 08 - 02:03 AM
GUEST,Ron Davies 11 Aug 08 - 05:27 AM
Riginslinger 11 Aug 08 - 07:51 AM
GUEST,Ron Davies 11 Aug 08 - 08:16 AM
Alice 11 Aug 08 - 10:11 AM
Amos 11 Aug 08 - 11:00 AM
beardedbruce 11 Aug 08 - 11:19 AM
Amos 11 Aug 08 - 11:19 AM
beardedbruce 11 Aug 08 - 11:31 AM
Amos 11 Aug 08 - 11:48 AM
Barry Finn 11 Aug 08 - 12:07 PM
Riginslinger 11 Aug 08 - 12:34 PM
Amos 11 Aug 08 - 12:46 PM
beardedbruce 11 Aug 08 - 12:52 PM
beardedbruce 11 Aug 08 - 01:08 PM
Amos 11 Aug 08 - 01:20 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 11 Aug 08 - 01:24 PM
Little Hawk 11 Aug 08 - 02:14 PM
Riginslinger 11 Aug 08 - 02:32 PM
Little Hawk 11 Aug 08 - 02:40 PM
Riginslinger 11 Aug 08 - 04:05 PM
beardedbruce 11 Aug 08 - 04:08 PM
Riginslinger 11 Aug 08 - 05:41 PM
Little Hawk 11 Aug 08 - 05:59 PM
Riginslinger 11 Aug 08 - 06:53 PM
Amos 11 Aug 08 - 08:25 PM
Barry Finn 11 Aug 08 - 10:43 PM
Little Hawk 11 Aug 08 - 10:55 PM
Amos 11 Aug 08 - 10:57 PM
GUEST,Ron Davies 12 Aug 08 - 05:07 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 12 Aug 08 - 06:28 AM
Riginslinger 12 Aug 08 - 08:26 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 12 Aug 08 - 01:46 PM
Little Hawk 12 Aug 08 - 02:32 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 12 Aug 08 - 03:22 PM
Amos 12 Aug 08 - 03:47 PM
Amos 12 Aug 08 - 04:18 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 12 Aug 08 - 05:41 PM
Riginslinger 12 Aug 08 - 09:43 PM
Amos 12 Aug 08 - 09:50 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 12 Aug 08 - 11:23 PM
Amos 12 Aug 08 - 11:38 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 12 Aug 08 - 11:59 PM
Little Hawk 13 Aug 08 - 12:46 AM
beardedbruce 13 Aug 08 - 06:38 AM
beardedbruce 13 Aug 08 - 06:51 AM
beardedbruce 13 Aug 08 - 06:53 AM
Amos 13 Aug 08 - 10:10 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 13 Aug 08 - 03:39 PM
Little Hawk 13 Aug 08 - 03:46 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 13 Aug 08 - 06:04 PM
Riginslinger 13 Aug 08 - 06:58 PM
Little Hawk 13 Aug 08 - 07:29 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 13 Aug 08 - 08:30 PM
Amos 13 Aug 08 - 09:05 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 14 Aug 08 - 12:58 AM
Riginslinger 14 Aug 08 - 07:48 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 14 Aug 08 - 08:14 AM
Amos 14 Aug 08 - 11:51 AM
beardedbruce 14 Aug 08 - 03:05 PM
Riginslinger 14 Aug 08 - 06:09 PM
Amos 14 Aug 08 - 06:31 PM
Riginslinger 14 Aug 08 - 09:55 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 14 Aug 08 - 10:50 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 14 Aug 08 - 11:20 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 14 Aug 08 - 11:27 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 14 Aug 08 - 11:43 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 15 Aug 08 - 02:15 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 15 Aug 08 - 04:39 PM
Amos 15 Aug 08 - 04:50 PM
Riginslinger 15 Aug 08 - 10:35 PM
Little Hawk 16 Aug 08 - 01:26 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Aug 08 - 04:26 AM
Riginslinger 16 Aug 08 - 09:40 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 16 Aug 08 - 09:45 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 16 Aug 08 - 11:07 AM
Amos 16 Aug 08 - 01:09 PM
Little Hawk 16 Aug 08 - 01:16 PM
Amos 16 Aug 08 - 04:48 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 17 Aug 08 - 10:17 AM
Riginslinger 17 Aug 08 - 10:41 AM
Amos 17 Aug 08 - 10:55 AM
Ebbie 17 Aug 08 - 12:55 PM
Amos 17 Aug 08 - 03:08 PM
Amos 17 Aug 08 - 03:12 PM
Amos 17 Aug 08 - 03:13 PM
Amos 17 Aug 08 - 03:13 PM
Amos 17 Aug 08 - 04:10 PM
Riginslinger 17 Aug 08 - 04:51 PM
Amos 18 Aug 08 - 11:07 AM
Amos 18 Aug 08 - 11:09 AM
Amos 18 Aug 08 - 11:11 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 18 Aug 08 - 11:52 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Aug 08 - 12:46 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 19 Aug 08 - 12:52 AM
Donuel 19 Aug 08 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 19 Aug 08 - 01:29 PM
Amos 19 Aug 08 - 01:45 PM
Riginslinger 19 Aug 08 - 09:56 PM
Amos 19 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 20 Aug 08 - 02:12 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 20 Aug 08 - 02:35 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 20 Aug 08 - 02:39 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 20 Aug 08 - 02:46 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 20 Aug 08 - 02:54 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 20 Aug 08 - 04:23 AM
Riginslinger 20 Aug 08 - 07:42 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 20 Aug 08 - 07:57 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 20 Aug 08 - 08:23 AM
Riginslinger 20 Aug 08 - 10:00 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 20 Aug 08 - 10:06 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 21 Aug 08 - 12:00 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 21 Aug 08 - 12:15 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 21 Aug 08 - 12:20 AM
Amos 21 Aug 08 - 12:42 AM
Richard Bridge 21 Aug 08 - 02:29 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 21 Aug 08 - 02:56 AM
robomatic 21 Aug 08 - 02:59 AM
Riginslinger 21 Aug 08 - 09:04 AM
Amos 21 Aug 08 - 11:08 AM
Little Hawk 21 Aug 08 - 01:55 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 22 Aug 08 - 01:46 AM
Emma B 22 Aug 08 - 06:11 AM
Emma B 22 Aug 08 - 06:54 AM
Emma B 22 Aug 08 - 07:03 AM
Riginslinger 22 Aug 08 - 08:08 AM
Donuel 22 Aug 08 - 10:11 AM
Amos 22 Aug 08 - 10:15 AM
Stringsinger 22 Aug 08 - 06:56 PM
Riginslinger 22 Aug 08 - 09:48 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 23 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM
Riginslinger 23 Aug 08 - 11:21 PM
Peace 23 Aug 08 - 11:32 PM
Peace 23 Aug 08 - 11:57 PM
Amos 24 Aug 08 - 01:31 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 24 Aug 08 - 01:47 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 24 Aug 08 - 08:02 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 24 Aug 08 - 08:23 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 24 Aug 08 - 08:54 AM
Donuel 24 Aug 08 - 09:21 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 24 Aug 08 - 10:17 AM
Amos 24 Aug 08 - 12:27 PM
Amos 24 Aug 08 - 12:53 PM
Riginslinger 24 Aug 08 - 09:16 PM
Richard Bridge 24 Aug 08 - 09:19 PM
Riginslinger 24 Aug 08 - 11:10 PM
Donuel 25 Aug 08 - 01:41 PM
Amos 25 Aug 08 - 02:44 PM
Donuel 25 Aug 08 - 03:32 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 25 Aug 08 - 09:41 PM
Riginslinger 25 Aug 08 - 10:02 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 25 Aug 08 - 10:49 PM
GUEST,Jack The Sailor 25 Aug 08 - 11:11 PM
Little Hawk 25 Aug 08 - 11:17 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 25 Aug 08 - 11:51 PM
Stilly River Sage 25 Aug 08 - 11:51 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Aug 08 - 08:36 AM
Amos 26 Aug 08 - 09:27 AM
Amos 26 Aug 08 - 10:10 AM
GUEST,Jack The Sailor 26 Aug 08 - 11:44 AM
Donuel 26 Aug 08 - 12:08 PM
Donuel 26 Aug 08 - 12:53 PM
GUEST,saulgoldie 26 Aug 08 - 01:20 PM
Amos 26 Aug 08 - 01:51 PM
GUEST,Jack The Sailor 26 Aug 08 - 02:01 PM
Riginslinger 26 Aug 08 - 03:26 PM
Little Hawk 26 Aug 08 - 03:32 PM
Little Hawk 26 Aug 08 - 03:43 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 Aug 08 - 06:02 PM
Amos 26 Aug 08 - 06:46 PM
Donuel 26 Aug 08 - 07:45 PM
Riginslinger 26 Aug 08 - 07:56 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Aug 08 - 08:49 PM
Donuel 26 Aug 08 - 09:17 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Aug 08 - 09:52 PM
Donuel 26 Aug 08 - 11:13 PM
Amos 27 Aug 08 - 12:00 AM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 27 Aug 08 - 12:06 AM
Riginslinger 27 Aug 08 - 12:25 AM
Little Hawk 27 Aug 08 - 01:10 AM
beardedbruce 27 Aug 08 - 03:09 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 27 Aug 08 - 05:38 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Aug 08 - 03:08 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 28 Aug 08 - 03:16 PM
Donuel 28 Aug 08 - 03:20 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 28 Aug 08 - 05:10 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Aug 08 - 05:22 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 28 Aug 08 - 05:23 PM
Amos 28 Aug 08 - 06:29 PM
Amos 28 Aug 08 - 06:42 PM
Amos 29 Aug 08 - 12:34 AM
Amos 29 Aug 08 - 12:39 AM
Riginslinger 29 Aug 08 - 10:33 AM
Amos 29 Aug 08 - 02:06 PM
Amos 29 Aug 08 - 02:28 PM
Donuel 29 Aug 08 - 03:15 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 29 Aug 08 - 04:33 PM
Amos 30 Aug 08 - 07:02 PM
Riginslinger 31 Aug 08 - 10:26 AM
Amos 31 Aug 08 - 11:36 AM
Amos 31 Aug 08 - 09:53 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 01 Sep 08 - 01:30 PM
GUEST,Beardedbruce 01 Sep 08 - 01:36 PM
Amos 01 Sep 08 - 01:51 PM
GUEST 01 Sep 08 - 02:07 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 01 Sep 08 - 02:07 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 01 Sep 08 - 02:13 PM
Amos 01 Sep 08 - 03:39 PM
GUEST,Beardedbruce 01 Sep 08 - 04:13 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 01 Sep 08 - 04:21 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 01 Sep 08 - 04:23 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 01 Sep 08 - 04:27 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 01 Sep 08 - 04:42 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 01 Sep 08 - 04:52 PM
Amos 01 Sep 08 - 04:56 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 01 Sep 08 - 05:05 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 01 Sep 08 - 05:05 PM
Amos 01 Sep 08 - 06:12 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 01 Sep 08 - 08:34 PM
Amos 01 Sep 08 - 10:39 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 02:37 AM
GUEST,Jack The Sailor 02 Sep 08 - 03:59 AM
GUEST,Amos 02 Sep 08 - 09:05 AM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 10:20 AM
Wesley S 02 Sep 08 - 11:07 AM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 11:29 AM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 12:04 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 12:25 PM
Riginslinger 02 Sep 08 - 07:42 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 10:30 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 10:53 PM
Amos 02 Sep 08 - 11:13 PM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 12:31 PM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 01:06 PM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 02:55 PM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 03:46 PM
Riginslinger 03 Sep 08 - 03:57 PM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 03:58 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Sep 08 - 04:10 PM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 05:42 PM
Amos 03 Sep 08 - 07:59 PM
Riginslinger 03 Sep 08 - 09:57 PM
Amos 08 Sep 08 - 11:44 AM
Donuel 08 Sep 08 - 03:46 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 09 Sep 08 - 12:15 AM
Riginslinger 09 Sep 08 - 02:19 PM
Amos 09 Sep 08 - 07:54 PM
Amos 09 Sep 08 - 10:48 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 09 Sep 08 - 11:52 PM
Amos 10 Sep 08 - 12:30 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 10 Sep 08 - 12:45 AM
Amos 10 Sep 08 - 03:16 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 10 Sep 08 - 02:15 PM
Amos 10 Sep 08 - 02:24 PM
beardedbruce 10 Sep 08 - 02:32 PM
Riginslinger 10 Sep 08 - 10:30 PM
Little Hawk 11 Sep 08 - 12:30 AM
Amos 11 Sep 08 - 11:14 AM
Donuel 11 Sep 08 - 11:36 AM
Riginslinger 11 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM
Amos 11 Sep 08 - 03:16 PM
Amos 11 Sep 08 - 03:19 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 11 Sep 08 - 11:49 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 12 Sep 08 - 12:13 AM
Little Hawk 12 Sep 08 - 01:01 AM
Amos 12 Sep 08 - 01:26 AM
beardedbruce 12 Sep 08 - 06:47 AM
Donuel 12 Sep 08 - 08:43 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 12 Sep 08 - 10:35 AM
Amos 12 Sep 08 - 10:47 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 12 Sep 08 - 11:16 AM
Amos 12 Sep 08 - 11:24 AM
Amos 12 Sep 08 - 11:48 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 13 Sep 08 - 02:20 PM
Amos 14 Sep 08 - 07:47 AM
Riginslinger 14 Sep 08 - 09:48 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 14 Sep 08 - 10:26 AM
Amos 14 Sep 08 - 10:24 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 15 Sep 08 - 12:14 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 15 Sep 08 - 06:15 PM
Little Hawk 15 Sep 08 - 06:24 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 15 Sep 08 - 06:47 PM
Amos 16 Sep 08 - 09:21 AM
Riginslinger 16 Sep 08 - 10:14 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 17 Sep 08 - 12:20 AM
Amos 17 Sep 08 - 09:58 AM
beardedbruce 17 Sep 08 - 10:24 AM
Amos 17 Sep 08 - 10:36 AM
beardedbruce 17 Sep 08 - 01:48 PM
beardedbruce 17 Sep 08 - 01:50 PM
Amos 17 Sep 08 - 04:08 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 17 Sep 08 - 11:24 PM
Donuel 17 Sep 08 - 11:49 PM
Amos 17 Sep 08 - 11:52 PM
DougR 18 Sep 08 - 01:46 AM
beardedbruce 18 Sep 08 - 04:11 PM
Amos 18 Sep 08 - 04:15 PM
beardedbruce 18 Sep 08 - 04:20 PM
Amos 18 Sep 08 - 04:20 PM
beardedbruce 18 Sep 08 - 04:23 PM
Amos 18 Sep 08 - 04:55 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 18 Sep 08 - 10:56 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 18 Sep 08 - 11:24 PM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 01:21 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 19 Sep 08 - 10:51 AM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 11:20 AM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 11:40 AM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 12:47 PM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 01:44 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 01:52 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 02:34 PM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 03:39 PM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 03:50 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 03:54 PM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 03:56 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 04:05 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 04:36 PM
Little Hawk 19 Sep 08 - 05:12 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 05:17 PM
Little Hawk 19 Sep 08 - 05:22 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 05:26 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 05:28 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 05:29 PM
Little Hawk 19 Sep 08 - 05:35 PM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 05:37 PM
beardedbruce 19 Sep 08 - 05:38 PM
Amos 19 Sep 08 - 06:40 PM
Riginslinger 19 Sep 08 - 09:47 PM
Little Hawk 19 Sep 08 - 10:20 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 20 Sep 08 - 02:59 AM
Amos 20 Sep 08 - 06:37 PM
Amos 20 Sep 08 - 07:36 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 21 Sep 08 - 09:51 AM
GUEST,Sawzaw 21 Sep 08 - 11:23 AM
Amos 21 Sep 08 - 11:34 AM
Amos 21 Sep 08 - 11:48 AM
beardedbruce 22 Sep 08 - 09:06 AM
Amos 22 Sep 08 - 09:17 AM
Amos 22 Sep 08 - 03:16 PM
Amos 22 Sep 08 - 03:18 PM
Amos 22 Sep 08 - 03:20 PM
Alice 23 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM
Amos 23 Sep 08 - 01:45 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 23 Sep 08 - 09:46 PM
Ebbie 24 Sep 08 - 01:57 AM
Amos 24 Sep 08 - 12:45 PM
Amos 24 Sep 08 - 03:08 PM
Amos 24 Sep 08 - 03:17 PM
Riginslinger 25 Sep 08 - 09:09 AM
Amos 25 Sep 08 - 10:22 AM
beardedbruce 25 Sep 08 - 10:26 AM
Riginslinger 25 Sep 08 - 10:52 AM
Amos 25 Sep 08 - 11:19 AM
beardedbruce 25 Sep 08 - 11:25 AM
Amos 25 Sep 08 - 11:44 AM
beardedbruce 25 Sep 08 - 03:09 PM
Amos 25 Sep 08 - 03:39 PM
dick greenhaus 25 Sep 08 - 03:46 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 25 Sep 08 - 03:50 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 25 Sep 08 - 03:57 PM
Riginslinger 25 Sep 08 - 05:02 PM
Amos 25 Sep 08 - 06:03 PM
Amos 25 Sep 08 - 07:08 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 25 Sep 08 - 09:35 PM
Riginslinger 25 Sep 08 - 09:40 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 25 Sep 08 - 10:15 PM
Amos 25 Sep 08 - 11:10 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Sep 08 - 08:26 AM
Riginslinger 26 Sep 08 - 09:09 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 Sep 08 - 09:14 AM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 09:49 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 Sep 08 - 09:52 AM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 10:12 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 Sep 08 - 10:19 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 Sep 08 - 12:55 PM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 01:20 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 26 Sep 08 - 01:24 PM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 03:50 PM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 04:11 PM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 04:33 PM
Little Hawk 26 Sep 08 - 05:18 PM
GUEST,Sawzaw 26 Sep 08 - 06:59 PM
Riginslinger 26 Sep 08 - 07:26 PM
Amos 26 Sep 08 - 08:24 PM
Amos 27 Sep 08 - 09:24 PM
Amos 28 Sep 08 - 01:36 PM
Sawzaw 28 Sep 08 - 04:46 PM
GUEST,number 6 28 Sep 08 - 04:56 PM
Amos 28 Sep 08 - 06:36 PM
Riginslinger 28 Sep 08 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,number 6 28 Sep 08 - 11:31 PM
Amos 29 Sep 08 - 12:47 AM
GUEST,number 6 29 Sep 08 - 06:46 AM
Emma B 29 Sep 08 - 08:37 AM
GUEST,number 6 29 Sep 08 - 08:45 AM
Riginslinger 29 Sep 08 - 08:48 AM
Amos 29 Sep 08 - 10:36 AM
Alice 29 Sep 08 - 10:45 AM
Emma B 29 Sep 08 - 11:01 AM
Amos 29 Sep 08 - 11:13 AM
Amos 29 Sep 08 - 02:45 PM
beardedbruce 29 Sep 08 - 02:48 PM
Amos 29 Sep 08 - 04:33 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 29 Sep 08 - 04:41 PM
Riginslinger 29 Sep 08 - 06:21 PM
Amos 29 Sep 08 - 07:28 PM
Bobert 29 Sep 08 - 07:40 PM
Sawzaw 29 Sep 08 - 11:57 PM
Sawzaw 30 Sep 08 - 12:37 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 09:22 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 09:32 AM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 10:05 AM
Riginslinger 30 Sep 08 - 10:15 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 10:32 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 10:35 AM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 10:35 AM
Sawzaw 30 Sep 08 - 10:43 AM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 11:02 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 11:05 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 11:12 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 11:18 AM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 11:34 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 30 Sep 08 - 11:44 AM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 11:50 AM
Sawzaw 30 Sep 08 - 12:22 PM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 12:50 PM
Riginslinger 30 Sep 08 - 12:58 PM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 01:07 PM
Riginslinger 30 Sep 08 - 01:25 PM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 01:30 PM
Riginslinger 30 Sep 08 - 01:45 PM
Amos 30 Sep 08 - 04:04 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 11:18 AM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 11:59 AM
Riginslinger 01 Oct 08 - 12:08 PM
Amos 01 Oct 08 - 12:19 PM
Amos 01 Oct 08 - 01:23 PM
Amos 01 Oct 08 - 01:38 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 02:17 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 02:33 PM
Amos 01 Oct 08 - 02:35 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 02:49 PM
Donuel 01 Oct 08 - 04:42 PM
Donuel 01 Oct 08 - 04:42 PM
Donuel 01 Oct 08 - 04:55 PM
Riginslinger 01 Oct 08 - 07:02 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 10:03 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 10:29 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 11:23 PM
Sawzaw 01 Oct 08 - 11:33 PM
Ron Davies 02 Oct 08 - 12:19 AM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 08 - 12:33 AM
Amos 02 Oct 08 - 01:04 AM
beardedbruce 02 Oct 08 - 10:59 AM
Amos 02 Oct 08 - 11:47 AM
beardedbruce 02 Oct 08 - 11:54 AM
Amos 02 Oct 08 - 01:15 PM
toadfrog 02 Oct 08 - 08:40 PM
Sawzaw 02 Oct 08 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Oct 08 - 07:25 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Oct 08 - 09:14 AM
Sawzaw 03 Oct 08 - 09:59 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 03 Oct 08 - 12:10 PM
Sawzaw 03 Oct 08 - 10:14 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 03 Oct 08 - 10:22 PM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 12:16 AM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 01:01 AM
Riginslinger 04 Oct 08 - 08:16 AM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 09:25 AM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 09:34 AM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 09:56 AM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 10:16 AM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 10:44 AM
Sawzaw 04 Oct 08 - 10:50 AM
Ebbie 04 Oct 08 - 01:09 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Oct 08 - 09:44 PM
Riginslinger 04 Oct 08 - 10:16 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Oct 08 - 10:36 PM
GUEST,Jack the Sailor 04 Oct 08 - 11:00 PM
Sawzaw 05 Oct 08 - 12:58 AM
Sawzaw 05 Oct 08 - 01:07 AM
Ebbie 05 Oct 08 - 12:59 PM
Ebbie 05 Oct 08 - 01:03 PM
Alice 05 Oct 08 - 01:58 PM
Riginslinger 05 Oct 08 - 08:26 PM
Ebbie 05 Oct 08 - 08:29 PM
Little Hawk 05 Oct 08 - 10:14 PM
Sawzaw 06 Oct 08 - 01:48 AM
Little Hawk 06 Oct 08 - 03:11 AM
Riginslinger 06 Oct 08 - 07:09 AM
CarolC 06 Oct 08 - 05:11 PM
Riginslinger 06 Oct 08 - 05:31 PM
Little Hawk 06 Oct 08 - 06:07 PM
Riginslinger 06 Oct 08 - 07:10 PM
Ebbie 06 Oct 08 - 07:13 PM
Little Hawk 06 Oct 08 - 07:43 PM
Sawzaw 06 Oct 08 - 11:47 PM
CarolC 07 Oct 08 - 12:22 AM
CarolC 07 Oct 08 - 12:35 AM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 08 - 01:04 AM
Ebbie 07 Oct 08 - 01:07 AM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 08 - 01:10 AM
CarolC 07 Oct 08 - 01:12 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 07 Oct 08 - 08:13 AM
Sawzaw 07 Oct 08 - 11:42 AM
Little Hawk 07 Oct 08 - 12:38 PM
Riginslinger 07 Oct 08 - 01:30 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 07 Oct 08 - 02:58 PM
Riginslinger 07 Oct 08 - 05:55 PM
Amos 07 Oct 08 - 06:04 PM
Little Hawk 07 Oct 08 - 06:08 PM
Riginslinger 07 Oct 08 - 06:43 PM
Ebbie 07 Oct 08 - 06:49 PM
Riginslinger 07 Oct 08 - 07:27 PM
CarolC 07 Oct 08 - 07:44 PM
Amos 07 Oct 08 - 08:07 PM
Riginslinger 08 Oct 08 - 06:17 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 08 Oct 08 - 10:43 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 08 Oct 08 - 10:56 AM
Amos 08 Oct 08 - 11:29 AM
Sawzaw 08 Oct 08 - 12:18 PM
Sawzaw 08 Oct 08 - 01:46 PM
Sawzaw 08 Oct 08 - 01:54 PM
Amos 08 Oct 08 - 02:54 PM
Amos 08 Oct 08 - 02:58 PM
Little Hawk 08 Oct 08 - 03:10 PM
Amos 08 Oct 08 - 04:03 PM
Bobert 08 Oct 08 - 06:31 PM
Alice 08 Oct 08 - 06:48 PM
Alice 08 Oct 08 - 06:52 PM
Riginslinger 08 Oct 08 - 09:55 PM
Amos 08 Oct 08 - 10:15 PM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 08 - 01:13 AM
Little Hawk 09 Oct 08 - 01:21 AM
Riginslinger 09 Oct 08 - 09:23 AM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 08 - 10:29 AM
Riginslinger 09 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM
Little Hawk 09 Oct 08 - 01:37 PM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 08 - 01:51 PM
Amos 09 Oct 08 - 03:00 PM
curmudgeon 09 Oct 08 - 03:00 PM
Riginslinger 09 Oct 08 - 06:40 PM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 08 - 11:15 PM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 08 - 11:32 PM
Sawzaw 09 Oct 08 - 11:43 PM
CarolC 10 Oct 08 - 12:20 AM
Little Hawk 10 Oct 08 - 02:34 AM
GUEST,beardedbruce 10 Oct 08 - 07:20 AM
Riginslinger 10 Oct 08 - 08:01 AM
Amos 10 Oct 08 - 10:30 AM
Sawzaw 10 Oct 08 - 10:40 AM
beardedbruce 10 Oct 08 - 12:25 PM
CarolC 10 Oct 08 - 12:29 PM
CarolC 10 Oct 08 - 12:32 PM
Riginslinger 10 Oct 08 - 02:24 PM
Amos 10 Oct 08 - 02:39 PM
Ebbie 10 Oct 08 - 02:46 PM
Amos 10 Oct 08 - 03:41 PM
Little Hawk 10 Oct 08 - 03:46 PM
Donuel 10 Oct 08 - 03:55 PM
Amos 10 Oct 08 - 04:48 PM
Riginslinger 10 Oct 08 - 04:55 PM
Little Hawk 10 Oct 08 - 05:05 PM
Ebbie 10 Oct 08 - 05:17 PM
Riginslinger 10 Oct 08 - 05:32 PM
Little Hawk 10 Oct 08 - 07:17 PM
CarolC 10 Oct 08 - 09:00 PM
Amos 10 Oct 08 - 09:32 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 08 - 05:45 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 08 - 06:04 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 08 - 06:08 PM
Alice 11 Oct 08 - 06:10 PM
CarolC 11 Oct 08 - 06:10 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 08 - 06:37 PM
Amos 11 Oct 08 - 06:38 PM
Little Hawk 11 Oct 08 - 06:39 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 08 - 06:55 PM
Little Hawk 11 Oct 08 - 06:59 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 08 - 07:09 PM
Bobert 11 Oct 08 - 07:17 PM
Little Hawk 11 Oct 08 - 08:03 PM
Sawzaw 11 Oct 08 - 11:09 PM
Alice 11 Oct 08 - 11:19 PM
Amos 11 Oct 08 - 11:38 PM
Sawzaw 12 Oct 08 - 12:13 AM
Ebbie 12 Oct 08 - 12:15 AM
Sawzaw 12 Oct 08 - 12:23 AM
Ebbie 12 Oct 08 - 12:36 AM
Riginslinger 12 Oct 08 - 09:30 AM
Amos 12 Oct 08 - 10:11 AM
Riginslinger 12 Oct 08 - 11:25 AM
Little Hawk 12 Oct 08 - 12:40 PM
Amos 12 Oct 08 - 02:37 PM
Amos 12 Oct 08 - 02:43 PM
Ebbie 12 Oct 08 - 03:31 PM
Little Hawk 12 Oct 08 - 03:42 PM
Riginslinger 12 Oct 08 - 04:04 PM
Ebbie 12 Oct 08 - 04:07 PM
Bobert 12 Oct 08 - 04:35 PM
Little Hawk 12 Oct 08 - 05:46 PM
Ebbie 12 Oct 08 - 06:38 PM
Amos 12 Oct 08 - 07:08 PM
Riginslinger 12 Oct 08 - 09:12 PM
CarolC 13 Oct 08 - 02:17 AM
CarolC 13 Oct 08 - 04:27 AM
beardedbruce 13 Oct 08 - 06:41 AM
beardedbruce 13 Oct 08 - 07:25 AM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Oct 08 - 08:33 AM
Riginslinger 13 Oct 08 - 08:42 AM
beardedbruce 13 Oct 08 - 08:44 AM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 09:47 AM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 12:47 PM
GUEST,beardedbruce 13 Oct 08 - 01:31 PM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 01:39 PM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 02:03 PM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 02:13 PM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 05:00 PM
Riginslinger 13 Oct 08 - 06:24 PM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 07:55 PM
Riginslinger 13 Oct 08 - 09:42 PM
Ron Davies 13 Oct 08 - 09:52 PM
CarolC 13 Oct 08 - 09:58 PM
Riginslinger 13 Oct 08 - 09:59 PM
Amos 13 Oct 08 - 10:13 PM
Alice 13 Oct 08 - 10:23 PM
Sawzaw 13 Oct 08 - 10:50 PM
Ebbie 14 Oct 08 - 12:49 AM
CarolC 14 Oct 08 - 08:33 AM
CarolC 14 Oct 08 - 08:47 AM
beardedbruce 14 Oct 08 - 09:06 AM
Amos 14 Oct 08 - 09:38 AM
beardedbruce 14 Oct 08 - 09:48 AM
beardedbruce 14 Oct 08 - 09:53 AM
Amos 14 Oct 08 - 09:59 AM
Donuel 14 Oct 08 - 10:03 AM
Donuel 14 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM
Riginslinger 14 Oct 08 - 10:28 AM
Donuel 14 Oct 08 - 11:07 AM
Alice 14 Oct 08 - 11:44 AM
Ebbie 14 Oct 08 - 12:23 PM
Amos 14 Oct 08 - 12:40 PM
Riginslinger 14 Oct 08 - 12:57 PM
Ebbie 14 Oct 08 - 01:10 PM
Amos 14 Oct 08 - 07:16 PM
Sawzaw 15 Oct 08 - 01:25 AM
Sawzaw 15 Oct 08 - 01:44 AM
Amos 15 Oct 08 - 10:16 AM
Little Hawk 15 Oct 08 - 01:07 PM
Amos 17 Oct 08 - 10:50 AM
beardedbruce 17 Oct 08 - 01:17 PM
Amos 17 Oct 08 - 01:23 PM
CarolC 17 Oct 08 - 07:26 PM
Alice 18 Oct 08 - 03:15 PM
Amos 18 Oct 08 - 08:23 PM
Amos 18 Oct 08 - 08:27 PM
Amos 18 Oct 08 - 09:40 PM
Amos 18 Oct 08 - 10:06 PM
Amos 18 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM
Sawzaw 19 Oct 08 - 09:29 AM
Amos 19 Oct 08 - 09:52 AM
Riginslinger 20 Oct 08 - 08:08 AM
Amos 20 Oct 08 - 08:41 AM
CarolC 20 Oct 08 - 08:57 AM
Amos 20 Oct 08 - 09:04 AM
Riginslinger 20 Oct 08 - 10:02 AM
Amos 20 Oct 08 - 10:44 AM
Sawzaw 20 Oct 08 - 11:04 AM
Amos 20 Oct 08 - 01:29 PM
Riginslinger 20 Oct 08 - 01:45 PM
Amos 20 Oct 08 - 03:14 PM
Amos 20 Oct 08 - 03:14 PM
Amos 21 Oct 08 - 08:52 AM
Amos 21 Oct 08 - 09:55 AM
Riginslinger 21 Oct 08 - 09:59 AM
Amos 21 Oct 08 - 10:08 AM
Riginslinger 22 Oct 08 - 07:10 AM
Amos 22 Oct 08 - 09:07 AM
Riginslinger 22 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM
DougR 22 Oct 08 - 01:08 PM
Riginslinger 22 Oct 08 - 01:43 PM
Amos 22 Oct 08 - 05:07 PM
Sawzaw 23 Oct 08 - 10:46 AM
Amos 23 Oct 08 - 10:54 AM
Amos 23 Oct 08 - 04:37 PM
Little Hawk 23 Oct 08 - 05:17 PM
Amos 23 Oct 08 - 08:52 PM
Ron Davies 24 Oct 08 - 08:10 AM
Bobert 24 Oct 08 - 08:28 AM
Amos 24 Oct 08 - 08:57 AM
Amos 24 Oct 08 - 09:28 AM
Amos 24 Oct 08 - 11:19 AM
Amos 25 Oct 08 - 12:39 PM
Riginslinger 25 Oct 08 - 12:58 PM
Charley Noble 25 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM
McGrath of Harlow 25 Oct 08 - 01:54 PM
Amos 25 Oct 08 - 03:05 PM
Amos 25 Oct 08 - 03:31 PM
Sawzaw 25 Oct 08 - 06:55 PM
Amos 25 Oct 08 - 07:21 PM
Amos 25 Oct 08 - 07:42 PM
Ebbie 25 Oct 08 - 11:50 PM
Riginslinger 26 Oct 08 - 09:57 AM
Bobert 26 Oct 08 - 10:44 AM
Ebbie 26 Oct 08 - 10:50 AM
Amos 26 Oct 08 - 12:07 PM
Ebbie 26 Oct 08 - 01:20 PM
Riginslinger 26 Oct 08 - 01:20 PM
Riginslinger 26 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM
Amos 26 Oct 08 - 02:11 PM
McGrath of Harlow 26 Oct 08 - 02:34 PM
Amos 26 Oct 08 - 03:05 PM
Alice 26 Oct 08 - 03:06 PM
Alice 26 Oct 08 - 03:08 PM
Alice 26 Oct 08 - 03:10 PM
Ebbie 26 Oct 08 - 03:31 PM
Alice 26 Oct 08 - 06:48 PM
Ebbie 26 Oct 08 - 06:48 PM
Riginslinger 26 Oct 08 - 08:21 PM
Ron Davies 26 Oct 08 - 09:50 PM
Amos 27 Oct 08 - 01:31 PM
beardedbruce 27 Oct 08 - 03:24 PM
Wesley S 27 Oct 08 - 03:47 PM
Amos 27 Oct 08 - 04:20 PM
beardedbruce 27 Oct 08 - 04:36 PM
Riginslinger 27 Oct 08 - 04:46 PM
Amos 27 Oct 08 - 05:02 PM
Amos 27 Oct 08 - 05:21 PM
Riginslinger 28 Oct 08 - 07:35 AM
Bobert 28 Oct 08 - 07:43 AM
Riginslinger 28 Oct 08 - 08:31 AM
Amos 29 Oct 08 - 02:44 PM
Riginslinger 29 Oct 08 - 03:58 PM
Amos 29 Oct 08 - 04:02 PM
McGrath of Harlow 29 Oct 08 - 04:17 PM
Sawzaw 29 Oct 08 - 07:02 PM
Riginslinger 29 Oct 08 - 07:20 PM
Amos 30 Oct 08 - 10:53 AM
Amos 30 Oct 08 - 12:00 PM
Sawzaw 31 Oct 08 - 12:48 AM
Sawzaw 31 Oct 08 - 01:01 AM
CarolC 31 Oct 08 - 01:07 AM
Amos 31 Oct 08 - 01:44 AM
Riginslinger 31 Oct 08 - 02:03 PM
CarolC 31 Oct 08 - 10:01 PM
Riginslinger 31 Oct 08 - 11:04 PM
Sawzaw 01 Nov 08 - 07:38 PM
heric 01 Nov 08 - 08:22 PM
CarolC 01 Nov 08 - 08:36 PM
Bobert 01 Nov 08 - 08:47 PM
Ebbie 01 Nov 08 - 08:59 PM
GUEST,heric 01 Nov 08 - 09:12 PM
CarolC 01 Nov 08 - 09:30 PM
Riginslinger 01 Nov 08 - 10:35 PM
Little Hawk 02 Nov 08 - 12:13 AM
CarolC 02 Nov 08 - 04:37 AM
Riginslinger 02 Nov 08 - 06:26 AM
Amos 02 Nov 08 - 09:03 AM
Amos 02 Nov 08 - 09:04 AM
Riginslinger 02 Nov 08 - 10:53 AM
CarolC 02 Nov 08 - 11:50 AM
heric 02 Nov 08 - 02:19 PM
Sawzaw 02 Nov 08 - 03:14 PM
Ebbie 02 Nov 08 - 03:17 PM
Riginslinger 02 Nov 08 - 03:29 PM
Sawzaw 02 Nov 08 - 03:39 PM
Riginslinger 02 Nov 08 - 03:51 PM
Sawzaw 02 Nov 08 - 05:23 PM
Amos 02 Nov 08 - 06:16 PM
Sawzaw 02 Nov 08 - 06:58 PM
Riginslinger 02 Nov 08 - 07:01 PM
Sawzaw 02 Nov 08 - 07:10 PM
Amos 02 Nov 08 - 07:20 PM
Bobert 02 Nov 08 - 07:56 PM
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Subject: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 11:28 AM

Wins Over Chicago Fed's Canning, a Top Bush Fundraiser

By Jay Newton-Small

April 25 (Bloomberg) -- John Canning has impeccable Republican credentials: He was a Pioneer, one of President George W. Bush's top fundraisers. He's the head of a leveraged- buyout firm. He's the deputy board chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

Now he has given the maximum campaign contribution, $4,600, to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Canning says he's fed up with the Republican Party. ``It's become a party that's taken Neanderthal positions on things like stem-cell research and global warming,'' Canning, who was appointed to the Fed post in 2004, said in an interview. ``I no longer find myself on the same page.''

To Canning, 62, the party once represented individual rights. Then in 2005, the Republican-led Congress intervened in an effort to keep Terri Schiavo, a brain-damaged Florida woman, alive against her husband's wishes. The move was symbolic of Republican positions on social issues that Canning says he found increasingly frustrating.

Canning is one of a number of prominent Republicans who have turned against the party. At least two other Bush Pioneers are contributing to Obama this time, and Bush's chief 2004 campaign strategist, Matthew Dowd, assailed the president's second-term performance in an April 1 New York Times interview.

Canning said he likes Obama's approach to reducing greenhouse gases, his opposition to the Iraq war and the fact that he's spent so little time in Washington.

`Strongest Candidate'

``You know when they say someone's experienced, if that means they've spent a long time in Washington, I don't know if that's a pretty good deal,'' he said. ``He's the strongest candidate in the entire field from both parties.''

....


One Bush Pioneer who contributed to Obama, Framingham, Massachusetts-based Staples Inc. founder Thomas Stemberg, also gave to Romney, a former governor of the state. He didn't return phone calls seeking comment. Another, Chicago publicist Jayne Carr Thompson, declined to discuss her contribution to Obama except to say, ``He is a great representative of Illinois.''

To qualify as a Bush Pioneer, fundraisers had to bring in at least $100,000 in donations for the 2004 election. ...Obama also is attracting support from Republicans who aren't prominent in business. It's hard to go to one of his events and not meet at least one Republican, either curious about the senator or already converted.

Volunteer

Until two weeks ago, Kristen Martin was a lifelong registered Republican. On April 15, she wore a blue ``Obama Volunteer'' T-shirt while working a $25-a-person fund-raising crowd in Tampa, Florida.

``One of the reasons I support him is his stance on the war in Iraq,'' said Martin, 31, a registered nurse. ``It's just kills me the way we're viewed overseas.''

David Warden, 50, spent 30 years in the Navy, retiring with the rank of master chief. At an Obama low-dollar fundraiser in Milwaukee on April 15, he blushed and said he was a lifelong Republican.

``I like his perspective, his fresh ideas,'' said Warden, who gave $25 and said he's not considering any other candidates. ``This is the first Democrat I've ever supported, let alone gave money to.''


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 10:08 AM

Obama, Gospel and Verse
               
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: April 26, 2007


Yesterday evening I was interviewing Barack Obama and we were talking about effective foreign aid programs in Africa. His voice was measured and fatigued, and he was taking those little pauses candidates take when they're afraid of saying something that might hurt them later on.

Out of the blue I asked, "Have you ever read Reinhold Niebuhr?"

Obama's tone changed. "I love him. He's one of my favorite philosophers."

So I asked, What do you take away from him?

"I take away," Obama answered in a rush of words, "the compelling idea that there's serious evil in the world, and hardship and pain. And we should be humble and modest in our belief we can eliminate those things. But we shouldn't use that as an excuse for cynicism and inaction. I take away ... the sense we have to make these efforts knowing they are hard, and not swinging from naïve idealism to bitter realism."

My first impression was that for a guy who's spent the last few months fund-raising, and who was walking off the Senate floor as he spoke, that's a pretty good off-the-cuff summary of Niebuhr's "The Irony of American History." My second impression is that his campaign is an attempt to thread the Niebuhrian needle, and it's really interesting to watch.

On the one hand, Obama hates, as Niebuhr certainly would have, the grand Bushian rhetoric about ridding the world of evil and tyranny and transforming the Middle East. But he also dislikes liberal muddle-headedness on power politics. In "The Audacity of Hope," he says liberal objectives like withdrawing from Iraq, stopping AIDS and working more closely with our allies may be laudable, "but they hardly constitute a coherent national security policy."

In Chicago this week, Obama argued against the current tides of Democratic opinion. There's been a sharp rise in isolationism among Democrats, according to a recent Pew survey, so Obama argued for global engagement. Fewer Democrats believe in peace through military strength, so Obama argued for increasing the size of the military.

In other words, when Obama is confronted by what he sees as arrogant unilateral action, he argues for humility. When he is confronted by what he sees as dovish passivity, he argues for the hardheaded promotion of democracy in the spirit of John F. Kennedy.



I dare anyone to ask this question of Bush, Cheny or Rumsfield and compare the quality of the answers. Double-dog dare.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Peace
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 10:16 AM

No contest and no thanks. It would take too long to explain the concept of philosophy to people like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, let alone teach them how to read something other than a balance ledger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 08:07 PM

I think he is the best candidate in quite some time. Intelligent, practical. ...I think he will be a great president domestically but might get us in deep doo doo internationally, not that we aren't already...I think that his Muslim heritage is quite an advantage internationally...or should be..fanatics will not like the fact he has changed his father's religion. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 08:15 PM

In short Amos the man has said sweet FA - Go back and read over what you have so assiduously cut 'n' pasted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 08:33 PM

Teribus:

I suggest you misunderstand the purpoe of this thread in your rush to judgement.

As for sweet-fuck-all, I see nothing wrng with speaking from principles, if they are authentic.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 09:03 PM

Gee, I wonder why Teribus doesn't like Obama. Probably has something to do with Obama's skepticism on the War on Terror, which of course in Teribus' fantasy is just about won. All we have to do is stay the course--for a year--or maybe 30.

Of course I'm sure he'll also caution us that the existence of Islam is a danger we're going to have to eliminate--because Islamic radicals exist.

By the way, read yesterday in the WSJ that "the long war" is now out as acceptable language for describing the whatever that's going on in Iraq.

Writer was speculating on a "name that war" contest. Except it's also not to be called a war.



Obama on our current regime: "This president may occupy the White House, but for the past 6 years the position of leader of the free world has been vacant."

Perfect. Couldn't have put it better myself.

This man has command of the language and can think on his feet--a pleasant change from the current situation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 09:10 PM

I would love to see an Obama/Edwards ticket.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 09:20 PM

So would I--and I think--and hope-- it might well play in the South--which is important. I used to think the ticket would be better reversed--but the more I hear Obama the more impressed I am. Obama/ Edwards is the way to go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Peace
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 09:26 PM

You do be got that right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 07 - 11:54 PM

Amos, you do some writing of your own don't you?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 12:05 AM

Yes, i do. But I don't clutter up these "Popular Views..." threads with my own writing.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 08:39 AM

Obama's religious affiliations bother me, a lot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:34 AM

Rig, what do you know about them?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:52 AM

Presidential candidates don't get off the ground without religious affiliations in this country. Do you find Obama any different than most of the others?

He seemed to get very good reviews after the debate in S. Carolina...even from some picky talking heads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:00 PM

"I see nothing wrong with speaking from principles, if they are authentic."

It's most refreshing to contemplate the possibility of a presidential candidate who actually has principles to speak from. Especially if those principles encompass concepts that include future generations and peaceful solutions to foreign relations difficulties.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Peace
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:08 PM

"Obama's religious affiliations bother me, a lot."

Really? Sounds like you don't know shit about his religious affiliations. What is there about the Trinity United Church of Christ that bothers you? Or is FOX your source for news?



From the NYT:

'All of the claims about Senator Obama's faith and education raised in the Insight Magazine story and repeated on Fox News are false. Senator Obama was raised in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother. Obama's stepfather worked for a U.S. oil company, and sent his stepson to two years of Catholic school, as well as two years of public school. As Obama described it, "Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks." [The Audacity of Hope, p. 274]

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Furthermore, the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa.

These malicious, irresponsible charges are precisely the kind of politics the American people have grown tired of, and that Senator Obama is trying to change by focusing on bringing people together to solve our common problems.'

And YOU, Riginslinger, perpetuate the crap with posts like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:17 PM

Good heavens...how can calling someone a Muslim be malicious? At least it shouldn't be in civilized society. I think his ties are an advantage in this day and age. I realize people will use this against him, but it really should be used for him and for multiculturalism. I believe by their traditions, if the father is Muslim, the children are considered to be as well. I do not say he is one, he is whatever he proclaims himself to be. But if he were one, it would be great. It is great that he has this as a major part of his heritage...mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:23 PM

Out of the blue I asked, "Have you ever read Reinhold Niebuhr?"

Bush's tone changed. "Dhhh..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Peace
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:42 PM

"Good heavens...how can calling someone a Muslim be malicious?"

You might want to think about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 02:55 PM

How could calling someone a liberal be malicious?

impune communism and add the words "card carrying" liberal
add the word godless
use liberal and traitor in the same sentence.
Repeat for a year...

and its done.

in the Obama's goose is cooked thread the mud slinging tactics were ennumerated.

Although a lie, the whispering campaign about Obama's muslim brainwashing ecucation will be on the lips of the the Bush faithful types forever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 04:13 PM

Normally, it could not be, by basic definition. However, Ann Coulter has provided a new record of mastery in twisting, distorting and filling with hate language that was once a common grounds for communication. So when she says somoene is a liberal, she doesn't mean any definition in the dictionary. She means something like a treacherous double-crossing quisling communist homosexual blackguard wussy wimpy good-for-nothing-slimeball. Of course it has taken her years to gradually establish this definition in even a small pool of her fellow psychos, but there are a number who are willing to have their brains twisted in this fashion who like chasing after her cross-eyed sense of "Wonderland whatever semantics".


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mg
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 09:15 PM

If there were no safety issues for him and his family involved, and there are, I would say he should grab on to this and run with it...it is important to have as many people represented in government, and he embodies so many cultures, both in US and internationally....and Muslims need a voice..not that he has to be that voice, but a presence...not that he is one unless he says so but some of his family is. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mg
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 09:22 PM

Back to him and Edwards...I like them both..I think Obama seems more presidential but I must say Edwards has some very good ideas and would be a good vp, especially considering his wife's situation. He had an idea to help men get back with their families, as a presence, as a financial resource, not necessarily remarried or married...hire them, some goes to child support automatically as it should..and Obama had ideas on getting people exiting jail employed before they left, which we need. They also need housing, perhaps, probably, very secure housing, almost like jail but free to leave during the day. Lack of housing keeps many man (I presume women too) in jail and private parties, including myself, do not want to rent to them. Should be almost highest priority for public housing, again, nothing fancy, cement, cleanable, indestructable..spartan enough so you work towards getting something nicer...although I personally could be quite happy in a safe and quiet spartan cell....

Perhaps Richardson for secretary of state..I don't think we will be needing a secretary of defense. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 09:51 PM

No secretary of defense?--tell us more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:25 PM

Secretary of Peace?

Or would that make us all too wussy, as some folks insist?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Peace
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:31 PM

Heaven forfend!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:54 PM

I think that the Department of Defense should go back to its original name: War Department. It would be far more honest, and the State Department could actually go back to diplomacy and working as a Peace Department.

But of course, we all know that the State Department is full of Commie sissies like Colin Powell -- Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon proved that.

I also have the strange notion that if the US is going to commit troops to combat, to a "war", it should be declared by Congress, as per the Constitution, and not given to the President as some sort of "authority to use force." If the President thinks a war is necessary, let him ask Congress for it -- and for the powers that would be necessary, including a draft and rationing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 11:45 PM

Absolutely, Rap. If the country believes a war is worth fighting, it's worth sacrificing for--and that's not, as in Mr. Bush's interpretation, going shopping.

It means a draft.

Otherwise, it's too easy for the "decider" to have somebody else pay the price.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 08:48 AM

"What is there about the Trinity United Church of Christ that bothers you?"

            A whole lot--you name it. It's about time we had leadership in this country that was capable of thinking for itself.

            But what I was talking about was the speech Obama gave in the Senate, when he encouraged Democrats to court the same wigged-out-religious-wakkos who are supporting George Bush now.

            It's time to start ignoring these people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 12:39 PM

Sorry, no, Riginslinger. It's time for you to show some of the tolerance for religion that you demand for skepticism.

Also time for you to come down from the ivory tower and recognize reality. The South is heavily Christian. The only Democrats who have been elected President recently have been Southern men with a claim to religious belief. It does not follow that a candidate will attempt to ram that belief down your throat--did Kerry?----it appears that Obama, for instance, is fully aware of the separation of church and state.   And it is reasonable to hold him to it.

But it is not reasonable to reject a good man because of his own personal religion.

And I do not claim to be in the least religious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Peace
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 12:47 PM

The same stuff was said about John Kennedy. Folks thought that the Vatican would be running Washington. Didn't happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 09:23 AM

"Sorry, no, Riginslinger. It's time for you to show some of the tolerance for religion that you demand for skepticism."


                I guess when one sees a force in the universe that seems to be dedicated to destroying the planet and leading mankind to complete annihialtion, it's hard to be tolerant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 01:22 PM

Rig--



As you may have heard before, it's not religion which is dedicated to destroying the planet--except in your overheated imagination.

Abuse of religion exists.   This is a revelation? So does abuse of other ideologies.

If you reject Obama because of his religious beliefs, please let us know who meets your stringent standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 02:26 PM

Yes, I've heard it before, though I'm not at all sure I believe it. Of course, if that is the case, if we could just stamp out the scourge of religion there would be no religion to abuse.

               I'm not saying I reject Obama because of his religious views, I merely said they bothered me. This could have a lot to do with the fact that everytime the popular media presents someone to the public to represent the black community, it's always Reverend this or Reverend that. These people's views do not seem consistent with other black Americans I have known and worked with.

                In addition to that, I'm afraid if he was successful in getting the nomination, the same thing would happen to him in the general election that happened to Harold Ford in Tennessee.

                Finally, looking at the prospect of having another Republican in the White House, I would rather see Hillary Clinton, John Edwards of Dennis Kucinich take the primary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 08:27 PM

Rig--

Iraq will determine who wins in 2008. If the situation hasn't drastically improved, none of the Republicans now declared candidates has a chance--regardless of who the Democrat is.

I'm not quite as cynical as you are--though I was til recently. Ford had the problem that his opponents could couch their opposition as a stand against corruption--problems in his extended family.

They can't get Obama for that--and anybody with more than one brain cell will realize Obama is not a radical Moslem.

I think the country is ready to put racism behind it---finally.

Obviously, we'll see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 08:28 PM

I'm assuming the Democratic ticket will be Edwards/Obama and my rationale includes Edwards broad appeal in the south and his willingness to take firm positions on issues. Obama can add to the tickets appeal as an articulate liberal and a person of color.

Clinton has solid support of 30% of the electorate but very little potential for expanding beyond that among Democrats, and much less among moderate Republicans who are sick of the Bush Administration.

I wish Obama had the experience of a Richardson but he doesn't. Unfortunately, Richardson has the experience but not the popular appeal. I'd vote for him as Secretary of State, if Bill Cohen were not available.

Oh, and as a delegate to Maine's State Convention, assuming I'm elected again, I'll be voting for Kucinich so that his bargaining power will be increased. Last time around Kucinich got over 25% of the Maine delegates.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 08:57 AM

It's too bad the whole thing has turned into a money-raising, spending thing. I think Kicinich has a lot to offer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 May 07 - 02:46 PM

"...anybody with more than one brain cell will realize Obama is not a radical Moslem."


                A radical Moslem, probably not, but a radical Christian?   Maybe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,RealisticPatriot
Date: 03 May 07 - 08:54 AM

Is Obama muslim in part or other? radical or not, it doesnt matter.read the koran.islam is a message of hate; its followers to be rewarded richly by a god for the number of "unbelievers" they can erradicate from the earth. We classify muslims "radical" by the ones who actually follow the directives given them in their koran. If any of these religious principles play any part in my presidents descision process, i don't want them!
    Please remember to use one consistent name when you post. If you post under a variety of names, you risk having all your posts deleted.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 07 - 08:58 AM

I really don't think Obama is a follower of Islam. He's a member of a Christian church--if that makes you feel any better. I think his father was born into some kind of Islamic tradition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: DougR
Date: 03 May 07 - 01:36 PM

I think he is very clean and articulate.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 07 - 01:53 PM

Where did this idea come from that he was Islamic? Sounds pretty reactionary, or possibly an intentional smear campaign from thiose with other axres to grind. And when did the religion test get added into the qualifications for public office? How very unchristian.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 May 07 - 01:58 PM

". .  .  read the Koran."

Yes, GUEST,"Realistic" Patriot! Read it! It doesn't say any such thing, any more than the Bible does—which, I might add, is a bit problematic. It's only the radical Muslims—just like the Christian fundamentalists—who want to cram their beliefs down other people's throats, or slaughter "heretics" who won't accept their bill-of-goods. They comb through the scriptures (either Koran or Bible) to cherry-pick the verses (more often than not, taking them out of context) to try to "justify" their own heretical beliefs and actions.

These people are neither Muslim nor Christian, no matter how pious their rhetoric.

So Obama's father was a Muslim. But Obama is not. Religious belief is not a matter of heredity, it's a matter of choice.

Besides, what, pray tell, would be so bad about having a president who is Muslim? Apart from certain factions having a hissy-fit over the fact, the same way they had a hissy-fit over John F. Kennedy's being a Catholic?

It sounds like rampant bigotry to me!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 07 - 02:24 PM

"Religious belief is not a matter of heredity, it's a matter of choice."

             Your absolutely right about that. And I've always wondered why, then, it should be protected as a protected right for the forces of anti-discrimination, like race or gender.

             If I choose to be a drunk or an opiate addict, the governmen thinks it's perfectly fine to discriminate against me, but if I choose to be a Presbyterian, it's not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 07 - 02:34 PM

Nor should it be, Rig. Your choice to be a Presbyterian reflects on your views of spiritual matters. Traditionally, the underlying assumptyion is that sensitivity to some kind of spiritual sensitivity makes an individual a better human, more open to such things as ethics, justice, and beauty. However, the absolute respect for self-determination in such matters is the only workable way to implement that principle in a free society. At least, I can't think of a more workable one.

The problem gets multiplied inordinately and unnecessarily when spiritual interest or curiosity is automatically associated with one or another sets of silly icons, bizarre predictions, and far-out (and unfounded) assertions about how the world must be.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 May 07 - 05:07 PM

The point is, it would be my choice to be a Presbyterian, if I chose to be one. I don't choose to be male, female, African or European.

                I don't see any reason to antagonize somebody unnecessarily, but governmental sanctions should only apply, it seems to me, when people are unvoluntarily herded into classified groups.

                Though I'm not at all sure any of this has anything to do with Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mg
Date: 03 May 07 - 10:06 PM

I suspect that not everyone would choose to be the religion they were raised in. Well, me for example. I would be a unitarian or druid or something..mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 May 07 - 10:24 AM

The point is, however, as some time in their life they do choose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 May 07 - 02:17 PM

Democrats Overtake Republicans in 2008 Ballot
May 9, 2007
(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Democrat Barack Obama leads three prospective Republican presidential nominees in the United States, according to a poll by Princeton Survey Research Associates released by Newsweek. 50 per cent of respondents would vote for the Illinois senator, while 43 per cent would back former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani.

In addition, Obama holds a 13-point advantage over Arizona senator John McCain, and a 19-point lead over former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney.

In other contests, New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton leads Giuliani by three points, McCain by six points, and Romney by 22 points. Former North Carolina senator John Edwards is also ahead against the three Republicans.

On May 7, Giuliani called for an expansion of the country's armed forces, saying, "I believe America needs at least 10 new combat brigades in addition to those already proposed (that) are already in the budget."


In American elections, candidates require 270 votes in the Electoral College to win the White House. In November 2004, Republican George W. Bush earned a second term after securing 286 electoral votes from 31 states. Democratic nominee John Kerry received 252 electoral votes from 19 states and the District of Columbia.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/15674

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Stringsinger
Date: 10 May 07 - 03:31 PM

Obama, Clinton and Edwards have stated that "Iran is not off the table". Code word for possible invasion. As aggravating as Gravel appeared to be, I think he told the truth. Not sure that on policy regarding "national security" (a buzzword for police states and invading foreign countries) makes Obama, Clinton and possibly Edwards much different from the GOP position. None of them are talking about reducing nukes.

Kucinich makes the most sense to me.

Frank Hamilton


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 May 07 - 05:04 PM

Frank, Tell me how to make Kucinich more competitive. I feel the same way you do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 May 07 - 05:52 PM

Make him Obama's VP?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 May 07 - 06:03 PM

Obama would have to get the nomination first, and I'm having a hard time seeing that happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 May 07 - 06:47 PM

US DJ criticised over Obama song (BBC News)

Limbaugh has referred to Barack Obama as "Halfrican American"
US talk show host Rush Limbaugh has come under fire for airing a racially charged song about the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.
Limbaugh has been playing a song called Barack the Magic Negro, to the tune of Puff the Magic Dragon.

The right-wing talk show host defended himself by saying he is an entertainer and the song is a parody.

Mr Obama, who hopes to become the first black American president, has played down the row.

Rush Limbaugh, whose radio show is one of the most popular in the US, justified running the song by saying that an article by a black commentator in the liberal Los Angeles Times was the first to link the term "magic negro" to Mr Obama.

Limbaugh said liberals upset about the term should be aware that "magic negro" is a historical cultural term, a reference to benevolent African-Americans portrayed in old films.

'Inflaming audience'

The song, he said, was intended to make fun of the problems Mr Obama's candidacy poses to "race-obsessed Democrats", as well as questions from media pundits as to whether Mr Obama was "black enough".

Mr Obama said he had not heard the song but that he did not take himself so seriously as to be offended by every comment made about him.

His campaign team described the song as dumb.

Karl Frisch, a spokesman for Media Matters, a US monitoring group, said the song was consistent with previous comments by Limbaugh, such as referring to Mr Obama as "Halfrican American".

Mr Frisch accused Limbaugh of inflaming his audience.

The song was first aired in March and there has been a lot of internet traffic associated with it.

The CBS News website has temporarily blocked all readers' comments on its stories about Mr Obama.

Mike Sims, the director of the website, said CBS could not collectively delete the derogatory remarks because of their "volume and persistence".

Mr Obama was last week given secret service protection after threats appeared on white supremacist websites.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 May 07 - 06:53 PM

And, of course, Don Imus is off the air for making comments that were not intended to harm anyone, though I'll admit they were insulting, while we have this kind of insanity being broadcast unchecked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Dickey
Date: 10 May 07 - 11:26 PM

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed," Obama told a crowd of 500 in Richmond on Tuesday. The actual number of deaths was 12.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 11 May 07 - 12:11 AM

Dickey:

Why did you leave out his later statement correcting and apologizing for the misstatement? Trying to slant things?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Peace
Date: 11 May 07 - 12:14 AM

Dickey slant things? Nooooooooooooooooooooo . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 07 - 12:23 AM

That's the trouble with being a politician. Every single word that comes out of your mouth can come back to haunt you.

Has anyone among us never once made an error when they were talking about something?

Besides me and Dickey and Chongo, I mean..... (grin)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Dickey
Date: 11 May 07 - 12:19 PM

Apollogies are only accepted from democrats and left wingers:

Howard Dean: "You think the Republican National Committee could get this many people of color in a single room? " Dean asked to laughter. "Only if they had the hotel staff in here." PASS

Trent Lott: "When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either" Forced to resign.

Klansman Byrd: "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time." PASS

John Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." PASS


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 May 07 - 01:28 PM

"Why did you leave out his later statement correcting and apologizing for the misstatement? Trying to slant things?"

Amos,

Are YOU sure you want us to apply the same standards you are putting on him to be applied to you and YOUR posts?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 May 07 - 02:37 PM

What's wrong with Dean said there? Well I suppose it might offend some Republicans, but I can't see how anyone could see it as in any way racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 May 07 - 03:12 PM

Aww...horsefeathers. You are all guilty of what you accuse others of. Just admit it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Dickey
Date: 11 May 07 - 11:16 PM

The other side of the story is too much for Amos to deal with so he tries to dogpile it.

I don't see any original thinking by Amos. He just echos whatever negative crap he can dig up and adds some spin of his own.

Play it safe Amos, follow the crowd. When things go wrong just call someone a liar to throw the attention on them while you wiggle off of the hook.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 12 May 07 - 12:43 AM

Dickey:

I notice you did not answer my question in your haste to throw slurs.

Obama made a perfectly clear apology and explanation for his error. As a responsible person who misspoke would do.

I just wondered why you left that out.

I fail to understand why this question means I am accusing you of lying, which I did not.

What is it you think I am wiggling off of, exactly? Do you have any specifics for your peculiar accusation?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 May 07 - 06:27 AM

Dickey:

You really do need to do a bit of research before regurgitating your chosen drivel:

When was Byrd's quote from? When was Lott's quote from? I know--do you? The answers make a big difference.

Kerry's quote was from a joke he botched--by leaving out one word.

Not that we'd ever want to imply that you are an amazingly credulous right wing fool. As Cheney might say, I'm not here to state that.

Have you ever figured out what a non-denial denial is?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 15 May 07 - 03:03 PM

Obama will vote for the Feingold amendment:

"Tomorrow, I expect cloture votes on two other proposals. One is the Reid-Feingold plan, which would begin a withdrawal of troops in 120 days and end all combat operations on April 1. The other is Senator Levin's proposal, which would create standards and benchmarks for additional funding."

"I will support both, not because I believe either is the best answer, but because I want to send a strong statement to the Iraqi government, the President and my Republican colleagues that it's long past time to change course."

"Meanwhile, I'll continue to press for my own plan, and work to find the 16 votes in the Senate to pass it with a veto-proof majority and bring our troops home quickly, safely and responsibly."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Wolfgang
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 05:03 AM

Obama unplugged (in DER SPIEGEL)
(Note: the magazine is left of the middle, but this particular journalist is right of the middle, especially when it comes to discussing economy)

The senator from Illinois does not live up to the myth his campaigners are trying to create.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 20 Jul 07 - 05:24 PM

Wow. He learned all about Obama in one speech.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Jul 07 - 07:20 AM

Thanks for the link Wolfgang, I particularly liked this observation:

"Comparing Apples and Oranges

And Obama does exactly what populists like to do most: He compares apples and oranges. A kids project in Harlem that he would like to see extended across America costs $46 million a year -- the kind of money that is spent in just one morning in the Iraq war, he says. Let's invest this money better, he calls out to the audience. The applause speaks for the effectiveness of these kinds of comparisons. But it also speaks against the candidate.

Buying toys instead of weapons is the surest way for America to lose its status as a superpower. The conflict with an aggressive Islam could not be won in this way. Naturally Obama knows this -- that's why in an article for Foreign Affairs he writes that in his opinion the US military urgently needs to be "revitalized." That means more money, more soldiers and more ground forces -- he suggests an increase of around 100,000 men and women. "A strong military is, more than anything, necessary to sustain peace," he writes."

As I stated on another thread, the crop of U.S. Politicians around at the moment could not lead a well trained dog on a leash.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 04:32 PM

Obama says Clinton has foreign policy like Bush's

By Steve Holland
Reuters
Thursday, July 26, 2007; 12:26 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama accused Hillary Clinton on Thursday of backing a foreign policy toward hostile nations no different than U.S. President George W. Bush's in an escalation of their war of words this week.

Obama, an Illinois senator, fired back at New York Sen. Clinton for calling him "irresponsible and naive" for saying during a CNN/YouTube debate on Monday that he would be willing to meet without preconditions the leaders of Iran, Syria, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela during his first year in office.

The dust-up between the two top contenders in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination in the November 2008 election has been the most dramatic spat thus far in the campaign.

Clinton has tried to portray herself as the most experienced option among Democrats, far more prepared to be commander-in-chief than Obama, who has been in the U.S. Senate less than three years compared to her eight years as first lady to President Bill Clinton and senator since 2001.

Clinton took a more cautious approach to a debate question about meeting troublesome world leaders, arguing the president should only meet with such leaders after lower-level diplomatic spadework is completed.

Obama, in a conference call with reporters, said that is Bush's position as well.

"The Bush administration's policy is to say that we will not talk to these countries unless they meet various preconditions. That's their explicit policy," Obama said.

At the same time, Obama seemed to walk back a little bit from his debate position, saying diplomatic preparation would be necessary before presidential meetings.

"Nobody expects that you would suddenly just sit down with them for coffee without having done the appropriate groundwork. But the question was, would you meet them without preconditions, and part of the Bush doctrine has been to say no," he said.

"You'll have to ask Senator Clinton what differentiates her position from theirs," Obama added.
(From WAPO)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:57 AM

Analysis: Obama Talks Tough on Terror
By NEDRA PICKLER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, August 1, 2007; 11:29 PM


WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama warned Pakistan Wednesday that he would use military force if necessary to root out terrorists, the second time in two weeks that he's staked out a dramatically different road for U.S. foreign policy.

The Illinois senator's tough talk against Pakistan comes after he pledged to meet with leaders of rogue nations who have been rebuffed by President Bush.



Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., speaks during a town hall meeting, Monday, July 30, 2007, at Roosevelt Middle School in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. (AP Photo/Charlie Neibergall) (Charlie Neibergall - AP)


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And while Bush has embraced Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf as a valued ally in the war on terror, Obama said he would take a harder line. He said Musharraf must do more to shut down terrorist operations along the Afghan border or risk a U.S. military attack against the foreign fighters and the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid.

"Let me make this clear," Obama said. "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will."

Obama's stance against Pakistan comes after last week's dispute with top rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in which the New York senator accused him of being "irresponsible and naive" for saying he would meet with heads of states such as Cuba, North Korea, Syria and Iran without conditions.

This new policy is designed to show that Obama would be a tough commander in chief when times demand it, even though he opposed the Iraq war and wants to open a dialogue with foreign foes.

Obama's foreign policy ideas all have one thing in common _ they stake ground on the flip side of current U.S. policy when many voters are dissatisfied with the country's direction in the world. The first-term Illinois senator is determined to show he can give diplomacy a fresh start.

"It's time to turn the page," Obama said four times in a 45-minute speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. The speech was written by Ben Rhodes, a longtime aide to Center president, Sept. 11 Commission Vice Chairman and former Indiana Rep. Lee Hamilton.

While he is rejecting Bush's approach, Obama is also trying to lump Clinton in with the administration. His speech also criticized Congress' approval of the Iraq war resolution four times.

"With that vote, Congress became co-author of a catastrophic war," Obama said. In 2002, Clinton vote for the resolution authorizing Bush to topple Saddam Hussein's regime.

Thousands of Taliban fighters are based in Pakistan's vast and jagged mountains, where they can pass into Afghanistan, train for suicide operations and find refuge from local tribesmen. Intelligence experts warn that al-Qaida could be rebuilding to mount another attack on the United States. ... (WAPO)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:01 PM

Again I will say he is the best seeming domestic candidate to come down the pike in a long time. He is exactly what America needs, especially the young men of America need something in the way of a role model, but someone who can talk sternly to them when needed. But why oh why is he talking about invading one of our allies? There are things best left unsaid or said behind closed doors or whatever....Drop Iraq, invade Pakistan....I can not grasp the logic, even it is were just to get votes, which I don't think it was...mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 02:48 PM

Obama's little outburst regarding his intentions toward Pakistan, will almost guarantee the stopping of any on the ground intelligence coming out of Pakistan. Hillary is perfectly correct when she states that he is incredibly naive when it comes to foreign policy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 04:21 PM

Surely he knows about saving face etc....their's...when they have done a lot to rout out terrorists there..probably others in the same area supporting them...but surely this is so the opposite of diplomacy, statesmanship etc...I am always thinking well, someone must know more about it than me, and perhaps he does, but I can not understand going after our few allies. Allies good, enemies bad...hard to tell difference sometimes but try. If he was just trying to look tough, how about speaking harshly to Bin Laden or insurgents etc.    mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 07:22 PM

I was really excited about his candidacy until I heard his remark about invading Pakistan. It left me cold and uninterested in him. The will of the people is to get out of Iraq, which means ultimately out of WAR, so why did he have to almost promise another one? I am not interested in ANY candidate who talks war, period.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 09:45 AM

The new characterization of Obama by the ruling class now calls him Jane Fonda and Dr. Strangelove in the same breath regarding seperate answers Barak gave concerning the use of American nuclear weapons.

Add these to the long list of defamatory propoganda phrases aimed at Barak Obama in the 'Obama's goose is cooked' thread.

In the last election, the black Congressman Ford was defeated by a commercial that implied he consorted with white women (at a Playboy Magazine party in which Bill OReilly was also in attendence).

Eventually an ad will infer that the safety of white women in America will be threatened if Obama is given any exedutive powers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 06:05 PM

Legitimate concerns about national security, which I have, are way different than defamatory propaganda. Like I said, I wished I had more confidence in him to lead us through possible attacks on the USA, and I don't. I do wish there was only this country to worry about, and then I would wholeheartedly support him, as I think he has an extreme lot to offer. Maybe if he had General Powell advising him, maybe some other solutions..I don't know...but I was stunned when I heard that Pakistan remark. I would like to see him president but I can't reconcile it with that comment..which is not only ignorant, as far as I can tell, but inflammatory and self-destructive and dangerous for the country. Maybe someone can help him but he might have totally self-destructed with that..hopefully there is a role that he can fill...president if he can persuade us he is not a loose cannon..but maybe secretary of education or health and welfare or something. Vice President, when he should have been president..but not to Hillary, God forbid she gets the nomination, which she probably will at this point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:55 PM

There are way worse politicos out there already in office and contending for office, than Obama could ever be.

I don't think his comments on Pakistan constitute his policy, I think he's trying to position himself outside of his own party as having certain hawk-like components. Hillary's riposte was alert on her part but not impossible to foresee on his part. He's thinking beyond the nomination.

Mitt Romney's comments were cute but no death blow.

I like the way Obama presents himself. He has a sense of humor.

What he does not have is experience in power. I would prefer there was more of a history there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 11:46 PM

If you want to show that you have hawk-like components to your personality, will stand tough etc...there are enemy terrorist groups etc. you can speak harshly about..not your allies who are fighting the terrorists alongside you and providing you with logistical bases, intelligence etc....granted the terrorists are intermingled with host country, but nevertheless....you can say we will assist the Pakistani government in routing out our mutual destructive enemy etc...It is sort of like when Ford didn't seem to realize Poland was a communist-controlled country. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 02:36 AM

mg you're sort of helping me with my point. When Pres. Ford made that statement about Poland he was clearly suffering a mid-debate brain fart, for which he paid heavily. I don't think for a moment given time and consideration he would have said what he said. It's a genuine case of mis-speak.

Obama is trying to make some political hay and establish himself as a would-be 'player'. He is betting that his gains will exceed his losses, politically.

As for our 'ally' Pakistan, in a part of the world where the US is trying to establish democracy, it is a military controlled state which has enabled the greatest dissemination of nuclear weapons technology in two generations...it has made a peace treaty with Al Qaeda. Afghanistan does not look upon Pakistan with great affection as a sanctuary for elements of the Taliban. And the present US government had no qualms about calling up the leader of Pakistan and out-and-out threatening him and his country to secure his cooperation.

So, while I have reservations about Obama as stated above, his little aside about Pakistan should not be blown out of proportion, although I'm sure it will be, like Howard Dean's little war whoop.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 07 Sep 07 - 11:06 AM

On August 21, 2007, democrat and U.S. presidential candidate, Barack Obama called for an end to the inhumane economic sanctions that were imposed by the Bush administration in 2004 and 2006, which mercilessly divide Cuban families (1). The draconian measures, designed to strangle the islands economy and ultimately bring down the Cuban government, limit visits to the island by Cubans living in the U.S. to 14 days every three years. Cubans wishing to travel to Cuba must obtain State Department authorization and must intend to visit a direct relative. As defined by Bush, this includes grandparents, parents, siblings, children or a spouse. Therefore a U.S. citizen of Cuban origin does not have the right to visit cousins, uncles, aunts, nieces or nephews who have remained in Cuba (2).



Obama also denounced the restrictions on remittances that Cuban-Americans can send to their families (maximum $100/mo). "This is both a humanitarian and a strategic issue. That decision […has] had a profoundly negative impact on the welfare of the Cuban people," he declared. As president, "I will grant Cuban-Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island," he promised (3).



The Illinois senator also stated his willingness to begin bilateral talks with the government in Havana. "To normalize relations and ease the embargo that has governed relations between our countries for the last five decades." Obama is the first presidential candidate to suggest the possibility of lifting the economic blockade against Cuba. This is an extremely positive development even though the distinct stench of colonialism that emanated from his some of his words illustrating his intention to impose conditions on a sovereign nation was lamentable (4).



Felipe Pérez Roque, Cuba's minister of foreign affairs, welcomed Obama's initiative, "These declarations express the opinion of the U.S. majority." The minister denounced the barbaric and anachronistic cruelty of the Bush administration toward Cuba (5) and pointed out that the restrictive measures violate the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens to free movement (6).



Conversely, democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, eyeing campaign contributions from the extreme rightwing heirs of the Fulgencio Batista regime, called Obama's rational point of view "irresponsible and frankly naive" (7). She called for continuing the economic sanctions, remaining faithful to her husband legacy. Bill Clinton signed the senseless, retroactive and extraterritorial Helms-Burton law of 1996 in hopes of delivering the coup de grâce to the Cuban Revolution. "She supports the embargo and our current policy toward Cuba," stated her spokesman, Mo Elleithee (8).



The vast majority of the general public in the U.S. as well as the Cuban-American community strongly support lifting the economic sanctions that seriously suppresses the standard of living on the island. The blockade imposed on Cuba since 1960 demonstrates Washington's inability to recognize the independence of the Caribbean nation. Not to mention that it has been totally ineffective. The government of Fidel Castro has proposed dialogue based on mutual respect several times to the White House. But so far, the northern neighbor has not come to terms with and still refuses to acknowledge Cuba's liberation from U.S. tutelage in 1959.


Jen Psaki, spokeswoman for Barack Obama, summed it up this way: "Ultimately, this election is a choice between staying with the failed policies of the past […] or turning the page and taking a new approach to global diplomacy." It is yet to be seen whether reason and common sense will prevail and the cruel and unjust punishment exacted on the Cuban people will disappear forever.


From this site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 27 Nov 07 - 02:13 PM

"...In an interview with the Hollywood Reporter, Winfrey said she will not use her "platform" on Obama's behalf -- meaning her show and her eponymous magazine -- but instead will speak for him with her "personal voice."

Why? "Because I felt it was the right thing to do. And you know, I weighed that: What is the cost to me for doing it? Am I going to lose viewers? I made the decision that I have the right to do it as an American citizen. . . . I know him well enough to believe in his moral authority. And that is the number one reason why I am supporting him."

Timing is everything, in entertainment as well as politics. Winfrey's upcoming campaign appearances with Obama will come less than a month before the nominating caucuses in Iowa, where a recent Post-ABC News poll showed Obama with a slim lead. Winfrey's support might not make any difference. But if I were running for president, I'd rather have her with me than against me.

Asked by the Hollywood Reporter whether she had any doubts -- not specifically about politics but about herself, about life, about anything -- Winfrey gave this answer:

"No, I don't have any doubts. I really don't. Because I live in a very spiritual space -- not a religious space, but I live in a spiritual space where I understand the connection that we all have with each other. It's not just rhetoric for me. I really do understand the common denominator in the human experience."

If anyone else were to say such a thing, it would sound like nothing but a bunch of New Age newspeak. When Oprah Winfrey says it, you can't escape the nagging feeling that she knows something the rest of us don't. "

(From a Washington Post column).

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 12:57 PM

Obama hopes for sane solutions

Globe Columnist / December 4, 2007


BARACK OBAMA talked softly that he would beat off the big stick the Republicans are sure to wield on immigration. "Yes we have to have comprehensive immigration reform, we have to be serious about border security, we have to crack down on employers who are taking advantage of illegal immigrants, and we have to have a pathway to citizenship for the 12 million who are here," the Illinois senator told the Globe's editorial board yesterday in its series of endorsement interviews before the New Hampshire primary.

"But the politics of immigration I don't think will change until American workers feel as if somebody is listening to them, looking out for them, fighting for them and their economic concerns . . . If people see that we're taking those steps, then it puts them in a more generous mood when it comes to immigrants."

To borrow from the title of one of Obama's books, he has the audacity to hope for sanity if he becomes the Democratic nominee for president.

A month ago, front-runner Hillary Clinton came under fire from Obama and the rest of her rivals as well as from conservative talk shows for appearing to vacillate in a debate on a proposal in her New York state to give driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants. She went from saying the now-dumped proposal by Governor Eliot Spitzer "makes a lot of sense" to saying "Do I think this is the best thing for any governor to do? No."

Obama was one of the candidates who immediately challenged Clinton's position.

"I was confused on Senator Clinton's answer," Obama said. "I can't tell whether she was for it or against it. And I do think that is important. One of the things that we have to do in this country is to be honest about the challenges we face. Immigration is a difficult issue. But part of leadership is not just looking backwards and seeing what's popular." ...

Rest of article can be found here (Boston Globe).


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 06:19 PM

CNN Washington Bureau

DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- Saying she felt compelled to support "the man I believe has a new vision for America," Oprah Winfrey spoke passionately about Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama at a rally in Iowa Saturday.

"These are dangerous times, you can feel it. We need a leader who shows us how to hope again in America as a force for peace," Winfrey told the enthusiastic crowd.

"I believe Barack Obama will bring statesmanship to the White House," she said. "He's a man who knows who we are and knows who we can be."

Winfrey said she has voted for as many Republicans as she has Democrats over the years, so her endorsement wasn't about partisanship.

"This is very, very personal. I'm here because of my personal conviction about Barack Obama and what I know he can do for America," she said to applause.

Obama thanked Winfrey for drawing a big crowd and coming out to the event.

"There are some people here who are here to see Oprah. I'm sort of a by-product of that and I appreciate that, but what I know is that for her to take the risk of stepping out of her comfort zone is extraordinary," the senator from Illinois said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 07:04 PM

You've got to wonder who would go to see Oprah.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 08 Dec 07 - 08:30 PM

Well, fact is, she is loyally followed and trusted by a large following. For better or for worse.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 07:57 AM

Problem is: Hillary does not seem to learned an important lesson from Lincoln: "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time...." Maybe she doesn't think she should pay attention to any Republican--which Lincoln of course was.

But she's trying desperately to be all things to all people--hence her pathetic floundering on the immigration issue, and the issue of attacking Iraq, and the issue of attacking Iran, and........

Obama can--and does--take stands.


And as far as Oprah--she deserves a lot of credit---she's a self-made woman, who among other things, is standing up for vital issues--like the important nature of reading--hence her book club. Even if you may not agree that all her book selections are the best literature, just the idea of encouraging people who watch her show to read is wonderfully laudable.

Admittedly she doesn't show the encylopedic knowledge of luminaries such as St. Thomas (Tancredo)--who does?--and therefore may not be acceptable to Rig.


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From: beardedbruce
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 08:00 AM

Have to agree with you on this one, Ron.

I may not like what his stands are, but at least with Obama I know what he stands for, and have some idea of what his future actions might be.

And he does seem to be running on something other than "I am not Bush": That alone could get him a lot of votes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 08:03 AM

And on the driver's license question, Hillary demonstrated that St. Thomas Tancredo was indeed the Republican to whom she should be talking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 08:22 AM

Absolutely, Rig.   Hillary should say forthrightly that she agrees with St. Thomas on the immigration issue. That should settle her hash nicely--and she knows it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 08:31 AM

The real problem is, she, as well as all the other serious candidates have to deal with the problem of getting the nomination without saying something that would seal their defeat in the general election.

               Obama plays nicely to the home town crowd, but how would he do in the general election. Practical Democrats should probaly oughta be thinkin' about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 09:03 AM

Obama is more moderate than you think, Rig. But still willing to take a stand. And somebody who can break with the 60's (and 90's) legacy weighing Hillary down.

It's time for a change. And Hillary is not change.   She already has an "enemies list".

And, as I've said before, I'm a Republican--though not one who ever supported our Chickenhawk-in-Chief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 09:37 AM

From what I read, the problem Obama has--tactically--in Iowa, is that many of his supporters are quite young voters. And the Iowa caucus will take place over the Christmas break-- when the vast majority of college students will not be in Iowa. They therefore will not be able to vote there--if that were possible--and will not even be able to help ferry voters to the polls or do other work for Obama.

Whereas Hillary's strongest supporters are appear to be older women--who will be there--and tend to vote in large numbers.

However, if Hillary does not win in Iowa by a large margin, Edwards and Obama can team up afterwards--and stop her.

The visceral anti-Hillary sentiment in the country is huge. Not so high for Edwards and Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 10:51 AM

Balancing his odds and his virtues, and the fact that really only Hillary is in the other pan, I would urge myself (and others) to vote for him. Unless something dramatic changes the picture between now and then, I think he will be a national asset of significance, rather than a national catastrophe (Bush) or a figure-head for more of the same (Hillary).

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 11:07 AM

Ron - I think the college age vote not being there is what is working for Gomer Pyle in Iowa on the Republican side as well.

                One problem the Democrats have with Obama, however, is in the South. Most of the black voters there are registered Democrat, so he can expect to do very well in the primary. But in the general election he'd really have trouble. And I wouldn't be surprised if white Democrats will back away from him even more than white Republicans will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 06:58 PM

Could be. Someone would need to be a pretty deep-dyed racist to vote against Obama because of his skin colour, but I'm sure there are plenty like that. But I'd also imagine there'd also be quite a lot of people who mightn't be totally sold on him, who might be swayed to vote for him in a general election, as a way of asserting that the USA isn't any longer a racist country. (And the same could apply to Clinton, for analogous reasons, if she turns out to be the Democratic candidate.)

Opinion polls are pretty suspect things, but this round-up of them seems to indicate that either Obama or Clinton would stand a pretty good chance of beating the likely opponents, and there's not a lot between them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 06:59 PM

This round up of polls - I forgot the link.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 07:01 PM

Go Dennis!!!

100...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Dec 07 - 08:42 PM

BTW, folks... I haven't been too keen on the various campaigns and therefore haven't said much of anything about any of them other than a few comments about Dennis Kucinich...

Dennis and Barak are the only two candidates, IMHO, who can bring about the "cultural" changes that the American people need to go thru in order for the country to move toward stable ground... Thwe others, except perhaps Bill Richardson, John Edwards included, don't give US much real opportunity to make a serious mid-course correction so...

... if Obama wins the nomination I will take off some time and either head up or work in his campaign in Page County, Va... Of course if Dennis wins, it's a simple as...

...ABC which of course means...

...Anyone But Clinton...

I like Obama/Richradson myself...

Richarson can deliver 2 or three SW states and that is enough to beat out the Repubs... If Virgina goes Dem, and maybe Florida, then it'll look like a landslide next November...

But forget that stuff...

Obama is just okay with me...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 10 Dec 07 - 10:22 AM

Obama's American Idea
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By ROGER COHEN
Published: December 10, 2007
I asked Senator Barack Obama if he's tough enough for a dangerous world. Sometimes the Democratic candidate treads so carefully, and looks so vulnerable to a gust of wind, that the question of whether his legal mind can get lethal arises.

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Go to Columnist Page » Blog: Passages "Yes, I'm tough enough," he responded during a half-hour conversation. "What I've always found is people who talk about how tough they are aren't the tough ones. I'm less interested in beating my chest and rattling my saber and more in making decisions that build a safer and more secure world."

Obama, speaking less than a month before the Iowa caucus on Jan. 3, continued: "We can and should lead the world, but we have to apply wisdom and judgment. Part of our capacity to lead is linked to our capacity to show restraint."

That was striking: an enduring belief in U.S. leadership coupled with a commitment to, as he also put it, acting "with a sense of humility." Skepticism about the American idea and American global stewardship has grown fast during the Bush years.

..(T)his has led some to conclude that the world would be better off if America slunk home. As Joyce Carol Oates wrote in The Atlantic: "How heartily sick the world has grown, in the first seven years of the 21st century, of the American idea!" It has become a "cruel joke."

If a global survey were taken, that might prove to be a minority opinion, but I doubt it.

Still, Obama stands by the universality of the American proposition: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness under a constitutional government of limited powers. "I believe in American exceptionalism," he told me, but not one based on "our military prowess or our economic dominance."

Rather, he insisted, "our exceptionalism must be based on our Constitution, our principles, our values and our ideals. We are at our best when we are speaking in a voice that captures the aspirations of people across the globe."

.."Nowhere in American history has the gulf between ideals and sordid practice been greater than on questions of race. It is precisely the gulf between high principle — not least habeas corpus — and unprincipled actions that has done the most damage to America's image in recent years. Once again, Obama appears to bridge and reconcile.

"We can't entirely remake the world," he told me. "What we can do is lead by example."



Put him in and let him roll.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 02:35 AM

Rig -

Is your concern mainly over Obama's particular church, or concern over how his beliefs inform his views on separation of church and state?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 10:07 AM

"It's clear that voters are not only exhausted by the war, they are exhausted by the war over the war. On the Democratic side, Obama captured the mood exactly with his Jefferson-Jackson Day speech of a few weeks ago. In that speech, he asked voters to reject fear, partisanship and textbook politics. He asked them to vote instead on the basis of their aspirations for a new era of national unity. As a result, Obama has pulled ahead in Iowa and approached parity in New Hampshire. "

(TImes editorial)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 03:04 PM

I think he does best when he just is natural and doesn't try for grand oratory..especially the loud passionate kind. The only problem I have with him is international..I just don't know..I think for the country domestically he would be outstanding. Let his policy wonk side shine through along with natural eloquance..understated preferably.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 03:10 PM

"Is your concern mainly over Obama's particular church, or concern over how his beliefs inform his views on separation of church and state?"


             The concept of a separation of church and state seems to be disappearing. Obama isn't the worst candidate on this issue, but he isn't the best either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 03:21 PM

Frankly, I would rather have Obama's surprises when he has to deal with foreign policy issues, than I would Hillary's surprises; because I believe hers will be much more discreditable than his.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:02 PM

I'm joining the group that's trying to draft Lou Dobbs for president.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:09 PM

Just about anybody is going to be an amazing improvement on what you've got now, anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:18 PM

That's true, McGrath. That's very true!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:29 PM

Yes...'almost' anyone would be an improvement. I could certainly be comfortable with trusting Obama to lead and make thoughtful decisions. But, that being said, I could be reasonably comfortable with any of the top 4 Democratic candidates...including Biden, though I admit that he has no chance.
   I am more & more impressed with Edwards in the one-on-one interviews I have seen, even though his 'speeches' lack a little.
....and, unlike many, I am NOT against Hillary Clinton. I judge all candidates more by what I see of them in informal interviews, and she is no dummy and is quick-witted and knowledgeable, and despite not being absolutely clear about immigration...(and who IS?..or can be?), she is within my tolerances on most issues.

...If I had to vote, right now, I'd probably give it to Obama by a few points...but no more. He IS just coming up to speed on many issues and needs, despite his 'outsider' claims, a base in Washington and a pool of competent folks for appointments. I would REALLY like to see a list of individuals he might appoint to cabinet and other positions, as I consider that to be as important an issues as the presidency.

We shall see....I just wish ALL of them would stop sniping at EACH OTHER!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 04:46 PM

I agree Bill. And sometimes I kinda get all dreamy and imagine what the world would be like if pigs could fly, too! :D


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Dec 07 - 05:23 PM

All the sniping in the world between politicians never gets in the wayu of the losers accepting jobs from the winner, and the winner offering jobs to the losers, when that proves convenient. It's not quite shadow-boxing, but it tends to be closer to sparring than to a real fight.

Onlookers and bystanders and hangers on and outsiders take this kind of battling much more seriously than the actual participants. In all political systems (except those where they do actually kill each other, such as the Mafia - and even there they make deals.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 02:19 PM

A Dud From Team Clinton

By Robert D. Novak
Thursday, December 13, 2007; Page A35

David Axelrod, the seasoned Chicago Democratic operative who is chief strategist for Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign, was taken by surprise in the last minute of CBS's "Face the Nation" on Dec. 2. Howard Wolfson, Sen. Hillary Clinton's spokesman, accused Obama of running a "slush fund." In fact, the Clinton campaign was spreading that story privately months ago.

Last summer, a senior Clinton aide told a famous Democrat believed to favor Obama that the Illinois senator was using his "leadership" political action committee to spread money around the country to grease his presidential prospects. That message was private when Clinton seemed far ahead in the race for the Democratic nomination. It became public when Obama threatened to overtake her.

Before Wolfson spoke out, one of Clinton's close supporters was spreading word of unspecified defects in Obama that should deter Democrats from supporting him. This is the Clinton style that has proved effective for two decades, but Obama has continued to close the gap. This attack mode works best when the accusations are hidden from public view.

Last summer, a few Clinton insiders -- headed by her Senate chief of staff, Tamera Luzzatto -- paid a presumably social visit to the Cape Cod, Mass., vacation home of a prestigious Democrat reported to be in Obama's corner. Luzzatto warned that Obama was ethically challenged because of his leadership PAC. My sources indicated that this was not an isolated incident and that the slush-fund story was spread widely.

A month ago, a Democrat close to Clinton, though not on her Senate or campaign staff, approached a party activist who has not made a commitment to a candidate with this message: Skeletons in Obama's closet would make him vulnerable if nominated. He did not elaborate and said that the Clinton campaign would keep its anti-Obama information to itself, remembering mutually destructive assaults between Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt in 2004 that facilitated John Kerry's nomination.

The Clinton campaign denied all this, claiming it was a Republican plot. In truth, there was no Republican source for this story. In the wake of these denials, Wolfson made his slush-fund accusation on "Face the Nation" shortly after polls showed Obama passing Clinton for the lead in Iowa's Jan. 3 caucuses:


"There's a lot that voters don't know about Barack Obama," said Wolfson, "and one thing that they don't know we found out this week, which is that he has been using and operating a so-called leadership PAC in apparent contravention of campaign finance laws." Wolfson demanded that Axelrod say whether he would "shut down Sen. Obama's slush fund." With only 20 seconds left, Axelrod's answer sounded lame: "I think it is shut down, Howard. . . . I don't know that there's any money left in it."

With more time, Axelrod might have noted that Obama's PAC contributed to Clinton's 2006 Senate reelection and, in the current cycle, to Jeanne Shaheen's Senate campaign in New Hampshire, even though her husband, Bill Shaheen, heads that state's Clinton campaign. The "slush fund" just did not measure up to claims of dark improprieties on the part of Obama, and the Clinton campaign did not pursue the issue after volleys were exchanged between the candidates.

The attack strategy has not affected Obama, and Clinton's aura of inevitability is fading. Not only has she fallen behind in Iowa, but polls show that primaries in New Hampshire and South Carolina are too close to call. Howard Dean was in a much stronger position in post-Iowa primaries in 2004 than Clinton is today when his third-place finish in Iowa was followed by his national collapse.

The phrase "slush fund" is a hoary part of American politics, dating to a $5 million appropriation in 1874 administered by the federal Treasury, according to "Safire's New Political Dictionary." In 1952, contributions to a slush fund for the use of vice presidential candidate Richard M. Nixon nearly forced him off the Republican ticket. When Hillary Clinton started slipping two weeks ago, her campaign responded by unlimbering the Obama slush fund. The fact that this bomb proved pretty much a dud raises doubt about the whispers of impropriety by this untried candidate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 02:54 PM

Anyone who knows Novac will instantly realise he thinks Obama would make an easer target for a Republican in the general election than Clinton would.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 03:17 PM

so...what are we supposed to make of all those innuendos and vague accusations, BB? Pieces of 'information' like that C&P are barely more than piling on dirt. I HATE reading 'suggestive' articles that have little substance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 07:39 PM

Clinton adviser out after Obama comment

By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer
44 minutes ago



CONCORD, N.H. - A top campaign adviser to Hillary Rodham Clinton resigned Thursday, a day after suggesting Democrats should be wary of nominating Barack Obama because his teenage drug use could make it hard for him to win the presidency.

Clinton herself apologized to Obama as they waited to fly to Iowa for a debate.

Obama's campaign sent out a fundraising letter contending that "this kind of attack is becoming a pattern as Clinton's support declines."

Bill Shaheen, a national co-chairman for Clinton and a prominent New Hampshire political figure, had raised the issue of Obama's youthful drug use during a Wednesday interview, published on washingtonpost.com.

"I made a mistake and in light of what happened, I have made the personal decision that I will step down as the co-chair of the Hillary for President campaign," Shaheen said in a statement released by the campaign Thursday. "This election is too important, and we must all get back to electing the best qualified candidate who has the record of making change happen in this country. That candidate is Hillary Clinton."

Shaheen, an attorney and veteran organizer, had said much of Obama's background is unknown and could be a problem in November 2008 if he is the Democratic nominee. He said Republicans would work hard to discover new aspects of Obama's admittedly spotty youth.

"It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" said Shaheen, whose wife, Jeanne, is a former New Hampshire governor and is running for the U.S. Senate next year.

"There are so many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome," Shaheen said.

Clinton personally apologized to Obama when they were on the tarmac at Washington's Reagan National Airport Thursday morning, preparing to fly to Des Moines for a debate, according to aides to both candidates.

"Having been on the receiving end of unfair attacks for years, she doesn't think this is what the campaign should be about," said Clinton spokesman Jay Carson. "She told him she wanted to win the presidency, but not through tactics like that."

Clinton's campaign said it had nothing to do with Shaheen's earlier comments.

However, Ned Helms, an Obama co-chairman in New Hampshire, said he saw a pattern after the recent resignations of two Clinton volunteer coordinators in Iowa who had forwarded e-mails raising questions about Obama's religion.

"When you see a pattern of people making statements and the follow-up statement, 'Oh, that wasn't authorized,' it doesn't take a genius to see that there's a thread going on here," Helms said.

And the Obama campaign sent a fundraising e-mail to supporters asking for donations to help fight such tactics.

"The only way to stop these kinds of tired, desperate attacks is to demonstrate very clearly that they have a real cost to Senator Clinton's campaign," campaign manager David Plouffe wrote. "Make no mistake — this kind of attack is becoming a pattern as Clinton's support declines."

Obama wrote about his teenage drug use in his memoir, "Dreams from My Father." His rivals have largely remained silent on the subject.

"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final fatal role of the young would-be black man," Obama wrote. Mostly he smoked marijuana and drank alcohol, he wrote, but occasionally he would snort cocaine when he could afford it.

New polling shows Clinton and Obama basically tied in New Hampshire. A CNN-WMUR-TV poll conducted by the University of New Hampshire shows Clinton at 31 percent support, Obama at 30. The same poll had Obama trailing by 20 points in September.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 10:45 PM

"...two Clinton volunteer coordinators in Iowa who had forwarded e-mails raising questions about Obama's religion."


                   That's where I'd go if I wanted to attack Obama. The Swift Boaters will start using his middle name every time they mention him in an ad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: mg
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 01:41 AM

If you are calling people Swift Boaters and using it in a bad way you are no better than other attackers. mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 09:37 AM

Well, mg, the Swift Boaters created a pretty scuzzy reputation for themselves as slandrers-for-hire who had low regard for the truth. Their tactics were so egregious that the term has become adopted in the national jargon of slang for such underhanded PR manuvers.

Maybe, therefore, they are inheriting the wind as they sowed, so to speak.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 06:26 PM

Maybe we could call them the Swift-Boat-Swindlers or something, so we don't get them mixed up with folks who were just trying to perform their duty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 06:46 PM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 09:06 PM

If there isn't another side to this argument, then I will cite the earlier reference to political actuaries trying to nominate someone they knew even George W. Bush could beat. They had their game plan laid out before the Democratic primary in Iowa.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 11:13 PM

Rig--

"took Howard Dean out of contention". Again you prove your amazing grasp of political realities.

Howard Dean would have been a total disaster. The Bush "team" was salivating at the prospect of the good old tried- and- true smear campaign against Dean--"soft on natioanal security".

It took quite some doing to paint a Vietnam hero as soft on national security. Harder to do it with Howard Dean?--what are you smoking?

Please enlighten us as to why Dean would have been seen as stronger on national security than Kerry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 11:14 PM

"national"


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Dec 07 - 11:47 PM

Ron - Howard Dean was an alternative to George W. Bush. Kerry was Bush light. The voters had no choice and that's exactly what the power brokers wanted. They would win with Ketchup, or they would win with oil.

                They would lose with compassion and having an honest man in the White House, so they did what they had to do to win.

                Ron - Now that Rupert Murdoch has taken over the Wall Street Journal, do yourself a favor and quit reading it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 03:23 AM

I share your alarm over the general blurring of separation of church and state at high levels. I don't know if Obama has issued a statement on that, but from what I know from his speeches and writings on a myriad of issues, my gut feeling is that his religion informs him on a very personal level, but the constitution and bill of rights inform him on a governmental level and come first. I'd like to hear all the candidates speak on this issue, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 07:42 AM

For a number of Republicans, Huckabee for instance, lack of separation is a very good thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 02:26 PM

Rig--

As usual, you've not answered the question. It's obvious to any politically aware person that in 2004, the #1 topic was national security--esp the "war on terror".

So please tell us exactly why Dean would be seen as stronger on national security than a
Vietnam war hero.

Be specific please. A transparently false and facile remark about "Bush lite" doesn't cut it.

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 04:36 PM

Ron - With Kerry on board we had a race between oil and ketchup. It was obviously a fix, or the Bush campaign would have hit upon the idea of talking about the 57 varieties of John Kerry. They didn't, so we know there was something up with that.

                Dean, on the other hand, offered a change from buffoonery.

                Kerry thought he could promote himself as a war hero, but he walked into the onslaught of the swift-boaters. It was like they saw it coming--they knew where Kerry was going before Kerry did. The race was only about national security because Kerry's people made it about national security, and then didn't even write any ads about George Bush being AWOL from the air national guard.

                Frankly, I don't see any way Dean could have done worse, and I think he would have done better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 04:52 PM

Kerry was not in any way Bush Light.   Look at their track records during the Vietnam war.


Anyway, Obama has something that none of the Bush and Clinton eras had enough of, which is personal intelligence combined with character. Bill was smart as all get out, but he was (I think) opportunistic. And I think his wife is more so.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 05:25 PM

Well, I believe that Howard Dean not onlyscared the crap outta the Repubs but also the media, which was primed to jump on him.... And jump they did for what??? Oh yeah... ***The Scream*** Anyone heard George Bush when he gets fired up... He makes Howard Dean sound a mute...

Yeah, Howard Dean was, xcontray to the Repubs sayin' they wanted him, an outsider... It seems that outsiders do well in presidental elections...

Jimmy Carter was an outsider..

Ronald Reagan was an ousider...

Bush I was an insider...

Clinton was an outsider...

Bush II was an outsider...

So that makes 4 out of the last 5 presidents outsiders!?!?!?...

The two folks running well in Iowa, Obama and Hucklebee are outsiders...

Yeah, make no bones about it, the Repubs didn't want any part of Dean... They knew what to expect from Kerry which, with the help of the Sift Boaters, is about what they got...

Outsiders are like left handed fighters... Ya never know quite what to do with them because if you jump on them too hard you get branded a Washington Insider bully and if you don't jump on them hard enough they get the attention of the voters...

Just MO, of course...

Obama/Richardson in '08 and I'll not work for the Green Party and will work for the Dems... Yuck!!!

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 05:29 PM

...ahhhhhh, or Obama/Webb...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 06:24 PM

Bobert - I see it pretty much the way you do. The establishment didn't want Dean on the ticket. They knew they could handle either Bush or Kerry. The didn't want Dean because he might actually spend money to do something good for the people.


                   I think I'll stick with the Greens, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Dec 07 - 07:13 PM

Yeah, Rigs... I understand what you are sayin'... I supported, voted for and campaigned for the Green Party forever and it's real tough for me to work with the Dems...

But if Obama gets the nod, I'm gonna work for him... No, he ain't quite Green Party material but he'd be the best president since Jimmy Carter whi, IMO, was the last man of morals to hold the office...

Yeah, the establishment "Deaned" Jimmy Carter because he was so anti-establishment and I fully expect the establishmne tot try to "Dean" Obama but Obama is a young man with more than a few tricks of his own... He'll be fine...

If ya' change yer mind, Rigs, then come on in...The water is just right... If not, of all the folks here, I'll fully understand...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 01:59 AM

"But it just may be possible that the single biggest boost to the Obama campaign is not white liberal self-congratulation or the Clinton campÕs self-immolation, but the collective nastiness of the Republican field. Just when you think the tone canÕt get any uglier, it does. Last week Mike Huckabee, who only recently stood out for his kind words about illegal immigrants, accepted an endorsement from a founder of the Minutemen, whose approach to stopping the Òillegal alien invasionÓ has been embraced by white supremacists and who have been condemned as ÒvigilantesÓ by President Bush.

For those Americans looking for the most unambiguous way to repudiate politicians who are trying to divide the country by faith, ethnicity, sexuality and race, Mr. Obama is nothing if not the most direct shot. After hearing someone like Mitt Romney preach his narrow, exclusionist idea of ÒFaith in America,Ó some Americans may simply see a vote for Mr. Obama as a vote for faith in America itself."


NY Times


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 10:51 AM

How do you make them funny "O' things, Amos???


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 12:09 PM

I don't know what funny O things you mean, Bobez. The last post I made looks perfectly normal on my screen. If you need to make accented characters, see the on-line HTML guide or the table on this page for how to compose accented characters.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 12:29 PM

What's HTML???

And I could go with Obama/Amos, also...


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 05:46 PM

So now Bob Kerrey is out doing the dirty work for Hillary. In a very nice way, he mentioned that Obama's father is Muslim, that his middle name is Hussein, and that his paternal grandmother is Muslim as well.

                Then they let that information swirl around in the press for a day or so, and then they mention the entire thing all over again while generating an apology. So all the information is in the news again for another 48 hours or so.

                All of this was done in the form of a compliment.

                But if Obama ends up with the nomination, people like Ruch Limbaugh and Sean Hannity won't cloak it as a compliment. It will be "Swift Boat II" all over again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 06:00 PM

Oh, yeah, Rigs... The Clinton's are pros when it comes to dirty politics... They didn't call him Slick Willie fir nuthin'...

But I will go on record here, if I haven't said it strongly enough... I wouldn't vote for a Clinton for dog catcher tho seems Bill is purdy good at catchin' 'um...

Okay, maybe Chelsea Clinton for dog catcher...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Dec 07 - 07:56 PM

Hey!

Don't knock Chelsea- She has not (yet) been caught lying to us...


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 02:30 PM

1 in 10 peple polled believe he is muslim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 03:28 PM

It's absolutely amazing how stupid people can be!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 03:54 PM

Well, they're tuned to hate, and there are poeple whose specialty is broadcasting just that frequency, so it gets spread around. Listen to Scarecrows Coulter or Shane and Blame Hannity or Rush "Limp"baugh.   Look how many Americans believed Saddam had something to do woth the WTC attacks.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 05:23 PM

Heck, Amos, there are still a sad percentage of Americans who still believ that Saddam was in on 9/11... Hard to unlearn propanda when is it pounded into you...

Yeah, it's sad...

That's why I believ that every should be able to vote but not all votes should be counted... Yeah, there should be a short quiz on one's knowledge of the government and current events that everyone should have to pass in order for their votes to be counted...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Dec 07 - 05:48 PM

Didn't they used to do something luike that in some parts of the States as a way of stopping black people voting? Pick the right questions...


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 12:39 PM

"Barack Obama has won the Iowa caucuses. You'd have to have a heart of stone not to feel moved by this. An African-American man wins a closely fought campaign in a pivotal state. He beats two strong opponents, including the mighty Clinton machine. He does it in a system that favors rural voters. He does it by getting young voters to come out to the caucuses.

This is a huge moment. It's one of those times when a movement that seemed ethereal and idealistic became a reality and took on political substance.

Iowa won't settle the race, but the rest of the primary season is going to be colored by the glow of this result. Whatever their political affiliations, Americans are going to feel good about the Obama victory, which is a story of youth, possibility and unity through diversity — the primordial themes of the American experience.

And Americans are not going to want to see this stopped. When an African-American man is leading a juggernaut to the White House, do you want to be the one to stand up and say No?

Obama has achieved something remarkable. At first blush, his speeches are abstract, secular sermons of personal uplift — filled with disquisitions on the nature of hope and the contours of change.

He talks about erasing old categories like red and blue (and implicitly, black and white) and replacing them with new categories, of which the most important are new and old. He seems at first more preoccupied with changing thinking than changing legislation.

Yet over the course of his speeches and over the course of this campaign, he has persuaded many Iowans that there is substance here as well. He built a great organization and produced a tangible victory.

He's made Hillary Clinton, with her wonkish, pragmatic approach to politics, seem uninspired. He's made John Edwards, with his angry cries that "corporate greed is killing your children's future," seem old-fashioned. Edwards's political career is probably over.

Obama is changing the tone of American liberalism, and maybe American politics, too. "

By DAVID BROOKS, New York Times columnist
Published: January 4, 2008


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:04 PM

I agree with Brooks. I believe that we are at a historic moment in the history of the USA. We are finally seeing the fruits of the epic struggles of the 20th century that dealt with equality on all fronts. This country, for all the great things it managed to accomplish (in spite of its flaws and misteps), still struggled with bigotry that effectively robbed it of over half of its talent and braintrust. But it appears that we have two generations that have had enough. Color and gender, for these generations, mean very little. We have a man of color who is being spoken of in glowing terms, and who is exciting the country. We have a woman who is still the odds on favorite nationally and is a very serious candidate. We have a Trial Attorney who is an unabashed foe of the monied interests that have attempted to corral the money in ever smaller circles, and he is viable. This election, so long as we do not allow it to be hijacked by shysters, could be the touchstone that saved the American middle class. We shall see.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:09 PM

Big Mick, you have touched on something that has begun to concern me. The three Dems with a real chance at the nomination are a woman, a black man and a trial lawyer. Seems like fodder for the Republican hit machine. They would have to go after the woman and the black man obliquely but they could hit the lawyer head on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:13 PM

Actually, on paper Chris Dodd was probably the most qualified Democrat out there, and he didn't get any support at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:17 PM

He had 10 out of 250 at my precinct but you needed 38 to qualify for a delegate to the county convention so those 10 switched to other candidates. As a result he showed as a zero. Caucuses are a little different.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:32 PM

Yeah, KB, that is absolutely a worry. But I think this young generation really wants to believe and take action. Tie that up with the baby boomers that are aching for change, and it may very well be that we are on the verge of something. When I look at the way it is trending, damn.... we just might make it. But we have scary moments ahead. I said it before... this is going to be a mighty interesting political year.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:44 PM

The positive is that negative campaining doesn't seem to have worked here this time around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:51 PM

I see something rather Kennedy-like about Obama too, and you're right, Mick, that the resemblance is more like Bobby Kennedy. There's something very refreshing about the man. I really like the fact that he's not pandering all the time to various cliched racial stereotypes to manipulate the process...as is so commonly done in the USA. He does not play the race card. He could be an intelligent, articulate person of absolutely ANY racial background, going by his manner and delivery, thus he transcends the usual stereotypes people have come to expect. What a relief!

In terms of actual policies, I favor Dennis Kucinich over the other Democratic candidates. However, I know what chance a man with Kucinich's clearly stated positions on foreign and domestic policy has of ever becoming president...

Obama, on the other hand, well, he does have an entirely good chance of winning, and I do like his policies pretty well too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 01:58 PM

I think he has a good chance of winning the nomination, but in a general election, imagine what the 527 groups, and windbags like Rush Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Reilly will do to him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: PoppaGator
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 02:18 PM

David Brooks:

He's made John Edwards, with his angry cries that "corporate greed is killing your children's future," seem old-fashioned. Edwards's political career is probably over.

Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of Mr. Brooks.

I really like Obama, but I like Edwards too.

For those hidebound conservatives, neo- and otherwise, who love to throw accusations of "class warfare" at folks like John Edwards who stand up against the richest who keep getting richer while the other 90+% of us get poorer, all I can say is this:

You sonsabiches started class warfare and have been waging it against most of your fellow Americans for as long as anyone can remember. You've been far too successful in recent years, and it's about time your reign came to an end. You won't lose your considerable economic power, but you need to lose your monopoly on political power. Government of, by, and for the people needs to act as a check upon your inhuman economic juggernaught.

As far as I'm concerned, unrestrained corporate greed IS killing the future, not only for the children of American citizens, but for all living things on earth.

I'm not saying that widespread global corporate action is evil in and of itself. It's the only way that solar electricity and other green technologies will ever be implemented on an effective scale, and will probably act as agent for other positive changes in the future, as well. (Example: We'll get universal health care when the multinationals decide they can no longer foot the bill for employee health benefits in the US, and decide to pass the burden to government. No sooner, no later.)

Big biz is not going to disappear, nor does anyone want it to. We simply need to realize that business interests are not always in the public interest, and that representative government needs to periodically confront "market forces," not always to bow before them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 02:24 PM

The whole question is whether he can keep his shields up when the Malignant Dork Rays hit. I hope Scotty has enough power, Cap'n.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 02:29 PM

Poppa:

Passionately put, compadre. Hear, hear.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 02:42 PM

Couldn't agree with you more, PoppaGator.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 03:18 PM

"I'm not saying that widespread global corporate action is evil in and of itself."


                         I'll go out on a limb and suggest that it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 03:28 PM

Perhaps. It certainly facilitates evil on a highly organized basis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: PoppaGator
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 03:56 PM

Quote within quote:

"I'm not saying that widespread global corporate action is evil in and of itself."

I'll go out on a limb and suggest that it is.

I dunno; to declare oneself to be "against" globalization or multinational corporations or whatever seems to me to be akin to being "against" the weather. It's a fact of life in the world as we know it at this stage of human evolution, and is probably the only possible agent of quick and widepread change of any kind, both for better and for worse.

The problem lies in finding ways for thinking human beings to counterbalance, if not control, corporate action, which has a "mind" of its own, metaphorically speaking. The logic by which wealth finds ways to perpetuate itself can be powerful, and often flies directly in the face of human motives and desires.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 03:58 PM

I think some actions by global corporations can readily be deemed harmful; others, perhaps not. If WalMart produces employment for 10,000 CHinese families by placing orders for tee-shirts and sneakers, that is good for them, mostly. If in doing so, they encourage primitive manufacturing with an inordinate ding to the environmental balance, that aspect of it is harmful. It could be argued that by leaving all their sites across the U.S. in the hands of small stores covering vertical niches (mom and pop hardware, sporting goods, audio-video stores) they would do more good by not existing at all. It's an interesting question to what degree largeness of scale is inherently harmful to the overall system, a question that deserves some hard research and analysis.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 05:16 PM

Well, in a way, Obama is the least vulnerable to the Republican attack dogs because about the only thing they have on him is that he is black...

They have allready set up the playing field against Edwards' The Lawyer" and Clinton "The Hillary' and if they try to set up Obama "The Black" it can backfire on them big time...

The Repubs don't want to run against Obama... Especially if he were to have Bill Richardson as his running mate...

The would be a perfect storm for the Dems to crush the Repubs...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:14 PM

I was struck by Obama's speech after his Iowa win. My god, how long has it been since we've had a true orator contending for the Presidency? At least since John and Bobby Kennedy. Reagan had the gift of gab, but his speeches reeked of the grandiose sentiments that his speechwriters put in his mouth. Obama is a writer, and I feel sure that the speech he gave last night was his own.

Yes, watching Barak on the dais, Bobby came to mind...the hope, sincerity, and directness that inspired so many of us when we were young and the future seemed ripe with good possibility. Watching Obama, it was nearly impossible not to acknowledge those same dreams stirring again. Those same dreams, yes, and those same fears.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:36 PM

"Well, in a way, Obama is the least vulnerable to the Republican attack dogs because about the only thing they have on him is that he is black..."


                      Remember who will be doing the attacking. It won't be the other candidate; it will be the 527 groups, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Glenn Beck, Medved, and on and on...

                      How many times are we going to here that he has ties to Islam in his past, that his middle name is Hussein, that he had a weird land sale in Chicago...


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:37 PM

"...that the resemblance is more like Bobby Kennedy."

Frighteningly so. That speech in Iowa after the result - it was so like Bobbie in California minutes before he was killed. And you know there are people out there in America whose dearest wish would be to kill the man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 06:41 PM

I was thinkin' the exact thing, Lonesome... And then, of course, the other memories crept in...

Scarey times... The same people who needed RFK and MLK to go away are still around... Or their kids are...

God, I hope I am wrong but history does repeat itself...

Boss Hog hates the Obama's of the world because he does give people "hope" and hopefull people are more inclined to participate in democracy and that is Boss Hog's largest nightmare becaaue when people start participating they get too close to where Boss Hog has buried the bodies...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 07:46 PM

This is the beginning of the American Reformation.

Let us pray.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 08:02 PM

Poppagator...... I think I love you.

I do fear for Obama. He is a change agent. One thing I have learned is that challenging monied interests, in the hope of change, can be dangerous. Trust me on this one.

And Amos ...... one of my very favorite agnostic, atheist, folks...... mind if I pray with you?

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 08:08 PM

Yeah, Amos, pray that the sumabichs don't order up another assasination...

That is my prayer...

The movement got set back 4 decades the last time Boss Hog ordered up some killin's...

Man, I hope I am wrong but I am so concerned...

Obama is Boss Hog's worst nightmare...

No, it isn't as much his policy postion but his ability to close the divide... To end the partisanship... Boss Hog lives for partisanship becuase it keep folk at each other's throats and off him...

Obame did this as Illinois state house... He has the ability to bring folks together and that is so foriegn to the game plan that Boss Hog has used successfully for 4 decades that it, in itself, will keep Boss Hog up at night...

Those are my fears...

I was working in the Kennedy campaign in '68... I will never forget...

The Stones were wrong...

"Who killed the Kennedy's
it was you and me..."

No, it wasn't...

Those are my fears...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 09:47 PM

The Stones were wrong about a lot of stuff like that, Bobert, but they were just trying to be "bad boys" and say outrageous-sounding stuff. The same went for the Who. Whatever they had to offer philosophically was pretty lightweight, and usually pretty dumb in retrospect.

It was Dylan who offered the stuff that had weight.

The Who, though, did say one thing that was very accurate:

"Meet the New Boss....Same as the Old Boss!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 10:51 PM

Rig--

Obama's middle name is Hussein.   This will only make a difference to those who wouldn't vote for him anyway--you perhaps? Just how dense do you think the electorate is? Nobody on the fence will be swayed by such trivia.

Independents, many of whom already lean toward Obama---and they will probably make the difference--will have unlimited opportunity to hear what he says--and are not likely to be influenced by schlockmeisters of the type you cite.

And your "ties to Islam in his past" smear will also only be cited by Limbaugh and other such sterling sources of fact. And the source will also be noted.

Difference between the Kerry and Obama situations is that Kerry--30 years later--still had to contend with the bitterness of those who felt we only lost Vietnam by leaving.

There is no comparable source of bitterness with Obama. And race also will not be the determining factor--even in the South.

Even sour cynics such as your good self will have to come to terms with the fact that Obama is a goodhearted man--who is also smart as a whip-- and who has managed to come to the fore at exactly the right time. He happens to be black. That is not a make-or-break factor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 11:16 PM

Well said, Ron!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 11:21 PM

Yes, very well said, Ron. And personally, I'd rather have a man with 'Islamic ties' than an extreme right wing 'Christian' fundie. Or a fundie of any stripe....fundamentalists scare me. Big Time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 11:21 PM

Thanks, LEJ.   It's just that after a while I get tired of a steady diet of cynicism. And some people don't realize there's a difference between realism and cynicism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 11:27 PM

The thing that gets me is that "Islamic ties" is just about the perfect smear--it leaves all the nebulous horrific details to the imagination.

But anybody who actually did any research would find there's actually nothing to the allegation.

If Rig--or anybody else--disagrees, let's have the facts--with source, of course.

Now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Jan 08 - 11:29 PM

And thanks, Sorcha. I'd agree it's better to deal with smears earlier than later.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 06:57 AM

Welll, it's a very stupid ill-informed smear, and one which has been thoroughly discredited in its negative sense.

But give the percentage of Muslims in the world, I'd be surprised if any of us have no Muslim ties at all. I know several Muslims personally, and find them very bright and rational people, moderate and hard-working.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 07:40 AM

Just a few thoughts:

Mudcat is a site for folkies. Anybody ever heard "Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall"? This is more and more apt.   I would think people here, some of whom seem to worship the author of that line, would actually read it once in a while.

It's time to ditch the stupid cynicism that assumes that since money is involved in campaigning, the candidate is in the pocket of big money. Money is involved in campaigning--has been for centuries. Get over it.

New Hampshire: Obama could benefit, as McCain did in 2000, from a NH factor: in NH, you can vote in a primary even if you are not registered in either party. Over 40% of NH voters are in fact not registered with a party.

Obama attended local schools in Indonesia--they were not madrassas--from age 6 to 10. Classes were taught in Indonesian, which he can still speak a bit.   His father is Moslem, I understand. He himself is Christian. This is the sum total of his "Islamic ties".


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 07:43 AM

I'd have thought that most of the people who'd be voting against Obama because of his colour would be liable to be voting the other way in any case.

From what I've read about the Iowan caucuses there are indications that there could significant numbers of past Republican voters who would in fact be likely to vote for Obama largely for anti-racist reasons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 10:59 AM

I would LOVE to see Obama wedge the clammy Repub front into sections and suck up the benefit to swell his vote. Such a development would be most gratifying, and like the Iowa turnout, would stump the pundits, who need a little reality-slap once in a while to keep them tame...


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 11:41 AM

Ron - I wasn't giving you my views, I was merely anticipating what the bitter-right will do. But if he gets the nomination, we'll see.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 11:44 AM

Considering the common origin of the Christian and Muslim religions, it is one of history's great ironies that they have been locked in combat on so many occasions...but the irony is lost on those prepared to fight over such competitive matters, I guess.

Mind you, all forms of hierarchichal human strife are ironic. In the extreme. They fly in the face of common sense and moral decency.

That some people would sieze on a trivial matter like Mr Obama having the middle name "Hussein" and try to use it to smear him is just pathetic. That others would listen to such a smear and give it any credence is even more pathetic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 12:08 PM

LH - I've heard Sean Hannity go after people on much thinner conditions than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 12:25 PM

I wouldn't doubt it. Such people are simply utterly unscrupulous. Their intent is to destroy their targets, by any means possible.

There are people like that on this forum too, and they aren't worth talking to about certain matters, because of it. They operate on sheer malice, and the lust to destroy whenever a subject that stirs their hatred comes up. It is that which sometimes poisons the dialogue on certain threads here to the point where one is best advised to just never open them again on any excuse.

You can't talk usefully to someone whose basic impulse is to destroy you in any way he can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 12:26 PM

"Senator ObamaÕs victory speech was a concise oratorical gem. No candidate in either party can move an audience like he can. He characterized his stunning victory as an affirmation of Òthe most American of ideas Ñ that in the face of impossible odds, people who love this country can change it.Ó

Mr. Obama has shown, in one appearance after another, a capacity to make people feel good about their country again. His supporters want desperately to turn the page on the bitter politics and serial disasters of the past 20 years. That they have gravitated to a black candidate to carry out this task is Ñ to use a term I heard for the first time this week Ñ monumentous."


New York Times
The Obama Phenomenon


By BOB HERBERT


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 12:37 PM

That sums it up very well. That is the overall effect of Obama's approach.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 12:53 PM

"...Some powerful political currents were on display in Iowa, starting with a yearning for change and inspirational leadership among Democrats. Senator Barack Obama positively soaked it up, growing steadily more confident and powerful in his oratory. Senator Hillary ClintonÕs events were more like required-attendance lectures than rallying points for a political movement.

Republicans, too, talked about change, but mostly it was changing their association with President Bush. His name was hardly mentioned in Iowa, except by a dozen or so Republicans at a caucus we attended who explained why they had turned out for Mr. Obama."

NY Times editorial, January 5, 2008


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 01:26 PM

When Clinton plays the "experience card" that must run up against the problem that this experience includes her voting for the invasion of Iraq and screwing up on health reform, and reminds people, however unfairly at times, of the experience of having Bill fooling around and lying, and of interminable allegations about land-deals and all that.

All the stuff she'd rather they didn't focus on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 02:25 PM

Then there's this from the CNN news blog:

   December 4, 2007 4:34 pm ET

Obama can't win in the electoral college. Someone name the "purple states" that he's going to persuade. Iowa? Ohio? Pennsylvania? Florida? Are you kidding me- he won't win in any of those states. A vote for Obama is just another way to help the Republicans keep the White House. Because of the electoral college we have George Bush instead of Al Gore. Keep it up Obama supporters the Republican party is rooting for you!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 02:29 PM

Then the electoral college must go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 02:32 PM

Rig--

There you go again. Hope people read what you wrote carefully. You quoted from a news blog--not CNN itself.

On a news blog anybody, regardless of credentials, can comment. It's like Mudcat--but news, not music, is its official focus.

Therefore your quote is essentially meaningless--just some poster opposing Obama--with no evidence to back up his or her contention.

You're pretty slick, though--nice try.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 02:40 PM

I just posted this link on the Dennis Kucinich thread, but it is particularly relevant here.

NOW with David Brancaccio last night was on "Dirty Politics." Most interesting! You can watch it HERE

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 02:57 PM

Ron - you continue to want to go after the messenger. I really was looking for a quote from a program I heard on NPR that talked about Republicans registering for the Democratic Caucus so they could vote for Obama because they thought he'd be easier to defeat in the general election than either Clinton or Edwards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 03:03 PM

Rig--

Even if some Republicans think that, it should be apparent pretty soon that their calculations are too clever by half----the country, including many Republicans, and, more significantly, far more independents, really is looking for a "uniter, not a divider"--and has found the real thing in Obama.

Even you will eventually have to lose your cynicism. ( Yeah, I know---the day after hell freezes over)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 03:12 PM

Thanks for the link to that excellent video on dirty election tactics, Ron.

By the way, I think you do have somewhat of a tendency to go after "the messenger" as Rinslinger suggests, in that you launch overly personalized attacks....having been gone after by you myself a few times when we either disagreed or you thought we disagreed about something. ;-) I'm not holding any grudges about it, though.

We actually have very similar hopes, you and I, as regards the ongoing political processes in America.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 03:40 PM

It's not "going after the messenger" to require actual evidence and sources--especially for the smears and unsubstantiated theories Rig seems to specialize in.

All people have to do is learn to give sources and evidence up front. Otherwise they are just spreading rumors--and I will point this out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 03:52 PM

Fair enough.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 04:23 PM

LH--

I'll have to say you shouldn't thank me for the link to the video--I think that was Don.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 04:36 PM

Don, Ron, alla same meee, ey?


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 04:40 PM

Ron - I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if Obama gets the nomination I will vote for him. I'd just have to see the Democrats opt for another shoot-youself-in-the-foot candidate like they are so prone to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 05:09 PM

Don - The Brancaccio video was great. I live in the Pacific Northwest and our TV signal was off last night so I missed the show.

                            Thanks, again!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 06:40 PM

I have been getting Don Firth and Ron Davies mixed up for so long here (partly due to their very similar tone and approach in political discussion threads) that when I think of either one of them, I see the same face in my mind!!! I see an older guy, medium build, fairly tall, fair skin, with a wispy, greying beard and mustache, going a bit bald on top...glasses...rather studious in appearance...wearing a turle-neck sweater and jeans.

I kid you not! ;-) Whether my inner vision is anything in accord with the reality of either Don Firth or Ron Davies, I do not know.

Perhaps I should look up their photos in the memberphotos and find out?

Naw....too easy....


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 07:56 PM

Well, folks, you heard it here first...

Obama can win and will win if:

1. The Swiftboaters can't come up with bunch of somewhat believable lies to smear him, which I doubt they can...

2. He stay6s in the positive campaign mode and...

3.... he picks Bill Richardson as a running mate, who will bring both New Mexico and Arizona into the Dems electorial college column... The Dems can hold what they had in '04 and those two states, plus the very real possibility of a John Warner for Senate run might bring Virginia into Obama's electorial column as well, would insure his election...

BTW, not to be dropping names but looks as if this ol' hillbilly will be having lunch with John Warner this Thursday and will be sure to let him know that the two of them will need each other in November...

B~


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 08:04 PM

Do that, Bobert, and mention this to him also: William Shatner is available as a nonpartisan political advisor...for a fee. His wisdom and influence is inestimable, he has his finger on the pulse of our times, and those seeking public office who would pass up the opportunity to avail themselves of his unique strategic aid when it is offered would have to be mad.

Don't forget, now!

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Amos
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 08:45 PM

Tell him as well that I would consider representing the nation to the Dominican Republic, or even better to the Republic of Cuba as soon as that position becomes available...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular Views on Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 08:55 PM

Not to worry, LH and Amos...

I was kinda thinkin' of you, Amos, as a good Secretary of State and as fir you, LH...

...Ahhhh, Secretary of Rocks...

Hey, ya' gotta start somewhere???

Heck, I just want Warner to fully understand that he has in his power not only getting elected to the Senate but bringin' Obama along on his coat-tails into Penn. Ave...

Things are lookin' more an' more like I know what I'm gonna be doin' this year...

(Geeze???...)

B~


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