BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 10:16 PM

Ouch!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 08:48 PM

The right earlobe is still there. If it returns, I suspect a lobe-otomy will follow.   ;-)
I was told it's very probably from my playing by ear for all those years. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 18 Sep 07 - 05:22 AM

I was told by my daughter, aged 33, as regards aging

'You shouldn't have joined if you can't take a joke'.

To which the only response' I think, has to be

'I don't mind a joke but fuck a pantomime'.

My thoughts are with you, Art and Uncle Dave.

Joy, Health, Love, Peace and Blessings.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 17 Sep 07 - 10:19 PM

Well - on the three score and ten scale I have 12 good years left and hope to enjoy every one....!

Art - you are so right ........you GOTTA have a sense o' humor, or else it isn't funny!! Best of luck.......

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Joe_F
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 09:57 PM

We were warned:

The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away. -- Psalm 90:10

For me, the guarantee runs out this 28 October. So far, I've had better health than I deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 09:44 PM

Truebrit,

Like I'm fond of saying: Ya gotta have a sense o' humor, or else it isn't funny! ;-)

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 08:25 PM

Art Thieme -- I havent met you but my heart goes out to you -- MS is a pig of a disease and cancer of the ear ( 'ear 'ear) thrown in seems a little bit over the top

I have(had) a dear friend who was a quadreplegic since he turned 18 and had a wrestling accident that left him as a quad .... he died of fucking brain cancer -- Art, I don;t know you but I think you will get the irony....

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 01:43 PM

As the man said, Amos: "Why, of course, I'm young. I've been young all my life."

So was I. Until sudeenly...

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Amos
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 12:22 PM

I was eleven until my body turned seventeen. I was eighteen until my 30th birthday, and I stayed thirty until my 50th birthday. At 62 I still feel fifty.   I can't say I understand this two-tracks-of-time phenomenon, but I think it is commonly experienced.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Rog Peek
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 11:36 AM

I'm sorry to 'ear that as well Art. Sorry too I couldn't resist the pun, I'm assuming Alice yours wasn't.

Joking aside Art, we'll be keeping our fingers crossed that this time the doctors are right, and they got it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Alice
Date: 16 Sep 07 - 10:10 AM

Art, I'm sorry to hear that! You take care, Alice.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 10:51 PM

And I thought the twinge in my wrist was a problem. I need to find some younger friends if only to preserve the upholstery in my car.
SINS, on her way to a colonoscopy...

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: mouldy
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 04:17 AM

My mother, on turning 70, said to me, "There's a 40 year old in me, and my body won't let it out"!

At 55, I have a young person in me that is being told to behave by its older outer self. When it does sneak out for a while it then gets "I told you so" the next day when it suffers for it.

Damn


Andrea

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Amos
Date: 15 Sep 07 - 12:03 AM

Oh, Art!!! Ear, ear!!! I guess you have to be careful what you wish for; make a wish to get hard, but not of hearing!!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 10:07 PM

...and last week I had three quarters of my right ear removed. That's for real.
cancer of the ear. They probably got it all I've been told.

After the last 20 years, I don't believe a thing doctors tell me. They see everything with the tunnel vision of their own expertise---and generally get diagnoses wrong! God forbid, they get it right once in a while and actually send you to another specialist who might do you some good!

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Art Thieme
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 09:50 PM

Dysfunctions of all kinds are companions of mine now as byproducts of MS. I fully empathize with Bryn Pugh. I regularly gross myself out with things I must now do regularly to survive. I've come to realize that the fucking golden years are not that color. They are brown.

And they sound like a bell!!!! (scroll down!)








dung!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: wysiwyg
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:38 PM

Congrats, Dave!!!

And congrats to all former fart-trusters!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Bert
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 12:51 PM

Oh the indignity!

Three month old Granddaughter threw up on me yesterday. The cute little bugger. I guess that is an indignity that I find it quite easy to suffer.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Mr Happy
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 12:18 PM

yes, we've all got piles to look forward to!!

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: bobad
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 11:22 AM

Shit happens.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 10:08 AM

Oi - Mickey 191 - if you are in this thread, shove off NOW.

At 62 I am probably still a pup, but I have taken on board the advice

    NEVER TRUST A FART.

My beloved an I were heading into Town to do the |Marks shop and I let a fart. I thought it was a fart. Guess what ?

Fortunately there was a garage nearby (US - Filling station ? Gasoline place ?)so I could do what I thought was going to be a quick cleany-up job. No such luck. Had it just been me underpants I could have flushed them away and picked a five-pack up at Marks. No such luck.

Once I was nice and clean and shiny again, courtesy of clean undies, clean chinos and a wire brush, in Town I went to the saddlers and picked up a lovely leather 'man-bag' such as the Eyetalian men carry. It goes everywhere with me now. It contains my bus-pass, keys, a pen, a glass so that if I come across any coins that take me fancy I can scrutinise them ; but most importantly - clean undies and some wet wipes.

Once over 55 - NEVER TRUST A FART.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Gurney
Date: 14 Sep 07 - 02:28 AM

I was scrolling down this thread, and saw a post that I could refer to. Scrolled further, and saw that I already had. I'd forgotten the whole thread, let alone my post.

Funny, I can still remember my first day at school, nearly 62 years ago.

I have aches, a paunch, no hair, etc., but the alternative to being old is still much worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 08:09 PM

My favorite quote about aging (and the most accurate one I've heard) came from Eubie Blake, on his 100th birthday. When asked how it felt to be 100, he said: "I feel like I'm thirty-five years old. With something terribly wrong with me."

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: SINSULL
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 07:13 PM

Good news, UncleO. Celebrate!

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Amos
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 07:02 PM

Huzzah, Dave!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 06:27 PM

God help us, we may have to put up with Uncle Dave's jokes for the indefinate future now.

(Sure hope so; that's real good news)

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Rog Peek
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 05:27 PM

Well done mate, that's great news!
Rog

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 05:11 PM

At long last, I can drop the other shoe!

Back on May 6, I said that I'd been provisionally diagnosed with a non-Hodgkins lymphoma.

That's what it was, all right. But now, after six chemo sessions, my oncologist pronounced those glorious words, "cancer free"! That's based on a PET scan and CT scan after the fourth chemo. The PET could not find the differential absorption of radioactive sugar solution by the fast-growing cells of a lymphoma, and the CT couldn't see it either. Then two more chemos to (as Shakespeare put it) "make assurance double sure".

I thought I would pass this on, for the delectation (or dismay?) of those who know me.

Dave Oesterreich

Frankly,

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 11 May 07 - 02:34 AM

Amos... it's time you upped your medication again... you're starting to make sense to me!

Either that or it's time for me to go back ON my medications...

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Amos
Date: 10 May 07 - 10:03 AM

From the perspective of those (such as LH) who subscribe to a "many lifetimes" model of the human spirit, the question arises whether one goes through cycles of creation, growth, change, decay and extinction as a soul -- a spiral involving, say, hundreds of lifetimes linked by a common theme.

I would think the symptoms of being late in such a spiral would be similar tot he individual life cycle pattern: accrued wisdom, crankiness, impatience, and a tendency to forget things.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 10 May 07 - 02:47 AM

It is the price (or one of them ) of aging.......!

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: MBSLynne
Date: 10 May 07 - 02:45 AM

I bet you forgot you'd posted that already TRUBRIT????

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 10 May 07 - 01:03 AM

Works for me! Must be comforting to REALLY believe otherwise..........

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Joe_F
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:14 PM

First you go to hell, then your body rots, and then you die.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: MBSLynne
Date: 09 May 07 - 03:45 AM

My Dad (a similar age to you Dave) had a similar situation though in a different place. They removed the growths and he is regularly checked and so far is fine. He was told that, due to his age they would develop and grow very slowly if they returned, so would probably not be a desperate problem. (Meaning he'd probably die of old age before they killed him!) So there's an advantage of ageing!

Good luck and thoughts to you and I'm sure you will be fine

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Peace
Date: 08 May 07 - 11:35 PM

I apologize, Dave. I was responding to a post further up-thread and hadn't read yours. I am gonna agree with Amos: a complete recovery. You will have a bit of rough road, but you keep it between the ditches and there is a clear, smooth drive ahead. You are gonna be fine.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Amos
Date: 08 May 07 - 11:28 PM

Dave:

I am sorry for your troubles with this thing; I am betting on a fast, straight recovery. Keep putting out that energy.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Peace
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:59 PM

The cause of pee pee is wa wa.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:49 PM

I've been asked to update folks on my condition re the lymphoma in the Mediastinum.

The biopsy says that yes, indeed, it's lymphoma, and it is indeed malignant, a relative of Hodgkin's disease. That's the bad news.

The good news is that it's small, and asymptomatic. Better, the Good Doc tells me that, although he's not the oncologist who will have the last word, it's slow-growing, and has probably been there for a long time (as in several years). With the same disclaimer, he thinks that it is very easily treated. I asked whether by radiation or chemo, and he thought, since it's small, isolated, and asymptomatic, the oncologist will probably choose radiation.

I wouldn't have chosen to have the thing in the first place (surprise! surprise!), but given its presence, the above qualifies as good news.

Film at 11

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 May 07 - 06:55 PM

The way I heard it, it's the aging/loss of muscle tone of a floor of muscles that support the bladder, which develops a weak spot between them. Thus this allows the bladder to hang down between them with not only no support, but pressure from the squeeze of the surrounding muscles. Treatment-- Kegel exercises.

I also heard there is a higher incidence of nerve damage in that area among women as they age, who had forceps deliveries in childbirth.

Fun, though, innit?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: GUEST,AAH
Date: 07 May 07 - 06:50 PM

I guess the next topic could be the leaky pee-pee. It caused by a phantom muscle that weakens practically involuntarily. It is not any of the normal muscles used to control bladder output. It is closely related to, but is not exactly, the one that can fail when you cough hard. One finds oneself enrolled in Potty Training Part II. It can happen out of no-where, or it can be triggered by rolling over and getting out of bed, walking down the stairs, or just plain holding it too long.

AAH

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: leeneia
Date: 07 May 07 - 10:27 AM

"I think it is better to use a natural product [saw palmetto] rather than something cooked up in a chemical lab."

======
I disagree. In the U.S., so-called "natural" herbals have been tested and found to contain lead, pesticides, contaminating additional herbs and/or pharmaceuticals (some of them banned). Some of them don't contain the herbs they are supposed to contain.

I specify "in the U.S." because here the lack of testing, purity and certification of so-call herbals and dietary supplements is a damn shame.

"Natural" is not a protection. There are natural things that can make you miserable, destroy your health or kill you. American Poison Control centers have handled thousands of poisonings involving so-called natural or herbal dietary supplements.

See "Natural Causes" by Dan Hurley, Broadway Books (a division of Random House) 2006.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: LilyFestre
Date: 07 May 07 - 09:35 AM

"aiming for delinquency rather than senility"

LOL!!! I like that! Nothing like a bit of sass to keep you and those around you young!!!!

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 May 07 - 06:46 AM

And then there are grandchildren. It's worth getting older, just for them.

Deb - I told my kids the same - I want to live to 100, just to piss them off. There will be my two, ages 78 and 81, wondering if they're going to end up in the same rest home as mother!

I've said before, as you get older, never trust a fart. That is one of the lessons you need to learn FAST!

When all's said and done I fall back on the adage "There's no alternative to aging, but you don't have to get OLD".

jacqui.c, aiming for delinquency rather than senility...

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: MBSLynne
Date: 07 May 07 - 03:27 AM

Yes it's true...one of the definite positives of getting older is watching your children growing up. I take almost infinite pleasure in my two beautiful, intelligent children and get just about as much pleasure vicariously from their triumphs and enjoyments as I would if I were experiencing them myself. Even better...as I see my son enjoying his school work and aiming for all A and A* GCSEs, I can enjoy it without actually having to put in any of the hard work!

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: Amos
Date: 07 May 07 - 01:02 AM

That's also a problem when converting to certain faiths, I believe...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: JennyO
Date: 07 May 07 - 12:07 AM

Sorry Dick, your phrasing struck me funny. I pictured you walking around accompanied by the ghosts of your dead friends. Bad Jenny.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 06 May 07 - 11:48 PM

The absolute worst thing about getting old is the realization of the number of dead friends you have.

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 06 May 07 - 10:32 PM

I agree so strongly, I infinitely prefer being the older person I am than the younger one I was -- so tied up with worry about all kinds of silly stuff. Self acceptance is a wonderful thing.....

LTS, I don;t think my son is thinking nursing home, I think he is thining murder!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Indignities of Aging: the Sordid Truth
From: JennieG
Date: 06 May 07 - 10:17 PM

I reckon as we get older we become the person we were always meant to be. When I was younger I was riddled with self-doubt about lots of things, now I don't give a fairy's fart about them at all. Except my expanding waistline.

And I seem to be turning into a grumpy old woman, and what's more I am enjoying it!

Cheers
JennieG