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THE LOCH TAY BOAT SONG


dulcimer 02 Dec 98 - 07:56 AM
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alison 26 Jan 99 - 07:46 AM
Kernow John 26 Jan 99 - 02:41 PM
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Joe Offer 01 Feb 99 - 09:39 PM
Wolfgang 02 Feb 99 - 03:47 PM
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Arkie 06 Apr 99 - 12:37 AM
RobertBurns@OBLaw.com 06 Apr 99 - 12:24 PM
Arkie 08 Apr 99 - 11:45 AM
MMario 08 Apr 99 - 11:54 AM
Arkie 08 Apr 99 - 12:14 PM
AlistairUK 08 Apr 99 - 01:16 PM
DonMeixner 08 Apr 99 - 01:32 PM
Tony Burns 08 Apr 99 - 04:45 PM
Rick Haverty 09 Apr 99 - 01:19 AM
Rick Fielding 09 Apr 99 - 01:59 AM
Tony Burns 09 Apr 99 - 07:44 AM
Arkie 09 Apr 99 - 11:36 AM
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Subject: Info: Loch Tay Boat Song
From: dulcimer
Date: 02 Dec 98 - 07:56 AM

Can anyone shed more information, history, background on Loch Tay Boat Song other than what is in the DT?


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Subject: The Lonesome Boatman?????
From: Dave
Date: 25 Jan 99 - 09:50 AM

Not sure if that is the correct name - part of the chorus is as follows:

..for I can not live without her Oh my heart's a boat in tow, since the day I let her go, now I sing io io As i row my boat ashore

Can any one enlighten me?


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Subject: RE: The Lonesome Boatman?????
From: Richk
Date: 25 Jan 99 - 09:56 AM

Hi,

Sounds more like "The Loch Taye Boat Song". I believe Silly Wizard recorded it.

Rich


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Subject: RE: The Lonesome Boatman?????
From: alison
Date: 26 Jan 99 - 07:46 AM

Hi,

Yes it sounds like the Loch Tay boat song..... (my heart is full of woe, ?for last night she bade me go....... is that the one???) I think it was done by the Corries.

The Lonesome Boatman is an instrumental played by the Furies.

Slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: The Lonesome Boatman?????
From: Kernow John
Date: 26 Jan 99 - 02:41 PM

I couldn't access the database on line but it's definately there. Search for loch tay and up it will come complete with tune.
Regards Baz


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Subject: RE: The Lonesome Boatman?????
From: Dave
Date: 27 Jan 99 - 04:24 AM

Thank you one and all


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Subject: RE: The Lonesome Boatman?????
From: alison
Date: 27 Jan 99 - 09:20 PM

Hi,

The search forum is co-operating again.... so here you go

The Loch Tay boat song

Slainte

alison


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Subject: lach tay boat song
From: JFF,III
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 09:36 PM

Where can I find a downloadable version of the traditional Scottish ballad, "Lach Tay Boat Song"? Thank you all for your help. John


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Subject: RE: lach
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Feb 99 - 09:39 PM

Hi, JFF - if you put [boat song] in square brackets in the search box at the upper-right corner of this page, you'll find it. If you're lazy, click here
Fast enough response for ya?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: lach
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Feb 99 - 03:47 PM

three minutes, including a link! How did you do that, Joe? Or did you just use your personal cheetah to adjust the time?
chapeau, Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: lach
From: JFF,III
Date: 03 Feb 99 - 05:25 PM

Joe: As the herdsman said, this really gets my goat! I thought I had typed it correctly in the search forum since I tried both "lach" and "loch" but it appears I made another typo and didn't catch it. Many thanks for your help. It was very much appreciated. Best regards, John


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Subject: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 06 Apr 99 - 12:37 AM

I don't really need this, but would like to know something of the background of the song. Have the lyrics, three sets now, counting the one in the database. Had not heard it until a couple of years ago and it has now become one of the more popular pieces for singers around here. If anyone knows where it came from, they are not saying. Just curious if its an old song or relatively recent.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: RobertBurns@OBLaw.com
Date: 06 Apr 99 - 12:24 PM

A traditional Scotch song. Need more info.?


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 08 Apr 99 - 11:45 AM

I'll refresh this once and let it go. Apparently this song is more obscure than I thought or maybe only folks in the Ozarks are drawn to it.

It starts out:

When I've done my work of day, And I row my boat away Down the waters of Loch Tay As the evening's light is fading

One source credits Harold Boulton as the composer.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: MMario
Date: 08 Apr 99 - 11:54 AM

Contrary to popular belief, it does sometimes take longer then 24 hours for people to come up with an answerr on the MudCat.

I love this song, have enjoyed it for a few years, but know nothing about it other then that it is Scottish.

MMario


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 08 Apr 99 - 12:14 PM

Thanks MMario.

I'll be more persistent. I am new to this, but have come to expect great things from Mudcatters. I share office space with a Folklorist who has a phenominal memory for songs and this song is new to him.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: AlistairUK
Date: 08 Apr 99 - 01:16 PM

Arkie
I have my feelers out for any information on this song so be patient. In the meantime listen to a nice version by Paddy Hernon from his album By Request out on Scuttlebutt.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: DonMeixner
Date: 08 Apr 99 - 01:32 PM

An exceptional version of this tune can heard on The Corries Video tape Flower of Sctland. The late Roy Williamson shows his decptively fine voice against the eerie sound of the combolin.

Don


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Tony Burns
Date: 08 Apr 99 - 04:45 PM

A fine song. I'm learning it for a song circle tomorrow.

I have written to Paddy Hernon asking if he can provide more information.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Rick Haverty
Date: 09 Apr 99 - 01:19 AM

Great Song. I know I have more information on it at home -- problem is I'm travelling through next Thursday. The info is in the Andy M. Stewart Songbook that was released earlier this year. If a better post doesn't show I'll try to fill you in when I get home.

Rick


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 09 Apr 99 - 01:59 AM

Got a question. A friend sent me a tape of a British Tv show celebrating the work of the late Roy Williamson of the Corries. It was fascinating, with some lovely music and some very inspired instrumental work on a number of diverse instruments. My question is: why were the Corries apparently never taken seriously by trad fans? I know they were very popular generally, so probably seen as too "commercial", but did I miss something? I thought they were excellent and had a unique sound.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Tony Burns
Date: 09 Apr 99 - 07:44 AM

I just heard back from Paddy (who rightly chastized me for not refering to the liner notes. :-)) and he says "the song is from Perthshire and is likely a translation from the Gaelic".

Interestingly, I visted the Battlefield Band web site a couple of days ago and noticed that their itinary for this summer includes the Killin Folk Festival, Loch Tay. Those who know the song may remember the line "Frae Killin tae Aberfeldy". (Spelling may be off) As I understand it these are towns at either end of Loch Tay.

I'll put in a plug for Paddy's CD here, not because I'm in anyway involved in its official promotion but because I've played the hell out of my copy since I got it. It contains a lovely version of "The Loch Tay Boat Song". The CD is called "By Request", the performer is Paddy Hernon. If you can't find it locally I suggest you visit Paddy's web site at http://www.tallship.bc.ca/ and click on Paddy's name. That will provide a further link about the CD.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 09 Apr 99 - 11:36 AM

Thanks All:

Tony, I've sent an email off to Paddy inquiring about his CD. Look forward to his response.

Rick Haverty: I would appreciate the info from Andy Stewart's book when you get a chance to post it.

Mudcat is a wondrous place.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: jlwoods@www.columbus-ks.com
Date: 09 Apr 99 - 04:30 PM

I would like more info on the Lock Tay Boat Song. History, author, etc. Also possible releases on tape or CD. Thanks, L. Woods


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Tiger
Date: 09 Apr 99 - 06:20 PM

L.W.....

I've got a wonderful rendition on video by Liam Clancy, recorded live at the Olympia Theatre, Dublin, in 1991. Volume 1. Great show!

Both volumes are available from the Clancy website at:

http://www.clancymusic.com

.....Tiger


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 10 Apr 99 - 04:18 PM

Thanks all! We are getting to the bottom of the page. Time to go back to the top.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 14 Apr 99 - 10:38 PM

Back Again!


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: DonMeixner
Date: 14 Apr 99 - 10:52 PM

Arkie,

I contacted Gavin Browne at The Corries Web site and as soon as his Dad returns from vacation he will pass the info along.

Don


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 15 Apr 99 - 10:31 PM

Thanks Don!

I certainly have more than I started with, though still somewhat in the dark about the song. Have some great links and leads to more good music.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Dale Rose
Date: 15 Apr 99 - 10:42 PM

Arkie, I assume from your name that you might be from here in Arkansas, but in any event, the song is frequently sung by a number of performers in and around Mountain View, AR. I would suggest that you stop by the Ozark Cultural Resource Center at the Ozark Folk Center if you are anywhere near MtV. I won't guarantee it, but I would say it is likely that you would find at least part of what you'd like to know while you are there. Might even be able to talk some of the performers at the OFC into doing it for you!

If however, you are somewhere far from Arkansas, well, just let me know, and I will see what I can do.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Arkie
Date: 22 Apr 99 - 07:02 PM

Thanks Dale, but the Resource Center comes up empty. Another reason for my wanting to know more. I now have a copy of Paddy Hernon's recording and there are many more gems there in addition to Loch Tay. 60 minutes of fine music of the sea.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Rick Haverty
Date: 25 Apr 99 - 10:45 PM

Sorry I've been away so long. Here's the note from Andy's book (by the way it has 60 of his songs - some originals, some traditional and I'd highly recommend it).

The Loch Tay Boat Song:(Iorram Loch Tatha). The melody was collected from a Mrs. Cameron at Inverailort, in the district of Moidart, in 1870. The words are by Harold Boulton, a writier and translator of songs in the Gaelic language. Boulton edited the weighty, three volume, "Songs of The North", (1885-1926) in which this song first appears. It was fellow Perthshire man and friend since High School, Dougie Maclean, who I first heard singing this song.

Cheers, Rick


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: arkie
Date: 30 Apr 99 - 11:42 AM

Thanks Rick and Tony! And to all the others who have helped with this. One less mystery to confound my simple, little mind. One further note on the song, there are several cassette recordings, produced here in the Ozarks, of the song. One by a duo called Homespun which is now out of print and another really nice version by Comer (Moon) Mullins, who also happens to be a National Thumbpicking Guitar Champion, on "Old Love Songs". Robert Gillihan, who performs with several groups at the Ozark Folk Center in Mountain View has a memorable version of the song, but it has not been recorded.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 14 May 99 - 08:16 PM

Alistair, you mentioned Paddy Hernon's album 'By Request'. When did it come out? I can't find it at any of the music links from the Mudcat. Can you help? - Thanks, Susanne


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Jack Hickman - Kingston, ON
Date: 14 May 99 - 11:55 PM

Greetings:

The nicest version of this song that I have heard is by John Allan Cameron, who accompanies himself by picking his 12-string guitar. It's on vinyl, the title of the album is Wakes and Weddings. I don't know whether or not it's been released on CD, but would be worth while looking for.

Keep the Faith.

Jack Hickman


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Tony Burns
Date: 15 May 99 - 11:36 AM

Susanne,

You asked about Paddy Hernon's "By Request" CD. I don't know if you can find it in stores. It is an independent release. It is called "By Request" because Paddy's friends urged him to record some of the songs they heard him do live. He did a wonderful job.

I just ordered 3 more copies recently (yes, I like this CD) via email from Paddy directly. His email address is paddy@tallship.bc.ca. I suggest you email him and work out arrangements to have a CD sent to you.

Paddy is also the skipper of a tallship on which he lives. He has a web site that you can get to by selecting this blue clicky thing.

If you contact Paddy tell him I sent you.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: arkie
Date: 15 May 99 - 11:38 AM

Susanne, if you will check out Tony Burns response in this thread, dated April 9, you will find one of those highly touted blue clicky things to take you directly to Paddy's website. That's what I did and ordered the CD. I am certainly glad I did. Paddy is a fine singer and there is a great choice of songs on the CD. This is the address: http://www.tallship.bc.ca/


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Subject: The Loch Tay Boat Song
From: DonMeixner
Date: 11 Dec 01 - 11:28 PM

Hello All

Actually I have the lyrics and the chords appear to be a little straight forward. I'd like to have something to jazz this up a little. I think there should be a few minors in here some place.

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Loch Tay Boat Song
From: Scabby Douglas
Date: 12 Dec 01 - 06:16 AM

Well - wire right in there yerself, big man..

E minor is one of my favourite chords - I'd recommend that wholheartedly - never let me down yet...

Cheers

Steven C


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Loch Tay Boat Song
From: shankmac
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 05:03 AM

Don What key do you play it in? If its D then try F#m before the G in the first line. Mac


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Loch Tay Boat Song
From: DonMeixner
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 08:54 AM

Thanks Steve and Mac,

I;ll try these ideas. You know, I'm not a complete putz at this. It always seems with me that the simpler the song and melody, the harder it is to dress it up.

I was noodling around with "You are my sunshine" last night and some how it struck me to put on some diminished chords to play melody through rather than singular notes.

25 years playing that song and last night I find diminshed chords.

Don


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Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: The Loch Tay Boat Song
From: shankmac
Date: 13 Dec 01 - 10:58 AM

AH I have not reached diminished proportions yet.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,Maggie Cruickshank, Scotland.
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 12:20 PM

My sister Liz learned this song in London in 1965 sung by a group from Ireland called (I think)'The Tinkers'.She joined me in Victoria, BC later that year and we sang it together from then on. We were unable to find who had written it but presumed that it was traditional Scottish. I am delighted to find it's origins and will pass on this info. as it is one of my most requested songs after 'Dumbarton's Drums'. This is another song I have very little info. about. I learned it from a Jean Redpath album in the seventies. I think that she learned it from the Beers Family but I believe that it originates from Scotland.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Muttley
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:48 PM

From: RobertBurns@OBLaw.com - PM
Date: 06 Apr 99 - 12:24 PM

A traditional Scotch song. Need more info.?

And, pray tell Robbie; what the hell is a traditional song sung by a bottle of Whisky??????????

It's Scot, Scots or Scottish

SCOTCH is a bbloody drink !!!

Muttley


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 08:52 PM

It is a Scotch song not a drink you twat!


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Effsee
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:44 PM

Actually, it's a song written by an Englishman, the aforementioned Harold Boulton, who also wrote the "Skye Boat Song" I believe.
And , yes , Scotch is whisky, nothing else!


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 09 Jan 07 - 09:55 PM

There's always the risk that an old, forgotten thread revived after nearly 7 years in the tomb will attract irrelevant replies to things said long years ago.

For the benefit of 'Muttley' and 'Guest', I will repeat what I have said before. "Scotch", though old-fashioned and well on its way to obsolescence, is still perfectly correct usage as an alternative to "Scots" or "Scottish". Although mostly used nowadays as an adjective in compound forms ("Scotch whisky", "Scotch mist" etc) there are still a good many older Scots who are perfectly happy to use it as a general adjective as well as an abbreviation for whisky. Though there will inevitably be people who make a fuss about it (that is nothing new), they do risk making themselves look more ignorant than those they criticise.

See any standard Scots dictionary if you don't believe me.

Now, do either of you have anything helpful to add on the subject of the Loch Tay Boat Song?


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Cluin
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:13 AM

I had asked Martin Hadden about this song several years ago, since I was performing it regularly at the time. I had first learned it from a Dougie MacLean album "Snaigow" and there the song was credited to him. Silly Wizard (the group Martin was in) recorded it afterwards on their "Kiss The Tears Away" album, where it was credited as trad. Then later, I acquired an Anderson & Brown CD with "Loch Tay Boat Song" on it, credited to Harold Bolton. Ken Brown said it was written by the same fellow who penned "The Skye Boat Song". (I guess he specialized in boat songs)

Martin's response was, yes, Harold Bolton had written the song, but long enough ago that Silly Wizard felt no compunction in calling the song traditional since so many were now singing it. He said it was a beautiful song (which it is) and had become part of the Scots folk tradition, its writer being an Englishman notwithstanding, as much as the other work "The Skye Boat Song".

Now, shall we discuss authorship of "Northern Lights of Auld Aberdeen"?


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Jim Lad
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:21 AM

I recorded this one more than twenty years ago.
The song is set on Loch Tay in Perthshire and is a place where I spent many summers in my youth. The loch is 18 miles long and the Village of Killin sits on its western tip. Killin is famous for The Falls O' Dochart which were prominantly featured on one of the Scottish bank notes.
On the eastern tip of Loch Tay sits the village of Kenmore and just a little further up the road.... Aberfeldy. Famous for its BIrks. (Birch Trees)
The song of love gone awry is sung by the Ferryman who would carry goods etc. along along the length of the loch or from one bank to the other. Ben Lawers towers high over the loch on the north side.
A must see for any tourist.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Cluin
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 12:32 AM

Perthshire is beautiful as is Loch Tay itself. Highly recommend a visit.


Trivia: some scenes from "Monty Python & the Holy Grail" were filmed near Killin, most notably the scenes of the killer rabbit outside the cave of Caer Bannog. I think scenes of the falls at Killin were used as well.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 01:13 AM

The song was presumably in vol 3 of Songs of the North; it isn't in the first two, at any rate. Harold Boulton wrote a lot of songs that are often passed off as "traditional" nowadays (see previous discussions on 'Castle of Dromore', for example), and these were often set to older, sometimes traditional, tunes; though he wrote some tunes as well, most notably (from our point of view) the melody to which 'The Lyke Wake Dirge' is nowadays sung.

What Boulton didn't do was write in, or translate from, Gaelic; Andy M Stewart was quite wrong to say that. Unfortunately that error has by now been repeated all over the place. He worked in the same area of songwriting as did Thomas Moore and Albert Percival Graves, both of whom also wrote a lot of stuff that is resolutely claimed as "ancient" and "traditional" by people who are too lazy to do a little basic research.

The excuse made by 'Silly Wizard' is a bit feeble; Boulton only died in 1935, and when they recorded his song it was barely out of copyright.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 07:30 AM

For all that, a beautiful song, I have Liam Clancy singing it with a group of young musicians from an RTE programme, this is my favourite recording of the song.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 07:36 AM

Listen to the Corries singing this song on Youtube another lovely rendering.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,Tullybeag
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 10:23 AM

"The Northern Lights.." was written by a little old lady from London who had never been in Scotland in her life.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 05:55 PM

What about this: "The melody was collected from a Mrs. Cameron at Inverailort, in the district of Moidart, in 1870".   Is this part true? or did Boulton write the tune as well?


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 10 Jan 07 - 09:52 PM

Specific detail of that sort is often accurate; though all references on the web, so far as I can see, were copied from the copy of Andy M Stewart's comment quoted earlier in this thread (apart from the sleevenotes on a cd made by an American player of the Celtic harp, which were probably copied directly from Stewart's songbook); so there is no corroborating information available. As I've said, I haven't seen vol III of Songs of the North (the first two are easy to find, but the third is not) so I can't say what details, if any, were provided.

Most of the tunes in Songs of the North were from traditional or older print sources; only a very few, I think, were modern compositions. The term "collected" is probably an anachronistic modern gloss of Stewart's, though; I doubt if Boulton or MacLeod would have used it.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Freso
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 05:57 AM

Malcolm, I'm so glad you mentioned MacLeod! You see, I'm currently trying to figure out what one McLeod has to with the song.

The Cottars have a version of Loch Tay Boat Song on their release "On Fire!", however, it is apparently attributed to "H. Boulton-R. McLeod", and I believe this thread has so far given me background info detailing Boulton's involvement with the song, but... what is R. McLeod's role in this?


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,machree01
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 07:34 AM

I have a LP called The Best of Brendan O'Dowda and he's singing Loch Tay Boat Song.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: leeneia
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 10:49 AM

what kind of hair is "lint-white," exactly?


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: leeneia
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 11:07 AM

Me again.

Recently i read a book called "Last of the Donkey Pilgrims." It was the true tale of a Vietnam vet who travelled around Ireland with a donkey and cart in the 1970's. A good book.

One thing that surprised me was (and prob still is) the real enmity that people in Ireland feel toward those with red hair. The woman in the Loch Tay Boat Song has red hair, and that implies a lot about her that Americans would probably never think of. She's probably assumed to be oversexed and devious.

My grandmother (born in 1888) had red hair. I remember her telling me how the kids in Evansville, Indiana taunted her about it, and how ashamed she was. Then one day a woman she had never seen before stopped her in the street and told her how beautiful her hair was and how lucky she was to have something that made her stand out from the ordinary. After that, she was happy about having red hair.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: ard mhacha
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 04:50 PM

In the early 1950s this song was one of the most requested on Radio Eireann and the singer was Brendan O`Dowda.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 06:15 PM

Freso:

The 'R McLeod' referred by 'The Cottars' is presumably a mistake for A C (Annie Campbell) MacLeod, Harold Boulton's co-editor on Songs of the North. It was she who adapted a traditional melody (basically, she wrote the second strain) - whether heard in Skye, in the most common anecdote, or noted from a singer in Moidart as Andy M Stewart is quoted earlier in this old thread as having stated - into the tune to which Boulton set his 'Skye Boat Song'. She married the diplomat Sir James Wilson in 1888, and spent some 20 years with him in India.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,Henrik W.
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 01:53 PM

One of the best renditions of Loch Tay Boat Song I have ever heard is found on Davy Steele's "Chasing Shadows" album - absolutely magic.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,DonMeixner
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 03:09 PM

Lint white is the color of Tow. Which is what is left over from stripping flax fibers out to make linen.

Don Meixner


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: mg
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 09:18 PM

I think definitive version was sung by Trapper Graves on the latest Broadside CD..I first heard it at a folklife concert and was wowed by it..partly because I have usually heard her do songs more of a humerous nature...mg


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: leeneia
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 08:34 AM

Thanks, Don, for the explanation of lint-white. There's a family in my neighborhood (the Murphys)whose children often have hair that color.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,machree01
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 08:44 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2MNY2i0po


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: BobKnight
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 12:27 PM

"The Northern Lights of Old Aberdeen" was indeed written by an English lady. Her name was Margaret Mitchell, if I remember correctly.


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Jun 09 - 07:24 PM

Here's a link to more about Sir Harold Boulton:
http://members.cox.net/ggtext/haroldedwinboulton1859_obit.html


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Sep 10 - 04:08 PM

Written by Harold Boulton, an Engishman!!


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Subject: RE: Need Loch Tay Boat Song info
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 30 Aug 11 - 03:43 AM

From volume III of Songs of the North (Cramer, 1926) and also issued as a separate song, copyrighted MCMXXVI. JBC&Co 13248. 4pp

Song has:

Loch Tay Boat Song. / (A ROWING MEASURE) / (IORRAM LOCH TATHA)
Words by Harold Boulton.
Variant of Old Air / Taken down by Col. Arthur Cameron about 1870 and contributed by Mrs. Cameron Head of Inverailort. / Adapted and arranged by / ROBERT MACLEOD.

In rowing time - with steady swing

1
When I've done the work of day
And I row my boat away
Down the waters of Loch Tay
As the evening light is falling
Then I look upon Ben Lawers
Where the after glories glow
And I dream of two bright eyes
With a merry mouth below
Horo, Horo, Heigh-ho,
She's my beauteous Nighean ruadh (Red-haired maid)
She's my joy and sorrow too
For I doubt she is not true
But I cannot live without her
For my heart's a boat in tow
And I'll give the world to know
If she means to let me go
As I sing heigh ho! Horo!
Horo! Horo! Heigh-ho!

2
Nighean rudh (Red-haired maid), your lovely hair
Has more glamour I declare
Than all the tresses rare
From Killin to Aberfeldy
Be the lint-white gold or brown
Be they blacker than the sloe
They are no more worth to me
Than a melting flake of snow
Horo .....
Oh! Your dance is like the gleam
Of the sunlight on the stream
Like the fairies' songs they seem
The songs you sing at milking
But my heart is full of woe
For last night you bade me go
And my tears begin to flow
As I sing heigh-ho! Horo
Horo ....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV2MNY2i0po


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Subject: RE: Origin: Loch Tay Boat Song
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Oct 14 - 07:38 PM

I was thinking it could be named about the Boatman of Loch Tay


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