BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 12:13 PM

Iraqis can now have tattoos. This is a giant leap for freedom.

The #1 tattoo is not Mom, but rather 'death to America'

...you never know when your feelings about Mom might change.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: jacqui.c
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:26 AM

Definitely Dave. I don't think that, in a lot of these cases, it is the cultural group that is to blame. All too often it is the PC idiots on the local council or wherever else that see insult on behalf of the culture. IMHO, those are probably some of the worst of the racists in a lot of ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:19 AM

Damn gutter press again...

Porcelain pigs question etc. Keep cropping up. Lets use that as an example. Look at Birmingham City Councils own update on the situation.

"Q-News (01.06.98) reports that the Sun, the main national newspaper reporting on the case of the woman in Leicester whose pig ornaments were confiscated by police as being evidence of a possible breach of public order (see BMMS for May 1998), omitted to mention certain salient details. These were that there had been a history of feuding between Ms Bennett, the owner of the china ornaments, and local Muslims; that the display in the window was calculated to give offence and did not consist merely of the ornaments; and that the dispute between neighbours stemmed from Ms Bennett's hostility to the patrols of vigilantes who were attempting to keep street-walking prostitutes out of the area. Manzoor Moghul of the Federation of Muslim Organisations, speaking about the way in which the Sun handled the issue, said: "These people are mischief makers, out and out racists. What they've done is picked up a story from somebody and taken bits of it to say that an innocent woman is being persecuted by militant Muslims. It is terrible the way they've done it. If there was no case the police wouldn't have taken the action that they have". A letter in the Walsall Express & Star (23.06.98), from a respondent who, from his name appears not to be Muslim, points out that: "The reason the Leicester police acted was that the lady had placed one of her pigs prominently on a verse (in Arabic) of the Koran and placed a paper topi on a cut out of a pig's head in her window. Most people would see this as deliberately provocative. Should we perhaps enquire more fully before criticising the Muslim community…"

Maybe some things should be banned. Gutter journalism for instance?

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Songster Bob
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:03 AM

"...so we end up with ass holes for leaders."

Well, you know why that is, don't you? It seems the body parts had a discussion about who should be the boss. The muscular system said, "I'm the one who actually DOES things -- I move us about, protect us, and generally just GET THE JOB DONE. I should be the boss."

The eyes said, "Oh, no! Without vision, without knowing where you're going, those muscles and bones and all just don't work very well, do they? Remember the other night, when you bumped our head? You need me, and I am ready to show us the way. I am the boss."

The brain pipe up with "HAH! Who do you think is maintaining this conversation in the first place? MY system of nerves sends those signals from the eyes to the muscles, AND sends that pain signal from the bump on the head the other night to all of us, PLUS I do all the converting of electro-chemical signals into coherent thought, AND I do all the planning! Without me, you wouldn't even be able to ask, 'What's for dinner?' I AM THE BOSS. NOW SHUT UP AND LET ME THINK!"

Meanwhile, the asshole just shut down, refusing to do his job. Within three days, the muscles were weak and watery, the eyes were blurred and crossed, and the brain was trying to remember where he put his towel. So all the parts agreed to let the asshole be the boss.

And it's been that way ever since.


Songbob

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: jacqui.c
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:29 AM

Exactly Gurney - respect goes both ways, in my book. Anyone planning to visit or live in another country needs to make sure that they understand the culture and rules of that country sufficient to avoid causing problems for themselves and others.

If the culture and rules of a country not your own offend then you have the choice of not staying or adjusting. It should not be necessary for the locals to have to adjust to you, whatever your culture or religion. On another thread it has been said that some Muslims refuse to scan pork items when working as cashiers in stores. IMO that is not acceptable. If they want the jobs they should do the work, otherwise, find an occupation that will not bring them into contact with items they consider unclean.

I also feel that way about pharmacists who refuse to dispense the Pill as it goes against their own beliefs. Fine for them to hold those beliefs but, again IMO, they are not entitled to force their beliefs on others. If you can't do the whole job then don't do the job at all.

Too many people in positions of authority seem to bend over backwards to accomodate other cultures whilst totally ignoring the indigenous culture, whatever that may be. Much as I hate them I can see why parties like the BNP seem to be on the up. There needs to be a turn around in the atitudes of those responsible for this pussyfooting before there is a danger of a backlash from the silent majority.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Gurney
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 12:53 AM

JacquiC at 8:54, couldn't agree more.

What irritates me is the immigrants who want to bring their religious prejudices into another country.

I don't care where you go to church, or when, but I do object when an inflexible bigot tries to get things changed to comply with their own lunacy/dogma. And it is all dogma.

When a collection of pottery pigs is confiscated by the Leicester Police because Muslims object to their presence, when Australian sheilas are verballed and raped because they wear short skirts in Melbourne, when bellringing is barred by Councils in case it upsets someone, when a TV advert for a butchery is pulled because the butchers are dancing in unison and ringing bells (without saffron robes) but a tea advert with a cassocked CofE vicar doing somersaults in church isn't....

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Mickey191
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 10:24 PM

Leno's bias shows thru almost every night. He's still ripping Bill Clinton. He's said a few really terrible things about HRC. If he didn't have the Tonight Show--he'd be writing for GWB in some capacity. Or teaching how to do a comic delivery & which door to open. Just my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST,American
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 09:40 PM

David Letterman and Jay Leno are exempted from some speech laws. For example, the the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 prohibits corporations, trade associations, and labor organizations from paying for "electioneering communication" (any broadcast, cable or satellite communication referring to a clearly identified federal candidate and targeted to the candidate's state or district, sixty days before a general election and thirty days before a primary election).

Leno and Letterman work for corporations and get away with contributing air time (has been ruled "money") to commenting on candidates in violation of this act, but they're allowed to do so because it reinforces the fallacy that Americans still have "freedom of speech" when it comes to elections.

As with all laws, the Hate Crimes legislation will be selectively enforced, but never in favor of you or me. You'll see the Lettermans and Lenos skirting the bounds of what's legal and getting away with it, but the same type of speech will land you and me in jail.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 07:07 PM

The Taliban is alive and well in Pakistan and their regressive views are backed by Islamic courts. These shitheads demand that women be little better than slaves and dress in these gunny-sacks. It is a travisty that we struggle to clear Afghanistan of this crap while Pakistan (a supposed ally of ours) turns a blind eye to these religious terrorists in their midst. As long as education there is controlled by the clerics nothing will change.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Mickey191
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 04:33 PM

From Guest American:So if a hate crimes law is passed and signed into law, it will mean that any negative comment about our own country is a hate crime. We will no longer be able to object to government, even on this forum.
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I can't believe this will be passed-If it is-David Letterman will be in the slammer. I'm rethinking this--everynight Dave shows our president in all his glory making a jerk out of himself. Dave only laughs. Can you send a person to jail for just laughing?
There won't be enough jails.

The segment is called "Great Moments in Presidential History." We see FDR's great "Fear Itself" speech, then JFK's "Ask not what..." Then we see GWB's latest blunder. It's quite embarrassing. BUT FUNNY.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 03:48 PM

jacqui c - I think you missed the point. I was attempting to say that all countries have cultural taboos, including the Vatican, which is a type of theocracy of its own.   

But just so you know, I had no tour guide and my wardrobe was limited to one dress which was just barely above my knees. I chose the dress because I thought jeans would be disrespectful.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST,Iran Bans Western style haircuts.
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 02:15 PM

MSN NEWS
Reuters:
Report: Iran bans Western-style hair cuts
Police also warning barbers against plucking male customers' eyebrows

TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian police have warned barbers against offering Western-style hair cuts or plucking the eyebrows of their male customers, Iranian media said on Sunday.

The report by a reformist daily, later confirmed by an Iranian news agency, appeared to be another sign of the authorities cracking down on clothing and other fashion deemed to be against Islamic values.
"Western hair styles ... have been banned," the newspaper Etemad said in a frontpage headline.

It came a week after police launched a crackdown against the growing numbers of young women testing the limits of the law with shorter, brighter and skimpier clothing ahead of the summer months. Under Iran's Islamic Sharia law, imposed after the 1979 revolution, women are obliged to cover their hair and wear long, loose-fitting clothes to disguise their figures.

Violators can receive lashes, fines and imprisonment.

The student news agency ISNA quoted a police statement as saying: "In an official order to barber shops, they have been warned to avoid using Western hair styles and doing men's eyebrows."

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 02:15 PM

dianavan

The big movement here is the well financed push by Evangelicals to pass state laws to censure and fire any college professor found guilty of teaching liberalism.

Currently Georgia has a bill facing a vote on this proposal.

There are half a dozen other red states working on a similar bill.

Some red states only ask for a student bill of rights that amounts to punishment of professors the church doesn;t like.

Professors won't be saved by tenure. They will be brought before the State Legislatures for show hearings to cause fear and Sate courts to pass judmment if the school does not comply with the legislature's recomendations..

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST,American
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 01:59 PM

U.S. BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
~~~
Early next week the U.S. congress will probably vote on "Hate Crimes" legislation. The Bills are H.R. 1592 in the House of Representatives and S. 1105 in the Senate.

These measures have been presented in a variety of ways intended to appeal to a number of different groups, but the core of each bill is the outlawing of government criticism. If you dig through all the references to definitions contained in other laws, you see that hurtful speech directed at any specific "culture" or person of a specific "national origin" will be punishable as a hate crime. But, aren't we all, as Americans, part of a culture, and don't we all have a specific national origin? So if a hate crimes law is passed and signed into law, it will mean that any negative comment about our own country is a hate crime. We will no longer be able to object to government, even on this forum.

Contact your representatives and urge them to stop these measures. The House of Representatives switchboard can be reached by calling 202-224-3121, and the Senate switchboard can be reached at 202-225-3121. Let your Senators know you are opposed to S. 1105, and let your Representative know you are opposed to H.R. 1592.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 08:54 AM

I don't think that BB actually made any comment on censorship in any country - he simply put up the article for discussion.

Some of the posts following BB's have made the case that censorship exists in many places and that fundamentalism is not just restricted to one particular belief system. Fundamentalists of any colour are dangerous to the majority IMHO.

On the other side of the coin I think that we all need to develop a degree of respect for the beliefs and culture of others.

While travelling in Italy we went to Venice and out tour guide advised that, if we wished to enter the Basilicca we would have to dress accordingly - no shorts or bare shoulders. I had no sympathy for the whines that came later as a result of others in the party disregarding this advice. Same in Tunisia - we were advised by the holiday rep. that, if we wanted to sunbathe we should stay within the hotel grounds and stay away from the local beach. We then had complaints from the idiots that they had been spat at by the locals for laying topless on the beach. These same idiots also complained that they got 'goosed' in the local markets, where they had chosen to wear skimpy tops and shorts or skirts. If you are in someone else's country then have respect for their culture. You may not agree with their ideas but YOU ARE A GUEST and should behave accordingly.

If you find the rules too restrictive then don't go there. Mostly, nowadays, you can get a good idea of what is acceptable before going to a foreign country - even without the internet I knew what to expact in Tunisia about 15 years ago. If you're too stupid the check it out you deserve everything you get.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Bagpuss
Date: 29 Apr 07 - 04:24 AM

"Down with this sort of thing!"

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 10:07 PM

I guess bb doesn't think N.A. or Europe have any form of censorship. Lets start a list:

1. Franny and Zoe was banned in my school.

2. A book about a child with two Moms was recently banned from a school district in B.C.

3. We have a rating system for movies.

4. I was kicked out of St. Peters because my skirt was too short.

Can you add to this list?

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 06:50 PM

If they don't have a sense of humor, it isn't funny! (Or so it seems.)

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Bagpuss
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 05:25 PM

I seem to remember Popetown being pulled here in the UK...

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 02:47 PM

Mel Brook's Christ movie...Blazing Sandels.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 12:05 PM

The world has gone crazy out there......

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 11:24 AM

Of course, some Christian - and many Jewish - organisations would have Mel Gibson's movie about Christ banned.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 10:07 AM

ah oh its time for Car Talk...bye

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 10:06 AM

Our other revered masters of the obvious are our humorists be it Will Rodgers or Twain or Lewis Black.

Humorists will forver be an enemy of the insecure ass hole who feels so alienated that they seek leadership to fill the void that can never be filled





...until it is filled with a wise education.


Does this mean there is still hope for George W?
no
some kinds of emotional brain damage has a limited window of time to develop or heal.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 09:57 AM

Whether it was William Shakespear or Jesus, these themes have been developed in great works of art and teachings that bear repeating for each generation.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 09:51 AM

in short

Most people become leaders because they are insecure.
The leaders who are most insecure - suck the most.

Those who are secure due to their skills, talent and intelligence make the best leaders - but the needy insecure and inferior person will try to steal the authority of the talented leader and use every evil of mankind to take it away.

so we end up with ass holes for leaders.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 09:40 AM

Don T
I agree. My post was an attempt at satire all the same - what me worry?

The "superstitious powerplay of a bunch of cynical conmen" plays right into my thoughts this morning.

I was thinking that NO ONE can ever feel like they totally belong.
Don't get me wrong there are moments of epiphany when you feel at one with the universe but every one lives in some kind of comunity where belonging is a touchy subject.

If you had a black mom and a white dad you could feel conflicted as to what culture will accept you or feel slighted that "belonging" is not conferred. Or a family with a religious divide. Or a family with a national divide. or a family with a sexual expression divide . Or a GIANT family divided by money or the lack of it.

Every one feels that they are stuck in between some kind of belonging.

So forget it. You belong to those who can love or those who love you. (period)

The people who get desperate about belonging will always fail to really feel secure UNLESS they become the leader of the:
pack
cult
parrish
mosque
temple
business
city
county
country
WORLD

This kind of person loses more of a sense of inclusiveness and becomes more of a dictator. They demand authority. They will punish to prove their title of authority, to their supreme need for belonging. The more they demand and punish the farther belonging slips away.

These type of people will still not find the sense of belonging even after getting the position of leadership that they thought would fulfill them. They rationalize how its tough at the top, but they put themselves at the top in hopes of solidifying a belonging that is just beyond their grasp.

The few people who get it, get respect from others who share their understanding.

On the other end of the rainbow are those who give up and recede away from society or disappear within themselves.

While we are all private individuals and herd animals simultaneously, we need to be reminded that the urge for belonging is just an urge. You already belong to the Universe.

The people in our lives who remind us of this are revered and are close to our hearts.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 06:00 AM

"Why is this guy Mohhamed so thin skinned? Is it a self confidence thing? Alfred E Newman could care less if someone makes fun of him.
I think that shows character. This Mohammed guy could learn a thng or two from Al."

It's not about Mohammed, Donuel, it never has been.

It's about perpetuating the cushy lifestyle, and superstitious powerplay of a bunch of cynical conmen who profess to interpret his teachings.

Mohammed would be appalled if he could know what they are doing in his name.

Ditto Jesus!
Ditto Moses!

The only one who seems to have bypassed this tragic fate is Buddha, and his people are oppressed by that other discredited religion, Communism.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST,Ian cookieless
Date: 28 Apr 07 - 05:29 AM

Really glad, Peace!

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Peace
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:23 PM

They have their Rosa. Her name is Naomi Ragen.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST,Ian cookieless
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 08:06 PM

This article on the BBC website shows similar madness about 'women's modesty' brewing among religious (Jewish, this time) fanatics in Israel. Looks like they need the Israeli equivalent of Rosa Parkes for Jewish women.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 07:19 PM

This is too true, and my dogs would be very unhappy if they couldn't get their nightly teaspoon of yogurt. Ah well, we could buy camels????

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Peace
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 06:22 PM

"Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture"

Probably because it ticks off the yogurt makers.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 06:19 PM

Stringsinger, we CAN???? We used to be able to.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 05:52 PM

We are fortunate that here in the US we can laugh at politicians, preachers, religious zealots, scoundrels in and out of government, pompous military figures, and an apathetic populace.

But not at pompous and over-zealous forum moderators - it would seem.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 05:29 PM

BB, I think that a satire on this is a very good thing. It should also include other satires on American culture such as the nonsense of so-called "pro-lifers" wearing their religious burquas, trigger-happy gun-owners, "Onward Christian Soldiers" who love war, and other "cultural" aspects of the US.

The burqua is unforgiveable and hopefully a cultural disease that can be cured through laughter.

We are fortunate that here in the US we can laugh at politicians, preachers, religious zealots, scoundrels in and out of government, pompous military figures, and an apathetic populace.

More laughter!

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Peace
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 04:09 PM

Oracles. That would have been the job to have. Not to BE the oracle, but to inTERpret for the oracle. Well, these assholes have it now.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM

Be careful walking throught the Mea Shearim in Jerusalem too.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 03:19 PM

When I was young we had culture, but had to sell it to make ends meet.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 03:13 PM

Now back at Rivendell, our old housing co-operative in Lansing, Michigan, we had culture. It was an essential ingredient to making yugert. There were rumours of other cultures flourishing in the basement, under the sink, and behind the toilet tank but such rumours were never varified to my knowledge.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:53 PM

Why is this guy Mohhamed so thin skinned? Is it a self confidence thing? Alfred E Newman could care less if someone makes fun of him.
I think that shows character. This Mohammed guy could learn a thng or two from Al.




NO one is to throw any rocks until I say so, even is someone does say Jehova....WHHUMMPQ

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:40 PM

At least they've got a culture to ridicule - we're rapidly losing ours!

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: kendall
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:37 PM

I couldn't live in a culture where humor is taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:28 PM

Kulture shapes the history you learn.

If you grew up in America you might recognize the common characterization of President Eisenhower as an old man who mostly played golf and was rather senile.
While on the other hand Ronald Reagan was the Great Communicator.

Reagan was actually older. Reagan was actually senile. Eisenhower actually communicated the great threat facing the American people in the military industrial complex speech on his last day in office.







In fairness to Reagan, he did OK the last successful unilateral invasion of a foreign country.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 01:05 PM

Some people say that the US military industrial complex is part of our culture. IF someone even brings up the subject, big US media will silence them and label them a nut an iconoclast and unpatriotic.

Culture is is thought of as an ethnic people, dance, food, clothing or language.

What we are really talking about here is what we could call Kulture.
The concentration of economic power and violence judges what kulture is. Kulture is what an Islamic state or a Military Industrial State says it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: M.Ted
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 12:52 PM

Amos is absolutely right, they need to be more tolerant--it's not like anybody got called a Nappy-headed Ho--

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:17 AM

Gives a pretty good indication of why so many Pakistanis have decided to emigrate.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Amos
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 10:01 AM

If the culture is really so rigid and inflexible that it cannot allow any ridicule, then it will not grow, and it is on its way out as a culture.

These guys need to lighten up a bit.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: jacqui.c
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 09:42 AM

It's rather frightening, the extent to which religious fanatics are trying to bend governments to their own particular narrow viewpoint. We can see it here in the West with the Christian fundamentalists as well.

Problem is, the majority of the population don't get worked up about it enough to make their voices heard. Similar to the rise of the Nazi party back in the 20's and 30's.

The danger is that these people will get a real foothold without any real opposition and then it could be too late.

Subject: RE: BS: Can't allow anyone to ridicule culture
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Apr 07 - 09:32 AM

It's not just Islam, bruce.