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Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio

GUEST, Topsie 01 May 07 - 11:13 AM
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GUEST, Topsie 02 May 07 - 05:04 AM
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Subject: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 01 May 07 - 11:13 AM

Apparently they will be on Woman's Hour tomorrow (Wednesday, 2 May).


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 01 May 07 - 11:16 AM

The thread title got shortened, so I'll add that that's BBC Radio 4.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Folkiedave
Date: 01 May 07 - 11:17 AM

Well, Hot diggety.

Ralph Jordan writes

No, of course there won't be a dedicated channel for our sort of music, but, in fact, instead of ghettoing trad music, I really like finding the odd Folkie (token or otherwise) in Radio 4 progs such as Womans Hour or Loose Ends.

And lo it happens.......

Well done Ralphie!!


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:04 AM

Just a reminder ...


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:11 AM

Listening to it now!!


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:47 AM

Excellent.

Great singing live and unaccompanied of "T is for Thomas". Was also a good plug for the Albert Hall show later this month.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:48 AM

Charming and good fun, no side, nice J stands for John but what another lost opportunity. The BBC have two great advocates of traditional music, give them little time and no real opportunity to talk about their passion, it's origins and evolution.

What did I expect?


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: concertina ceol
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:50 AM

and very good it was too :-)

Very impressive to sing unaccompanied like that, live on national radio.

I also liked the fact that Jenni Murray's accent went back to barnsley during the interview.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: greg stephens
Date: 02 May 07 - 05:57 AM

Excellent. Warm and funny and some fabulous singing. Just what you what expect.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 02 May 07 - 06:27 AM

Yep caught it too!

Ray


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Surreysinger
Date: 02 May 07 - 07:02 AM

Right - so we have two different titles given - T is for Thomas, and J stands for John.... could have sworn the title was "T _stands_ for Thomas" as in "T stands for Thomas I suppose" in the first line of the chorus (as they sing it).

Whatever the case , I thought it was a great rendition of the song, and a nice interview (wherein Jenni Murray revealed her lack of preparation, or lack of proper research from programme hands by accusing Eliza of appearing at the RAH for the first time ... tee hee!).

Oh, and Dave - totally agree with the comment re Mr Jordan's aims for a radio station (as per the BBC board) Sadly, it seems that his benign dictatorship is now at an end, as the station plans were taken over by the ravening Country and Western hordes who exercised a bloodless coup. (If this is confusing anyone - have a look at the thread on the Folk and Acoustic BBC board titled "Bloody BBC")

Finally, am I alone in finding the awed references earlier in the thread to the act of "singing unaccompanied" unusual?? Or is it just that that's what I'm more used to hearing and doing ? There's no question that Norma and Eliza are great exponents of the art, but it's not exactly an unheard of live occurrence. (Apologies - think I must be in picky mood this morning - packing bags and heading out of the door to go and do some research right now [grins]))


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Surreysinger
Date: 02 May 07 - 07:06 AM

Whoops... I forgot ... the thread was actually entitled Bl**dy BBC... one has to retain sensitivies... and one ought to mention that there had already been a radio station takeover of a country based thread in the first place [grins].


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: concertina ceol
Date: 02 May 07 - 07:13 AM

no surrey singer I do it myself every week publically - sing unaccompanied that is.

However it is much easier to sing with accompaniment where you can "hide" behind the music. Unaccompanied it is just you and you are exposed. More so singing live 'ont radio. Contrast their performance with the flustered but lovely Jenni Murray.

PS. I just corrected this before posting. initially I typed "much easier to sin with accompaniment" ;-)


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Folkiedave
Date: 02 May 07 - 08:49 AM

You mean it is possible to sin solo?


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 May 07 - 08:52 AM

Onan


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 May 07 - 08:53 AM

Or is that "one 'and"?


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: stallion
Date: 02 May 07 - 08:54 AM

you mean it isn't a sin?


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 May 07 - 08:54 AM

I cannot stop myself.
A heaven-sent opportunity to call Richard Bridge a wanker without fear of contradiction.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 02 May 07 - 08:57 AM

I thought it was P stands for Paddy...


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: treewind
Date: 02 May 07 - 09:44 AM

I didn't hear it, but I did hear the earlier (a year or two ago?) interview with Eliza on Womans Hour, in which she also sang unaccompanied.

Nothing strange about about that to most of us, but we're all folkies and used to it. Your average citizen/ Radio 4 listener does find unaccompanied singing strange because it's very rarely heard in the mass media. I remember how unusual it seemed to me, when as a student I was dragged to a folk club for the first time by my friends. I actually felt embarrassed, as if they were standing up stark naked in front of the audience!

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 May 07 - 10:08 AM

All four Witches of Elswick did Woman's Hour not very long ago without instruments because, being an acapella band, it's what they do. And there have been other women performers (with and without instruments), such as Athena Andreadis who did play keyboards on one song and Karine Polwart who brought only her melodeon player as accompanist. Usually Jenni Murray does a good job of interviewing these musicians who seem to be featured every few weeks but did slip up rather in her background research this morning. Still, 'tis a jolly good thing that they do get featured on R4 as part of normal life (whatever that is) and not confined to the sole so-called 'specialist' programme on R2.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 May 07 - 10:10 AM

Oh, and it's on the replayer:

Woman's Hour


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST,Nicholas Waller
Date: 02 May 07 - 10:36 AM

I heard them on the radio, and then about 45 minutes later I was in Wells and there were two tanned traveller-like 20-something chaps, one with the requisite wispy beard (but no dog on a string), busking traditional acapella songs in the market square (it's market day*). Very good they were too, I thought. They consulted a small fat little grey book for ideas of what to sing next but otherwise but appeared to be word perfect from a big memorised store of songs.

Here's a pic of them: www dot nawaller dot com/singerssm.jpg though it won't be there for ever.

*Wells market square was one of the locations for the violent showdown in Hot Fuzz, if anyone has seen it.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 May 07 - 01:19 PM

Once again the c**ntess fails accurately to read, before accusing.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Surreysinger
Date: 02 May 07 - 02:23 PM

"no surrey singer I do it myself every week publically - sing unaccompanied that is."
Phew.....wipes brow .... glad we cleared that one up!!!

"(Singing) Unaccompanied it is just you and you are exposed."
Tell me about it.... I also do it in public - grins again! I think what surprised me was the fact that these sentiments were raised on this board - I'm more used to encountering them from classical singers or non-singers who just can't comprehend the fact that you can (a) sing without any accompaniment, (b) don't need music in front of you and (c) don't (mostly) need a prompt note to start off on and can retain pitch throughout.... or at least, maybe I should clarify that last... _usually_ retain pitch throughout (I have heard one or two dire singers who manage to drift through what occasionally appears to be a whole octave on their way through a song - not a comfortable thing to listen to!!)


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Snuffy
Date: 02 May 07 - 07:30 PM

What's wrong with dynamic pitch then? If I pitch a longish song correctly, I will stay in that key, but if I start a third or so too high (or low) I often manage to drift (not jump) into the desired key by verse 3. And having got there, I stay there for the remaining 8/22/whatever verses.

Unless some bastard decides to accompany me and keep me in the "wrong" key!


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Barry Finn
Date: 03 May 07 - 12:50 AM

Thanks for the link. Just listened. I'd venture to say that Eliza's ear & voice are about to surpass her mother's. I saw/heard her recently when they (-Norma) when they passed through the Boston area & thought to myself her she's really coming into her full voice but without Norma I couldn't tell how much since the last time I heard them together (a good few yrs ago). Hearing them together now I'd say she's every bit as good in voice & harmony if not better. Thogh to be fair Norma is getting older all the time while Eliza probably won't peak for a good while yet.
I think it's probably not fair of me to make those likenesses but it's what I heard.

Barry


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST,
Date: 03 May 07 - 05:52 AM

Before they sang we were told that Eliza was helping her mother to the chair, therefore presumably Norma was having to sing sitting down - maybe it is this that affects the power of her voice, rather than her getting older.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:01 AM

I think Norma does has a slight ankle problem at the moment, but could be wrong!

Ray

The singing was excellent non the less

Jenni Murray comes from Barnsley originally but I dont think we ever saw her grace the Centenary rooms or the Alhambra folk do - es

Jenni and Ian McMillan (Ian is a folky from Barnsley too) appeared on TV word game recently


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:16 AM

Jenni Murray maybe from Barnsley but I believe she attended Hull Uni so may have graced the Old Blue Bell at some point and if her luck was really in ventured upstairs on a Sunday night to hear a group called the Watersons.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 May 07 - 06:41 AM

Jenni Murray was born in 1950 so assuming she came to Hull at the age of 18 would have arrived as the Watersons in their first incarnation were just finishing.

The Bluebell did continue at that time - but it was just as likely - if she were into folk music that she went to the Rugby.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 03 May 07 - 04:14 PM

If she went to the Bluebell or the Rugby, or both, she was in luck. They were two of the best folk clubs I ever knew.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 04 May 07 - 11:05 AM

It will be repeated on Saturday afternoon in Weekend Woman's Hour, some time between 4.0 and 5.0 UK time.


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 04 May 07 - 11:42 AM

I remember the Blue Bell in the 1970s - Sunday nights wasn't it? That was where I saw Johnny Handle take off most of the removable bits of an upright piano and proceed to play it like I had never seen a piano played before. Magic!
And it was there I met Ian Manuel, one of the best traditional singers I have ever heard, or will hear in my life again.
What a place the old pub was.
Does it still have a folk club?


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Subject: RE: Norma Waterson and Eliza Carthy on Radio
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 04 May 07 - 02:44 PM

Mary, So good to see you say about Ian Manuel. I agree entirely, he was a great singer, especially on Scottish Bothy Ballads. He was   often overlooked as a singer by those who saw only his brash and lively character. Luckily Bert Lloyd recognised how good he was and got him to make two vinyls for Topic, superb records, sadly long since deleted. I'd love to see them reissued on CD but not much chance I'm afraid. I don't think the Rugby has a folk club now, but could be, it's years since I was last in Hull, more's the pity. Burl.


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